It kinda seems that almost everyone in Hollywood wanted strong female leads with no depths as a source of empowerment that the forget about the feminist spectrum, where there’s more to being female one being more girly and the other being a tomboy.
To be honest, I think the problem is the labels and adjectives to describe characters nowadays. Hollywood loves to tell you how amazing a characters without showing it. Movies need to get back to trusting their audience letting them explain for themselves why they enjoy a character's development. If you don't mind me asking: what do you think is the best example of an empowering female lead?
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed - Korra from TLoK; w/ a development from brash & impulsive to passionate & humble. - Mulan; learning to appreciate herself regardless of not meeting up with society expectations of her. - Sarah Conner; from an everyday average young lady in the first movie to a badass mother in the sequel.
Zegler has 7+ million dollars. That's more than most people earn in their lifetime. If she wants, she can do indie movies for the rest of her career. She can easily refuse job offerings that typecast her. She doesn't because of money, not because she doesn't have a choice.
I'm not a screenwriter or anything, and I don't care for these live action- adaptations at all. But I think the golden rule if one wants to make a remake should be; don't change, expand. The Prince for example, who might indeed come out as a stalker in the original movie, where does he come from and why was he there? Maybe he's plotting a rebellion against the Queen's evil rule. And the Seven Dwarfs (or whatever they'll be called in this adaptation...), they seemed to know a thing or two about how evil the Queen is. Maybe they were thrown out of her kingdom and were forced to live in exile in the woods (I know; sounds like something from Shrek, but I don't care). They might wanna join in on this rebellion, or maybe they already are... But the pure-hearted Snow White does not believe in violence and so she tries to teach them all a better way, and this is what makes the Prince fall in love with her. Or maybe I'm just not "modern" enough...
You say you're no screenwriter, but I do appreciate your thoughts, my friend! I would agree with your statement "Don't change...expand." That should be on a golden plaque hanging in every writer's room...haha! I feel like there are a lot of interesting ways to expand on it. Adding more depth to the Prince and Dwarfs would be cool. But what I want to know is where the heck this Magic Mirror came from? And why is the Queen so obsessed with her looks? Is she immortal or does she have some traumatic backstory? I might be in the same boat...I don't think I'm "hip" enough to understand the "modern" image....haha!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed Yes! The mirror and the Queen's backstory are excellent examples as well, especially considering that she refers to it as "Slave" in the magic mirror, and she knows dark magic. This alone makes for really good villain origins.
Every little girl's dream, at one time, was to find their Prince Charming or one true love who would rescue them from something. Then go away from with them and live in a castle, happily ever after. Much of that came from Disney's portrayals of the heroines of his movies; Cinderella, Snow White, Little Mermaid etc. Even Disney's later movies about talking dogs were about kindness, good and evil, respect and responsibility. Being a "housewife" and mother is not just about cooking and cleaning. It is always a multitude of other roles Disney needs to select their leading ladies better if the the girl hates the role she is supposed to portray. Going out and doing interviews is supposed to be a positive portrayal of the character not a cutdown of their role.
This doesn't make Disney or Zegler look good. I'm not sure what Zegler is trying to prove by bashing a Disney Princess? But I do hope this experience helps her become more humble and appreciative of her roles in the future.
If Zegler hates the Snow White story so much, why is she doing it? Oh, that’s easy to answer: money. Even though she was hand-picked by the Director, Zegler still should have been asked some basic questions in the beginning.
A lot has happened since you posted this video. It’s now been delayed to March 2025 and we got a photo of the seven dwarfs in all their CGI glory. Oh boy!
The only thing I find scary about the original movie is the forest scene near the start of the movie when she’s running for her life. It was just so spooky and dark. I had to often skip it.
It scared me back in the day as well. But now I think it's rather genius. It kind of reminds me of how Rugrats tackle the babies' fears in a creative way.
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed a similar scene happened in the Rugrats movie when Chuckie, Phil and Lil got separated from Tommy and Dil. Chuckie and Lil thought Phil was crushed by the tree.
Recently saw a German version of a live adaptation of Snow White that was made in like 2019 and it was actually pretty decent. Schneewittchen und der Zauber der zwerge. It was a good movie because they didn't make it as traditional the dwarfs had magic instead of marrying a Prince she married basically like a stable boy.
I know which version you mean, I'm from Germany...and rather grew up with only the German fairy tale adaptions instead of Disney...I think Disney takes huge inspiration from other fairy tale adaptions, such as I felt also for The Little Mermaid remake (reminded me of a recent German adaption). also the animated classic ones did always take some inspiration from what was fashionable around the time...and the animated Disney versions did influence again German and other fairy tale movies...The 1955 Snow White included also the prince meeting Snow White in the beginning and the witch's death through a lightning; the dwarfs were played by children and were the ones reviving Snow White, when the youngest one stumbles and the coffin falls down...I'm curious how the 2024 movie will solve that (;
@@felicity1877 I had a VHS copy of that that one of my aunts or my grandfather when he went to Germany on his business trip he brought me back like an English dubbed version of the film it's called like Snow White and it was made in 1955 it was made by the film company Shönger... I literally remember as a little girl watching that tape until it almost basically wouldn't play anymore I basically kept the tape as a Nostalgia Factor because when VHS faded out of fashion I couldn't part with it. I do like with the 1955 version that the evil queen basically tried to kill her four times as it was originally mentioned in The Brothers Grimm version. I tend to like a lot of the live-action remakes as long as they adhere to The Brothers Grimm version or with this 2019 adaptation they make some twists on it but still keep somewhat of the original appeal.
@@samariapenaloza6106 Oh, interesting! I did like how they expanded also the plot with the hunter and the maid servant (as a second couple), and yet, honestly, I thought the prince in that movie kind of boring in comparison (;...(and in comparison to the Disney prince (; )...actually, Snow White was a tale I would rather watch rarely in comparison to other fairy tale adaptions...
@@felicity1877 the only other fairy tales that I really enjoy would be a 1976 version It's a Russian version they made it into a musical of The Little Mermaid and I really like that because it had music and it said it was basically a carbon copy of the Hans Christian Andersen version... which not a lot of people realize is that with the original Little Mermaid she didn't end up marrying the prince she died and basically turned into seafoam which a lot of adaptation I feel of that telling of the movie don't really tell that
Belle, Ariel, and Rapunzel. They're spunky go-getters, fun, and incredibly feminine. If we're counting Mulan as a princess, then she's definitely a favorite as well
I love the Rugrats parody special of this. Tales from the crib. They only ever did two of these episodes. The other one being three jacks and a beanstalk. I like the Snow White one more. It was more accurate than the Disney version. That’s just me personally. You remember them at all?
Somehow I had big hopes that Zegler would be like Maria as Snow White. And if we take a look at the 1937 ending, that's definitely a "love story ending". The original tale wasn't as much and the Brothers Grimm would rather end with the court scene with the evil queen's punishment. Generally, the Disney movies were largely more romantic and less political...but they became the "standard status quo" versions...and I just don't understand why Disney never talks so openly about their source material...such like The Little Mermaid live action included many references to Andersen's original tale...
After rewatching West Side Story, for this video. I agree that Zegler as Snow White makes sense on paper. Maria and Snow White are very similar. I believe if this drama didn't happen, maybe people would have seen that.
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed Actually, when I saw Zegler on the West Side Story poster, I thought someone should cast her as Snow White...I think also the white dress with red belt gave me exactly these vibes...I was thrilled that Disney casted her, and was so shocked about this backlash...times are so heated....
I still have yet to see that version of Cinderella, but everyone says good things about it. Hopefully, someday it comes to Disney Plus because I would love to watch it!
Zegler likely doesn't understand kindness. It's a common disease, in other times, as well as the current one. Jesus Christ was seen as insane for offering kindness when people wanted a conquering military messiah. Yet, kindness is both an underrated and consistently needed virtue. When Kenneth Branagh did Cinderella, he states he wanted to approach it as kindness being a super-power, and that's why his new movie will endure. CS Lewis wrote in an essay, The Necessity of Chivalry, that a true chivalric character (modern example, Mulan), is a contradiction, because they can be kind, meek, whilst also enduring the battlefield and the sight of faces smashed in, both kind and warlike. Lewis points out that most people think to be tough, one must eschew kindness, giving the example of the war criminal Achilles. In contrast, Lewis gives an example of Sir Lancelot being meek before women, though a far better example would be Sir Gawain from Tolkien's translation of the Green Knight. Modern people seem to think one must be like Achilles to be strong, underestimating the strength of kindness like like so many fairy tale women's whose kindness can defeat the strongest of witches, like the Russian Vasilisa overcoming Baba Yaga. Thanks for pointing out it was an accidental heimlich maneuver that woke the original Snow White. The kiss breaking the spell was a Disney invention. In the original Sleeping Beauty where the prince is the one to awaken her, he has to waken her because only a prince can, which he does by speaking, or calling her out of her slumber. Although it was probably a mistake on Disney's part to have the prince break the spell through true love's kiss, he likely did it to feed into the romantic escapsim of his film. At least it was a light peck, a farewell kiss, like the movie Aragorn does for movie Boromir. It's not like the Prince frenched a corpse and that woke her up. When Prince Philip later does it for Sleeping Beauty, he knows it's what will break the curse and also does a light peck, here it being the equivalent to giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
I don't think this is a fair assumption to make about someone, including Zegler. Did she make a mistake, yes. But that doesn't mean she lacks kindness. It just means she has to be more mindful, which comes with maturity. I truly think she's talented, and I wish her the best.
@@naturalinstinct4950That's funny to object to preaching when the initial video examined how the contemporary interpretation seems deaf to the older morality story. The original Grimms Fairy Tale was compiled by the very religious Lutheran Brothers Grimm
@@CinemaOverAnalyzedShe has exhibited time and time again a lack of kindness, humility, and gratitude for what she's achieved and the opportunities she's been given. Ziegler constantly exhibits a disdain for those who came before her in an effort to prop up her own importance rather be grateful to those who have come before to contribute to her success. Saying she doesn't understand kindness was a more sympathetic way of looking at her moral failings. Ziegler's an adult, and maturity doesn't always come with age, it's a choice. There are plenty of people who achieve maturity in childhood or adolescence long before many other do in adulthood. It's right to wish her the best, but part of the best for her would be her admitting when she has been wrong, preferably privately rather than make a big show of it, so she can be a more moral person moving forward.
It kinda seems that almost everyone in Hollywood wanted strong female leads with no depths as a source of empowerment that the forget about the feminist spectrum, where there’s more to being female one being more girly and the other being a tomboy.
To be honest, I think the problem is the labels and adjectives to describe characters nowadays. Hollywood loves to tell you how amazing a characters without showing it. Movies need to get back to trusting their audience letting them explain for themselves why they enjoy a character's development. If you don't mind me asking: what do you think is the best example of an empowering female lead?
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed
- Korra from TLoK; w/ a development from brash & impulsive to passionate & humble.
- Mulan; learning to appreciate herself regardless of not meeting up with society expectations of her.
- Sarah Conner; from an everyday average young lady in the first movie to a badass mother in the sequel.
It has also been about replacing strong male leads with women.
Zegler has 7+ million dollars. That's more than most people earn in their lifetime. If she wants, she can do indie movies for the rest of her career. She can easily refuse job offerings that typecast her. She doesn't because of money, not because she doesn't have a choice.
I'm not a screenwriter or anything, and I don't care for these live action- adaptations at all.
But I think the golden rule if one wants to make a remake should be; don't change, expand.
The Prince for example, who might indeed come out as a stalker in the original movie, where does he come from and why was he there? Maybe he's plotting a rebellion against the Queen's evil rule.
And the Seven Dwarfs (or whatever they'll be called in this adaptation...), they seemed to know a thing or two about how evil the Queen is. Maybe they were thrown out of her kingdom and were forced to live in exile in the woods (I know; sounds like something from Shrek, but I don't care). They might wanna join in on this rebellion, or maybe they already are...
But the pure-hearted Snow White does not believe in violence and so she tries to teach them all a better way, and this is what makes the Prince fall in love with her.
Or maybe I'm just not "modern" enough...
You say you're no screenwriter, but I do appreciate your thoughts, my friend! I would agree with your statement "Don't change...expand." That should be on a golden plaque hanging in every writer's room...haha! I feel like there are a lot of interesting ways to expand on it. Adding more depth to the Prince and Dwarfs would be cool. But what I want to know is where the heck this Magic Mirror came from? And why is the Queen so obsessed with her looks? Is she immortal or does she have some traumatic backstory?
I might be in the same boat...I don't think I'm "hip" enough to understand the "modern" image....haha!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed Yes! The mirror and the Queen's backstory are excellent examples as well, especially considering that she refers to it as "Slave" in the magic mirror, and she knows dark magic. This alone makes for really good villain origins.
Every little girl's dream, at one time, was to find their Prince Charming or one true love who would rescue them from something. Then go away from with them and live in a castle, happily ever after. Much of that came from Disney's portrayals of the heroines of his movies; Cinderella, Snow White, Little Mermaid etc. Even Disney's later movies about talking dogs were about kindness, good and evil, respect and responsibility. Being a "housewife" and mother is not just about cooking and cleaning. It is always a multitude of other roles Disney needs to select their leading ladies better if the the girl hates the role she is supposed to portray. Going out and doing interviews is supposed to be a positive portrayal of the character not a cutdown of their role.
This doesn't make Disney or Zegler look good. I'm not sure what Zegler is trying to prove by bashing a Disney Princess? But I do hope this experience helps her become more humble and appreciative of her roles in the future.
If Zegler hates the Snow White story so much, why is she doing it? Oh, that’s easy to answer: money. Even though she was hand-picked by the Director, Zegler still should have been asked some basic questions in the beginning.
A lot has happened since you posted this video. It’s now been delayed to March 2025 and we got a photo of the seven dwarfs in all their CGI glory. Oh boy!
The only thing I find scary about the original movie is the forest scene near the start of the movie when she’s running for her life. It was just so spooky and dark. I had to often skip it.
It scared me back in the day as well. But now I think it's rather genius. It kind of reminds me of how Rugrats tackle the babies' fears in a creative way.
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed a similar scene happened in the Rugrats movie when Chuckie, Phil and Lil got separated from Tommy and Dil. Chuckie and Lil thought Phil was crushed by the tree.
Recently saw a German version of a live adaptation of Snow White that was made in like 2019 and it was actually pretty decent. Schneewittchen und der Zauber der zwerge. It was a good movie because they didn't make it as traditional the dwarfs had magic instead of marrying a Prince she married basically like a stable boy.
I know which version you mean, I'm from Germany...and rather grew up with only the German fairy tale adaptions instead of Disney...I think Disney takes huge inspiration from other fairy tale adaptions, such as I felt also for The Little Mermaid remake (reminded me of a recent German adaption). also the animated classic ones did always take some inspiration from what was fashionable around the time...and the animated Disney versions did influence again German and other fairy tale movies...The 1955 Snow White included also the prince meeting Snow White in the beginning and the witch's death through a lightning; the dwarfs were played by children and were the ones reviving Snow White, when the youngest one stumbles and the coffin falls down...I'm curious how the 2024 movie will solve that (;
I haven't seen the German version, myself. But It's always cool to see how to story gets expanded upon!
@@felicity1877 I had a VHS copy of that that one of my aunts or my grandfather when he went to Germany on his business trip he brought me back like an English dubbed version of the film it's called like Snow White and it was made in 1955 it was made by the film company Shönger... I literally remember as a little girl watching that tape until it almost basically wouldn't play anymore I basically kept the tape as a Nostalgia Factor because when VHS faded out of fashion I couldn't part with it. I do like with the 1955 version that the evil queen basically tried to kill her four times as it was originally mentioned in The Brothers Grimm version. I tend to like a lot of the live-action remakes as long as they adhere to The Brothers Grimm version or with this 2019 adaptation they make some twists on it but still keep somewhat of the original appeal.
@@samariapenaloza6106 Oh, interesting! I did like how they expanded also the plot with the hunter and the maid servant (as a second couple), and yet, honestly, I thought the prince in that movie kind of boring in comparison (;...(and in comparison to the Disney prince (; )...actually, Snow White was a tale I would rather watch rarely in comparison to other fairy tale adaptions...
@@felicity1877 the only other fairy tales that I really enjoy would be a 1976 version It's a Russian version they made it into a musical of The Little Mermaid and I really like that because it had music and it said it was basically a carbon copy of the Hans Christian Andersen version... which not a lot of people realize is that with the original Little Mermaid she didn't end up marrying the prince she died and basically turned into seafoam which a lot of adaptation I feel of that telling of the movie don't really tell that
Who's your favorite Disney Princess?
Belle, Ariel, and Rapunzel. They're spunky go-getters, fun, and incredibly feminine. If we're counting Mulan as a princess, then she's definitely a favorite as well
Moana- her willingness to stand up for herself and adventure for the good of her peopl makes her a great character.
I love the Rugrats parody special of this. Tales from the crib. They only ever did two of these episodes. The other one being three jacks and a beanstalk. I like the Snow White one more. It was more accurate than the Disney version. That’s just me personally. You remember them at all?
Full face cam! I love it. You look so cool you know that?
Oh thanks!
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed you’re welcome.
Somehow I had big hopes that Zegler would be like Maria as Snow White. And if we take a look at the 1937 ending, that's definitely a "love story ending". The original tale wasn't as much and the Brothers Grimm would rather end with the court scene with the evil queen's punishment. Generally, the Disney movies were largely more romantic and less political...but they became the "standard status quo" versions...and I just don't understand why Disney never talks so openly about their source material...such like The Little Mermaid live action included many references to Andersen's original tale...
After rewatching West Side Story, for this video. I agree that Zegler as Snow White makes sense on paper. Maria and Snow White are very similar. I believe if this drama didn't happen, maybe people would have seen that.
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed Actually, when I saw Zegler on the West Side Story poster, I thought someone should cast her as Snow White...I think also the white dress with red belt gave me exactly these vibes...I was thrilled that Disney casted her, and was so shocked about this backlash...times are so heated....
I guess the execution and craft of _Cinderella_ 2015 was a one time thing. Really sad.
I still have yet to see that version of Cinderella, but everyone says good things about it. Hopefully, someday it comes to Disney Plus because I would love to watch it!
Zegler likely doesn't understand kindness. It's a common disease, in other times, as well as the current one. Jesus Christ was seen as insane for offering kindness when people wanted a conquering military messiah. Yet, kindness is both an underrated and consistently needed virtue. When Kenneth Branagh did Cinderella, he states he wanted to approach it as kindness being a super-power, and that's why his new movie will endure. CS Lewis wrote in an essay, The Necessity of Chivalry, that a true chivalric character (modern example, Mulan), is a contradiction, because they can be kind, meek, whilst also enduring the battlefield and the sight of faces smashed in, both kind and warlike. Lewis points out that most people think to be tough, one must eschew kindness, giving the example of the war criminal Achilles. In contrast, Lewis gives an example of Sir Lancelot being meek before women, though a far better example would be Sir Gawain from Tolkien's translation of the Green Knight. Modern people seem to think one must be like Achilles to be strong, underestimating the strength of kindness like like so many fairy tale women's whose kindness can defeat the strongest of witches, like the Russian Vasilisa overcoming Baba Yaga.
Thanks for pointing out it was an accidental heimlich maneuver that woke the original Snow White. The kiss breaking the spell was a Disney invention. In the original Sleeping Beauty where the prince is the one to awaken her, he has to waken her because only a prince can, which he does by speaking, or calling her out of her slumber. Although it was probably a mistake on Disney's part to have the prince break the spell through true love's kiss, he likely did it to feed into the romantic escapsim of his film. At least it was a light peck, a farewell kiss, like the movie Aragorn does for movie Boromir. It's not like the Prince frenched a corpse and that woke her up. When Prince Philip later does it for Sleeping Beauty, he knows it's what will break the curse and also does a light peck, here it being the equivalent to giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
This is not the place to preach
I don't think this is a fair assumption to make about someone, including Zegler. Did she make a mistake, yes. But that doesn't mean she lacks kindness. It just means she has to be more mindful, which comes with maturity. I truly think she's talented, and I wish her the best.
@@naturalinstinct4950That's funny to object to preaching when the initial video examined how the contemporary interpretation seems deaf to the older morality story. The original Grimms Fairy Tale was compiled by the very religious Lutheran Brothers Grimm
@@CinemaOverAnalyzedShe has exhibited time and time again a lack of kindness, humility, and gratitude for what she's achieved and the opportunities she's been given. Ziegler constantly exhibits a disdain for those who came before her in an effort to prop up her own importance rather be grateful to those who have come before to contribute to her success. Saying she doesn't understand kindness was a more sympathetic way of looking at her moral failings. Ziegler's an adult, and maturity doesn't always come with age, it's a choice. There are plenty of people who achieve maturity in childhood or adolescence long before many other do in adulthood. It's right to wish her the best, but part of the best for her would be her admitting when she has been wrong, preferably privately rather than make a big show of it, so she can be a more moral person moving forward.