I like your reaction video! I think the parts where you pause the Spitfire video and comment are easier to follow than when you are talking over their dialog, but I'd like to see more like this. I have ART Core and appreciated you comment about not really needing all the mics, unless that's your thing...Core still give a great sound.
Good review. Saw this yesterday and indeed it IS unique in the sense that it truly does have that typical British Beatles sound in the orchestrated passages of many of their hits. It's very CLOSE sounding which I suspect is the intent. NOT a lot of studio space but there is some - I mean Abbey Road studio is iconic indeed so yeah, it's there just different than what many people might be used to hearing in a space like Sony or Teldex which are huge by comparison I guess and much more live. And whether they pan it for this video or whether it's hard-panned this way and not alterable to me would be a drawback. However, it's almost as though it's not tonally perfect either on purpose and a bit of grittiness which speaks to me, to the great old analog equipment of that era that wasn't necessarily as "perfect" as it is today with digital equipment. Although the analog, old, behemoth's of the past are preferred because they add rich, robust, tight and warm sound that really is the best of the vintage eras. As usual - sorry couldn't get through one of these without that - Good review Chris. Enjoyed your take on it.
Hey Christopher.. I have so many of their libraries. Not sure I need this, but this will help me decide. I can play well, so I did get the OT Ark 5 last night. Waiting on the rest. Not sure I need it for what I do here. Have a full on Certified Dolby Atmos room here now. As a studio musician, I have played in many of the rooms in LA Stages at Fox, Sony, formerly Columbia/Tristar etc. Thanks for the REAL world reviews. I have a deal, so I may grab it, but still on the fence to see if I need it. Some of the legato is hard for me to listen to after really use to just getting players in or conducting sessions. You made me decide to get just the CORE. That's what I FINALLY did with the BBC. I did like the Abbey Road One, which I have totally dug and used a lot of projects and am in a TV series that I just used it on.
Mic positions. I have really great modified Klaus Heyne Neumann U87's etc. OId RCA Ribbons etc. 47 Tubs. I think you can always upgrade later. And also you can get a very similar verb with Liquidsonics verbs and Also Reverb Foundry Tai Chi, Altiverb. etc. in the interim.
Everybody’s constantly talking about the Eleanor Rigby sound, but what about that fantastic sound from soundtracks from the 1950’s and 60’s British social realist/kitchen sink Ealing Studio movies. That’s what I hear and love and want to recreate. Amazing lib.
Nice review/little spotlight! What do you think about the new Sonokinetic Orchestral Strings library that's just been released a couple of days ago? To me it has that typical Thomas Bergersen / TSFH kind of sound since it's the Capellen Orchestra in a library... but I'm not sure about the Legato, especially with the runs 🤔
I don't think it sounds like TB/TSFH just because it was recorded in Zlin with the same orchestra. If that were the case, Century Strings & Brass from 8dio would sound like similar too, and both of these libraries sound very different to each other (and different from TB's samples) upon closer inspection.
@@snarf1504 Thank you for your comment! We have to consider that the "sound" itself depends on a lot of different factors. From section size of the orchestra to mic positioning (even the types of mics used to record the orchestra) and postproduction/editing. Even the conductor can make a huge difference, dependent on how he wants his players to sound/play. The century strings sound realy close especially looking at the character of the violins and celli. They got this realy sharp and precise sound in the high end and mids. But for most TSFH tracks the section size would be to small since it's recorded in a chamber kind of manner (6/4/6/4/4). I don't know how TSFH's tracks are composed, but I think they work a lot with divisi to achieve that sound (especially with short notes). But what I'm trying to say, of course there won't be "the" TSFH library out there since they work with different recording techniques (like shuffling players etc.) and section sizes as well. For me, the closest libraries to their sound are Sonokinetic OS, Afflatus and Century (for the smaller/more precise sounding sections). Sonokinetic got this "whooshy" kind of sound if you know what I mean...
@@kendydrechsler4956 Yes, I agree with those points. I don't know if they make extensive use of divisi. With TB it's certainly possible, but we know for sure they do string overdubs which also results in a thicker sound. Relatedly, another thing to consider is the layering and 'augmenting' of the recordings with samples & synths. Sometimes the samples are quite exposed, and you can you can pick out a specific library. For example, the choirs in 'Stallion' are from Strezov's Freyja library (except TB's personal choir at the end). Ultimately, though, Thomas would say that the captured performance/expression is the most important aspect of the 'sound' of the music (assuming you've got a decent room + mic setup to capture it etc. ceteris paribus). Speaking of a 'TB sample library', I heard there were plans to release some of his samples at some point. Some of the tracks in the Daybreak album were supposed to be demo's of this new library. Would've been quite something, I imagine. Don't quote me on this, though!
great idea in doing these series of videos Christopher,as many libraries sound the same and do very much the same thing and like you said,do you need al these extra mixes when you can construct them yourself with EQ,reverb,cabinet,and mike simulation software,so why pay a ton more for these mixes,but thats my take on it
@@toddfrombethesda6963 maybe in the past Todd,but nowadays they can recreate anything thru the shear power of todays computers,i have this plugin ua-cam.com/video/Euef8rtUYf0/v-deo.html and if you want one of the best reverbs,then i would recommend cinematic rooms,what makes a room unique are reflections and absorptions of sound waves,nothing more
If YOU are going to talk - stop playing the video in the background. For someone like me, english is not my first language, it makes it very hard to hear what YOU say.
Christopher Siu, his is ridiculous, you parody the entire published performance of some other channel, in such a cheap distasteful manner, to create content for your own channel. Leaves a really bad taste in the mouth. If you are good enough, buy the library and do a proper review, not this commentary, reusing someone else's hard work, to create content for your channel. Please be original and go put in some hard work of your own. We do not need you to give us an opinion of the sample library - we have ears also, thank God. On that note, do you have any pedigree in film music composing?, Any films, TV, commercials of note using music you composed? Why should anyone pay attention to your comment, and why should we listen to you?
Thank you for watching! I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Actually, you’ll notice that I never mention anything negative about the company; in fact many times I truly enjoy the sound and functionality of what it has to offer. These unscripted reactions are meant to share my own personal impressions of new offerings, and if I really feel like I would enjoy using it myself, I would go ahead and pick it up for myself to do my own review of the library. Rest assured, there’s no favouritism here, so if something pops that really intrigues me, I’ll go ahead and share my thoughts honestly, whether I’ve worked with the company before or not :) thanks again!
You don't have to listen or watch his videos if you don't like them lol. If you feel so passionate about this topic, why don't you make your own videos?
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I like your reaction video! I think the parts where you pause the Spitfire video and comment are easier to follow than when you are talking over their dialog, but I'd like to see more like this. I have ART Core and appreciated you comment about not really needing all the mics, unless that's your thing...Core still give a great sound.
Thanks so much! More to come :)
Good review. Saw this yesterday and indeed it IS unique in the sense that it truly does have that typical British Beatles sound in the orchestrated passages of many of their hits. It's very CLOSE sounding which I suspect is the intent. NOT a lot of studio space but there is some - I mean Abbey Road studio is iconic indeed so yeah, it's there just different than what many people might be used to hearing in a space like Sony or Teldex which are huge by comparison I guess and much more live. And whether they pan it for this video or whether it's hard-panned this way and not alterable to me would be a drawback. However, it's almost as though it's not tonally perfect either on purpose and a bit of grittiness which speaks to me, to the great old analog equipment of that era that wasn't necessarily as "perfect" as it is today with digital equipment. Although the analog, old, behemoth's of the past are preferred because they add rich, robust, tight and warm sound that really is the best of the vintage eras. As usual - sorry couldn't get through one of these without that - Good review Chris. Enjoyed your take on it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bill!
Pro library has Portamento and core does not , so that may make a difference in your needs with Abbey Road2
Hey Christopher.. I have so many of their libraries. Not sure I need this, but this will help me decide. I can play well, so I did get the OT Ark 5 last night. Waiting on the rest. Not sure I need it for what I do here. Have a full on Certified Dolby Atmos room here now. As a studio musician, I have played in many of the rooms in LA Stages at Fox, Sony, formerly Columbia/Tristar etc. Thanks for the REAL world reviews. I have a deal, so I may grab it, but still on the fence to see if I need it. Some of the legato is hard for me to listen to after really use to just getting players in or conducting sessions. You made me decide to get just the CORE. That's what I FINALLY did with the BBC. I did like the Abbey Road One, which I have totally dug and used a lot of projects and am in a TV series that I just used it on.
Mic positions. I have really great modified Klaus Heyne Neumann U87's etc. OId RCA Ribbons etc. 47 Tubs. I think you can always upgrade later. And also you can get a very similar verb with Liquidsonics verbs and Also Reverb Foundry Tai Chi, Altiverb. etc. in the interim.
Everybody’s constantly talking about the Eleanor Rigby sound, but what about that fantastic sound from soundtracks from the 1950’s and 60’s British social realist/kitchen sink Ealing Studio movies. That’s what I hear and love and want to recreate. Amazing lib.
Nice review/little spotlight! What do you think about the new Sonokinetic Orchestral Strings library that's just been released a couple of days ago? To me it has that typical Thomas Bergersen / TSFH kind of sound since it's the Capellen Orchestra in a library... but I'm not sure about the Legato, especially with the runs 🤔
Thanks Kendy! I might have to take a look at that one as well - stay tuned!
I don't think it sounds like TB/TSFH just because it was recorded in Zlin with the same orchestra. If that were the case, Century Strings & Brass from 8dio would sound like similar too, and both of these libraries sound very different to each other (and different from TB's samples) upon closer inspection.
@@snarf1504 Thank you for your comment! We have to consider that the "sound" itself depends on a lot of different factors. From section size of the orchestra to mic positioning (even the types of mics used to record the orchestra) and postproduction/editing. Even the conductor can make a huge difference, dependent on how he wants his players to sound/play. The century strings sound realy close especially looking at the character of the violins and celli. They got this realy sharp and precise sound in the high end and mids. But for most TSFH tracks the section size would be to small since it's recorded in a chamber kind of manner (6/4/6/4/4). I don't know how TSFH's tracks are composed, but I think they work a lot with divisi to achieve that sound (especially with short notes). But what I'm trying to say, of course there won't be "the" TSFH library out there since they work with different recording techniques (like shuffling players etc.) and section sizes as well. For me, the closest libraries to their sound are Sonokinetic OS, Afflatus and Century (for the smaller/more precise sounding sections). Sonokinetic got this "whooshy" kind of sound if you know what I mean...
@@kendydrechsler4956 Yes, I agree with those points. I don't know if they make extensive use of divisi. With TB it's certainly possible, but we know for sure they do string overdubs which also results in a thicker sound. Relatedly, another thing to consider is the layering and 'augmenting' of the recordings with samples & synths. Sometimes the samples are quite exposed, and you can you can pick out a specific library. For example, the choirs in 'Stallion' are from Strezov's Freyja library (except TB's personal choir at the end).
Ultimately, though, Thomas would say that the captured performance/expression is the most important aspect of the 'sound' of the music (assuming you've got a decent room + mic setup to capture it etc. ceteris paribus). Speaking of a 'TB sample library', I heard there were plans to release some of his samples at some point. Some of the tracks in the Daybreak album were supposed to be demo's of this new library. Would've been quite something, I imagine. Don't quote me on this, though!
So meta. Review of a walkthrough. Should I do a review of your review of a walkthrough? 🤣🤣
Big brain Marcus over here 😄
@@ChristopherSiu 😂
Hi Chris, which one is better? the CSSS or AB2?
CSSS for romantic lines, AB2 for shorts.
Great review, Chris. I like these types of videos, pls post more of them!
Cheers, Pedro, thank you!
More verbs will give you a bigger feel in the Ensemble. I prefer better verbs for that. My own.
great idea in doing these series of videos Christopher,as many libraries sound the same and do very much the same thing
and like you said,do you need al these extra mixes when you can construct them yourself with EQ,reverb,cabinet,and mike simulation software,so why pay a ton more for these mixes,but thats my take on it
Glad you like it Ronny, thanks :)
Your paying for the iconic room sound. You can’t emulate the sound of abbey road 2.
@@toddfrombethesda6963 maybe in the past Todd,but nowadays they can recreate anything thru the shear power of todays computers,i have this plugin
ua-cam.com/video/Euef8rtUYf0/v-deo.html
and if you want one of the best reverbs,then i would recommend cinematic rooms,what makes a room unique are reflections and absorptions of sound waves,nothing more
@@ronnyb5890 no they can’t. Abbey road two is very much not going to be remade in plugins.
The name for this is a "reaction video". Tons of these on UA-cam: someone watches somebody else's video and reacts to it.
So far the audio examples I've heard don't sound all that good.
Fair enough!
14:40 the different mics have a huge difference on the sound, wtf bro use your ears
Yeah man why doesn't he use those ears
If YOU are going to talk - stop playing the video in the background. For someone like me, english is not my first language, it makes it very hard to hear what YOU say.
Christopher Siu, his is ridiculous, you parody the entire published performance of some other channel, in such a cheap distasteful manner, to create content for your own channel.
Leaves a really bad taste in the mouth. If you are good enough, buy the library and do a proper review, not this commentary, reusing someone else's hard work, to create content for your channel.
Please be original and go put in some hard work of your own.
We do not need you to give us an opinion of the sample library - we have ears also, thank God.
On that note, do you have any pedigree in film music composing?, Any films, TV, commercials of note using music you composed? Why should anyone pay attention to your comment, and why should we listen to you?
Thank you for watching! I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Actually, you’ll notice that I never mention anything negative about the company; in fact many times I truly enjoy the sound and functionality of what it has to offer.
These unscripted reactions are meant to share my own personal impressions of new offerings, and if I really feel like I would enjoy using it myself, I would go ahead and pick it up for myself to do my own review of the library.
Rest assured, there’s no favouritism here, so if something pops that really intrigues me, I’ll go ahead and share my thoughts honestly, whether I’ve worked with the company before or not :) thanks again!
You don't have to listen or watch his videos if you don't like them lol. If you feel so passionate about this topic, why don't you make your own videos?