@@MikeWazowski-dw4ju unfortunately you also don't understand that its not always a bad thing to just simply buff or nerf something without a draw back. I just wish they have an explanation on why the prices went high on many things
i swear I don’t understand half of the complaints of the balance changes people make tower heroes players when a price is slightly increased (it obviously means the tower is horrible and bad now) however they did kill byte and I don’t understand what he did
bud, its not them ruining the towers at all, its them making the game feel more like you aint got mana for ANYTHING all the sudden. It isnt flat out horrific, but still, you kinda wanna ask ehy they wanted to make everything a tad bit more expensive
That's why I prefer that they not make balance changes and rather put new Towers, there are so many things wrong with balance changes - Keith bunny fracture and wafer according to them are "Buffs" but in reality they are nerfs keith instead of changing their mechanics which is honestly garbage and instead of btd base of ninja monkey they prefer to "improve" I say that because their DPS is much worse - bunny the only thing I can say is that you look at the scale of his damage and dps skill so you can get the idea of why it is now twice as bad - wafer I think we all know what his main problem is but the only thing I have to say is I hate luck - fracture instead of making a scientific variant he prefers to make a damn and useless joke. The only real buffs are beebo, beetrice hayes, soda and Sparks, those are buffs mainly for soda because of its stupid cost (and I also think they increased its level 4 range) now with the nerfs or better to say make the maps even more difficult. more stupid and unnecessary ways - scientific branch dog specter and literal ballon pal is only unnecessary because it practically doesn't change anything (and there is no volt nerf when it came out it didn't have that mini ability ok) - lure that tower is between Scientific and Branch but for mainly for both because Scientific is good for bosses but a problem for enemies and branch is good for many enemies but a problem for bosses and lure were both was good for bosses and for his skill was good for enemies (I know this because I have played a lot with lure and honestly it is almost at the same level of usefulness as scientific and branch) but instead of improving its ability because it is honestly useless after the Waves are over they decide to give it such an unnecessary nerf that now it's bad even though almost no one plays with lure and with that nerf now much less anyone will want to play it and those who rarely played it now no longer play it including me :( - frank and quinn many think that their nerfs were justified but what they don't realize is that now quinn is trash and frank now you have to worry about damage mainly when the game starts - byte I honestly don't know why they nerf byte if this is practically mandatory because if you don't have it it is a guaranteed defeat -Stella. If the nerfs were unnecessary and it makes no sense, Stella is practically the best example that they do not know how to make balance changes, now it is literally useless or better to say you are no longer going to complete any map in solo and hard (obviously some exceptions) and also destiny dawm and black barrels are now almost impossible to complete because she took an important role Just imagine you have 20 drawings and to repaint all of them you need 2,000 mana 100 to repaint now with the nerf it will most likely be half or a little double because the drawings use up mana quickly and the most logical thing is that it should not be a strong nerf because it's going to make it useless, well THEY INCREASED IT BY THREE THAT MEANS THAT NOW TO REPAINT FOR 20 DRAWINGS YOU NEED 6,000 MANA AND THOSE SPEND QUICKLY THAT MEANS THAT NOW YOU MUST SPEND TRIPLE WHICH IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PAY BECAUSE OF HOW LIMITED IT IS MANNA. The collaboration is fine but what happened to the BWS classic event update on the balance trucks was that it totally ruined the update and this is exactly what is happening. A great collaboration but everything is ruined because the changes are so bad that it only causes that people don't want to play until the changes break (that's what happened with TDS and the engineers, just look to see what I mean and the reason why that period drastically reduced the players) I honestly hope that hiioh realizes the tremendous stupidity that you did and know how to solve it because these changes are so bad that it will affect soon (if there is some text error it is because I am using a translator because I am Spanish :p)
that sucks tbh bc his whole gimmick is being both :\ I wish the devs took that into realization and tried to make him much more viable on maps where he can use melee much more
See, heres the annoying thing: Most of these aren't buffs, they're reworks. Out of the 9 "buffs", only 4 of them came without another change (specifically Beetrice, Hayes, Soda Pop, and Sparks). The other 5 "buffs" came with a nerf, meaning that they're not a buff but a rework. The one that annoys me most is Fracture. I did the math: Fracture got hit with a 1500 extra cost to go from placement to max, and the DPS at level 5 went from 78.26 to 75 (and the DPS of a group of 7 went from 547.82 to 525) in exchange for a slightly smaller footprint
I was kinda concerned seeing all the nerfs and felt like I might have to change some trio setups but so far I haven’t had to change any trio setups and the strategies work basically the same still. That aside Quinn deserved a level 1 nerf
Some of these nerfs were kinda unnecessary. Because the heroes like sci and branch, despite being nerfed. Still remain as some of the best towers out there. Now I'm glad my boy soda pop got a pretty good buff. (Yes I use him as you can tell.) But the balances this update genuinely doesn't make any sense to me
@@dominiquecooper8787Its js that most of those towers have limited skins (like stella having a spider skin during halloween which is no longer available rn)
This idea of nerfing supports is horrible, discounting Dog's case of not being able to increase the summoner limit is understandable, after all it left Hayes and Beetrice broken, but it doesn't make sense for them to nerf other supports without a necessary reason
1 It's no wonder scientist remains great 2 Stella lives on 3 OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED BYTE! 4 Keith has always been the main antagonist of tower heroes in my opinion so maybe instead of nerfing him, he becomes a boss(but you don't unlock him as the tower) 5 I got nothing to say about the other towers.
I was kinda concerned seeing all the nerfs and felt like I might have to change some trio setups but so far I haven’t had to change any trio setups and the strategies work basically the same still
We all agree, Stella does need a nerf, right? Well, MAKING THE COST FOR A DRAWING 600 IS STUPID. A DRAWING OFTEN GETS 400 MANA BY THE TIME YOU NEED TO REPAINT IT. FUCK THIS UPDATE. And I can’t believe how dumb (honestly) Duck Adam was to say STELLA HAS BARELY CHANGED!!!!
@@deadgetout5477 Yeah check any drawings hp go from 20 to 3 and you’ll see what I mean. Also, this just shows how many people just don’t use Stella despite her being overpowered, or before the nerf anyway.
@@SingingInSCR i mean even if you need 400 or less it doesnt really matter, stella is solely mid-late game and you should hopefully have a good early game defender and cats up before you use her which is why she synergizes so well with frank
They need to buff Keith and Nuki he’s one of the worst tower heroes and thanks to all the nerfs destinys Dawn is nearly impossible and the catacombs is now the hardest stage in the game I also think volt needs a slight buff because of how hard he is to get for something thats not even B tier
They gotta stop nerfing stuff, all its doing is making the game even more difficult. How are you even supposed to do bleak anymore when 500 mana is the difference between life and death
I honestly find myself to not like the game even close to how much I used to because of these nerfs. Also the stella nerf is terrible I tried to solo oddport academy hard mode with stella lemonade bp spec and hotdog and i literally couldn't get above 20 drawings bc i kept losing mana and couldn't redraw all of them.
To be honest, the best era to play Tower Heroes was when the Spectre gave all the statistics, the chef used knives and etc... when Balloon Pal and Discount Dog launched the game it was never the same...
They should nerf jester slot when discount ability is been activated, i managed to get 3 jesters on make a cake on hard mode. Only with me & 2 other people.
I mean you have to have strong units and bad units its just that the devs are nerfing the strong heroes and reworking the bad units AND THE BAD HEROES ARE STILL BAD
Man they sent fracture to the useless realm because he used to be my early game dude but now the cost just killed him Keith I never really used because there’s better group options Scientist is kinda rough but discount exists I don’t even have branch but dang Quinn I rarely used but that sucks Frank another dude used less Byte is now almost useless but can still help CAN THEY LEAVE MAH BOI KART ALONE HES BEEN NERFED SO HARD like they already lowered his HP and his Invincibility already lost its infinite duration The buffers didint Get hit that bad Yasuke is still good so I don’t care Volt I don’t have either That’s it
why did they NERF KEITH
BUFF HIM
can’t keep defending my glorious king keith if this goes on…
actually he got buffed, he went from like C/D tier to A tier!
@@DelusionalDetectiveHIIIII
Yea buff Keith
I must agree on buffing keith
The devs don’t know how to balance. When they buff a tower it also gets a nerf
Real
That's called a rework but i'm shocked there's way too many of them
Because there may be something that needs to be nerfed about a tower and something else that needs to be buffed, thankfully you aren't a dev
certified tower heroes classic
@@MikeWazowski-dw4ju unfortunately you also don't understand that its not always a bad thing to just simply buff or nerf something without a draw back. I just wish they have an explanation on why the prices went high on many things
They never needed to change fracture, his footprint also barely changed 🗿
The devs be like:
“We need to change some units stats…”
“But we don’t really wanna change the meta”
The great depression update.
Yuh uh
Yeah tbh Quinn has fell off hard
@@EnVerityy so real
quinn was good as is ._.
Update of the 30's
THEY NERFED BYTE. WHAT DID THEY DO MY BOI 😭
Ikr 😢
First they took away his damage then made him bad bow he's worse
Again
Byte wants to unplug himself, but he already is unplugged...
They’ve already nerfed him once why do we need another nerf😭
Gotta love Duck Adam flexing his exclusive Slime skin
i swear I don’t understand half of the complaints of the balance changes people make
tower heroes players when a price is slightly increased (it obviously means the tower is horrible and bad now)
however they did kill byte and I don’t understand what he did
Byte will only get killed once his boss stunning is removed or he stuns enemies for a shorter time.
Dude balloon pal went through hell
@@random_homeless_dude TOO REAL I ALMOST THREW MY PHONE BC OF THE BALLOON PAL MANA UPGRADE INCREASE
bud, its not them ruining the towers at all, its them making the game feel more like you aint got mana for ANYTHING all the sudden. It isnt flat out horrific, but still, you kinda wanna ask ehy they wanted to make everything a tad bit more expensive
I complain about the stupid reworks, secretly just nerfing the towers instead of improving their strenghts.
That's why I prefer that they not make balance changes and rather put new Towers, there are so many things wrong with balance changes
- Keith bunny fracture and wafer according to them are "Buffs" but in reality they are nerfs keith instead of changing their mechanics which is honestly garbage and instead of btd base of ninja monkey they prefer to "improve" I say that because their DPS is much worse
- bunny the only thing I can say is that you look at the scale of his damage and dps skill so you can get the idea of why it is now twice as bad
- wafer I think we all know what his main problem is but the only thing I have to say is I hate luck
- fracture instead of making a scientific variant he prefers to make a damn and useless joke.
The only real buffs are beebo, beetrice hayes, soda and Sparks, those are buffs mainly for soda because of its stupid cost (and I also think they increased its level 4 range) now with the nerfs or better to say make the maps even more difficult. more stupid and unnecessary ways
- scientific branch dog specter and literal ballon pal is only unnecessary because it practically doesn't change anything (and there is no volt nerf when it came out it didn't have that mini ability ok)
- lure that tower is between Scientific and Branch but for mainly for both because Scientific is good for bosses but a problem for enemies and branch is good for many enemies but a problem for bosses and lure were both was good for bosses and for his skill was good for enemies (I know this because I have played a lot with lure and honestly it is almost at the same level of usefulness as scientific and branch) but instead of improving its ability because it is honestly useless after the Waves are over they decide to give it such an unnecessary nerf that now it's bad even though almost no one plays with lure and with that nerf now much less anyone will want to play it and those who rarely played it now no longer play it including me :(
- frank and quinn many think that their nerfs were justified but what they don't realize is that now quinn is trash and frank now you have to worry about damage mainly when the game starts
- byte I honestly don't know why they nerf byte if this is practically mandatory because if you don't have it it is a guaranteed defeat
-Stella. If the nerfs were unnecessary and it makes no sense, Stella is practically the best example that they do not know how to make balance changes, now it is literally useless or better to say you are no longer going to complete any map in solo and hard (obviously some exceptions) and also destiny dawm and black barrels are now almost impossible to complete because she took an important role Just imagine you have 20 drawings and to repaint all of them you need 2,000 mana 100 to repaint now with the nerf it will most likely be half or a little double because the drawings use up mana quickly and the most logical thing is that it should not be a strong nerf because it's going to make it useless, well THEY INCREASED IT BY THREE THAT MEANS THAT NOW TO REPAINT FOR 20 DRAWINGS YOU NEED 6,000 MANA AND THOSE SPEND QUICKLY THAT MEANS THAT NOW YOU MUST SPEND TRIPLE WHICH IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PAY BECAUSE OF HOW LIMITED IT IS MANNA.
The collaboration is fine but what happened to the BWS classic event update on the balance trucks was that it totally ruined the update and this is exactly what is happening. A great collaboration but everything is ruined because the changes are so bad that it only causes that people don't want to play until the changes break (that's what happened with TDS and the engineers, just look to see what I mean and the reason why that period drastically reduced the players) I honestly hope that hiioh realizes the tremendous stupidity that you did and know how to solve it because these changes are so bad that it will affect soon (if there is some text error it is because I am using a translator because I am Spanish :p)
I don't think they could call it buffs their more like rebalance
bro ain’t nobody reading allat lmao
i actually had a stroke and lost brain cells reading this comment
If I'm not wrong spook did all the nerfs but the bee one cause I remember in the discord server they said that they did all the buffs and nerfs
@@unknownfunkyman youtube short user whn they have to read a essay more than 5 words:
the wafer spa buff kind of makes him a range only unit
if you rely on range attacks then it's a lot better
that sucks tbh bc his whole gimmick is being both :\ I wish the devs took that into realization and tried to make him much more viable on maps where he can use melee much more
See, heres the annoying thing: Most of these aren't buffs, they're reworks. Out of the 9 "buffs", only 4 of them came without another change (specifically Beetrice, Hayes, Soda Pop, and Sparks). The other 5 "buffs" came with a nerf, meaning that they're not a buff but a rework. The one that annoys me most is Fracture. I did the math: Fracture got hit with a 1500 extra cost to go from placement to max, and the DPS at level 5 went from 78.26 to 75 (and the DPS of a group of 7 went from 547.82 to 525) in exchange for a slightly smaller footprint
I was kinda concerned seeing all the nerfs and felt like I might have to change some trio setups but so far I haven’t had to change any trio setups and the strategies work basically the same still. That aside Quinn deserved a level 1 nerf
I saw you in a lobby yesterday and I was so ecstatic. It was great to meet you even though you left 30 seconds after😊
Some of these nerfs were kinda unnecessary. Because the heroes like sci and branch, despite being nerfed. Still remain as some of the best towers out there. Now I'm glad my boy soda pop got a pretty good buff. (Yes I use him as you can tell.) But the balances this update genuinely doesn't make any sense to me
WE LLOOOVE YOU DUCK ADAM!!!
I forgive you get on fortnite😊
tbh the towers were well ballanced before now it feels quite... odd
I find it interesting that Duck Adam uses the same beebo, Soda pop, Branch, D.D, Stella, Yasuke, and bunny skin as me
it’s probably because those are the towers with barely any skins
Of course he’s using the same branch skin as you, cake monster is a brand new skin
@@dominiquecooper8787Its js that most of those towers have limited skins (like stella having a spider skin during halloween which is no longer available rn)
@@K41T0_PLUSH good thing I have the spider stella skin though lol. 😏
@@attilaferenccseke5308 so do I-
This idea of nerfing supports is horrible, discounting Dog's case of not being able to increase the summoner limit is understandable, after all it left Hayes and Beetrice broken, but it doesn't make sense for them to nerf other supports without a necessary reason
even with the nerf they are needed+ they will still be S+ tier
some of these heroes changes are scary
bro nerfing lure my favorite tower made me super mad
1
It's no wonder scientist remains great
2
Stella lives on
3
OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED BYTE!
4
Keith has always been the main antagonist of tower heroes in my opinion so maybe instead of nerfing him, he becomes a boss(but you don't unlock him as the tower)
5
I got nothing to say about the other towers.
Byte was killed but his dead corpse got stabbed again by the devs
I was kinda concerned seeing all the nerfs and felt like I might have to change some trio setups but so far I haven’t had to change any trio setups and the strategies work basically the same still
We all agree, Stella does need a nerf, right? Well, MAKING THE COST FOR A DRAWING 600 IS STUPID. A DRAWING OFTEN GETS 400 MANA BY THE TIME YOU NEED TO REPAINT IT. FUCK THIS UPDATE.
And I can’t believe how dumb (honestly) Duck Adam was to say STELLA HAS BARELY CHANGED!!!!
it doesnt even go up to 600 what are you talking abt. also duck adam is right, the nerf didnt even do that much to her, js dont rely on hero data
@@deadgetout5477 Yeah check any drawings hp go from 20 to 3 and you’ll see what I mean. Also, this just shows how many people just don’t use Stella despite her being overpowered, or before the nerf anyway.
@@SingingInSCR i mean even if you need 400 or less it doesnt really matter, stella is solely mid-late game and you should hopefully have a good early game defender and cats up before you use her which is why she synergizes so well with frank
@@deadgetout5477yeah but maps like Library hard or destiny dawn duo are not possible coz u need Stella out early game :/
@@SingingInSCR ill check it out later and see if those are possible 🙏
Bro these devs just did some of the worse balancing ive ever seen
Personally I think Stella should've received a more harsh nerf
what is that sprectre and bea skin and how do I get it??
Given from admins
@@Astrosnumberonefan2763admins exact location please? (Joke)
Dev skin me and cyberhaptic have
@@duck_adam W dev gives W youtuber W skin. WWW very W
Where do even get these random videos???😭
REAL LIKE THEY’RE SO OUT OF POCKET
Idk my friends just send me junk
bruh they had no reason to nerf quinn
Does duck adam know that oddport got a buff?
If he didn't knew then the buff that oddport got was more dmg, making oddport more useful
genuanlly for fracture they need to buff his damage and lower the firerate and make it slightly less cheaper
0:08 I forgot what sml movie that’s called but its funny
Codys report card
They need to buff Keith and Nuki he’s one of the worst tower heroes and thanks to all the nerfs destinys Dawn is nearly impossible and the catacombs is now the hardest stage in the game I also think volt needs a slight buff because of how hard he is to get for something thats not even B tier
Litterally, when they buff a tower they also nerf it and it keeps the same
dang the first time this guy is remotely serious and not putting a cringe personality on
Yeah I'm an actual person
What did Wendell Wayne do to you :(
Long story
@@duck_adamgive me the tea😈
@@duck_adamduck adam tower when?
duck adam literally became walter white falling gif when he realized keith is worse
They nerfed 70% of the hero population
THEY NERFED KART BOY? IQKMAJWKSNALXKS
Cries in kartkid*
I wish fracture was better. ☹️
Why does this remind me of the overhall update in TDS
“For the balancing part”
They gotta stop nerfing stuff, all its doing is making the game even more difficult. How are you even supposed to do bleak anymore when 500 mana is the difference between life and death
0:08 towers when they were good but sadly nerfed
Sparks use to cost the same mana as lure but 100 cheaper
So instead of buffing underperforming towers the good ones got nerfed (justice for my girl quinn)
I honestly find myself to not like the game even close to how much I used to because of these nerfs. Also the stella nerf is terrible I tried to solo oddport academy hard mode with stella lemonade bp spec and hotdog and i literally couldn't get above 20 drawings bc i kept losing mana and couldn't redraw all of them.
Stella literally deserved a nerf, she was way too op
To be honest, the best era to play Tower Heroes was when the Spectre gave all the statistics, the chef used knives and etc... when Balloon Pal and Discount Dog launched the game it was never the same...
They should nerf jester slot when discount ability is been activated, i managed to get 3 jesters on make a cake on hard mode. Only with me & 2 other people.
nah jester is completely fine
We must remember byte the fallen
what is the skin he used on volt can u still get it?
Lure no matter what you do is a cat so people will use him and by people I mean me
Me too!
I got a question, Mr adam.
What is that follower of yours called.
It's called Mr Sam and you need to get the make a cake badges I think
Damn
@@XxXCorruptedxXyup
Yasuke still meta kinda💀
I haven't seen him in a hot while, bro is not meta.
Duck Adam how did you get that Beatrice skin I never seen that skin I want to know
@Dinoman8000 thank you
I want that silly purple skin so much
Finally some beetrice buff??
my boy byte keeps getting nerfed 😭😭😭 he used to be great and then he was okay (only really usable for solo strats/ hard maps) and now he's worse
When will bee get a revamp. But love u duck🐥
So the only towers that actually got buffed were Beatrice, Hayes, Soda, and Sparks
I mean
you have to have strong units and bad units
its just that the devs are nerfing the strong heroes and reworking the bad units
AND THE BAD HEROES ARE STILL BAD
Commet on this commet who do you think is gona get a tower hero skin: duck adam, calixo, kreekcraft,demon, and lanky box
I think that duck Adam and kreek are the most likely, but if they give lankybox a skin I’m gonna be pissed
@@rob3rtbigtoegaming431 what about aphmau?
Probobly none, no youtuber skins but maybe I'll get a follower someday!!1!1!1!
Ok but just asking maybe tower defense simulater will
@@Superastroid I really hope you’re joking lil bro
they always nerf byte istg, hiloh has beef with him.
"Beebos same as always, not good" bro has never watchee berkay
BYTE STOP GETTING NERFED
That was epic
Stella repaint kinda killed the tower this update
I tried a solo run and it costed 10k to repaint 27 drawings
What Skin is this? I MUST KNOW!!
Duck Adam pls help me get the cake monster skin for Branch pls
i thought bees always locked onto enemies
Fish
I still didnt see any difference on it besides the faster bees
Never let them cook again
What skin is that (the pink one with the silly face)
Slime.
Unobtainable.
I can ask something? How do You get that pink skin?
yeah thats werid
That a slime skin lads.
Obtainable only from devs
how do you get the volt skin?
Its real!!!!
TDS NOW HAS BEST BALANCING OUT OF POPULAR TD GAMES
The ruined byte tbh
Man they sent fracture to the useless realm because he used to be my early game dude but now the cost just killed him
Keith I never really used because there’s better group options
Scientist is kinda rough but discount exists
I don’t even have branch but dang
Quinn I rarely used but that sucks
Frank another dude used less
Byte is now almost useless but can still help
CAN THEY LEAVE MAH BOI KART ALONE HES BEEN NERFED SO HARD like they already lowered his HP and his Invincibility already lost its infinite duration
The buffers didint Get hit that bad
Yasuke is still good so I don’t care
Volt I don’t have either
That’s it
STOP NERFING ALREADY BAD TOWERS!
This has to be the WORST balancing update ever, even chef wasn’t as bad as this
tbh beetrice is kinda op now with supports!
Could be I just don't feel like playing with Beatrice
@@duck_adam idk but beetrice isnt that op.
how to get that smily face pink skin?
the ability nerfs bunny
They probably killed byte.
you forgot that spec ability has a slower cooldown
Didn't say that anywhere
@@duck_adam wowowowowowo THE DUCK HAS REPLIED!1!!!
12.6k people hate Keith lol
Bro is starting to become berkhay56
The nerfs is bad
you guys like know that low taper fade me its still like MASSIVE like MASSIVE im seeing new ones i havent seen before
How to get slime skin btw
How does he have the slime skin ( isnt it an admin skin?)
Devs give the skin to him
freakbob said these changes were unnecessary
Not my homie keith bruh
What’s that follower?
Gl soloing anything now wendall Stella is dead in the water
Who let them cook👽
How do you get the robot follower you got
500 mana in make a cake
duck adam you can use cake on anything lol
i used it on every tower LOL
7:36 music?
icebrain invasion
i may just unsubscribe for that keith comment 😢😢😢😢😢
you said spectre correctly this time :)
3 years of being gatekept from the TH community has lead to this
I always pronounced it as spect-tree
How do you get Beatrice skin
Devs can give it to you. It's slime, global skin
@@SandEaterIdkty
Why lure evil???
they didnt to anything to mitake.....
whats the skin hes using for beetrice
Slime. Can be given by devs