DOnt fool yourself. It is only you that he is speaking of . The listener. There is nobody else . But your mind will rebel against all this . Be it as it may , let the impossible task remain impossible for the mind and you get it nevertheless ..
He makes me laugh. Always says the same kinds of things, and then stops and wonders if 'anyone gets it', if it is 'worth going on'... He has the innocence and enthusiasm, direct-honesty and freedom of a child with the wisdom of a deep sage...
Everytime I listen to those same things after some time, I get more deeper insight. So I guess he is saying it again and again so as to check if you are really observing yourself seriously or not. Otherwise words will be just words.
This was before my time and I recently got to know JK. He is extremely special person and to be among us in our generation we should be very lucky and be thankful. 🙏🙏🙏
Controller is controlled....Observer is observed... Disorder leads to conflict..Order is free from conflict, division and distortion. When order prevails you are in meditation without effort and practice. Undivided mind without effort and mischief of control is a meditative mind.. My God!!! Salutations.....
One can point the door but we have to walk to that door by ourselves. Concludes everything! Thank you so much sir for point to that door 🙏 Thanks to this era of technology and social media as well through which we can see you and listen to you everyday! May all the beings be awaken!
First of all I would like to thanks to this great human being (seems like God🤐,)for sharing this honest and pure knowledge because my own experience in life after listening to so many gurus this lecture was really a eye opener and believe me if any body will follow this lecture practically in life not merely intellactualy then life will totally transform.. I am so lucky to listen to this eye opener life transforming wonderful lecture 🙏🙏
I started his second or third video in this series where he talks about fear, and as he pointed i ended it without what i used to call fear and a new beginning altogether.
Humanity is like a big garden, there're sages, roses, sunflowers, morning glories, lotus, crabgrass,even poison ivy. Sages spread their fragrance and try to awaken others. To live to our full potential is still the rights and responsibilities of each unique individual. The Truth that pointed out by each sage is still limited by their individual embodiment, time, space, length of existence, conditioning. We can only be inspired (in-spirit) by them, but following will be blind, against our own life force and hinder our growth. Imbibe the energy: Order, Love, Equality, Justice, Freedom, Intelligence, Joy, sparkling, pulsating, propelling in this beautiful garden we called humanity! Thanks K and friends.
My understanding: What is meditation - Meditation is to just observe choicelessly and excludes everything which commonly includes interpreting, exploring, seeking experience, having a specific goal to achieve. Why Meditate? Meditation quiets the mind as we are being completely attentive. A quiet mind sees the structure of conflicts and on complete understanding, conflict gets resolved. When there are no conflicts, there is greater intelligence. Steps to understanding deeply 1. To observe illusions, thoughts, conflicts, To understand the structure of violence and other harmful patterns, we need to see clearly 2. To see clearly, the mind must be quiet 3. Mind is quiet when it only observes choicelessly 4. Mind is quiet when free from noise - doesn't interpret, does a have a goal in mind, doesn't seek experience What meditation is not - Control/Concentration - No practise as it involves a method that has a direction, a goal Didn't get the use of meditation - Probably living to the best of the ability - In the silence of the mind, there is great understanding Please feel free to comment/correct/suggest to improve my understanding
Dear, your understanding is commendable, I think you have a good alertness and attentiveness while listening to jk, your understanding is completely similar to me,,,,, keep it up dear you started understanding the genius jk
I would add from my initial understanding of this extraordinary man is: - Love is key. - True love isn't romantic love or attachment that serves only (the image of) oneself. - This necessates the abandonment of self-centred desires, which originates from the idea of independence which may be a mere symptom of the social dynamics that forces you to adapt as a child using this image of (you/I). It includes everything you think is right or wrong, okay or not okay. For me, I see that I always fall a prey of overthinking and negative feelings of being a victim when I indulge in contemplations on that basis. That is maybe the reason of instant relief acquired by helping others; it deeply and practically reinstates the actuality of oneness. In conclusion, true love is essential to spontaneously "meditate", become more aware, courageous, clear minded, compassionate, generous, and content.
meditation doesn't exclude the aspects you point out in your definition. Exclusion is a form of control. If you are analyzing or have a goal in mind, choicelessly observe that. Watch without directing the mind. If you choose to exclude, then you are already making a mistake, in terms of choiceless awareness
Order comes from understanding disorder. True order happens about without any effort when there is the understanding of disorder. Effort causes distortion. Trying to control creates division & conflict. Let things be. Everything is perfect the way it is.
I’ve experienced this, what we call meditation and mantras actually has a dulling affect on the mind after sometime and will take you out of the blissful state over time. Perhaps being in such a heightened state allowed me to see this truth as I “came down.” It becomes a routine and one becomes mechanical. People often just want to be told how to do or attain and follow another. One must find their own way and that starts with understanding oneself completely.
Yes sir, I'm exhausted. There is a thin line between observer and things to be observed, very very thin line and often that line disappears and I'm indulge with the observed which is restless. I understand needs serious practice every moment, not only in morning for few hours and evening for few hours. Awareness should be there all along I'm awake. Thank You, journey with you is always helpful.
love that is not the pleasure meaning love in meditation while the mind is always silent unless thought or our body makes a movement what is meditation it is our self and we are trying to achieve ourself thanks i feel so enlightened i have given up on illusions and delusions
This may be one of the most powerful talks Ive seen from JK on UA-cam, the 6th conversation with Bohm in Brockwood Park is a very strong one as well. That whole series with David Bohm is really great.
Doesn't humanity desperately needs to listen to it self? So shouldn't we, representatives as we are, listen to ours selves? K. was just the postman who delivered a package. It's up to us to open the box and see what is in it.
See we need to understand that we are what we think ,crave, do repeatedly. So if we feed our mind with with divine thoughts, we will definitely create a divine space within us. We need to understand that we are much more than body and mind. Everything looks good in balance . If you, every time adopt sceptic attitude , you will miss the beauty of having oneness with the LIFE FORCE which is everywhere and in every one In every video, K us talking about what is wrong in religion, or man, but rarely i have seen him appreciating the Divine
I think he is on purpose downplays traditional approach to divinity. I had the same view about K that he sees all the negative in life nothing positive . But if you listen other lectures he touches the truth, beauty n love thing not directly saying it as divinity but it is divinity for him but he refuses to label it. Another thing his approach is “through negation you discover positive “ rather than with pre learnt knowledge/ concept which is the traditional religious way therefore he tries to deal this subject directly which is easily relatable in life like discussing human disorder, anxiety, confusion etc etc which is more tangible than the traditional approach of religion which is positive to put it simply there is truth out there go seek it while K seems to suggests if you understand your daily life disorder etc you will arrive at the same door which religion also point 🙏🏾
Each word is NECTAR, if one is serious enough and assimilates it. We are lucky to listen to this Virtuous Master( though he never claimed that he is master to any).
You know when he chastised the guy for falling asleep I thought "there's no way that this generation could hang with this. Everyone would be playing on their phone or just walking out."
I don’t know why it pleases me to hear ‘somebody somewhere will understand’ Is it because I think his audience were all fools and it is only to my discerning special ears many years later on UA-cam that he directly speaks. How dangerous the self is, ever waiting to latch on and flatter itself even with the most innocuous of words of a very careful speaker.
Now I'm confused how should I meditate.. Please help.. Me. Should I just sit still and let my mind wonder and I'll ignore wherever my mind wonders.. Or I should listen things like surrounding or music quitely without getting focused on other thought
after Jiddu renounced any organisations, how on earth can this 'official channel' and 'krishnamurti foundation' claim any copyright, on Truth, which is not to be sold or possesed or witheld.. Both have obviously misunderstood what Krishnamurti taught, to cast off al Gurus and Religions, and to not have leaders or organisations seeking awakening, as that makes it impossible, due to this behavior being based in the gredy self centered pathological thought process, lost in its own desires.
Meditation should not be self hypnosis: the most easy comfort trap is following a chant or music Or breathing suggested by monk or trainer Observe yourself without any support, with out any external system. To Understand orderness to understand disorderness. Control = suppression, rejection, division leads to conflict
"Somebody someday will understand this" very true
Yes
DOnt fool yourself. It is only you that he is speaking of . The listener.
There is nobody else .
But your mind will rebel against all this . Be it as it may , let the impossible task remain impossible for the mind and you get it nevertheless ..
He makes me laugh. Always says the same kinds of things, and then stops and wonders if 'anyone gets it', if it is 'worth going on'... He has the innocence and enthusiasm, direct-honesty and freedom of a child with the wisdom of a deep sage...
You are correct, another words he is trying to push us humans To higher Dimension which is free of Suffering
Everytime I listen to those same things after some time, I get more deeper insight. So I guess he is saying it again and again so as to check if you are really observing yourself seriously or not. Otherwise words will be just words.
Be aware of that laughter also
@@siamakafiat7517 there is no highter
same things, as truth is simple, as they say.
This was before my time and I recently got to know JK. He is extremely special person and to be among us in our generation we should be very lucky and be thankful. 🙏🙏🙏
never heard such a fearless,confident and clear talk from anybody in the earth really from heart....
Controller is controlled....Observer is observed...
Disorder leads to conflict..Order is free from conflict, division and distortion.
When order prevails you are in meditation without effort and practice.
Undivided mind without effort and mischief of control is a meditative mind..
My God!!! Salutations.....
One can point the door but we have to walk to that door by ourselves. Concludes everything! Thank you so much sir for point to that door 🙏 Thanks to this era of technology and social media as well through which we can see you and listen to you everyday! May all the beings be awaken!
33:16 start what is meditation
40:00 how to do it
First of all I would like to thanks to this great human being (seems like God🤐,)for sharing this honest and pure knowledge because my own experience in life after listening to so many gurus this lecture was really a eye opener and believe me if any body will follow this lecture practically in life not merely intellactualy then life will totally transform..
I am so lucky to listen to this eye opener life transforming wonderful lecture 🙏🙏
I started his second or third video in this series where he talks about fear, and as he pointed i ended it without what i used to call fear and a new beginning altogether.
The Anti-guru, he has the kingdom
Humanity is like a big garden, there're sages, roses, sunflowers, morning glories, lotus, crabgrass,even poison ivy. Sages spread their fragrance and try to awaken others. To live to our full potential is still the rights and responsibilities of each unique individual. The Truth that pointed out by each sage is still limited by their individual embodiment, time, space, length of existence, conditioning. We can only be inspired (in-spirit) by them, but following will be blind, against our own life force and hinder our growth. Imbibe the energy: Order, Love, Equality, Justice, Freedom, Intelligence, Joy, sparkling, pulsating, propelling in this beautiful garden we called humanity! Thanks K and friends.
Yes humanity is a big garden and somehow if one can see and feel it clearly hatred will have no ground , what a blessing to have those eyes ah.
Listening his video is a meditation itself !!!
Journey together
It is because you are attentive to the sound, now try to be attentive to your mind, it will slowly become silent 😊
My understanding:
What is meditation -
Meditation is to just observe choicelessly and excludes everything which commonly includes interpreting, exploring, seeking experience, having a specific goal to achieve.
Why Meditate?
Meditation quiets the mind as we are being completely attentive. A quiet mind sees the structure of conflicts and on complete understanding, conflict gets resolved. When there are no conflicts, there is greater intelligence.
Steps to understanding deeply
1. To observe illusions, thoughts, conflicts, To understand the structure of violence and other harmful patterns, we need to see clearly
2. To see clearly, the mind must be quiet
3. Mind is quiet when it only observes choicelessly
4. Mind is quiet when free from noise - doesn't interpret, does a have a goal in mind, doesn't seek experience
What meditation is not
- Control/Concentration
- No practise as it involves a method that has a direction, a goal
Didn't get the use of meditation
- Probably living to the best of the ability
- In the silence of the mind, there is great understanding
Please feel free to comment/correct/suggest to improve my understanding
Dear, your understanding is commendable, I think you have a good alertness and attentiveness while listening to jk, your understanding is completely similar to me,,,,, keep it up dear you started understanding the genius jk
I would add from my initial understanding of this extraordinary man is:
- Love is key.
- True love isn't romantic love or attachment that serves only (the image of) oneself.
- This necessates the abandonment of self-centred desires, which originates from the idea of independence which may be a mere symptom of the social dynamics that forces you to adapt as a child using this image of (you/I). It includes everything you think is right or wrong, okay or not okay.
For me, I see that I always fall a prey of overthinking and negative feelings of being a victim when I indulge in contemplations on that basis. That is maybe the reason of instant relief acquired by helping others; it deeply and practically reinstates the actuality of oneness.
In conclusion, true love is essential to spontaneously "meditate", become more aware, courageous, clear minded, compassionate, generous, and content.
Paresh you got it so well...defined very fine..Brilliant explaination..keep it up..Great job
yes. K has given some meditation techniques also
meditation doesn't exclude the aspects you point out in your definition. Exclusion is a form of control. If you are analyzing or have a goal in mind, choicelessly observe that. Watch without directing the mind. If you choose to exclude, then you are already making a mistake, in terms of choiceless awareness
Order comes from understanding disorder. True order happens about without any effort when there is the understanding of disorder. Effort causes distortion. Trying to control creates division & conflict. Let things be. Everything is perfect the way it is.
" It doesnt mind i will go on because somebody someday will understand " one of best words [ At 54.00 ]
Initially it's difficult to understand k but as you listen to more and more of k you will understand. He is most authentic and real.
I’ve experienced this, what we call meditation and mantras actually has a dulling affect on the mind after sometime and will take you out of the blissful state over time. Perhaps being in such a heightened state allowed me to see this truth as I “came down.”
It becomes a routine and one becomes mechanical.
People often just want to be told how to do or attain and follow another.
One must find their own way and that starts with understanding oneself completely.
Yes sir, I'm exhausted. There is a thin line between observer and things to be observed, very very thin line and often that line disappears and I'm indulge with the observed which is restless. I understand needs serious practice every moment, not only in morning for few hours and evening for few hours. Awareness should be there all along I'm awake. Thank You, journey with you is always helpful.
Aww... Exhaustion is part of the process. As K said in the beginning - it's an arduous process!
Such a beautiful soul lived once upon a time. ❤
“Somebody someday will understand it”.
Some scripture says Gowtham Buddha never loughed. We can directly experience this by observing J k.
love that is not the pleasure meaning love in meditation while the mind is always silent unless thought or our body makes a movement what is meditation it is our self and we are trying to achieve ourself thanks i feel so enlightened i have given up on illusions and delusions
This may be one of the most powerful talks Ive seen from JK on UA-cam, the 6th conversation with Bohm in Brockwood Park is a very strong one as well. That whole series with David Bohm is really great.
Thanks for life changing teaching
million millions thanks
It's free but the value of it cannot be measured❤
K on fire!!!
Aye 999 K all the way
Humanity desperately needs to listens to K.
Doesn't humanity desperately needs to listen to it self? So shouldn't we, representatives as we are, listen to ours selves?
K. was just the postman who delivered a package. It's up to us to open the box and see what is in it.
Be compassionate to your near. 🙏
Golden talk
I love when K is in a suit, it brings something out of him!
See we need to understand that we are what we think ,crave, do repeatedly. So if we feed our mind with with divine thoughts, we will definitely create a divine space within us.
We need to understand that we are much more than body and mind. Everything looks good in balance .
If you, every time adopt sceptic attitude , you will miss the beauty of having oneness with the LIFE FORCE which is everywhere and in every one
In every video, K us talking about what is wrong in religion, or man, but rarely i have seen him appreciating the Divine
I think he is on purpose downplays traditional approach to divinity. I had the same view about K that he sees all the negative in life nothing positive .
But if you listen other lectures he touches the truth, beauty n love thing not directly saying it as divinity but it is divinity for him but he refuses to label it.
Another thing his approach is “through negation you discover positive “ rather than with pre learnt knowledge/ concept
which is the traditional religious way
therefore he tries to deal this subject directly which is easily relatable in life like discussing human disorder, anxiety, confusion etc etc
which is more tangible than the traditional approach of religion which is positive to put it simply
there is truth out there go seek it
while K seems to suggests if you understand your daily life disorder etc you will arrive at the same door which religion also point 🙏🏾
You can meditate for half an hour twice a day and still listening to this guy . I recommend it. 😂
So true, directly penetrate our heart 🌸🙏
Order comes from understanding disorder; effort distorts; control creates division, conflict and so distortion
I love this teacher!
San Diego talks are extraordinary.
best video is Krishnamurti
Brilliant, thanks for video
When you are aware that mind is un attentive that is also attention
J you are god itself
❤️ such human exist ? Supreme power.
Thank you!
Treasure talks
He Reminds me a Great Warrior with
With very Sharp Sword ❤️
His Every word is precious
Each word is NECTAR, if one is serious enough and assimilates it. We are lucky to listen to this Virtuous Master( though he never claimed that he is master to any).
Observing itself is an action (based on thought), is it possible to observe without a thought ?
Wonderful !!!!!!
Awesome 👌
Thank you.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 thankyou
May all being be Happy, peaceful and liberated. Specially those people who marked Dislike 🙏
00:56 Cosa cerchiamo?
05:06 Le fondamenta
33:18 Che cos'è la meditazione?
Thank u
You know when he chastised the guy for falling asleep I thought "there's no way that this generation could hang with this. Everyone would be playing on their phone or just walking out."
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thanks
25:00
Therefore order, which is virtue, comes about without any effort when there is the understanding of disorder....JK
I don’t know why it pleases me to hear ‘somebody somewhere will understand’
Is it because I think his audience were all fools and it is only to my discerning special ears many years later on UA-cam that he directly speaks.
How dangerous the self is, ever waiting to latch on and flatter itself even with the most innocuous of words of a very careful speaker.
Somebody some day will understand this..
Now I'm confused how should I meditate.. Please help.. Me.
Should I just sit still and let my mind wonder and I'll ignore wherever my mind wonders..
Or
I should listen things like surrounding or music quitely without getting focused on other thought
after Jiddu renounced any organisations, how on earth can this 'official channel' and 'krishnamurti foundation' claim any copyright, on Truth, which is not to be sold or possesed or witheld.. Both have obviously misunderstood what Krishnamurti taught, to cast off al Gurus and Religions, and to not have leaders or organisations seeking awakening, as that makes it impossible, due to this behavior being based in the gredy self centered pathological thought process, lost in its own desires.
Wow just wow
Wow!
Meditation should not be self hypnosis: the most easy comfort trap is following a chant or music Or breathing suggested by monk or trainer
Observe yourself without any support, with out any external system.
To Understand orderness to understand disorderness.
Control = suppression, rejection, division leads to conflict
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Emptiness has a tremendous amount of energy. But one should not waste for unwanted thoughts. Then life yeald itself.
🙏🙏🙏
K... ♥️
in order to understand him, you have to understand you.
He is explaining the practice of Vipassana.
39:58 🔥
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Is keeping body still, is not a posture ?
41:35 Silence
🙄can anyone tell me how to do meditation
Sit still for 2 minutes and observe yourself
How to stop heart beat
As he says, if I look at it as it is, without being bound by words, I can see that he had deep mental disabilities, conflicts, and illnesses.
The german subtitles are un Polish.
Thank you for pointing it out-we just fixed it. Let us know if you experience any more issues.
@@KFoundation Thank you for the prompt reply. Everything is ok.
He is also saying what should be at a state of mind isn't he?
"somebody some day will understand this"
Fire of "Attention".....but where is oxygen to sustain the fire??? Without oxygen it dies as a spark only.
32:00
40:00
What he is saying, is it not the idea
He is pointing at meditation by being mirror to ur psychological structure. It's not idea but facts.
no its a fact.
天啊 他用時代的語言 表達出無法被表達的 流動語言
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41.00
Beating around the bush
There is no good condition of mind
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Wow!
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42:31
39:58