@@onesyphorus Exactly - they certainly exist and tuning systems like 10 equal sound really good. 5 equal is as low as you'd want to go and is a good if simple system; know of some microtonalist/xenharmonicists who have created 5 equal instruments for kids to get radical on; it's actually very close to one of the Gamelan scales
This is awesome, although dividing the frets by 2 doesn't actually give you an exact quarter tone. You actually have to take the 24th root of 2, multiply that number by your desired quarter tone position, (so If C is your 0th quarter tone, then C half sharp is the 1st quarter. Say the number you got is "n", then you add a fret that shortens your string by "(1/n)th" its length. Sorry if this was long winded, but hope that made sense.
@@asadimario5532 No worries, it's frankly hard to explain without proper equation formatting and I probably didn't word it well enough. Do read the Wikipedia article on "equal temperament" and let me know if you have any questions!
In other words, instead of using arithmetic mean, one would ideally use the geometric mean between two given semitone frets as the accurate position of the quarter tone fret. While arithmetic mean is calculated by dividing the sum of all values by the number of values: (x₁+x₂+...xₙ)/n, geometric mean is the nth root of the product of all values: ₙ√(x₁*x₂*...xₙ). However, I believe that in this case the difference between these two averages is too small to matter for practical purposes. If we take a guitar with a vibrating string length of 62cm, the exact quarter tone between the first and the second semitone will be at 5.15cm from the nut, while the arithmetic average between the two first frets will be at 5.12cm. That's less than a millimeter's difference.
I’m about to do this on a cheap acoustic. Been wanting to get Honey vibes for a while, but it was really great to see that it’s not an excessively difficult task and that it does sound really great without other instruments and stuff. Thanks!
Sick man! This is just what I needed. turning my “crap” Epiphone Les Paul Jr into a microtonal guitar to play those gizz songs! Especially with the new album out!
So to sum up the video, you need a saw glue and fret wires. It seems like you could skip a couple of the steps in this video like taking the other frets off and even taking the neck off. Mainly just make sure the frets are evenly spaced and also are even with the other frets.
Lol I want to build a baritone microtonal guitar SO much; I'm treating myself this Christmas and finally just ripping the bandaid off and doing it. Buying a microtonal guitar would be so expensive I can't find any cheap ones
@@CharlesMeriot well after talking with Tyler for a week I just paid my order today; I even gave him a $10 tip. If I like Microtonal as much as I think I will, one day I will send him a custom neck to have converted into microtonal one instead of ordering just what he has stock
Its easier to make all the hights match up if you install a fresh set. There are many different types and widths of fret wire and it can be difficult to match the old ones to the new ones.
@@CharlesMeriot so the division is equal in terms of logarithmic scale; not linear. The frequency of each tone is a multiple of the other (the multiplier is 2^(1/12) so that when you move 12 semitones; you multiply by 12 times, so each note's frequency is double the same note in the next octave) You will notice that on the regular guitar scale; the space between the frets are unequal. That's because to make the frequencies; they divide the scale in logarithmic progression. The distance, as they use in the wiki page for 24-TET is cents but it's a logarithmic scale. Think about it; an octave is double the frequency. A4 is generally 440Hz. Then A5 is 880Hz and A3 is 220Hz. The difference between such numbers is not the same; but if you look at their multipliers, one is double the next one always; that's what they mean by distance. For the regular guitar; if you measure distance from the bottom part of the string; the top part let's say lays at a distance L cm. The first fret will be at L/(2^(1/12)); the second fret at L/(2^(2/12)); etc. The formula for the distance will be, for the n'th fret, L/(2^(n/12)). For example; the 12th fret is 12 semitones up and must me one octave of the base string note right? One octave up means double the frequency and to produce that on a string you need half the length. On any guitar built for 12-TET, which is all regular guitars, the 12th fret will be at L/(2^(12/12)) or at L/2 right on the half spacing. You need to bust a calculator to calculate the proper spacing. If you do half distances, it will be slightly out of tune. Essentially instead of the divisor being 12; you make it 24 to get the proper microtonal spacings. Your guitar will be slightly out of tune on the microtonal sounds; since you just divided the space in 1/2 between each note spacing. There will be a frequency drift. I could possibly make a video explaining this better; we were talking on KG subreddit and people seem to not know this in general. BTW; i love your videos; but really wanted to point out in case people want to also do this. It will be slightly out of tune which is fine for jamming and playing; but it's not the proper way to do a microtonal guitar. I want to make my own 31-TET one at some point, so i love your methodology.
@@wolframitephoenix6737 very nice explanation! I'm just playing with the calculator and the numbers are pretty much the same as the ones provided by the FretFind2D webpage. I really got encouraged by @CharlesMeriot 's video to make this kind of neck and thank god I paid close attention to this comment before cutting into my fretboard. Thank you veeeery much!!
One suggestion I have is that you should hit the frets on sides of the fretboard and then in the middle. Also using a crowning file on the frets after you level them so that they play properly in tune. Otherwise a very good video and that neck looks a lot better than my first attempt!
I just finished putting $250 into a pink Strat Buller I got for $60 brand new at a pawn shop. The sound is amazing from the 2 hot rails and the one single coil. I was looking the last couple days on places to get the work done for a micro tonal neck. I like in central Florida and can’t find anyone unfortunately. I’m also lacking Of skills in woodwork. If anyone knows someone I could get the frets done by, they’re already smooth as hell. I just need some extra frets put it. Don’t wanna put them in my Dean or my Gibson Lucielle or anything nice. Unless you guys think I should. I’m primarily a drummer, but I dabble in guitar.
Its easier to make all the hights match up if you install a fresh set. There are many different types and widths of fret wire and it can be difficult to match the old ones to the new ones.
Thank you for your effort, impressive work! It seems you have to adjust the new fret positions a bit for better quarter notes and normal notes, I think it is because you divided the space by 2 directly and guess 2/5 could be better, did not try, just guessing.
You should review the John Schneider Fretlet frets as an alternative option, Ive been looking into them and I’ve wanted a microtonal guitar for ages but that seems like the only time focused option.
no it’s not fret less, they’re called “fretlets” and they’re basically like frets without the bottom thingy and with adhesive on it so you can stick it to any neck
There's a very old youtube video showing how to do this which i think is where he would have got the idea from. It's a turkish sound btw rather than a 'king gizzard' sound.
I have to say that this is the right way but that many things could have gone wrong in this project. Luck will always protect the brave. Congratulations. DIY luthier tools or custom adapted tools are extremely inexpensive so I don't consider this an obstacle for anyone. Find out a little about this before starting the project, please, it doesn't hurt too much. Yet very inspiring video. There is also something that is quartal harmony and is different than microtonalism. Microtonalism is much more complex and mathematical than dividing the octave into 24 semi-tones.
Its easier to make all the hights match up if you install a fresh set. There are many different types and widths of fret wire and it can be difficult to match the old ones to the new ones.
Its easier to make all the hights match up if you install a fresh set. There are many different types and widths of fret wire and it can be difficult to match the old ones to the new ones.
Where do you buy frets? Also can you still get the gizz sound with putting an extra fret between 1, 3 and the others not mentioned? I figured it wouldn’t make a difference but I just want to have all the info before I start this project
refretting is a bit too skillful for me, I use neck extensions to make 16, 17, 19 (non even ) tone guitars. even easier, in the past I used a false bridge to make 9, 10, 11 (non even ) tone. and today I was thinking a false nut in between the real nut and the first fret could be interesting and easy. also, turning pickups sideways for separate strings outputs, and using midi flip variations to create backing tracks, is handy
I'm wondering why you removed the previously placed frets? I am looking to do this and was thinking I would leave the ones already in there, and simply put in the quarter tone ones.
If the new frets don't have the same height as the old ones, you'd have to do a lot of fret leveling, taking away a lot of material. If you use the same fret wire for everything, you'll actually make it easier fo yourself.
@@andreasb7939 Thanks for the reply. I actually figured this out the hard way, but after a lot of sanding it came out alright! Great video, it helped a lot.
In the Turkish music culture, we already use that in bağlama or saz (like gizzard :)). When I first saw the guitar keyboard recognized saz so fast. It is nice to see modern folk-rock culture still use that.
You should use logarithm progression because the geometric center is not the center of a quarter tone. Get in touch if you still need the math behind the construction
Bad Snacks - New Year, it's from the youtube free music library and Bad Snacks is def one of the best one's in there :) ua-cam.com/video/ItcxXLSM1dM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NoCopyrightAudioLibrary
@@Ian-mx4vp you don't need to remove any frets, unless your original frets are all worn out this is time and money wasting, specially if you never did that before cuz you might damage the fretboard in doing so. Just put the frets for the new notes you want and level everything with a straight edge and sandpaper, you would need to do so anyway to get properly leveled frets even if you changed all of them for new frets of the same brand, this guy clearly doesn´t have any luthier experience.
Very cool! Did you file the nut to make room for thicker strings to accommodate the lowered tuning, or does it work fine with regular .010s or what you are using?
@@cadenbenton6235 this is just stupid thinking. squires fretwork is usually fine, not only that but his fret install was terrible. so many crooked, not properly set, and unlevel frets. not only that but none of them are glued in. he also used a metal hammer to get the frets in, which will dent the frets. also no crowning job. these are all mistakes fender would never make with their quire guitars.
I have a cheap acoustic guitar that I'm planning on doing this for. Also, why get rid of the original frets? I was thinking you could just add in the microtonal frets and leave the original frets on the neck.
Thank you!! Very fun to watch. Lining up a PayPal donation right now, thank you for all the videos you make and the effort you put in to these. I get so much out of your videos! Edit: it's not finding you by name search on PayPal:( I've tried CharlesMeriot, charles meriot, and @charlesmeriot
@@CharlesMeriot Certainly! Thank you for what you do! I've taken more in theory and ideas than I've given haha, time to give back. Okay great, I'll give that a shot
@@2Large4U yo good luck! and thanks so much man I really appreciate you watching my vids all this time it really means a lot and helps me continue making these!! xx
Question for anyone who knows more music theory than I do, I am going to attempt this on one of my guitars, but I play in C standard, should I use this same fret layout or would it make more sense to alter it somehow? Not sure if it would make a difference or not.. Edit: PS I'm going to try to make some drone/doom metal.
Hey I mean sounds fine to me :P i have been playing the gizz tuning c# f# c# f# b e because it is open tuning and basically its a bit "easier" to sound good... Im not sure where they got that from tho. For all the heavier stuff I always drop the low E down like a step ie drop D to sound more metal but idk its up to you :)
I seen some say this sort of system isn't necessarily the best - it's basically a subset of 24EDO which makes it a slightly simpler fudge - it favours some arabic quartertones like neutral 3rds but a different subset might work better esp with a different string tuning and a full 24 tones widens the possibilities massively and every key has all possibilities rather than different quartertones appearing in different keys; I can't guess how different string tuning might work since I use other equal tuning systems except on my keyboard which I mostly tune in 'just intonation' which is a whole bunch of tuning systems based on a different principle (whole number ratios)
Hey, thanx for the great video! :) It motivated me to do the same. I have a Squier Telecaster Neck and I am not really sure if i have to get rid of all the frets or if i can just add the new frets if i order the standard fender frets. Because I am worried to damage the neck with removing the frets.
hey man! I mean up to you, you can technically just add the frets if you want, I just took them off because I wanted to make sure they were all the same. otherwise it really doesnt damage the wood much anyway! plz like and subscribe and click the links in bio
please, how do you know which King Gizzard scale applies to your music? do they have a scaling system of their own? or is it based on some oriental or do they just split the semitone cent in half? I have no idea how to learn to play a song from them.
Theres not really ONE scale... the tuning has a very unique sound C# F# c# f# b e and the microtonal notes are only used to accentuate tension rather than really a full note. It's like passing notes they will but microtonal on the 6th and sometimes 2nd ish of try dorian scale, they will switch between that, and Aeolian usually...
@@CharlesMeriot OK. Thanks for the feedback. I am trying to do an academic article on microtonalism of music made today, I study at a Brazilian university. I really wanted to know how to theoretically expose the system of just one King Gizzard song as an example. Did you find this out by ear? or is there any material from them?
Hahah thanks :) one is plenty! basically affiliate links mean if you click, I get a tiny percentage of what you buy, if you buy something off amazon in the next 30 days
Yeah I guess this feels like a normal guitar with more frets whereas playing a fretless is prob more similar to say a violin in terms of neck. Fretless also will sound a lot more slide-y if that makes sense claude. Plz like and sub and click and the amazon links in bio :)
Oh god, do not put the frets in the middle. That will give you the wrong intonation. You should cut them in a weird non rational ratio, namely: 1/sqrt(2) which is about 0.707
One person that disliked owns a macrotonal guitar company
Hahaha
LESS than 12 notes
all 19 of their employees found this
ooh, it just clicked to mean what macrotones are... less than 12... lol
@@onesyphorus Exactly - they certainly exist and tuning systems like 10 equal sound really good. 5 equal is as low as you'd want to go and is a good if simple system; know of some microtonalist/xenharmonicists who have created 5 equal instruments for kids to get radical on; it's actually very close to one of the Gamelan scales
I don't even own a regular guitar, but my love for King Giz and diy tempts me hard...
haha time to start :P plz like and sub and press all the links in description :)
Microtonal guitars are so damn cool it hurts - that said they system KGLW use isn't the most exciting system.
I’m so happy this comment exists. DIY forever
This is awesome, although dividing the frets by 2 doesn't actually give you an exact quarter tone. You actually have to take the 24th root of 2, multiply that number by your desired quarter tone position, (so If C is your 0th quarter tone, then C half sharp is the 1st quarter. Say the number you got is "n", then you add a fret that shortens your string by "(1/n)th" its length.
Sorry if this was long winded, but hope that made sense.
I’m reading your comment over and over again and it honestly doesn’t make that much sense. That said, thanks for the heads up!
@@asadimario5532 No worries, it's frankly hard to explain without proper equation formatting and I probably didn't word it well enough.
Do read the Wikipedia article on "equal temperament" and let me know if you have any questions!
In other words, instead of using arithmetic mean, one would ideally use the geometric mean between two given semitone frets as the accurate position of the quarter tone fret. While arithmetic mean is calculated by dividing the sum of all values by the number of values: (x₁+x₂+...xₙ)/n, geometric mean is the nth root of the product of all values: ₙ√(x₁*x₂*...xₙ). However, I believe that in this case the difference between these two averages is too small to matter for practical purposes. If we take a guitar with a vibrating string length of 62cm, the exact quarter tone between the first and the second semitone will be at 5.15cm from the nut, while the arithmetic average between the two first frets will be at 5.12cm. That's less than a millimeter's difference.
@@Zaphod313 Yes thank you, your explanation is better. Arithmetic mean vs Geometric mean being the key difference here
If you measure between two frets, dont you just need 1/sqrt2?
this is crazy man, props for doing it. I'm afraid of messing it up so I will probably just buy a neck
Haha nice check out tyler he can help you out :)
a guitar repair guy should be able to do it fairly cheap - I have had several necks done with different microtonal systems
I’m about to do this on a cheap acoustic. Been wanting to get Honey vibes for a while, but it was really great to see that it’s not an excessively difficult task and that it does sound really great without other instruments and stuff. Thanks!
Go for it! Thanks for watching good luck :)
Sick man! This is just what I needed. turning my “crap” Epiphone Les Paul Jr into a microtonal guitar to play those gizz songs! Especially with the new album out!
Glad it helps :P lmk how it goes
You can use the other side of the callipers to measure distance between the frets more accurate
Oh nice thanks :) plz like and sub and click all those amazon links for me :P
So to sum up the video, you need a saw glue and fret wires. It seems like you could skip a couple of the steps in this video like taking the other frets off and even taking the neck off. Mainly just make sure the frets are evenly spaced and also are even with the other frets.
For anyone wanting to do this, I would highly recommend a cheap fret press so you don't damage the frets trying to hammer them in
Thanks mate, I really needed to know how to make one, king gizzard inspire me so I wanted to sound like them as much as possible!
do it!! #microtonalgang hit TP guitars up for tips link in description
Lol I want to build a baritone microtonal guitar SO much; I'm treating myself this Christmas and finally just ripping the bandaid off and doing it. Buying a microtonal guitar would be so expensive I can't find any cheap ones
hit tp guitars up he can make you a custom neck for a good price link in description :) join us #microtonalgang
@@CharlesMeriot lol just sent him a message; I'll tell you how it goes
@@CharlesMeriot well after talking with Tyler for a week I just paid my order today; I even gave him a $10 tip. If I like Microtonal as much as I think I will, one day I will send him a custom neck to have converted into microtonal one instead of ordering just what he has stock
Great video and thanks for featuring my old video!!! I hope that you will enjoy all the new possibilities in terms of scales.
yes will definitely :) please like and subscribe and click all the links in bio:P
Quite possibly the only video I’ve ever wanted
Hahah yes! Plz like and sub and click all those links in bio for support!
this is quality info
lol thanks ned! plz like and sub and press all the links in description :)
Why did you take out all frets and didn't just add the new ones in between?
Its easier to make all the hights match up if you install a fresh set. There are many different types and widths of fret wire and it can be difficult to match the old ones to the new ones.
You should not be dividing the linear distance by 2 for 24-TET; it ends up different then half-semitone distance in frequency.
?? how? Wiki: "quarter-tone scale (24 equal temperament...divides the octave into 24 equal steps"
@@CharlesMeriot so the division is equal in terms of logarithmic scale; not linear. The frequency of each tone is a multiple of the other (the multiplier is 2^(1/12) so that when you move 12 semitones; you multiply by 12 times, so each note's frequency is double the same note in the next octave) You will notice that on the regular guitar scale; the space between the frets are unequal. That's because to make the frequencies; they divide the scale in logarithmic progression. The distance, as they use in the wiki page for 24-TET is cents but it's a logarithmic scale. Think about it; an octave is double the frequency. A4 is generally 440Hz. Then A5 is 880Hz and A3 is 220Hz. The difference between such numbers is not the same; but if you look at their multipliers, one is double the next one always; that's what they mean by distance.
For the regular guitar; if you measure distance from the bottom part of the string; the top part let's say lays at a distance L cm. The first fret will be at L/(2^(1/12)); the second fret at L/(2^(2/12)); etc. The formula for the distance will be, for the n'th fret, L/(2^(n/12)). For example; the 12th fret is 12 semitones up and must me one octave of the base string note right? One octave up means double the frequency and to produce that on a string you need half the length. On any guitar built for 12-TET, which is all regular guitars, the 12th fret will be at L/(2^(12/12)) or at L/2 right on the half spacing.
You need to bust a calculator to calculate the proper spacing. If you do half distances, it will be slightly out of tune. Essentially instead of the divisor being 12; you make it 24 to get the proper microtonal spacings. Your guitar will be slightly out of tune on the microtonal sounds; since you just divided the space in 1/2 between each note spacing. There will be a frequency drift.
I could possibly make a video explaining this better; we were talking on KG subreddit and people seem to not know this in general.
BTW; i love your videos; but really wanted to point out in case people want to also do this. It will be slightly out of tune which is fine for jamming and playing; but it's not the proper way to do a microtonal guitar. I want to make my own 31-TET one at some point, so i love your methodology.
@@wolframitephoenix6737 oh i see.. you are a man of science as well.. good explanation, i like that.
@@wolframitephoenix6737 very nice explanation! I'm just playing with the calculator and the numbers are pretty much the same as the ones provided by the FretFind2D webpage. I really got encouraged by @CharlesMeriot 's video to make this kind of neck and thank god I paid close attention to this comment before cutting into my fretboard. Thank you veeeery much!!
@@wolframitephoenix6737 can't you do a video yourself??? i want an accurate video.
I plan on making a microtonal bass with a DIY Bass kit on eBay. I'm greenlit so far, and Christmas do be coming up quick
Do it
@@CharlesMeriot I'll try
Good luck!!!
@@pisspp9059 thank you man, you da best
How did it go?
I've been waiting for it for ages!!!! Thanks!!!
nw jay thanks for the comment!
Cool guitar! Good work!
thanks :)
One suggestion I have is that you should hit the frets on sides of the fretboard and then in the middle. Also using a crowning file on the frets after you level them so that they play properly in tune. Otherwise a very good video and that neck looks a lot better than my first attempt!
very cool this deserves more views
haha thanks! Yeah! more Views!
How can you own things like a file and a caliper without even owning a screwdriver or a hammer?
I just finished putting $250 into a pink Strat Buller I got for $60 brand new at a pawn shop. The sound is amazing from the 2 hot rails and the one single coil.
I was looking the last couple days on places to get the work done for a micro tonal neck. I like in central Florida and can’t find anyone unfortunately. I’m also lacking Of skills in woodwork.
If anyone knows someone I could get the frets done by, they’re already smooth as hell. I just need some extra frets put it.
Don’t wanna put them in my Dean or my Gibson Lucielle or anything nice. Unless you guys think I should.
I’m primarily a drummer, but I dabble in guitar.
Yo contact microtonalnecks.com he gotchu
This Video revitalized my interests for Guitars
Whats the point in removing the frets that are already there?
Its easier to make all the hights match up if you install a fresh set. There are many different types and widths of fret wire and it can be difficult to match the old ones to the new ones.
4:24 Draw and X from each corner.?. That should give you the center.
eould have been useful a month ago but luckily i stull got it built
lol sorry doing my best sock :)
didnt know i needed this
hahaa now you do :)
Thank you for your effort, impressive work! It seems you have to adjust the new fret positions a bit for better quarter notes and normal notes, I think it is because you divided the space by 2 directly and guess 2/5 could be better, did not try, just guessing.
interesting indeed
dope stuff mang
Thank u
Love this video but me like several others are curious-why remove the other frets just to refret them?
You should review the John Schneider Fretlet frets as an alternative option, Ive been looking into them and I’ve wanted a microtonal guitar for ages but that seems like the only time focused option.
yeah thanks for the suggestion :) I think fretless has quite a different sound though, as if you were using a slide
no it’s not fret less, they’re called “fretlets” and they’re basically like frets without the bottom thingy and with adhesive on it so you can stick it to any neck
@@rman3098 oh really cool, I'll look into it :D
@@rman3098 There's also the very dyi and crappy equivalent of using zip ties if you just want to do it non-permanently.
Thanks for this video! I've been thinking about trying this and this might a sign to go and do it.
Haha yeah orjust reach out to tyler on twitter link in descr he'll help u
Thanks you guy 👍👍👍
There's a very old youtube video showing how to do this which i think is where he would have got the idea from. It's a turkish sound btw rather than a 'king gizzard' sound.
Tu gères ! Merci l'ami !
I have to say that this is the right way but that many things could have gone wrong in this project. Luck will always protect the brave. Congratulations. DIY luthier tools or custom adapted tools are extremely inexpensive so I don't consider this an obstacle for anyone. Find out a little about this before starting the project, please, it doesn't hurt too much. Yet very inspiring video. There is also something that is quartal harmony and is different than microtonalism. Microtonalism is much more complex and mathematical than dividing the octave into 24 semi-tones.
thanks for the kind words Joao! You are very correct :) please like and subscribe and click all the links in my bio for support plz x
awesome tutorial man! I'm definitely gonna try this on one of my spare cheap guitars
one question why are you removing frets when you just adding new frets, and not moving already existing to other points?
Its easier to make all the hights match up if you install a fresh set. There are many different types and widths of fret wire and it can be difficult to match the old ones to the new ones.
@@Reecetafarian ah ye make sense thank you. waiting for a bit warmer days to make mine got everything what need.
Ty Charles! I so wanna learn sleep drifter
sleep drifter sleep drifteer
@@CharlesMeriot lol
Great video, dude! I really enjoyed watching this.
Thanks martin! Please like and subscribe and click all those links in desc for me :P
@@CharlesMeriot just subbed! Looking forward for more Gizz covers! 🤘
Thanks so much man!!! (:
Ofc
Nice infos, why would you take off all the frets tho ?
Its easier to make all the hights match up if you install a fresh set. There are many different types and widths of fret wire and it can be difficult to match the old ones to the new ones.
Great job!!!
Where do you buy frets? Also can you still get the gizz sound with putting an extra fret between 1, 3 and the others not mentioned? I figured it wouldn’t make a difference but I just want to have all the info before I start this project
refretting is a bit too skillful for me, I use neck extensions to make 16, 17, 19 (non even ) tone guitars. even easier, in the past I used a false bridge to make 9, 10, 11 (non even ) tone. and today I was thinking a false nut in between the real nut and the first fret could be interesting and easy. also, turning pickups sideways for separate strings outputs, and using midi flip variations to create backing tracks, is handy
I'm wondering why you removed the previously placed frets? I am looking to do this and was thinking I would leave the ones already in there, and simply put in the quarter tone ones.
If the new frets don't have the same height as the old ones, you'd have to do a lot of fret leveling, taking away a lot of material. If you use the same fret wire for everything, you'll actually make it easier fo yourself.
@@andreasb7939 Thanks for the reply. I actually figured this out the hard way, but after a lot of sanding it came out alright! Great video, it helped a lot.
In the Turkish music culture, we already use that in bağlama or saz (like gizzard :)). When I first saw the guitar keyboard recognized saz so fast. It is nice to see modern folk-rock culture still use that.
What tuning?
cool! let’s change the pickups!
Hahah I don't mind start a pickups fund on venmo donate with Pickups in caption :P
7:51 whats that song? Its really nice and transmit a lot of emotion
And yes great DIY work!! Well done!
@@crcsector9 got it from youtube free music ua-cam.com/video/pMffspVM3no/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LIMORecordingStudio
What’s the song your played at 8:00
Random jamming :)
You should use logarithm progression because the geometric center is not the center of a quarter tone. Get in touch if you still need the math behind the construction
Geometric center of deez nuts lol
2:59 song name please?
Bad Snacks - New Year, it's from the youtube free music library and Bad Snacks is def one of the best one's in there :)
ua-cam.com/video/ItcxXLSM1dM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NoCopyrightAudioLibrary
which pickup did you use whilst recording the song you were playing at 7:58?
Like bottom -2 I think
Is there a need to remove the initial frets?
I did it to be 100% sure that they would br leveled but idk ask TP guitars on twitter
@@CharlesMeriot aight will do
@@dylan-kt7kd did u get a response from them on twitter? id like to know if i should remove mine as well
@@Ian-mx4vp you don't need to remove any frets, unless your original frets are all worn out this is time and money wasting, specially if you never did that before cuz you might damage the fretboard in doing so. Just put the frets for the new notes you want and level everything with a straight edge and sandpaper, you would need to do so anyway to get properly leveled frets even if you changed all of them for new frets of the same brand, this guy clearly doesn´t have any luthier experience.
@@tiagodoresalmeida thanks my guy, helps a lot :)
Very cool! Did you file the nut to make room for thicker strings to accommodate the lowered tuning, or does it work fine with regular .010s or what you are using?
Atm am using regular strings tuned c# f# c# f# b e like this gizzard microtonal stuff... .09-.42
whyd you remove the original frets? whats the point
to do more work
@@CharlesMeriot probably was worth it because you were working on a Squier neck and the original fret job was probably not as good as the one you did
@@cadenbenton6235 this is just stupid thinking. squires fretwork is usually fine, not only that but his fret install was terrible. so many crooked, not properly set, and unlevel frets. not only that but none of them are glued in. he also used a metal hammer to get the frets in, which will dent the frets. also no crowning job. these are all mistakes fender would never make with their quire guitars.
I have a cheap acoustic guitar that I'm planning on doing this for.
Also, why get rid of the original frets? I was thinking you could just add in the microtonal frets and leave the original frets on the neck.
Cause otherwise the new frets won't match the heights of the old ones
Awesome
Are this jumbo frets? They look big.
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@@CharlesMeriot Certainly! Thank you for what you do! I've taken more in theory and ideas than I've given haha, time to give back. Okay great, I'll give that a shot
@@2Large4U haha really appreciate it man! Yeah time to join the microtonal gang
@@CharlesMeriot Haha yes very soon, I'm still working with 12 TET so I'll get there 😎 lol
@@2Large4U yo good luck! and thanks so much man I really appreciate you watching my vids all this time it really means a lot and helps me continue making these!! xx
Question for anyone who knows more music theory than I do, I am going to attempt this on one of my guitars, but I play in C standard, should I use this same fret layout or would it make more sense to alter it somehow? Not sure if it would make a difference or not..
Edit: PS I'm going to try to make some drone/doom metal.
Hey I mean sounds fine to me :P i have been playing the gizz tuning c# f# c# f# b e because it is open tuning and basically its a bit "easier" to sound good... Im not sure where they got that from tho. For all the heavier stuff I always drop the low E down like a step ie drop D to sound more metal but idk its up to you :)
I seen some say this sort of system isn't necessarily the best - it's basically a subset of 24EDO which makes it a slightly simpler fudge - it favours some arabic quartertones like neutral 3rds but a different subset might work better esp with a different string tuning and a full 24 tones widens the possibilities massively and every key has all possibilities rather than different quartertones appearing in different keys; I can't guess how different string tuning might work since I use other equal tuning systems except on my keyboard which I mostly tune in 'just intonation' which is a whole bunch of tuning systems based on a different principle (whole number ratios)
Hi dear why did you remove the frets at beginning?
so they're all the same
@@CharlesMeriot thanks dear for your reply
Hey, thanx for the great video! :) It motivated me to do the same. I have a Squier Telecaster Neck and I am not really sure if i have to get rid of all the frets or if i can just add the new frets if i order the standard fender frets. Because I am worried to damage the neck with removing the frets.
hey man! I mean up to you, you can technically just add the frets if you want, I just took them off because I wanted to make sure they were all the same. otherwise it really doesnt damage the wood much anyway! plz like and subscribe and click the links in bio
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@@CharlesMeriot kannst du in Englisch antworten oder Deutsch?
Why do you need to take frets out. Can't you just put frets in between the preexisting ones.
tuning? sounds like u use different tuning
or different strings?
@@binarahmad6050 yes I didnt mention it, its the gizzard tuning from Flying Microtonal Banana - C# F# C# F# B E
@@CharlesMeriot thank you!
Too cool man. You should find 6 other guys and do complete covers of King Gizz songs. lol
Lol yeah I have plans but need more $
please, how do you know which King Gizzard scale applies to your music? do they have a scaling system of their own? or is it based on some oriental or do they just split the semitone cent in half? I have no idea how to learn to play a song from them.
Theres not really ONE scale... the tuning has a very unique sound C# F# c# f# b e and the microtonal notes are only used to accentuate tension rather than really a full note. It's like passing notes they will but microtonal on the 6th and sometimes 2nd ish of try dorian scale, they will switch between that, and Aeolian usually...
@@CharlesMeriot OK. Thanks for the feedback. I am trying to do an academic article on microtonalism of music made today, I study at a Brazilian university. I really wanted to know how to theoretically expose the system of just one King Gizzard song as an example. Did you find this out by ear? or is there any material from them?
What is the tuning?
"When you click the link its helps"
Me- well shit clicking links aint hard fuck it ill click every single one
Hahah thanks :) one is plenty! basically affiliate links mean if you click, I get a tiny percentage of what you buy, if you buy something off amazon in the next 30 days
What’s the first song you played on the guitar?
Timestamp?
@@CharlesMeriot 8:00
Just curious-what's the advantage to this over just going full on fretless?
Yeah I guess this feels like a normal guitar with more frets whereas playing a fretless is prob more similar to say a violin in terms of neck. Fretless also will sound a lot more slide-y if that makes sense claude. Plz like and sub and click and the amazon links in bio :)
What sound are you playing about 8 minutes in?
Was from youtube free music called Oud Dance if I remember correctly
I just watched it I’m not sure if that was it. It was the first song you played on the guitar
I just got mine up and running after watching your video now I’m trying to learn some songs with it
Wish they’d make stick on frets hahaha
I’d totally do what ur doing but I have no experience with guitar tech and I’m afraid I’d destroy it haha
I have no idea what I was doing either its not as hard as you think! Otherwise hit Tyler up
check out microtnal guitar by a turkish dude. he is using matches and sticking it on the fret with cellular tape
@@mehmetkahraman3511 you can actually buy fretlets off him
@Piss Pp just get a guitar repairist to do it
YESSIR
Did you put in some new pickups or are those still stock in your microtonal covers? They sound good
nice
thanks!
a really hard work
When you notice he doesn’t know how to use calipers just flip em around and measure
Hahaha smh
Neck built, next question: how tf you play it 😂
8:34
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didnt know Justin Trudeau's brother was into guitar modding 😲 cool
Actually I am the real justin trudeau he is my twin brother who lied about his name and locked me in his basement :0
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thanks so much lol I really appreciate it reach :P that's awesome!!!!
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You need to know how a traditional arabic song sound so you can make a good microtonal riff
Search for
((عود شعبي))
In youtube
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Thanks bandi thats great :) I'll definitely check it out been looking for some good arabic riffs
There's a whole world of microtonal riffs with nothing in common with arabic microtones
@@johnsmith-ch7fg i know but most microtonal music is arabic or turkish which sound similar
4:12 AAAAAAAAAh you're not using the caliper correctly here, you should be using the other jaws
Oh god, do not put the frets in the middle. That will give you the wrong intonation.
You should cut them in a weird non rational ratio, namely: 1/sqrt(2) which is about 0.707
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