I own a Motorcycle shop in Chattanooga Tennessee, and The freedom 100 , and 106 cubic inche motors, are some of the best motors I've ever delt with. Even though Victory has closed down, I still buy ,sale, and work on Victory Motorcycles. I sale every type of bike that there is, but I ride a Victory Vision or Kingpin for the most part, but I do have a few Yamah Warriors, and Road Stars, and Suzuki intruder 109s in my personal collection.
Victory is the way to go. I sold my 06 Vegas 8 ball and just picket up a pre owned 2014 highball. For anyone considering between a Vic and a HD if you want status and bragging rights go HD if you want performance reliability modern technology and all around bassass cruiser victory is the only way to go
This nearly maint. free motor means that harley is not the big boy anymore. and victory is american made. I can't believe Polaris shut this engine technology down, This motor could and should be in their Indian motorcycles.
Pollution controls, both here in North America and in Europe, are killing all air cooled vehicle engines. The ever increasing standards require more precise temperature maintenance than can be achieved by the fuel system alone. Additionally, the air-fuel ratios which produce the least amount of pollutants also run hotter than what is ideal for air cooled engines, which in turn increases wear and reduces reliability. It's the same reason why VW abandoned it's air cooled engines in vehicles that were being sold in markets with stringent pollution standards, but continued selling them in third world countries that didn't have such requirements. Eventually all motorcycle manufacturers, including Harley Davidson will be producing liquid cooled engines exclusively.
The fuel mileage is a bit optimistic. I've had 2 Victory motorcycles. They will get 50+ mpg on the highway, but if you're running the interstate 70-plus mph, it will drop around mid forties. I rode my 2008 Vision 7000 miles in 2 weeks to the west coast and back. I averaged about 48 mpg. I now ride an Indian Chieftain.
I like the modularity of the H-D Big Twin engine. You can use a thicker oil in the gearbox for better protection like the Red Line Heavy ShockProof. That oil is not suitable for the engine or primary. If let’s say the gearbox fails, you will not get metal parts in the engine. More expensive to build a modular engine but also many benefits.
Number of units sold obviously has nothing to do with quality of design and reliability. I do agree with you that as far as sales goes, Victory is no real competition for Harley. That's what a century of history gets you. In regards to your comment about resale; who buys a motorcycle for an investment? Unless you are a collector, of course. I buy my motorcycles to ride them. Not to ride 3 miles up to the nearest bar, hang out, drink beers, and listen to my exhaust.
Well that was Victory's first run of bikes ( I have a 99) and with all the updates runs and shifts like a dream. get all the updates and take it to a shop that knows the older units and they can dieal it in. I ride mine without concern.
It is fantastic the police are considering these bikes. I realize Harley guys are pissed about the bad press, but you have to admit, Harley is doing all of you the wrong way by not improving their products. Then steps in Polaris and completely changes the game. Now you don't have to modify an engine to get better performance. Victory and Indian are in the game, and Harley rider are stepping over to the dark side one by one.
That's interesting to know. Every manufacturer has the occasional lemon. And for one reason or another not all product lines by the same manufacturer are equally reliable. I'm looking to get a Victory, but I'll be doing plenty of research before hand.
I loved my Victory. Never leaked and the foot controls hold up. My 17 48 sportster needs new foot controls already because their so cheap. Victory marketing sucks. Sad. What a shame they went out of business.
***** I don't believe for a second that this Vision you speak of dragged the boards like you say compared to this Harley you speak of. If the Vision had been lowered maybe or it could be the guy riding didn't have the skills to lean with the bike. I would bet if you looked up the specs for these two stock bikes the Vision would have more lean angle clearance. I followed a Fatboy through curves one day in the Black Hills and I was held up behind him because his boards were dragging at their limits. As far as the brakes getting air in the system, yes the early Visions (2009-10) did have some issue with that on the rear brakes but Harley just issued a massive recall for 2014/2015!!!! touring models for the same issue with the master cylinders on them so good luck with your Harley. I'll keep my Victory Cross Country!
So there's something wrong with bike made by a snow mobile company but a bike made by a fashion company is ok? Just giving you a hard time by the way, really dig the new rushmore harley's even though I ride a Vic.
Exactly! They're OK If you just want to ride to the store, but dammit, Victory will bowser a hog on a dragstrip! And boy, that thing Mike Schultz said about his NASCAR days where he took a watered-down air cleaner out of a freezer, that sounds like a cheap, viable alternative to nitrous oxide. Holy buckets! 12 extra horsepower from just that? To give you a perspective, that's how much the Wright Brothers used on their 1903 flights at Kittyhawk.
@shrededwheat Could be due to the fact that Harley has had over 100 years to build it's customer base, and Victory has only been around for about 10 years. Harley is and has been the standard for cruisers for a long time. I almost feel bad that Harley is getting it's a** kicked so bad when it comes to the design and engineering of these machines. Hopefully Victory's competition will push Harley to move into the 21st century.
I think what they mean is that they don't replace entire engines like HD does. It is a fact that some HD dealers have whole motors. They also have their 'long block' engine program. Don't get me wrong I love Harley bikes, and they are more reliable than before but they are not anywhere close to a Vic or an Indian. I've never actually heard of a blown up Victory.
If you enjoy being kicked in the nuts while bending over for "customer service" and like to be robbed in the process, go Harley all day. If not, go somewhere else.
A lot of these things are true, a little exaggerated coming from a sales man, but over all is true that victory has very good technology in their engines. The problem here (and this is just my opinion) is that victory still don't get the styling of their bikes. Some of them are outright ugly. Especially in the USA, motorcycles are a recreational vehicle for most cases, so looks will be high in the priority list. That is where HD comes in.
and to get that kind of h.p you have to have a off set crank pin , and never getting that Harley idle, I know I sold my last harley for a 1700 cc warrior star , and I love the bike but I run baffle's because I cant get used to the idle, the Vulcan 1500 and the Hondas have a nice idle, but a lot of these new bike's don't , not even the new Harley , my buddy hates his 2010 glide
He forgot the mention when something breaks in the transmission. They take an old transmission leftover that they don't make any more. Put it in a new bike as a fix. Because they can't afford keep extra parts. Don't forget to tell them about the intake problems, fuel pump problems, the clutch problems and computer problems. If you need a part, for get it! You have to wait months for it. there's people that have claimed too missed the whole riding season waiting for part.
What does that have to do with anything? Harley has been around for over a century and has a major advertising campaign going pretty much constantly. If HD had to depend upon quality to stay in business, they would have been out of business decades ago as they couldn't compete with the foreign brands. Some of us, just care about the ride and don't care about the particular badge that the bike wears.
HD went bad twice I know of and were saved by subsidies and protection. They should have been buried in the seventies.They made great bikes pre ww2, after that absolute junk caz no competition.
Informative video on the inner workings of the Victory engine - terrible salesmanship. Repeatedly mentioning your competitors brand and how superior you are is the worst form of customer diplomacy. If you can't sell on your strengths alone, without mentioning your competitors weaknesses, then you shouldn't be selling, or your product isn't all you claim. I have both, a Vision and a Road King. If he tried to sell me, I'd be a little offended by the Harley comments as if he was convincing me what a poor choice I'm made with my life.
I agree with you. However, I have noticed over and over that real salespeople work the front of the house and guys like this are kept in the back of the house: repairing engines, fixing computer systems, writing software, tuning the HVAC system, and so on. His communication skills reflect an engineering mindset. A few months as a commissioned salesman would either help him stop using the word "Harley" or he would be out of that job. But Victory is no more.
Hey mate.. You going to have to tell everyone about the oil capacity, 5 QUARTS is too much.. I have a hammer and added AMSOIL 15w-60 and wehn i dropped the filter and oil i put 4 x bottles in (QUARTS) and went to check.. It was on the mark FULL. I have the hammer on stand- bikes level, i ride 3 klm and come back and check.. The oil is on FULL. iI used 4 x AMSOIL quarts.. ARE U CHANGING ANYWHERE ELSE
Obviously designed by someone who loves the V-twin but is sick and tired of HD's old tech. I like some of the HD bikes but this guy is pointing out everything that is blatantly wrong with them. FFS Harley come into the 21st century already
I know if a few guys over 100k, no chain or tensioner issues. Keep in mind, cars have been running longer chains of the same style for 35 years and don’t have chain/tensioner issues. If the parts are quality, they don’t fail
When a guy publicly bad mouth another brand like this then I will never go for his product. Old baldy must remember that victory is waaaay overpriced and spares are far and few in between, even when they still built them. Oh yes, and how many times have victory gone belly up. Now Indians are branded victory. This guy compared one HD motor to victory, there are others like the EVO motor too. HD all day for me thanks, and I have a Kawa Vulcan.
"No worries, if this clutch blows it will be about $100+ more than a Harley clutch and that down draft throttle body that we just said Harley didn'/ have well I forgot to mention that Buells had them and so did the XR1200 but please watch as I shit on Harley to make this sound awesome and new". Then to straight up lie and say they never had to warranty a motor ever LOLOL
I know I sure as hell enjoy my $25.00 1125R oil filters at the HD dealer. That's comeraderie I don't need. No offense, but if you need a manufacturer badge to make friends, perhaps you should re-evaluate some things? I seriously doubt your badass Harley friends would dump you for buying a Victory. If they did, you don't need that kind of comeraderie anyhow. I used to hang out with Harley guys on my SV1000 suzuki, they can appreciate any badass V-Twin, even if they wouldn't ride it.
If those victory engines are so great, then why don't I ever see them out on the open road? All I ever see on long trips are Harleys , BMW's, and gold wings.
Popularity has nothing to do with quality. Just look at McDonalds, incredibly popular, but the food isn't good and probably never was. In the case of Victory, they've been around for 19 years. It took the current manufacturers a long time to get the kind of general awareness that they have. If the engines are as good as I hear and the reviewers suggest, I think it's only a matter of time before they get larger.
What a crock of shit: don't misunderstand me, I love my victory, but I've had two major engine failures in 2 and a half years from new and 30,000 kms. First, the transmission started making a noise and getting false neutrals, then totally disintegrated at 22,000 kms nearly killing me. After full rebuild, which I had to pay half of the cost, the big end bearing seized at 30,000 kms.Polaris don't want to know you! I strongly recommend staying away from any Polaris product. They have no customer service whatsoever.
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I own a Motorcycle shop in Chattanooga Tennessee, and The freedom 100 , and 106 cubic inche motors, are some of the best motors I've ever delt with.
Even though Victory has closed down, I still buy ,sale, and work on Victory Motorcycles. I sale every type of bike that there is, but I ride a Victory Vision or Kingpin for the most part, but I do have a few Yamah Warriors, and Road Stars, and Suzuki intruder 109s in my personal collection.
What's yours shops name? I live 30min away and needing some work done on my xct
I have a H-D CVO Road King 2014 and a 2016 Victory Hammer S. I love both bikes. In fact, I love all motorcycles. 👍🏼
Victory is the way to go. I sold my 06 Vegas 8 ball and just picket up a pre owned 2014 highball. For anyone considering between a Vic and a HD if you want status and bragging rights go HD if you want performance reliability modern technology and all around bassass cruiser victory is the only way to go
I own 2 victory motorcycles, love them.
This nearly maint. free motor means that harley is not the big boy anymore. and victory is american made. I can't believe Polaris shut this engine technology down, This motor could and should be in their Indian motorcycles.
Pollution controls, both here in North America and in Europe, are killing all air cooled vehicle engines. The ever increasing standards require more precise temperature maintenance than can be achieved by the fuel system alone. Additionally, the air-fuel ratios which produce the least amount of pollutants also run hotter than what is ideal for air cooled engines, which in turn increases wear and reduces reliability. It's the same reason why VW abandoned it's air cooled engines in vehicles that were being sold in markets with stringent pollution standards, but continued selling them in third world countries that didn't have such requirements. Eventually all motorcycle manufacturers, including Harley Davidson will be producing liquid cooled engines exclusively.
The fuel mileage is a bit optimistic. I've had 2 Victory motorcycles. They will get 50+ mpg on the highway, but if you're running the interstate 70-plus mph, it will drop around mid forties. I rode my 2008 Vision 7000 miles in 2 weeks to the west coast and back. I averaged about 48 mpg. I now ride an Indian Chieftain.
Sounds good to me. Upper 40s is pretty good. :-)
So sad they stopped making them😤😫
I like the modularity of the H-D Big Twin engine. You can use a thicker oil in the gearbox for better protection like the Red Line Heavy ShockProof. That oil is not suitable for the engine or primary. If let’s say the gearbox fails, you will not get metal parts in the engine. More expensive to build a modular engine but also many benefits.
Number of units sold obviously has nothing to do with quality of design and reliability. I do agree with you that as far as sales goes, Victory is no real competition for Harley. That's what a century of history gets you.
In regards to your comment about resale; who buys a motorcycle for an investment? Unless you are a collector, of course. I buy my motorcycles to ride them. Not to ride 3 miles up to the nearest bar, hang out, drink beers, and listen to my exhaust.
Well that was Victory's first run of bikes ( I have a 99) and with all the updates runs and shifts like a dream. get all the updates and take it to a shop that knows the older units and they can dieal it in. I ride mine without concern.
It is fantastic the police are considering these bikes. I realize Harley guys are pissed about the bad press, but you have to admit, Harley is doing all of you the wrong way by not improving their products. Then steps in Polaris and completely changes the game. Now you don't have to modify an engine to get better performance. Victory and Indian are in the game, and Harley rider are stepping over to the dark side one by one.
My Victory is currently getting the engine replaced under warranty. It has been nothing but problems.
That's interesting to know. Every manufacturer has the occasional lemon. And for one reason or another not all product lines by the same manufacturer are equally reliable.
I'm looking to get a Victory, but I'll be doing plenty of research before hand.
14 harley guys didnt like this video so far....
LOL, its up to 20, 1 yr later.
Impressive presentation, guys!!
When is HD going to join the 21st century??
HD is still hanging on to legacy technology like their chain drive primary. And in 2017 they just went to 4 valves per cylinder.
@@wooddawg4868They made a 8-valve race bike in the 1920s.
such a shame they killed off Victory - a much better American bike than HD in my humble opinion
I loved my Victory. Never leaked and the foot controls hold up. My 17 48 sportster needs new foot controls already because their so cheap. Victory marketing sucks. Sad. What a shame they went out of business.
My Street Glide Special, will rock that Polaris, everytime Curly.
+John May Not unless you have about 3 grand plus in mods or it is a screaming 'chicken' Street Glide. Dream on Koolaid drinker.
Enjoy your snow machine dipshit
enjoy your over fed, over used, old lady. We did. LOL
*****
I don't believe for a second that this Vision you speak of dragged the boards like you say compared to this Harley you speak of. If the Vision had been lowered maybe or it could be the guy riding didn't have the skills to lean with the bike. I would bet if you looked up the specs for these two stock bikes the Vision would have more lean angle clearance. I followed a Fatboy through curves one day in the Black Hills and I was held up behind him because his boards were dragging at their limits. As far as the brakes getting air in the system, yes the early Visions (2009-10) did have some issue with that on the rear brakes but Harley just issued a massive recall for 2014/2015!!!! touring models for the same issue with the master cylinders on them so good luck with your Harley. I'll keep my Victory Cross Country!
So there's something wrong with bike made by a snow mobile company but a bike made by a fashion company is ok? Just giving you a hard time by the way, really dig the new rushmore harley's even though I ride a Vic.
I will hunt one down and buy it, I don't care that it is not manufactured any longer someone should pick this up and run with it.
Exactly! They're OK If you just want to ride to the store, but dammit, Victory will bowser a hog on a dragstrip! And boy, that thing Mike Schultz said about his NASCAR days where he took a watered-down air cleaner out of a freezer, that sounds like a cheap, viable alternative to nitrous oxide. Holy buckets! 12 extra horsepower from just that? To give you a perspective, that's how much the Wright Brothers used on their 1903 flights at Kittyhawk.
Loving this engine. And up to 50+ miles per Gal.?
I seriously doubt it. Had 3 Vics and avg on all was about 42mpg. They say anything over 45 your running to lean.... and yes, I love my Victory.
@shrededwheat Could be due to the fact that Harley has had over 100 years to build it's customer base, and Victory has only been around for about 10 years. Harley is and has been the standard for cruisers for a long time. I almost feel bad that Harley is getting it's a** kicked so bad when it comes to the design and engineering of these machines. Hopefully Victory's competition will push Harley to move into the 21st century.
I am happy with my victory magnum and victory hammer
I'm sold
Hope victory comes back
Where can i get that skid plate he mentions? And will it fit my Hammer??
Thats some warranty, never ever have we warranted a motor. Ole Mike sure has a line of bullshit. LOL
I think what they mean is that they don't replace entire engines like HD does. It is a fact that some HD dealers have whole motors. They also have their 'long block' engine program. Don't get me wrong I love Harley bikes, and they are more reliable than before but they are not anywhere close to a Vic or an Indian. I've never actually heard of a blown up Victory.
Remember he is a salesman.
That's all very well and I have a V92SC...but who is STILL producing motorcycles?..It was never going to beat a Harley
Victory bikes were so awesome so superior over Harley that they went out of business..
If you enjoy being kicked in the nuts while bending over for "customer service" and like to be robbed in the process, go Harley all day.
If not, go somewhere else.
ZesPak ... H-D stands for $100
A lot of these things are true, a little exaggerated coming from a sales man, but over all is true that victory has very good technology in their engines. The problem here (and this is just my opinion) is that victory still don't get the styling of their bikes. Some of them are outright ugly. Especially in the USA, motorcycles are a recreational vehicle for most cases, so looks will be high in the priority list. That is where HD comes in.
I think they make the best looking cruisers. Dont know what your talking about
They have a transmission updaate kit which is pretty much from the 92CI 5 speed motor the 6 speed will not work in your bike.
and to get that kind of h.p you have to have a off set crank pin , and never getting that Harley idle, I know I sold my last harley for a 1700 cc warrior star , and I love the bike but I run baffle's because I cant get used to the idle, the Vulcan 1500 and the Hondas have a nice idle, but a lot of these new bike's don't , not even the new Harley , my buddy hates his 2010 glide
What's different about it? The new ones still have that lopey potato-potato, but maybe not as pronounced?
He forgot the mention when something breaks in the transmission. They take an old transmission leftover that they don't make any more. Put it in a new bike as a fix. Because they can't afford keep extra parts. Don't forget to tell them about the intake problems, fuel pump problems, the clutch problems and computer problems. If you need a part, for get it! You have to wait months for it. there's people that have claimed too missed the whole riding season waiting for part.
man i love harleys, but they need to change the way they do motercycles or they getting out of bussines in a few years
it is what it is VICTORY JUST A BETTER ENGINE.. i still like some harleys..
+kevin santos yea, and what is the market share of Polaris?
Nowhere close to HD of course. But Indian, Vic, and Slingshot sales are all up and at all time highs.
Still, none of them compare to the HD sales.
What does that have to do with anything? Harley has been around for over a century and has a major advertising campaign going pretty much constantly.
If HD had to depend upon quality to stay in business, they would have been out of business decades ago as they couldn't compete with the foreign brands.
Some of us, just care about the ride and don't care about the particular badge that the bike wears.
HD went bad twice I know of and were saved by subsidies and protection. They should have been buried in the seventies.They made great bikes pre ww2, after that absolute junk caz no competition.
Informative video on the inner workings of the Victory engine - terrible salesmanship. Repeatedly mentioning your competitors brand and how superior you are is the worst form of customer diplomacy. If you can't sell on your strengths alone, without mentioning your competitors weaknesses, then you shouldn't be selling, or your product isn't all you claim. I have both, a Vision and a Road King. If he tried to sell me, I'd be a little offended by the Harley comments as if he was convincing me what a poor choice I'm made with my life.
I agree with you. However, I have noticed over and over that real salespeople work the front of the house and guys like this are kept in the back of the house: repairing engines, fixing computer systems, writing software, tuning the HVAC system, and so on. His communication skills reflect an engineering mindset. A few months as a commissioned salesman would either help him stop using the word "Harley" or he would be out of that job. But Victory is no more.
Hey mate.. You going to have to tell everyone about the oil capacity, 5 QUARTS is too much.. I have a hammer and added AMSOIL 15w-60 and wehn i dropped the filter and oil i put 4 x bottles in (QUARTS) and went to check.. It was on the mark FULL. I have the hammer on stand- bikes level, i ride 3 klm and come back and check.. The oil is on FULL. iI used 4 x AMSOIL quarts.. ARE U CHANGING ANYWHERE ELSE
Obviously designed by someone who loves the V-twin but is sick and tired of HD's old tech. I like some of the HD bikes but this guy is pointing out everything that is blatantly wrong with them. FFS Harley come into the 21st century already
go back to the Evolution engine
To change a belt on a harley takes 6-8 hrs in a shop. Its fucking stooooopid.
MY VICTORY CROSS COUNTRY GETS 37 MPG ON THE HIGHWAY
how many miles before replacing that long ass cam chain and tensioners ? just courious
About 20,000 and 400 bucks later
I know if a few guys over 100k, no chain or tensioner issues. Keep in mind, cars have been running longer chains of the same style for 35 years and don’t have chain/tensioner issues. If the parts are quality, they don’t fail
When a guy publicly bad mouth another brand like this then I will never go for his product. Old baldy must remember that victory is waaaay overpriced and spares are far and few in between, even when they still built them. Oh yes, and how many times have victory gone belly up. Now Indians are branded victory. This guy compared one HD motor to victory, there are others like the EVO motor too. HD all day for me thanks, and I have a Kawa Vulcan.
that fuel milage is a stretch at best lol my kingpin gets mid 30s low 40s
My KP is probably around 40 to 45. I have never hit 50. I think 48 is as close as I have come.
"No worries, if this clutch blows it will be about $100+ more than a Harley clutch and that down draft throttle body that we just said Harley didn'/ have well I forgot to mention that Buells had them and so did the XR1200 but please watch as I shit on Harley to make this sound awesome and new". Then to straight up lie and say they never had to warranty a motor ever LOLOL
Well he was right about one thing..... "this aint no harley!"
Lol oh we know, thats why your not around anymore and they are!
Polaris still makes motorcycles but they wanted to focus on the Indian brand.
I know I sure as hell enjoy my $25.00 1125R oil filters at the HD dealer. That's comeraderie I don't need. No offense, but if you need a manufacturer badge to make friends, perhaps you should re-evaluate some things? I seriously doubt your badass Harley friends would dump you for buying a Victory. If they did, you don't need that kind of comeraderie anyhow. I used to hang out with Harley guys on my SV1000 suzuki, they can appreciate any badass V-Twin, even if they wouldn't ride it.
You try too hard to say Victory is not Harley.
Harley is Harley and Victory is Victory .. apples and oranges, both fruits but not an ounce in common.
If those victory engines are so great, then why don't I ever see them out on the open road? All I ever see on long trips are Harleys , BMW's, and gold wings.
Popularity has nothing to do with quality. Just look at McDonalds, incredibly popular, but the food isn't good and probably never was.
In the case of Victory, they've been around for 19 years. It took the current manufacturers a long time to get the kind of general awareness that they have. If the engines are as good as I hear and the reviewers suggest, I think it's only a matter of time before they get larger.
everything with moving parts has problems you flame boy
Not bullet proof mine blew up from trans to pistons
Well that's a lie! My 2014 with 44k needs a starter.
but, but this video was made in 2011. Before your bike was made. So technically he did not lie.
@@Boobtube. pfft, Lol that's sounds logical.
@@I_am_archie thanks, cause it is.
@@Boobtube. oh, expound. Which yrs "will never do it" (replace the starter?)
Say what you want about Harleys but who went out of business ? That's right HD #1 always was and will be !
Rubbing that HD rhubarb all the way to the HD service stall !! Good luck! Victory 50 k . Routine maintenance, that's all.
Shitbox, ask me how I know! hahaaaaa
I love how he compares everything to harley. What sherifs dept still uses harleys for service??? This dude pushin victory is a typical salesman
What a crock of shit: don't misunderstand me, I love my victory, but I've had two major engine failures in 2 and a half years from new and 30,000 kms. First, the transmission started making a noise and getting false neutrals, then totally disintegrated at 22,000 kms nearly killing me. After full rebuild, which I had to pay half of the cost, the big end bearing seized at 30,000 kms.Polaris don't want to know you! I strongly recommend staying away from any Polaris product. They have no customer service whatsoever.