To me this was the most shocking part of the episode, when I realise they were really going to kill Q. So sad, I think the only character in TV ever to be a sympathetic representation of a person with major depression disorder
This was such a natural reaction normally when characters realize they’re dead it’s treated sadly but pretty calmly the way quentin reacted saying “what did I do” and “ it all happened so fast” it just seemed so real to me
I love quintens acting it makes me so happy to know that Jason went to the same high school I did and graduated just a year before I got there which really kinda sucks I would’ve loved to have met him in real life 😍
God I don't even know why I'm rewatching this. But this shit hit me so hard. I don't think Q could've have a happily ever after better than this though. Finally. At the end of it all. "Did I do something brave to save my friends? Or did I finally find a way to kill myself" That there was all his pain and suffering. Finally, when he saw his actions. The impact he had on people and their lives he could be more than his depression. More than his fucked up life. He was free from it all. Just being him. Doing something he wanted to do, not because of pain and suffering but because of love
Did I do something brave to save my friends or did I finally find a way to kill myself tgat line was just like the ultimate question to Quentin’s story of going from depression to finding happiness and how it’s shaped to the end 😭😭😭
I love that this moment of Qs journey was shared with Penny. Penny always thought Q was soft, but he never knew the background why. Now he does and it’s endearring
God, this scene has me in tears Every time I watch it. And props to Penny. After having an antagonist relationship with him for years, there's no judgement, no malice. Just one person being there for another.
As someone who has dealt with a lot of the same things that Q did, I found this scene to be so representative and easy to connect to. It was nuanced and messy and didn't try to put a big pink bow on the issue. So many people got upset with it, though.
I've watched this clip a number of times. I always interpreted Q's question about whether he did something brave to save his friends or if he finally found a way to kill himself as him forgetting exactly what happened because it all happened so fast and he lost some of it during the transition (kind of like how people lose memory around head trauma) but he has narrowed it down to those two possibilities. I watched it today again out of the blue and it occurred to me that he does remember everything that happened but is uncertain how he felt at the time. Whether his mind was clear in that moment and he did what he did out of bravery and love for the people he cares for. Or whether the part of him that struggles with depression and suicidal ideation clouded his judgment and he succumbed to it. I can understand where that would make him question whether his life made any difference, whether he had failed to live up to his potential, and ultimately given in to his greatest weakness. So then the next sequence when he visits his friends for the last time, it shows him how much his life had made a difference for all of them, and also how much his life with them had meant to him. Penny was wise here. He could have told Q that he had died bravely but, as he said, it only means anything if Q reveals it to himself. So rather than telling Q, he takes him so that Q can see it for himself.
The thing is tho, in the scene where Q dies, he has enough time to get out. He could have left with Alice and Penny, but he looks back, and the part of him that always struggled with depression and suicidal tendencies thought it could finally be the way he dies. It was only for a split second, because when he looks at Alice he realizes all the reasons he has to live, but that split second he looked back caused his fate to be sealed. So his question of “Did I do something brave to save my friends, or did I finally find a way to kill myself?” actually has both answers be correct. He did do something incredibly brave to save his friends, but he also finally managed to kill himself
OH MY GOD I WAS REWATCHING SEASON 4 AND, IN THE END OF EPISODE 7, PENNY GETS PROMOTED TO SECRETS TAKEN TO THE GRAVE AND THE LAST WORDS HE SAID IN THE EPISODE WERE "Hey, been a while. Welcome to the Underworld." WHAT THE FUCK FORESHADOW FTW
Well...the point of that scene was to make the audience ask themselves who was going to die. Wasn't as much foreshadowing as it was an intent to alert the people watching that this season is going to end with one less cast member.
the thing is, i believe he found a way to kill himself. yes he did heroically but he stops mid way, he just stops turns back to see and stays instead of just running and not looking back he stays.
I thought the “why didnt he run angle too” but the show foreshadowed through the whole season (and the previous one) that casting magic in the mirror world was a death sentence. So even if he ran, it would not have mattered. Therefore, I can’t use him not running as support that he wanted to commit suicide. I think he just made a sacrifice, but I don’t think he wanted to die or did anything to make it more likely.
@@stonathanjokes2142 This is it exactly. He lived his entire life wishing he were dead. But then he found something worth living for, and he sacrificed himself to protect it. Quentin's final act wasn't one of surrender to his depression, it was one of defiance.
Sucks, really connected with q. Felt like someone stabbed me in the heart every time I hear” did I do something brave?” line. I think it’s something everyone has thought at one time or another. That maybe some people in your life might gain something from your absence. Don’t get me wrong it’s the epitome of narcissism, to think your life could carry that much meaning either positive or negative, but still.
It’s narcissistic to think that your life or death could impact others? When I die if my family doesn’t experience at least a _year_ of depression and mourning I swear I’m haunting every single one of them.
There are a few hints in the show that kinda point to this being a different "Reality" or "Timeline" to the books, so that they could make changes such as this. S1E10 - Penny asks "Who are you" to Zelda and she Responds "You always ask the same questions" S1E10 - Zelda says "Penny, Alice, Eliot and Janet, you are all late", Margo responds "Actually, it's Margo", Zelda responds "This time". This is important as Margo is actually called "Janet" in the books. This episode was discussed with the author, and they approved this with Jason Ralph as he wanted to leave the show, and this was how they wanted the character to go out.
This reminds me of when Hope Mikaelson from Legacies erased her existence, but this, is WAY MORE PAINFUL AND MEANINGFUL AND I AM LITERALLY CRYING RIGHT NOW!😭😭💔
they have said he might come back for flashbacks or if they go to the afterlife but he's NEVER getting resurrected and honestly i'm good w that too many fantasy shows treat death as incontinent rather then the end
I dont understand the part where penny says that Q´s whole live got revealed and it only means something when Q is true to himself. Can somebody please explain that to me. Thank u so much
I would add that you get to know “where you’re going” after leaving the secrets to the grave room. I imagine whether you’re honest with yourself about your life has some impact on where you go.
This doesn't happen in the books so let's not consider this as canon.... cause this was super shitty and sent the wrong message to those struggling with suicide..... This was a horrible end and their explanation that "Not even the white male main is safe" was stupid. I'm a black man and I connected with Quinton in the books and the show. I was rooting for him. Thank god the books ending didn't turn out this way.
As someone who struggled with suicide, no this did not send the wrong message. Not even close. Quentin is a character who had internal struggle and contradictions. He kept fighting because he wanted to find a purpose in life, which is why he sought help at the institute in the first episode. Slowly over the course of the show, he begins finding a new reason to keep living. He meets individuals who became family to him. He even fights for a world against gods and demons. In the end he sacrifices himself for those same people he found and the same world he loved. When he questions himself in this scene it's because suicide is something he's always struggled with. He's worried that he died for nothing. What happens next? He goes to his funeral. He see's the people he loves gathered around mourning and honoring him. That's when it hits him that his death wasn't for nothing. That he did selflessly sacrifice himself so that those he loves can keep living. That's what the message is here. Acceptance. We struggle but we have the power to decide what our life means. It's realistic. The book ending for him is good if you want a nice fantasy happy ending, but that's all it is. A fantasy happy ending. This is a realistic ending for his character and it resonated with me deeply. The writer of the novels even loved this and pitched ideas himself for Quentin's end.
They really ruined the show for me in the last episodes of season 4. It really breaks my heart, I keep thinking of the show, but wow, I cannot get myself to continue after the choices they made in these last episodes of the season. Between reviving the Alice x Quentin ship (after the Quentin x Elliot teasing that was just very clearly bait) and then having Quentin die on top of that? I live with depression, and having him essentially kill himself was a no-no for me.
@@giovannyandrescortesrodrig2846 Not sure if you've watched the show yet, but Penny was a "Traveler" which was basically a being who can teleport anywhere they want, (in the second season) Penny made a deal with an organisation called "The Library" which manages all knowledge (including everyones "stories"). Long Story short Penny signed a contract for 1000 years, so even after he dies he still has to work for the Library in the "Underworld Branch", he works there for a while until he gets an "executive position" from Hades (spoiler) called "Secrets Taken to the grave" and that is why he is talking to Quentin after he died.
Late to replying to this but I liked season 5. After I got over the fact that he wasn't coming back that is. I think it ended well and would love to see a season 6.
"Did I do something brave to save my friends... or did I finally find a way to kill myself?" Will never not break me.
This scene broke me. So well acted. Could feel it
Probably the only show, the only scenario where it's beautiful.
Him crying whether he had killed himself or been brave broke me. Full circle to his beginnings and turmoil. Amazing
To me this was the most shocking part of the episode, when I realise they were really going to kill Q. So sad, I think the only character in TV ever to be a sympathetic representation of a person with major depression disorder
Yuzuru A the only moment on tv that made me shed a tear for
Yes, I have MDD and nothing helps, and... Quentin... 😭
Have a watch of Mr Robot. It's not the same but it is absolutely another good example along the same lines
Major props to the evolution of Penny and Q's friendship all the way to the end of the line.
Speaking of props, their cups are clearly empty LOL.
This was such a natural reaction normally when characters realize they’re dead it’s treated sadly but pretty calmly the way quentin reacted saying “what did I do” and “ it all happened so fast” it just seemed so real to me
I love quintens acting it makes me so happy to know that Jason went to the same high school I did and graduated just a year before I got there which really kinda sucks I would’ve loved to have met him in real life 😍
God I don't even know why I'm rewatching this. But this shit hit me so hard. I don't think Q could've have a happily ever after better than this though. Finally. At the end of it all. "Did I do something brave to save my friends? Or did I finally find a way to kill myself"
That there was all his pain and suffering. Finally, when he saw his actions. The impact he had on people and their lives he could be more than his depression. More than his fucked up life. He was free from it all. Just being him. Doing something he wanted to do, not because of pain and suffering but because of love
oh my god you get it, it’s still so sad that he had to leave the world to find happiness though.
Did I do something brave to save my friends or did I finally find a way to kill myself tgat line was just like the ultimate question to Quentin’s story of going from depression to finding happiness and how it’s shaped to the end 😭😭😭
I ask myself that all the time.
🥲
I love that this moment of Qs journey was shared with Penny. Penny always thought Q was soft, but he never knew the background why. Now he does and it’s endearring
I can see we are going to need the deluxe package
God, this scene has me in tears Every time I watch it. And props to Penny. After having an antagonist relationship with him for years, there's no judgement, no malice. Just one person being there for another.
This show has so many golden lines.
As someone who has dealt with a lot of the same things that Q did, I found this scene to be so representative and easy to connect to. It was nuanced and messy and didn't try to put a big pink bow on the issue. So many people got upset with it, though.
this part broke me worse than the song
I've watched this clip a number of times. I always interpreted Q's question about whether he did something brave to save his friends or if he finally found a way to kill himself as him forgetting exactly what happened because it all happened so fast and he lost some of it during the transition (kind of like how people lose memory around head trauma) but he has narrowed it down to those two possibilities. I watched it today again out of the blue and it occurred to me that he does remember everything that happened but is uncertain how he felt at the time. Whether his mind was clear in that moment and he did what he did out of bravery and love for the people he cares for. Or whether the part of him that struggles with depression and suicidal ideation clouded his judgment and he succumbed to it. I can understand where that would make him question whether his life made any difference, whether he had failed to live up to his potential, and ultimately given in to his greatest weakness. So then the next sequence when he visits his friends for the last time, it shows him how much his life had made a difference for all of them, and also how much his life with them had meant to him. Penny was wise here. He could have told Q that he had died bravely but, as he said, it only means anything if Q reveals it to himself. So rather than telling Q, he takes him so that Q can see it for himself.
The thing is tho, in the scene where Q dies, he has enough time to get out. He could have left with Alice and Penny, but he looks back, and the part of him that always struggled with depression and suicidal tendencies thought it could finally be the way he dies. It was only for a split second, because when he looks at Alice he realizes all the reasons he has to live, but that split second he looked back caused his fate to be sealed. So his question of “Did I do something brave to save my friends, or did I finally find a way to kill myself?” actually has both answers be correct. He did do something incredibly brave to save his friends, but he also finally managed to kill himself
The one dislike on this video is from Everett.
I cant even watch this again....😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔💔
lol i paused it as soon as it started hahaha..
“Did I do something brave to save my friends, or did I finally find a way to kill myself” -Quentin Coldwater
OH MY GOD I WAS REWATCHING SEASON 4 AND, IN THE END OF EPISODE 7, PENNY GETS PROMOTED TO SECRETS TAKEN TO THE GRAVE AND THE LAST WORDS HE SAID IN THE EPISODE WERE "Hey, been a while. Welcome to the Underworld." WHAT THE FUCK FORESHADOW FTW
Well...the point of that scene was to make the audience ask themselves who was going to die. Wasn't as much foreshadowing as it was an intent to alert the people watching that this season is going to end with one less cast member.
Ive never releted to a character more than q
Same
never thought I would like anyone else so much after Jon snow character, but here is another honorable man his name is quentin.
Overall I think I disliked Q for the same reason that I can relate to him. Even though I hate losing main characters I love how they did this.
I wish I could find my Brakebills.
the thing is, i believe he found a way to kill himself. yes he did heroically but he stops mid way, he just stops turns back to see and stays instead of just running and not looking back he stays.
The view from half way down
I thought the “why didnt he run angle too” but the show foreshadowed through the whole season (and the previous one) that casting magic in the mirror world was a death sentence. So even if he ran, it would not have mattered. Therefore, I can’t use him not running as support that he wanted to commit suicide. I think he just made a sacrifice, but I don’t think he wanted to die or did anything to make it more likely.
@@stonathanjokes2142 This is it exactly. He lived his entire life wishing he were dead. But then he found something worth living for, and he sacrificed himself to protect it. Quentin's final act wasn't one of surrender to his depression, it was one of defiance.
@@cugamer8862 beautifully said.
I can never think of "Did I do something brave to save my friends... or did I finally find a way to kill myself?" without just crying my eyes out.
Sucks, really connected with q. Felt like someone stabbed me in the heart every time I hear” did I do something brave?” line. I think it’s something everyone has thought at one time or another. That maybe some people in your life might gain something from your absence. Don’t get me wrong it’s the epitome of narcissism, to think your life could carry that much meaning either positive or negative, but still.
How’s it the epitome of narcissism
It’s narcissistic to think that your life or death could impact others? When I die if my family doesn’t experience at least a _year_ of depression and mourning I swear I’m haunting every single one of them.
Fucking hell I knew already going into this video I was going to be bawling my eyes out but Dear god the vulnerability Quentin shows in this scene 😭😭😭
There are a few hints in the show that kinda point to this being a different "Reality" or "Timeline" to the books, so that they could make changes such as this.
S1E10 - Penny asks "Who are you" to Zelda and she Responds "You always ask the same questions"
S1E10 - Zelda says "Penny, Alice, Eliot and Janet, you are all late", Margo responds "Actually, it's Margo", Zelda responds "This time". This is important as Margo is actually called "Janet" in the books.
This episode was discussed with the author, and they approved this with Jason Ralph as he wanted to leave the show, and this was how they wanted the character to go out.
he is the main charaacter and everything
I hated him at the beginning. and then he and his life journey turn my life upside down. I still morn for him HEAVILY
I can relate to the line from 2:14 to 2:22
Omgggg did you die 🤭
@@mr.bleach584 yea. Painful and long enduring.
I'm not even finishing season 5. Quentin was the character that made this show for me.
I said the same thing but it was worth the watch. I may not watch 5 on the rewatch. Aaaah who am I kidding I will
I cried man
He died saving the world
DAMMIT SYFY!! Don't erase Quentin's existence!!! Could he at least come back as a Damn Special Guest Star?!?!?
This reminds me of when Hope Mikaelson from Legacies erased her existence, but this, is WAY MORE PAINFUL AND MEANINGFUL AND I AM LITERALLY CRYING RIGHT NOW!😭😭💔
they have said he might come back for flashbacks or if they go to the afterlife but he's NEVER getting resurrected
and honestly i'm good w that too many fantasy shows treat death as incontinent rather then the end
@@caffeinatedperfectionist484 i get this on a spiritual level.
They didn't erase him. Season 5 was all about him despite him being dead. Everything the team did was because of Quentin
1:28
Resonates.
what's the music at 2:26
Fuck this scene always gets me so bad. Along with his death 😩
I'm pissed and sad
I would never kill myself, but why does that line hurt so mucj
Is It's been awhile a callback to episode 7
I’m still so triggered by this 🥺
Damn Props to the writers on this scene.
I dont understand the part where penny says that Q´s whole live got revealed and it only means something when Q is true to himself. Can somebody please explain that to me. Thank u so much
I would add that you get to know “where you’re going” after leaving the secrets to the grave room. I imagine whether you’re honest with yourself
about your life has some impact on where you go.
Fresh Cut Grass, C3 E91
fine he can come back
Quinton is me
I still wonder if he was killed in the books
He was not. He was only killed in the show because Jason wanted to leave
He becomes a God of fillory.
This doesn't happen in the books so let's not consider this as canon.... cause this was super shitty and sent the wrong message to those struggling with suicide..... This was a horrible end and their explanation that "Not even the white male main is safe" was stupid. I'm a black man and I connected with Quinton in the books and the show. I was rooting for him. Thank god the books ending didn't turn out this way.
As someone who struggled with suicide, no this did not send the wrong message. Not even close. Quentin is a character who had internal struggle and contradictions. He kept fighting because he wanted to find a purpose in life, which is why he sought help at the institute in the first episode. Slowly over the course of the show, he begins finding a new reason to keep living. He meets individuals who became family to him. He even fights for a world against gods and demons. In the end he sacrifices himself for those same people he found and the same world he loved. When he questions himself in this scene it's because suicide is something he's always struggled with. He's worried that he died for nothing. What happens next? He goes to his funeral. He see's the people he loves gathered around mourning and honoring him. That's when it hits him that his death wasn't for nothing. That he did selflessly sacrifice himself so that those he loves can keep living. That's what the message is here. Acceptance. We struggle but we have the power to decide what our life means. It's realistic. The book ending for him is good if you want a nice fantasy happy ending, but that's all it is. A fantasy happy ending. This is a realistic ending for his character and it resonated with me deeply. The writer of the novels even loved this and pitched ideas himself for Quentin's end.
They really ruined the show for me in the last episodes of season 4. It really breaks my heart, I keep thinking of the show, but wow, I cannot get myself to continue after the choices they made in these last episodes of the season. Between reviving the Alice x Quentin ship (after the Quentin x Elliot teasing that was just very clearly bait) and then having Quentin die on top of that? I live with depression, and having him essentially kill himself was a no-no for me.
I don't watch the show, nevertheless i want to know why this man can SEE Quentin Even after he died, i'm confused.
He's dead, too.
@@Wednesdaywoe1975 does he have any powers related to dead people?
@@giovannyandrescortesrodrig2846 Not sure if you've watched the show yet, but Penny was a "Traveler" which was basically a being who can teleport anywhere they want, (in the second season) Penny made a deal with an organisation called "The Library" which manages all knowledge (including everyones "stories"). Long Story short Penny signed a contract for 1000 years, so even after he dies he still has to work for the Library in the "Underworld Branch", he works there for a while until he gets an "executive position" from Hades (spoiler) called "Secrets Taken to the grave" and that is why he is talking to Quentin after he died.
@@KLRCAT thanks a Lot, this answer Is wholesome on its own even for me who hasn't seen the show.... Yet .
Well when they decided to destroy their own show why not. Goodbye Magicians you was good...
Ya pretty much television suicide here
This is where the show should have ended.
@Jakub Maly i will accept s6 if they bring q back
Late to replying to this but I liked season 5. After I got over the fact that he wasn't coming back that is. I think it ended well and would love to see a season 6.