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xfort would stands that break reality like ger,TA4,soft and wet go beyond,d4c love train and even the world over heaven(since i am not sure cause it does break reality but its closed in a small range which could work similar to how tusk act 4 works and his fist would not be affected by calamity) be able to beat Wonder of u?
@@magnetotar because it basically ignores time and space (inf death sending to any time period and basically sending diavolo to a pocket dimension) and it is also able to ignore the law of time erasure and change something thats fated to happen its the same as saying why do soft and wet go beyond or tusk act 4 break logic it is mainly because they ignore it just like how ger does but what i am curious about is why does xfort think that d4c lt breaks reality or is on the same lvl as soft and wet go beyond/tusk act 4
Imagine Valentine tries to attack Tooru and out of nowhere a rock gets stepped on by a horse, goes flying, and achieves the golden ratio and breaks through Love Train.
funny idea, although the unique abilities of the spin (aging, tusk infinite spin, left side blindness…) clearly come from the users utilizing the spin rather than the actual spin which is present everywhere in nature
Honestly I think Wonder of U is my favourite Villain Jojo Stand. The idea that the MOMENT you even think about going after Moment of U, Calamity strikes you. You could quite literally be in a room with nothing but cushioned walls, and the moment you go "Yeah I'm gonna get the son of a bitch" a plane door just crashes through the fucking building. It's so goddamn cool and honestly I am so excited to have my anime only buddies see it in like...5 years? give or take.
@@zrethor It escalates upon your intent and the context of the situation for "pursuing" and whether or not you are pursuing his stand or Tooru himself. Questioning the Head Doctor's existence and presence may lead to a calamity, but one less deadly compared to thinking about harming the Head Doctor. If you pursue Tooru instead of the Head Doctor/Wonder of U, the calamities would be much more severe and powerful, as seen when Jobin looks at the security camera footages and notices Tooru hiding behind the trees before Jobin trips on his own blood, the Locacaca pot pressing a plastic tube deeper into his heart, killing him. Yasuho also went against Tooru's words and called Kei Nijimura to help Josuke, which resulted a calamity where an escape door unhinged from a flying plane was falling down towards Yasuho's location. Tooru also stated himself that the calamity would reach it's peak form when a person would end up pursuing him instead of his stand.
I feel like wonder of u's ability SOMEHOW has priority over love train just because araki did say it was the strongest power as of jojollion's writting. Something like the noncanon world over heaven. being able to ignore everything aside of "ITS THE SAME TYPE OF STAND"
@@xForts Dude it was literally in regards to the strongest villain Stand, and if that's not enough to prove it you also brought up in your video how Calamity was able redirect Johnny's infinite rotation the same thing that defeated D4C Love Train so how is that not clear that WoU would easily destroy D4C Love Train.
All I though when heard the video was how Part 9 main villain will be someone who control both miracles and calamities and how Jodio will bypass it through November Rain final form's abilities, thus controlling his own destiny via "mechanisms". About the video, even if Love Train and Wonder of U cancel each other out, D4C is still a punching ghost stand, while the doctor is too passive, so good assessment.
Couldn’t WOU or Tooru just kill or move Lucy? Seeing as there’s nothing Valentine can actually do to him without leaving Lovetrain (great video btw XD)
Kinda hard, cuz... WoU can't use Calamities on someone, who's not pursuing him, if Tooru will try get to Lucy, Valentine can just attack him, but Calamities will not work on him.
I will argue that Johnny did not died because of calamity. He was explicitly saying good bye to his son in his last moments. So Johnny knew that he could transfer the disease unto himself, and that is what he did. Also, George getting the disease wasn't really a coincidence. Just like the manga states: "So removing the disease carried the meaning of exchanging the disease for something of equivalent value", and for Johnny his son and wife had the same "value". Meaning that George was the only target the saint's corps could use.
I'd argue that Wonder of U would win. While it does fall underneath "Logic", logic in the JoJo-verse supersedes miracles as we can see Johnny try to fight the Calamity (and fail). We can also see that Wonder of U exists as a constant in the universe, not belonging to Tohru as more a manifestation by him. Even if we ignore Araki's statements that this is the strongest villain, Go Beyond is a special case. It is less infinity and more the abstract of logic. One can understand the idea of infinity and even then Tusk Act 4's infinite spin is still limited and can be countered (as shown with Alternate Diego). However, Go Beyond is something that doesn't exist nor can be measured, the counter of logic being something that doesn't actually exist. With this in mind, if the miracles of the holy corpse and Johnny's abilities weren't enough to circumvent the calamity, I'd say Valentine would lose as he'd be fighting an uphill battle against a passive enemy - a force of nature that overpowers anything that isn't an equal or absolute force. Most likely, Valentine would just cause massive death on such a scale that he either gives up due to killing off America by proxy and karma or the Calamity is able to find a way to kill him through a seemingly harmless effect that Love Train does not consider to be positive or negative.
Cant wait for part 7 huh... Maybe do a video on What certain characters do get there stand and there Reflection on there Personality like Ermes and Kiss
Its a paradox since love train creates a barrier which redirects something that doesn't favor valentine to another dimension and WoU automatically creates calamities which will 100% kill u since even fate will turn on u and even gravity Its when an unstoppable object meets an immovable object
Theoretically couldn't valentine stand inside of love train the entire time while directing "intent to pursue" towards Tooru/wonder of U, and eventually, even if it takes a looooong time a calamity will be redirected towards tooru
Imagine if some random chain of calamity occurs where it ends with creating an infinite spin projectile that breaks through love train and kills valentine
THERES NO WAY, I just commented on a channel YESTERDAY wondering who would win in a fight between love train and wonder of u, and I was gonna comment on this channel about it too. And then voila there's this video today which was exactly what I was asking for
W vid+but for me wou wins+the author himself stated that wou is the strongest villain🤷♂️ and he is the energy itself+it’s honestly simple tusk annihilated d4c meanwhile calamity countered tusk
Now I can't help but imagine every time some random impact does more damage than it should due to Wonder of U's ability some kid finds a quarter on the ground nearby to balance out the universe
What if it was just Lucy Steel and Wonder Of U? Before she turned into a wooden human or smth like that, she pursued Wonder Of U and then turned into the wooden human doll. So who would win? The Flow of Miracles or the Flow of Calamity?
2 of the strongest stands in the series. 2 immovable objects. The calamitous combatant versus the presidential porter-hopper. Who will come out on top?
Honestly out of TA4, D4CLT and Go Beyond, TA4 would have the lowest chance because in theory even tho the stand itself counters the logic WOU is based on, Johnny himself has no way to pull it off, let's remember he must perform TA4 attack on his HORSE to actually activate it, puttinf Johnny at a huge disadvantage because during that time, let's say as a calamity example, his horse could just hit him in the head so hard he dies or when he gets on a horse, he'll fall off and break his own neck.
Before even watching the video, I have to say I just realized that WoU and D4C:Love Train are basically the exact opposite stands. One directs negative flow, while the other encases the user in positive flow. Wonder how you'll rationalize this, since in both cases they were defeated by literal infinity.
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Magicians Red wins against White Album since range, GER slaps S&W:GB. Dio from SC or PB? If first, he wins due physical stats, if will be a bit smarter. PB Dio gets slapped. White Album defeats Oasis, but it's interesting, how it can work. Like, Secco transforms anything into liquid or something like that, Ghiaccio freezes, so can he transform into ice... Road?
If go beyond was the "miracle" that was created to defeat wonder of u, wouldn't that mean that Tusk act4 was the "calamity", which through a series of logical events, caused love train to be defeated? ps: josuke and johnny's abilities use 2 different types of spin: go beyond uses the explosive spin and act 4 uses the infinite spin. Sorry if something is misspelled, I'm using google translate
Great video because it’s exactly how I think it will go down. But Valentine could find a way to beat him just as he found a way to beat Johnny with DIEGO.
It's kinda funny if you think about it: Valentine is using Love Train wrong. Valentine uses it to direct his own misfortune onto other people, but the original user most likely used it to direct the misfortune of other people onto himself.
The way I see the top strongest stands, it’s like Pokémon types. Fire is weak to water, water is weak to grass, grass is weak to fire. But at the same time, Araki did say wonder of U is strongest and I did watch a video of a guy proving how wonder of u is the strongest
I mean the fight might not even happen in the first place. If WOU has no reason of Attacking Valentine, he would just walk away. Remember, WOU isn’t an attack type stand, so unless he is tempted in taking the holy corpse, he would not even think of Valentine as an enemy, rather a partner who has a similar form of energy. Also, WOU might not see Valentine’s act as a sin, so no karma, and no calamity. And D4C might not see WOU as an enemy, either, just as the energy of Mother Nature. Also, I believe the year that they fight in might change the story. If it was 2011, Lucy Steel is already dead, so Love Train would not work… since the ticket to the golden train is gone.
most likely he wouldn't be able to accurately predict their movements. though its probably not fair compairing sbrverse stands to stands from the first 6 parts since fate works differently in the sbrverse
Couldn't Toru just steal Lucy and with that get Valentine out of range of Love Train. Gyro did that so why not Toru. Valentine can't attack him while he is stealing Lucy because he would need to get out of Love Train to attack him while he is carrying Lucy. Once Toru moves Lucy far enough Valentine is screwed. It seems to me Toru would win this fight if he doesn't just sit on his ass.
WoU also has no way to defeat base D4C. WoU is explicitly weak to the concept of things beyond the natural order, which both Love Train and D4C are all about. Without a multiversal, causality based attack, Valentine will just keep coming back until he manages to win (or drag an AU Johnny or Josuke in to finish the job for him)
xForts. Here's a Stand that I made, with the help of a randomizer, called C.P.J., or Compadre, Pedro, Juan. But what the stand can do is entirely up to the stand user since it's 100% utility based. Essentially, it's the power or absorption replication that allows me to become whatever of the four elements of matter are. So even if I were to face "The World" or "King Crimson", I will not die from their attacks since my body will be something like mud or clay.
I'm so glad this series is back. Could you do a match between Limp Bizkit and Civil War? Both are stands capable of creating zombies to fight and can revive their users in case they die
In a matchup between them, I'd say Limp Bizkit wins) Not mainly because of Limp Bizkit's ability, but because Sports Maxx's only regret is not making Gloria suffer more and he definitely wouldn't regret killing Axl Ro)
@@neoxus30that’s really not how Civil War works, it manifests the sins of abandonment, not simply dependent on people’s guilt and perceptions, it’s clearly shown that objects which people actively wanted to get rid of still gets manifested. It’s also explicitly stated in the introduction of the stand that no one can escape from their sins inside the ability range of Civil War.
I don’t know how it will be executed, but a note on the second chapter mentions something about a world where the dark and light are together. However it’s done it will be based on a mixture between the positive and negative flows
Trying to fully understand the flow of positive and negative energy/miracles and calamities in the SBRverse has always broken my brain a little. They're both such dense, thought out concepts to the point where you *really* need to soak in every piece of information. When it comes to explaining how they work, no dialogue is throwaway. I only really realized somewhat recently that Wonder of U's ability isn't insular, it literally manipulates a pre-existing force in the world to protect the user. I honestly do really dig the concepts of positive and negative flow in the SBRverse in general. They feel like a more unique and interesting version of fate in the original universe. Fate in the original universe was interesting in its own right, but this take on it feels more fleshed out, and it's not as rigid as suggesting that characters' actions are pre-determined.
It's a stalemate, but one is locked in place while the other is completely free. And Tooru is a rock human, by default he wins a stalemate against a human.
Even with wonder of u, any rock human would lose to literally infinite valentines. No matter how many times they die, he can send more, and more, and more, looking for tohru till the ends of the earth. Wonder of U has the range sure, but d4c's base ability has the resources and time to win.
@@alainblandi2885 Here's how he would do it: valentine would bring in other valentines who's only goal is to find powerful stand users. They would have no knowledge of WOU, and think they are getting the users just to make the president happy. He'd pay them, bribe them, whatever else, (probably bankrupt the US but whatever) and send em to die to see if they can beat WOU. Eventually he'd find someone like josuke who ends up winning against him. Even if he doesn't, rock humans are not immortal, and can live for (going off the wiki here) around 240 years. As valentine ages, he can bring in a younger version that stays safe in love train. Even if neither can directly harm the other, valentine can outlast him indefinitely.
@@thunderspark1536 thats not funny valentine winning tho. thats josuk8 winning. but even then go beyond only belongs to josuke and the universe where the corpse exists so it is quite immposible for valentine to find someone with josuk8 ability.
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xfort would stands that break reality like ger,TA4,soft and wet go beyond,d4c love train and even the world over heaven(since i am not sure cause it does break reality but its closed in a small range which could work similar to how tusk act 4 works and his fist would not be affected by calamity) be able to beat Wonder of u?
@@saifkhan-kc9echow does ger break reality
@@magnetotar because it basically ignores time and space (inf death sending to any time period and basically sending diavolo to a pocket dimension) and it is also able to ignore the law of time erasure and change something thats fated to happen its the same as saying why do soft and wet go beyond or tusk act 4 break logic it is mainly because they ignore it just like how ger does but what i am curious about is why does xfort think that d4c lt breaks reality or is on the same lvl as soft and wet go beyond/tusk act 4
@@magnetotarEasy, by having an ability that Puts people into an Infinit cycle of death. (Would be my answer)
Here’s a suggestion for an analysis fight. Foo Fighters vs iggy and his stand, the fool
Imagine Valentine tries to attack Tooru and out of nowhere a rock gets stepped on by a horse, goes flying, and achieves the golden ratio and breaks through Love Train.
funny idea, although the unique abilities of the spin (aging, tusk infinite spin, left side blindness…) clearly come from the users utilizing the spin rather than the actual spin which is present everywhere in nature
@@justonyx6721 yes, but did you consider the spin of the horse that stepped on the rock?
@@pagawn1640 My bad, you’re right that the horse could be a Zeppeli family horse
You do realise to achieve the infinite rotation you need horsepower in tandum with Johnny/ another attacker's power.
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The irony of the “ticket to ride” “love train” naming scheme is that in the song Love Train it’s clearly stated “you don’t need no ticket”
D4C: No drip rabbit
WoU: Cleanest drip on all of Morioh
Also a doctor that can cure cancer
@@docilelikewintercatfish And he is cool with the doctor that can quite literally go up your urethra
Funny Valentine took all the drip
Bru you tripping d4c finest looking stand, and the user is the drippiest world leader
@@pedror942
Fine looking? Yes
Drip as having a dope as attire? Nah
Honestly I think Wonder of U is my favourite Villain Jojo Stand. The idea that the MOMENT you even think about going after Moment of U, Calamity strikes you. You could quite literally be in a room with nothing but cushioned walls, and the moment you go "Yeah I'm gonna get the son of a bitch" a plane door just crashes through the fucking building. It's so goddamn cool and honestly I am so excited to have my anime only buddies see it in like...5 years? give or take.
More like a decade
I might be remembering this incorrectly but doesn't it like escalate over time and how close you get.
@@zrethor It escalates upon your intent and the context of the situation for "pursuing" and whether or not you are pursuing his stand or Tooru himself. Questioning the Head Doctor's existence and presence may lead to a calamity, but one less deadly compared to thinking about harming the Head Doctor. If you pursue Tooru instead of the Head Doctor/Wonder of U, the calamities would be much more severe and powerful, as seen when Jobin looks at the security camera footages and notices Tooru hiding behind the trees before Jobin trips on his own blood, the Locacaca pot pressing a plastic tube deeper into his heart, killing him. Yasuho also went against Tooru's words and called Kei Nijimura to help Josuke, which resulted a calamity where an escape door unhinged from a flying plane was falling down towards Yasuho's location. Tooru also stated himself that the calamity would reach it's peak form when a person would end up pursuing him instead of his stand.
The battle where reality collapses in on itself
Yeah I feel like it would be a draw due to one being the embodiment of positive and negative energy it would all balance out
I believe that sometime Valentine's misfortune redirection would hit Tooru himself
@@galeb7850well I'd valentine steps on a rock inside the barrier it could like break his leg bc of wonder of u
@@galeb7850it just an example
@@thebreaddealer4942 no, man, the barrier REDIRECTS MISFORTUNE, he is phisically unable to "step on a rock an break his leg or something"
The real “Oh, are you approaching me” battle
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I feel like wonder of u's ability SOMEHOW has priority over love train just because araki did say it was the strongest power as of jojollion's writting.
Something like the noncanon world over heaven. being able to ignore everything aside of "ITS THE SAME TYPE OF STAND"
What Araki said something more like the concept of calamity is the strongest. He was speaking more outside of JoJo, how calamity effects everyone
@@xForts Dude it was literally in regards to the strongest villain Stand, and if that's not enough to prove it you also brought up in your video how Calamity was able redirect Johnny's infinite rotation the same thing that defeated D4C Love Train so how is that not clear that WoU would easily destroy D4C Love Train.
@@TheVeganStudent_who hurt you? 😂😂
@@ARandomGuy872 better question is what the heck do you even mean? they are debating which stand could win .-.
Araki said It was the hardest to overcome in villains
bro i havent seen these stand off vids in a hellah of a long time glad to see it again!
All I though when heard the video was how Part 9 main villain will be someone who control both miracles and calamities and how Jodio will bypass it through November Rain final form's abilities, thus controlling his own destiny via "mechanisms".
About the video, even if Love Train and Wonder of U cancel each other out, D4C is still a punching ghost stand, while the doctor is too passive, so good assessment.
Wonder of U is really one of my favorite stand I just love the concept
yea I was about to say love train is literally wonder of u’s direct counter
4:30 Mechanism. Could this be the mechanism that Jodio speaks of?
Couldn’t WOU or Tooru just kill or move Lucy? Seeing as there’s nothing Valentine can actually do to him without leaving Lovetrain (great video btw XD)
Lucys stand Ticket to ride has the same misfortune redirection
Kinda hard, cuz... WoU can't use Calamities on someone, who's not pursuing him, if Tooru will try get to Lucy, Valentine can just attack him, but Calamities will not work on him.
@@AnimeOppai valentine has to leave LT to attack so he would get slammed by calamity
@@sirjoesphjoestar8361 Rai without any LT grabbed WOU's neck. WOU's Calamity not even close so strong as you think.
@@AnimeOppaiand what happened to him straight afterwards? Did he actually hurt WOU?
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I will argue that Johnny did not died because of calamity. He was explicitly saying good bye to his son in his last moments. So Johnny knew that he could transfer the disease unto himself, and that is what he did. Also, George getting the disease wasn't really a coincidence. Just like the manga states: "So removing the disease carried the meaning of exchanging the disease for something of equivalent value", and for Johnny his son and wife had the same "value". Meaning that George was the only target the saint's corps could use.
Yeah, it wasn't Calamity, it was Equivalent Exchange
Wonder of U sounds like walking Final Destination
I'd argue that Wonder of U would win.
While it does fall underneath "Logic", logic in the JoJo-verse supersedes miracles as we can see Johnny try to fight the Calamity (and fail). We can also see that Wonder of U exists as a constant in the universe, not belonging to Tohru as more a manifestation by him. Even if we ignore Araki's statements that this is the strongest villain, Go Beyond is a special case. It is less infinity and more the abstract of logic. One can understand the idea of infinity and even then Tusk Act 4's infinite spin is still limited and can be countered (as shown with Alternate Diego). However, Go Beyond is something that doesn't exist nor can be measured, the counter of logic being something that doesn't actually exist. With this in mind, if the miracles of the holy corpse and Johnny's abilities weren't enough to circumvent the calamity, I'd say Valentine would lose as he'd be fighting an uphill battle against a passive enemy - a force of nature that overpowers anything that isn't an equal or absolute force.
Most likely, Valentine would just cause massive death on such a scale that he either gives up due to killing off America by proxy and karma or the Calamity is able to find a way to kill him through a seemingly harmless effect that Love Train does not consider to be positive or negative.
Cant wait for part 7 huh...
Maybe do a video on What certain characters do get there stand and there Reflection on there Personality like Ermes and Kiss
Its a paradox since love train creates a barrier which redirects something that doesn't favor valentine to another dimension and WoU automatically creates calamities which will 100% kill u since even fate will turn on u and even gravity
Its when an unstoppable object meets an immovable object
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Theoretically couldn't valentine stand inside of love train the entire time while directing "intent to pursue" towards Tooru/wonder of U, and eventually, even if it takes a looooong time a calamity will be redirected towards tooru
Imagine if some random chain of calamity occurs where it ends with creating an infinite spin projectile that breaks through love train and kills valentine
Unstoppable force vs immovable object: the stand battle.
THERES NO WAY, I just commented on a channel YESTERDAY wondering who would win in a fight between love train and wonder of u, and I was gonna comment on this channel about it too. And then voila there's this video today which was exactly what I was asking for
Interesting perspective on Love Train. Keep up the good work ☮️♥️
W vid+but for me wou wins+the author himself stated that wou is the strongest villain🤷♂️ and he is the energy itself+it’s honestly simple tusk annihilated d4c meanwhile calamity countered tusk
An Imovable Object vs An Unstopable Force
Now I can't help but imagine every time some random impact does more damage than it should due to Wonder of U's ability some kid finds a quarter on the ground nearby to balance out the universe
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Pocoloco and his luck would be the true challenge to WoU and calamity.
What if it was just Lucy Steel and Wonder Of U? Before she turned into a wooden human or smth like that, she pursued Wonder Of U and then turned into the wooden human doll. So who would win? The Flow of Miracles or the Flow of Calamity?
2 of the strongest stands in the series. 2 immovable objects. The calamitous combatant versus the presidential porter-hopper. Who will come out on top?
Well. This was something
Instead of doing part eight all stands, he decides to make something that people already covered on
Honestly out of TA4, D4CLT and Go Beyond, TA4 would have the lowest chance because in theory even tho the stand itself counters the logic WOU is based on, Johnny himself has no way to pull it off, let's remember he must perform TA4 attack on his HORSE to actually activate it, puttinf Johnny at a huge disadvantage because during that time, let's say as a calamity example, his horse could just hit him in the head so hard he dies or when he gets on a horse, he'll fall off and break his own neck.
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Before even watching the video, I have to say I just realized that WoU and D4C:Love Train are basically the exact opposite stands. One directs negative flow, while the other encases the user in positive flow. Wonder how you'll rationalize this, since in both cases they were defeated by literal infinity.
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Magicians Red wins against White Album since range, GER slaps S&W:GB.
Dio from SC or PB?
If first, he wins due physical stats, if will be a bit smarter.
PB Dio gets slapped.
White Album defeats Oasis, but it's interesting, how it can work. Like, Secco transforms anything into liquid or something like that, Ghiaccio freezes, so can he transform into ice... Road?
Yeah White album vs Oasis would be fun to see.
G.E.R Vs Wonder Of U must happen
guys stands aren't what they seem like
they're actually a form of rock paper scissors
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If go beyond was the "miracle" that was created to defeat wonder of u, wouldn't that mean that Tusk act4 was the "calamity", which through a series of logical events, caused love train to be defeated?
ps: josuke and johnny's abilities use 2 different types of spin: go beyond uses the explosive spin and act 4 uses the infinite spin. Sorry if something is misspelled, I'm using google translate
I mean, Act 4 can also count as a miracle for Johnny that allowed him to walk again.
Great video because it’s exactly how I think it will go down. But Valentine could find a way to beat him just as he found a way to beat Johnny with DIEGO.
This is why I love jojo
Couldn't Rohan just write on himself (immune to calamity)
D4c takes all the good karma away while wu throws all bad karma at you.
SBR rocks, and is next in line for anime!
Do soft and wet go beyond vs the world over heaven
It's kinda funny if you think about it: Valentine is using Love Train wrong. Valentine uses it to direct his own misfortune onto other people, but the original user most likely used it to direct the misfortune of other people onto himself.
I love how this video only made me feel dumber
Where is jojolion review part 2 fr😞 (but great video btw)
The way I see the top strongest stands, it’s like Pokémon types. Fire is weak to water, water is weak to grass, grass is weak to fire. But at the same time, Araki did say wonder of U is strongest and I did watch a video of a guy proving how wonder of u is the strongest
This gives me hope, that we might see a stand off between the milagro man & the lava rocks from part 9 jojolands😅
Large use of mechanisms in the video
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I mean the fight might not even happen in the first place. If WOU has no reason of Attacking Valentine, he would just walk away. Remember, WOU isn’t an attack type stand, so unless he is tempted in taking the holy corpse, he would not even think of Valentine as an enemy, rather a partner who has a similar form of energy. Also, WOU might not see Valentine’s act as a sin, so no karma, and no calamity. And D4C might not see WOU as an enemy, either, just as the energy of Mother Nature.
Also, I believe the year that they fight in might change the story. If it was 2011, Lucy Steel is already dead, so Love Train would not work… since the ticket to the golden train is gone.
Is Ball Breaker any similar to Grateful Dead?
Great now's it's time for Johnny vs gappy 🙏🙏
Is... Is Tooru the antichrist?
no but his stand is the literal embodiment of calamity
Blud is the jjba death battle version (way more intresting ngl)
Well, Valentine should get D4c out of the love train to attack sooo
Shit…Johnny killed by Tooru makes sense
Uhh no.. the flow of calamity does not mean Toru
King Crimson vs Dragons dream . Most wtf stands that exist
Question on base d4c could calamity hit fv?
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I wonder how an ability that removes fate from a fight affect stands like King Crimson where they rely on fate.
most likely he wouldn't be able to accurately predict their movements. though its probably not fair compairing sbrverse stands to stands from the first 6 parts since fate works differently in the sbrverse
Twou ability is basically antagonize its victims manipulating and putting reality against the victim.
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erm.. but araki said wonder of you was the strongest stand.........
Erm... Araki doesn't...
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Couldn't Toru just steal Lucy and with that get Valentine out of range of Love Train. Gyro did that so why not Toru. Valentine can't attack him while he is stealing Lucy because he would need to get out of Love Train to attack him while he is carrying Lucy. Once Toru moves Lucy far enough Valentine is screwed. It seems to me Toru would win this fight if he doesn't just sit on his ass.
Stalemate or WoU wins
Unstoppable force v immovable object
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WoU also has no way to defeat base D4C. WoU is explicitly weak to the concept of things beyond the natural order, which both Love Train and D4C are all about. Without a multiversal, causality based attack, Valentine will just keep coming back until he manages to win (or drag an AU Johnny or Josuke in to finish the job for him)
I really hope the WoU fanboys don't come to mass bomb this video.
Great video sForts. Glad to see Stand Off back.
i miss stand off
New stand off just dropped
D4c love train was defeated by tusk, tusk user was killed by calamity 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ wonder of you stomps him
Crazy how he was in bizzare town
xForts. Here's a Stand that I made, with the help of a randomizer, called C.P.J., or Compadre, Pedro, Juan. But what the stand can do is entirely up to the stand user since it's 100% utility based. Essentially, it's the power or absorption replication that allows me to become whatever of the four elements of matter are. So even if I were to face "The World" or "King Crimson", I will not die from their attacks since my body will be something like mud or clay.
can u do a can giorno solo bleach
Welcome back king 👑
heh “goes beyond” the holy corpse. i c u 😎🥸
Wonder of U has Better Drip
I would love to see a stand off between mandom and literally anyone else
What about Mandom and King Crimson? A similar theme of opposites clashing like here
Hey Ya! solos, no diff
@@MrMnM-ed5ht man that would be soo cool , who do you think is gonna win tho as king crimson is 8 second time eraser but mandom can do only 6
Would like Mandom vs Star Platinum
Rewind vs time stop
@@ScizorSenpai plus, king crimson has epitaph
I'm so glad this series is back.
Could you do a match between Limp Bizkit and Civil War?
Both are stands capable of creating zombies to fight and can revive their users in case they die
In a matchup between them, I'd say Limp Bizkit wins)
Not mainly because of Limp Bizkit's ability, but because Sports Maxx's only regret is not making Gloria suffer more and he definitely wouldn't regret killing Axl Ro)
@@neoxus30 we don't know nothing about Sports backstory, so its possible he suffered a troubling past than made him the horrible person he is.
Imagine them in a cemetery
Flacid pancake wins anytime
@@neoxus30that’s really not how Civil War works, it manifests the sins of abandonment, not simply dependent on people’s guilt and perceptions, it’s clearly shown that objects which people actively wanted to get rid of still gets manifested. It’s also explicitly stated in the introduction of the stand that no one can escape from their sins inside the ability range of Civil War.
This just makes me wonder how Araki’s going to implement the “flow” in the Jojolands
I don’t know how it will be executed, but a note on the second chapter mentions something about a world where the dark and light are together. However it’s done it will be based on a mixture between the positive and negative flows
What I imagine ultimate damage reflection, in one side of the world someone stabs a person and the stand can reflect that to anyone
The lava rocks already seem to be some form of flow manipulation
because of what we have so far in jojolands, I feel like jojolands is gonna be one of those jojo parts that's just simply really really good
Well... He's already implementing it, so that's interesting
Trying to fully understand the flow of positive and negative energy/miracles and calamities in the SBRverse has always broken my brain a little. They're both such dense, thought out concepts to the point where you *really* need to soak in every piece of information. When it comes to explaining how they work, no dialogue is throwaway. I only really realized somewhat recently that Wonder of U's ability isn't insular, it literally manipulates a pre-existing force in the world to protect the user. I honestly do really dig the concepts of positive and negative flow in the SBRverse in general. They feel like a more unique and interesting version of fate in the original universe. Fate in the original universe was interesting in its own right, but this take on it feels more fleshed out, and it's not as rigid as suggesting that characters' actions are pre-determined.
Love these videos man! Your channel is as epic as Jojo itself!😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤
The battle of, Immovable Object vs Immovable Object
It's a stalemate, but one is locked in place while the other is completely free. And Tooru is a rock human, by default he wins a stalemate against a human.
Didn't you watch the video?
Even with wonder of u, any rock human would lose to literally infinite valentines. No matter how many times they die, he can send more, and more, and more, looking for tohru till the ends of the earth. Wonder of U has the range sure, but d4c's base ability has the resources and time to win.
@@thunderspark1536 The other Valentines won't be immune to the calamities. They would lose without Tooru having to put any effort.
@@alainblandi2885 Here's how he would do it: valentine would bring in other valentines who's only goal is to find powerful stand users. They would have no knowledge of WOU, and think they are getting the users just to make the president happy. He'd pay them, bribe them, whatever else, (probably bankrupt the US but whatever) and send em to die to see if they can beat WOU. Eventually he'd find someone like josuke who ends up winning against him.
Even if he doesn't, rock humans are not immortal, and can live for (going off the wiki here) around 240 years. As valentine ages, he can bring in a younger version that stays safe in love train. Even if neither can directly harm the other, valentine can outlast him indefinitely.
@@thunderspark1536 thats not funny valentine winning tho. thats josuk8 winning. but even then go beyond only belongs to josuke and the universe where the corpse exists so it is quite immposible for valentine to find someone with josuk8 ability.
Can't wait for jojolion retrospective part 2
0:35 sounds like "The Balance" from Jugram Haschwalth of Bleach.