Antenna building #1 - EFHW Antenna - theory and practice of the broadband transformer

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  • @d3w4yn3
    @d3w4yn3 Рік тому +7

    I have listened to similar theories all of my life, and have consistently failed to fully grasp them; however, your clear and simplified articulation of this is superior to anyone I have ever heard before. You have actually allowed me to keep up with you and understand. I won't say I'm smarter now, because I wasn't all that smart to begin with, but you, good Sir, have made me less stupid!!! Well done my new friend, well done!!!

  • @ebenfourie9057
    @ebenfourie9057 Рік тому +2

    Fantastic explanation Manuel, better than any EFHW video I've seen on UA-cam. 73. ZL2EF

  • @mohawk14616
    @mohawk14616 7 місяців тому +1

    This video was outstanding and concise in layman’s terms. Can’t wait to watch the rest of the series.

  • @presidentspilot
    @presidentspilot Рік тому +2

    You are the greatest!! I love your videos, and your theories!! Next I am going back to the way you wind your cores, to skip the 100PFD cap!! I MUST MASTER YOUR TECHNIQUE! Fantastic SWR, thereafter...a LOT BETTER THAN MY WINDINGS!! LOL!!
    I hope that you will ALSO do the FT240 series toroids, as well, as I suspect that your winding ratios will, then, need to be modified somewhat.

  • @CriticalThinker-42
    @CriticalThinker-42 8 місяців тому

    Good video! I've been researching EFHW antennas, and it appears that using a Fair Rite 2643251002 core with 14 turns close wound, and tapped at 2 turns, using a 120pf TDK cap, is a lot more efficient on higher HF frequencies than typical 49:1 transformer construction. Its a lot thicker core (~22mm) and smaller diameter than a 240 core (~39mm). Stacking thinner cores along with close winding also seems to help. You might want to look into this if your running much 15m through 10m HF. IIRC its reported to have under 1db xfmr loss, or ~5db less xfmr loss on 10m than typical designs. Its also fine for 100w so it would loaf along at QRP power levels. Apparently thicker cores (or stacking cores), close winding fewer turns, and a high quality cap is the key.
    Also remember, the more mass a core (or stack of cores) has the longer it takes it to heat up. The more surface area a core (or stack of cores) has the faster it will cool down. If a core (or stack of cores) gets too hot it looses efficiency, your SWR will increase as losses increase.
    73 mike

  • @dougbas3980
    @dougbas3980 Рік тому +1

    Thank you. I have watched both parts (2 then 1) because I am not conventional🤣🤣. I have the TruSDX and an IC-705 because I am 76YO and money is less important than time and fun😉.
    Thank you. I appreciate your knowledge and ability to test what is actually true. Channels like yours are very valuable.

  • @handyman7147
    @handyman7147 Рік тому +1

    Excellent video. Beautiful explanation and tutorial. Thank you

  • @dxexplorer
    @dxexplorer 2 роки тому +3

    Perfect timing... I am re-building mine right now. I should watch the video first maybe I learn some new tips that will help me. ( And I did learned ) I did not now that the number of turns affects the antenna depending on it's elevation. That is a great thing to keep in mind for the future.

  • @QRP.lifestyle
    @QRP.lifestyle 2 роки тому +3

    Well done Manuel, very detailed.
    73 David DL1DN

  • @denislacroix654
    @denislacroix654 2 роки тому

    Thanks a million, Manuel, this video answers some of my questions about EFHW antennas, and whether they are less efficient than dipoles.

  • @haramanggapuja
    @haramanggapuja 2 роки тому +2

    Danke. Now to go back & re-fiddle my supposed 500W transformer. I have a 150pF cap in the box. Works but I suspect that 100pF may be better. (I’ve found - by way of finding melted plastic in the box - that I needed 3 stacked 2” dia cores and even they got warm at 500W. Which proves that QRP is more efficient ;-). ) 73 de W8IJN

  • @VA7BC
    @VA7BC 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent explanation. Thank you.

  • @darioj.7454
    @darioj.7454 Рік тому

    Congrat, very clear explanation!

  • @xe1fbg
    @xe1fbg 2 роки тому +1

    En espera del siguiente video, saludos 73.

  • @IncognitaLabs
    @IncognitaLabs 2 роки тому +2

    Your work on the uSDX is truly brilliant, the design is simple and elegant!
    This post on the EFHW antenna is quite interesting to me.
    I too have wondered if moving to a larger toroid was actually more efficient
    or was merely a way to create a larger heatsink to keep the transformer
    from saturating, I look forward to your exploration of this.
    I have a few thoughts that you might find interesting.
    It occurred to me that it would be nice to have a simple method
    of altering both the transformers turns ratio as well as the actual
    length of the antenna wire connected to the transformer...
    These ideas are simple but should result in an EFHW that is still
    simple while being adjustable for lowest SWR.
    Pardon my simple math here, I add it in case it will be of some use
    to novice builders as a reference.
    I wish I could post an image in this comment as that would make the ideas
    behind this design immediately clear.
    ---------------------
    To change the transformer ratio just add a few turns on the toroid
    and then add transformer taps so you can choose the best ratio
    for the antenna in use.
    Here is the simple math to follow...
    Take (secondary turns) divided by (primary turns)
    and then square the result and then multiply that result by 50
    giving you the ohms value the transformer will match.
    i.e.
    If secondary is 21 turns and primary is 3 turns
    Then 21/3 = 7
    Now square 7 and get 49
    Now multiply 49 by 50 and your transformer will match 2450 ohms
    If secondary is 14 turns and primary is 2 turns
    Then 14/2 = 7
    Now square 7 and get 49
    Now multiply 49 by 50 and your transformer will match 2450 ohms
    If secondary is 24 turns and primary is 3 turns
    Then 24/3 = 8
    Now square 8 and get 64
    Now multiply 64 by 50 and your transformer will match 3200 ohms
    If secondary is 19 turns and primary is 3 turns
    Then 19/3 = 6.33
    Now square 6.33 and get 40.07
    Now multiply 40.07 by 50 and your transformer will match 2003.5 ohms
    If you put 3 turns on the primary and say 26 turns on the secondary
    and put taps on the secondary windings starting at say 18 turns the
    resulting matches for each tap will be...
    tap 26 = 3753 ohms
    tap 25 = 3471 ohms
    tap 24 = 3200 ohms this is the common 64:1
    tap 23 = 2936 ohms
    tap 22 = 2688 ohms
    tap 21 = 2450 ohms this is the common 49:1
    tap 20 = 2220 ohms
    tap 19 = 2005 ohms
    tap 18 = 1800 ohms
    Selecting the best tap for lowest swr is
    easy and you have what amounts to a very simple
    manual tuner.
    This can be further refined by making the first several
    feet of your longwire using something like very small
    multi-stranded stainless steel aircraft control cable.
    If you wind this cable onto a spool of some design
    then you can change the actual antenna length without
    cutting the wire, the turns all short out and don't
    create an inductance...if the wire was insulated you
    would be adjusting both antenna length and inductance
    and you want only to change length. Using stainless
    steel cable prevents rust and/or corrosion. If you have
    your toroid mounted on a piece of plastic as is typical
    then just cut two slots in the plastic to serve as the spool.
    This is easier than adjusting the end of your wire by
    folding it back since the adjustment can be made close
    to the operating position with no need to lower the antenna.
    This makes it easy to cover both 80 and 75 meters for example.
    Combining the taps with easily adjustable wire length
    results in an antenna for the field that can match any
    HF band with a very low swr... if you use a spectrum
    analyzer you will see that changing the wire length
    moves all the harmonic dips either up or down in frequency.
    And changing the tap then refines the match lower or
    higher in relation to the radios 50 ohms.
    I hope my math is OK, I just used the google calculator
    and did a quick check on this post, but you can see
    what I'm doing here :-)
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    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому +1

      This sounds a little complicated to me. Especially because EFHW´s are not in need to be tuned over a wide range. An EFHW works decently even on 2nd and 3rd harmonic. But your theory sounds interesting. Why don´t you build it and make a Video about it ? Sounds fascinating.

  • @hankaajindrich8622
    @hankaajindrich8622 2 роки тому

    Děkuji za video. Dozvěděl jsem se více o výpočtech a závislostech při transformaci impedance.

  • @johnwest7993
    @johnwest7993 2 роки тому

    I'm always impressed with your ability to clearly explain things in a second (or third,) language. I've been speaking nothing but English for 70 years and I still have difficulties explaining things, even to myself. :)
    I've found that if I put the 2 ends of wire about 2 inches apart in a vice (with wooden blocks for padding to hold the wires,) that when I twist the center of the wire it wraps the 2 strands around one another instead of 1 being straight and the other wire wrapping around it.
    Also, when you are using a larger core you have room to run larger diameter wire, which would reduce the loss in the transformer wire and reduce core heating, (a little.)
    I'm entirely self-taught, but I don't see any real need to use an NPO type of cap. A few percent drift in value with temperature should have very little effect since it's part of a broadband, not a resonant circuit. (I always use silver mica caps in RF power circuits.)

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому

      Thank you so much ! It means a lot to me, as english is not my native language. The NP0 recommandation comes from my experiences with Class E TRX´s. If you use something like X7R/X5R in components that need to handle 5W RF, ehose caps immediately heat up !!! It´s not about the temperature drift. It´s about the Quality of the components in an RF Application. Silver Mica is the level above NP0 ;) So everything is fine. 73 Manuel; DL2MAN

  • @Mottersmotters
    @Mottersmotters 2 роки тому

    Fantastic video Manuel. I loved all of it. I will try to build one.
    Motters M7TRS 🇬🇧 73 👍🏻

  • @eduardogarciamontesdeoca5935
    @eduardogarciamontesdeoca5935 2 роки тому

    Awesome explanation… waiting for part2

  • @TheArtofEngineering
    @TheArtofEngineering Місяць тому +1

    Thanks for this! Well explained and I love the try it and see approach practically. 73 de VK2AOE

  • @HAMRADIODUDE
    @HAMRADIODUDE 2 роки тому +1

    Great videos, I appreciate them

  • @johnrees44..G4EIJ
    @johnrees44..G4EIJ Рік тому

    Many thanks for your clear, concise, and plain language explanation..73..John, G4EIJ

  • @danieljohnson8437
    @danieljohnson8437 Рік тому +1

    Excellent
    Thank you.

  • @frankamato8886
    @frankamato8886 2 роки тому

    Great Video, Manuel! 👍

  •  2 роки тому +2

    You can try to measure insertion loss with nanovna simply by loading the transformer with a 2400 Ω resistor in series with the s21 port. Resistor loss would be around 33,8 dB, so that should be added to the measured value.

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks. Didn´t think abot that. But I will probably built 2 similar Transformers, connect them back to back, so I have 50 Ohms on both sides. Then Insertion loss devided by two is the insertion loss of individual transformer.

    •  2 роки тому

      ​@@dl2man Of course, that's another way of measuring, but be careful to make them as similar as possible to get symmetry. You'll probably need at least three of them to calculate insertion loss for each transformer since you'll have a linear equation with at least two unknowns.

  • @MakeDoAndMend1
    @MakeDoAndMend1 2 роки тому

    Yep great video. Cheers from old George 👍🇬🇧🤠

  • @simontube8417
    @simontube8417 2 роки тому

    Coole Sache, danke für das Video!

  • @madcarew5168
    @madcarew5168 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks..at last I know why the capacitor!!!

  • @diegogarciamedina6363
    @diegogarciamedina6363 2 роки тому

    thank you very much for your video LU2DVY

  • @John_Smith__
    @John_Smith__ 2 роки тому

    Another great video no doubt.

  • @dl8cy
    @dl8cy 2 роки тому

    You are an awesome teacher, your video brings knowledge back of my license exam. Looking forward to part 2 vy 73 de DL8CY

  • @alextorchiana1785
    @alextorchiana1785 Рік тому

    It's a very clear video....which type of toroid you used?

  • @ivangerginov5824
    @ivangerginov5824 Рік тому

    I printed a few of your QRP EFHW transformer boards. To make sure i am reading the board correctly, please confirm that:
    J3, should be RF
    J4 = ground
    J5-to-J6 - Antenna
    Also at the capacitor position there are 3 holes. I used C1 (the two end ones). I presumed that the center one would be if i use smaller size capacitor, in which case i should use C2. Please confirm.

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  Рік тому

      First of all: what do you mean by you "printed" the boards ? Just to be clear: that´s a PCB and no 3D print part.... Regarding your questions:
      J3=RF, J4=GND, J5=Antenna Side of Transformer, J6=Antenna Wire. Capacitor is 2 footprints in one with one common ground leg. That´s for different sizes of caps. 73 Manuel; DL2MAN

  • @labcat73
    @labcat73 2 роки тому +2

    Great first video of the series Manuel and a good refresher! Looking forward to the next one.
    Why do you not count the "direction change" as a turn? On the one hand it clearly passes through the core. On the other hand it does sit mostly in "air" and not close to the core.
    73 de Tobias DL3MHT

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому +2

      That´s an interesting question: My logic was: A very loosely wound transformer will perform way worse compared to a tightly wound transformer. So I assumed: a transition, not even near the inner side of the core would not count as it should have a very low effect. However: I think it can be determined, wether it acts like 3:21(1:7) or 3:22(1:7,33) by simply connecting a variable resistor on the output, tweak it for lowest SWR, and measure it afterwards if it´s closer to 2450 Ohms or 2688 Ohms.

    • @labcat73
      @labcat73 2 роки тому

      @@dl2man Hmm… Maybe better to compare it to a transformer without turn using the very same core and check what difference it makes relatively? E.g. is 2:14 without turn equals 2:14 with turn counting or not counting the turn on a FT114-43 while trying to keep the spacing similar. With - what is it - 10 or 20% tolerance for the material one could come to wrong conclusions, unless you try to measure the permeability of the core under test beforehand. I guess I try it if I still have enough spare enameled wire laying around here somewhere.
      Alas just hoisting your antenna 2m higher into the tree or sloping at a different angle makes a much bigger difference.

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому

      @@labcat73 Amen. Most of those discussions are of academic nature anyway, as in practice, you don´t see a difference.

    • @labcat73
      @labcat73 2 роки тому +3

      @@dl2man Found three hours of spare-time and did the experiment: 15 times crossing the inside of the core on a FT114-43 gave me without direction change: 1:56.6 ratio or 2:15.046 backwards calculated. And with the direction change i get 1:50.44 or 2:14.2 backwards calculated. So you were right the direction change only counts as 0.2 turns with my dodgy setup and the way I wound the wire... 👍

    • @EvanBoyar
      @EvanBoyar Рік тому

      ​@@labcat73thanks so much for doing the experiment!

  • @juliocaesarramos5250
    @juliocaesarramos5250 2 роки тому

    Great video, Manuel. Many thanks for explanation. 73 PU2AOO

  • @EC5ABG
    @EC5ABG 2 роки тому +1

    Muy bueno.73 de Toni 👍

  • @simonebeks8145
    @simonebeks8145 Рік тому

    Fantastic video! But i don’t understand why when i try to do it, i fail and my antenna is in short. I always use copper wire!

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  Рік тому +1

      What do you mean by "is in short" ? A DC short circuit between inner and shield ? That´s normal, as they are connected via primary coil. When appying AC Voltage (RF) it is not a short. 73 Manuel; DL2MAN

  • @The411
    @The411 4 місяці тому +1

    Why do we twist the first coils? Isn't that adding a (very small) capacitance?

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  3 місяці тому

      That´s supposed to improve coupling between primary and secondary. 73 Manuel; DL2MAN

    • @The411
      @The411 3 місяці тому

      @@dl2man Thanks.

  • @BShocked
    @BShocked 2 роки тому +2

    How do you determine the capacitor rating to use? I have some 50v rated caps I would like to use for an EFHW for QRP.

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому +1

      5W over 50 Ohms are around 45Vpp . 100W are around 200Vpp . If your SWR changes (=not really 50 Ohms), those Voltages can be way higher, and I´d like to have some safety margin.

  • @pasixty6510
    @pasixty6510 2 роки тому +1

    There are two experiences I want to share here. BTW I have no scientific explanation for this: 1st: I got better results with 2 by 14 than with 3 by 21. Probably a matter of wire resistance, but don’t quote me on that… 2nd: don’t twist the wires of the first windings too tightly. I don’t know how or why… The transformer very probably will work better… Extra: The 100 pF cap must be there. I bought some beefy thick blue 30kV types for just a few Euros.

  • @dangermandave67
    @dangermandave67 2 роки тому

    Interesting that, even before you attach a radiating element to that transformer, the SWR is not perfectly 1:1. To me, that means that stressing out over cutting your EFHW antenna to the 'perfect' length where you have 1:1 on 20/40/10m is a waste of time. It's not going to happen, so live with 1.2:1 or even 1.4:1 and be happy. What I am curious about is what SWR is acceptable when using something like the (tr)uSDX that doesn't have a tuner.

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому +1

      In Practice (in the field attached to a wire) I actually found the SWR to be better than on the workbench. I assume this is dependent from elevation of the Antenna and the ground effects surrounding that.

  • @eugene5634
    @eugene5634 2 роки тому

    You have 22 turns through the center of the ring. But must be 21. The transition to the other side is considered, because. passes through the center of the ring.

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому +1

      I said it was controversial wether the transition counts or not ;) But I will test the Transformation Ratio with a variable resistor, and confirm or admit when I´m wrong.

  • @erikpratama320
    @erikpratama320 2 роки тому

    How about build it with ferrite rod core?
    The one that was used for AM antena coil

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому +1

      Can be done for sure. My biggest concern would be the "unknown" Material.

  • @krzysztofadamski7804
    @krzysztofadamski7804 2 роки тому

    Your SWR is quite high. Isn't it because you have actually done a 1:64 instead of 1:49 you have planned? Wouldn't you get better SWR if you connect 3k2 instead of 2k4?

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  2 роки тому

      Let´s assume the transition would count as 1 turn: this would be 1:7,333 and 1:53,777 Impedance, so 2,6888 kOhms. The SWR is within expected range (for artificial load). It will be better on real Antenna guaranteed.

    • @krzysztofadamski7804
      @krzysztofadamski7804 2 роки тому

      @@dl2man ach, you are right. I forgot that we have 3 primary windings so you would have to add 3 secondary windings, not just one, to change the radio to 1:8 :)
      I wonder, however, why would the real antenna produce better SWR than a dummy load?

  • @rickeaston3228
    @rickeaston3228 Рік тому +1

    That is the smallest core for this kind of transformer I have seen. This transformer design is the weakest item in the antenna design. There is an old saying that high impedances and ferrite don't mix well. Twisting the wire does nothing useful.

    • @dl2man
      @dl2man  Рік тому

      Twisting wire is supposed to help with coupling between primary and secondary. I have also wound it as Auto Transformer, and that worked as well, but I did not test and compare it when just winding primary and secondary in parallel. So you might be right, I just did not test it. So I cannot confirm or deny your statement 73 Manuel; DL2MAN

  • @jertres2887
    @jertres2887 2 роки тому +2

    Wes Hayward w7zoi suggested there was less loss with type 61 instead of 43, FT-114-61, 3:27 turns, modeling 4.4k load, measured on 40 and 20m. K1RF (gnarc.org/wp-content/uploads/The-End-Fed-Half-Wave-Antenna.pdf) says not to use type 61 "permeability too low!" Maybe a small 43 inside of a larger type 61 toroid?

  • @willian.direction6740
    @willian.direction6740 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the video it really helps us gain confidence to make our own antennas and gain knowledge and experience in the hobby. vk5cz ..