Scott Lilienfeld: The Search for Successful Psychopathy
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- Scott O. Lilienfeld is a professor of psychology at Emory University and gave Stockholm Psycjiatry Lecture titled "Beneath the Mask: The Search for Successful Psychopathy" on November 8, 2016.. Although psychopathic personality (psychopathy) has traditionally been regarded as a largely or entirely malignant condition, some scholars have contended that psychopathy, or at least some of the traits associated with it, may be tied to successful outcomes in some vocations or avocations, such as politics, business, military combat, and high risk-sports.
Other lectures in this series can be found at / psychiatrylectures - Наука та технологія
Scott Lilienfeld is fucking awesome. He stays awesome even after he dies. That's how badass he is.
ok, dont exaggerate but we get it
@@VictoriaWonders i really did mean it, okay? i only recently found out that there's a ton of research on my character. so i have been feeling quite grateful to the people doing it. at 14:50 lilienfeld said "the psychopathic individual classically does not see him or herself as others see him or her". i haven't found that information anywhere else, and it's true in my case. that's why i said that
Devastated to hear this great man has died. Stumbled upon his videos & been entranced, hoped to write him an e-mail of appreciation. My deepest condolences to ail who knew & loved him, what a phenomenal man.
If you have any questions on psychopathy, feel free to ask me. I'm not a psychopath btw, just a neurotypical (word for non disordered people). However, I have experienced behind and mask many, many times. So I have personal experience.
behind the mask*
Ah, Scott. I remember his lecture on how most modern domestic appliances could accommodate a decapitated human head.
Delivered in a deadpan voice.
Unforgettable.
Fondly remembering Scott and his work today.
Sad news
Oh no. Didn't know he died
Whaaaattt??
I was so crushed to hear that he passed last year. I was lucky to exchange emails with him as a grad student and have him advise and encourage me. He didn't have to take the time to do that, but he did.
He's still one of my idol professors.
@John Doe Unfortunately, he passed away from pancreatic cancer.
1:54 - Talk Outline
5:28 - Folk concepts of psychos
7:05 - Book recommendation to understand psychos
15:23 - Typical view of psychos up until 10-15 years ago
18:30 - Relation between psychos, antisocials and criminals.
22:30 - Different terms for succesful psychos
Thank you
I feel like some psychopaths have had a generally good life. If you are Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan you don't need to steal and you can legally cut people into pieces on live television through sports.
I appreciate his balanced approach.
Thank you for everything, Scott.
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Great lecture!
Excellent lecture. We need a lot more research into psychopathy and cluster b personality disorders more generally.
“Adaptive”-possibly…..a moving target? Like maybe, as groupthinks evolve so the psychopathy in them adapts to the “needs” and “requests” of groupthink.
If you want to know where to look, check out the Accident & Emergency wards, or watch the psychiatrists. But to be fair, many in that fraternity are merely a little narcissistic, and possibly need to be, more than people imagine are problematically so. But the allowance of near infallibility to people in extraordinary power positions is a dangerous economy. Take it from someone with wide experience and a bias to love doctors, still.
Emergency medicine doctors are quite constrained with algorithms and evidence based medicine and there is not a lot of room to be malignant without immediate visible damage and backlash. Can't comment much about psychiatry cause I dunno first hand
RIP Scott.
That's like the theme in Aliens where the company wants to take the aliens and use them as a weapon. Although they make a great weapon they would tear everything apart! Not just those designated as the enemy.
Finally, someone who gets it.
Thanks
This is an excellent lecture on psychopathy! I fully recommend this to anyone interested in issues related to personality disorder or more specifically psychopathy. As with any treatment of such a complex phenomena, there are issues. However, any discussion of psychopathy cannot be complete without a consideration of the work of Stanley Milgram (Obedience to Authority) or the Philip Zimbardo (Stanford Prison Experiment.)
Another glaring absence is the lack of discussion of the attachment system. This is primarily because Scott takes an 'outside-looking-in' approach which is standard in psychology. In this discussion, the focus is on 'traits' which have been defined from the outside looking at behavior, yet what relationship do these traits have to the brain systems that attempt to guide adaptive behavior? In 2017, there is a substantial amount that is known about the neuroscience of psychiatric conditions. What happened to all the fMRI studies which he never discusses here? Too much of the neuroscience was missing, yet so much could have contributed to a more state-of-the-art discussion. A model of CNS systems that includes the attachment system as a significant influence in the shaping of our cognitive approach to the world is possible today.
There is a bit too much drama here that takes advantage of the public's 'fear of deception' with all this talk about "persona meaning mask". Yet, was this really informative? The sense from the lecture is that there is some unique form of deception going on, but is that really the case? All human beings have things which they do not divulge in their interactions. We all have unspoken agendas, hidden vulnerabilities, and also competitive aspects to our behavior which does not necessarily hold the best outcome of the other person above ours. Many people would not remain employed if they felt so honest one day that they decided to tell their boss how they feel. We all have a necessary social mask in place that allows us to work cooperatively with others. And, sometimes, we can all be competitive, which often means that someone will win and others will not. Without discussing competition for resource access, how would one understand all the centuries of tribal warfare, including the sanctioned behavior of one race towards another or one religion over another that often encourages brutality towards the other team. Many of our sports are about punishing physical contact with one's opponent. So beyond the competition for resources, one also has the aspect of whether something is socially sanctioned by one's group. What is the difference if your boss is a yakuza encouraging you to kill for new territory versus someone telling you to drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima? The second was unthinkable right and in that context the first seems trivial in comparison.
Besides the issue of 'right versus wrong', Scott speaks of the issue regarding his study that proves psychopaths know the difference between right and wrong. Recently, a study of adolescents indicated that adolescents accurately can assess how risky certain behavior is when asked in tests. We all know, if we are honest, of situations in which we do things that we know break some rule. However, things are always more complicated than that in real life. Multiple influences impinge upon our brains and there is a competition between urges and interests. In that context, something which has longer range implications may be of less value in our reflexive behavioral patterns than an immediate gain. Many psychopaths are deeply troubled because they do something in certain contexts that are inconsistent with what they understand. Many of these individuals lack a high degree of integration in their internal model for guiding conduct. The lack of such considerations in this talk undermine it's potential for a modern understanding of psychopathy. This is straight forward neuroeconomics.
Many more issues, but that is a few. This traditional trait based surveys of personality disorder can be faulted because it does not take into account how the brain actually works and may have more in common with phrenology than we imagine. How does the brain encode experience and what processes allow and block high levels of integration? What neuromodulatory subsystems are involved in determining the associated risk or cost-to-benefit? How the level of stress effects the shunting of signals throughout the brain in determines the behavioral output? When someone gets no reward or hedonic benefit associated with being involved with others, how does that shape their behavior?
www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication
Thanks.
Good work well Infinity of knowledge to explore and only a finite amount explore.
I think they performed a group survival function through evolutionary time and that is why the gene(s) was passed on.
Just listen to sociologists as well. We pointed out since a loooong time what we call "white collar crime" and how their effects are more detrimental to society as a whole and people in particular than nothing else!
You guys seriously should look at the "white collar crimes", where people are usually not in prison but do horrible things.
Psychology is sometimes too entitled to visit our conferences. We often go to yours but generally speaking, only few psychologist or psychiatrist are interested in sociological research or work interdisciplinary.
I studied both, hence I know.
WHITE COLLAR CRIMES (white has nothing to do with race but wearing a tie and a suit, hence white collar instead of blue collar workers).
If a psychopath can pursue rewarding things without doing harm or risking trouble for himself, why wouldn't he? The focus should be on incentives and boundary setting, not on diagnosing people, which is so often a shitshow.
@Panderichthys rhombolepis I'm scratching my head over this. Do you know I'm just a rando on youtube with no credentials?
That was my first guess. Wrong assumptions abound. . .and compound. . .so I didnt want to assume. ☺
Do you disagree with my comment? What are your thoughts?
Also why an extinct fish?
@Panderichthys rhombolepis I had a hard time titling that one. Finally settled on Terre Haute. Fargo. Bed. It will make sense if you read the book.
@Panderichthys rhombolepis The crisis of masculinity has been around for a while. William James discusses it in Varieties of Religious Experience, as one random example. The current generation thinks men were happily in charge and women were miserably oppressed until about 1990, but now everything is on the right path finally. Ridiculous. Peterson has a lot to say on that subject and many others.
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20:00 variable trait assoc - sometimes
“Psychopathy is bipartisan.”
Lololol. Truth.
He sounds like the principal from the Simpsons
54:00 I have something to announce, I have been shot
Outdated lecture in 2016 ... DSM 5 explains the best about psycopathy and the difference with ASPD or factor 1 psycopathy and factor 2 psycopathy (ASPD) . It is not as complicated as he makes it to be. Did not touch on the upbringing and environmental factors.
A psychopath will leave you in a very confused state. If you haven't felt that incredible confusion, you just met an a$$hole. Big difference between those and psychopaths because an a$$hole will have a sane motive, not necessarily a nice one. Not very many real psychopaths.
Can a person have ASPD and psychopathy?
Aspd is the 'formal' version of psychopathy
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"Persona" is an Etruscan word used by Latin language many centuries before Middle Ages.
Geez, what a topic! Mission impossible . ( not for the Swedes, presumably.) Jesus Christ, what else? Lat mig ga I fred..... mens sana In corpores sano!
There's successful narcissists. They have careers and blend in very well. I don't agree with them not being successful.
Narcissism is generally a mask for most psychopaths, sociopaths, and borderliners.
I think a lot of people in power and politics are psychopaths, so yes, I think psychopaths are successful because they don’t mind doing whatever they have to do underhanded things to get to where they get to like CEOs and corporations, and all of that
I thought Abignail passed bar exam being the only truth about him ????
Psychopaths will commit suicide when they see themselves as having lost everything.
Are all of these commenters in the mental health field? Because the comments are critical and even arrogant revealing your own insecurities.
Ask ex-wives!!! They’ve done a lot of research to discover “what in the world happened...in their relationship with this person”!
Unfortunately true on my case
All they care about is finding that these can be successful in their careers while completely ignoring the wake of destruction they leave behind them.
And ex husbands or boyfriends
Well, an equal number of females can be psychopaths.
Unfortunately for their male partners, the police and society don't take their reports of being victimized as legitimate .
Should of gave him more attention 😂
I was able to choose the real psychopath as soon as I saw him!
Panderichthys rhombolepis This is connected to the video he showed. He presented several psychopaths in it! You have to watch it! I have no reason to choose any psychopath in my life.
Why does he repeatedly use the the word or phrase, "looking for *sanity*"? Few psychopaths get off on an insanity defense. They know what they're doing, but they don't care. One can't be insane if one is calculated, cunning, manipulative and premeditative. It seems he's confusing Psychopathy (having one or more personality disorders), with Psychosis (cognitively insane).
He talked about certain careers (adaptive niches), where Psychopaths can be found. Politics, high risk sports, firefighters, and law enforcement, to name a few.. Then there's Navy Seals, Green Berets, surgeons, marketers, mechanics, stock brokers like Bernie Madoff, "Pharma Bro" Martin Shreli, Juliane Assange, and the Christian charlatans like Benny Hinn who lives a lavish lifestyle all the while bilking the poor. I think political historians will put The Donald at the top of the list, above FDR.
We can't overlook the fact that males are just naturally higher in risk-taking. There movies of choice tend to be blow 'em up, shoot 'em up action flicks, they dominate in every professional sport, and when was the last time you saw a mother toss her baby up in the air just for giving him a little thrill? Only dads do that, while mama stands there gasping.
I'm wondering about oxytocin levels in males. Child-bearing females are naturally higher in that, according to Michael Gurian, a social philosopher who's written several books on neuroscience.
They are insane in sense that even when punished they don't learn. Legally that should qualify as a handicap. But not under US law (same country where slavery was part of law.)
He does not.use the phrase "looking for sanity". He uses the phrase "Mask of Sanity" which is the title of a book which he introduced at the beginning of his lecture..and suggested that you download and READ as it is a free pdf online. It is obvious that you did not pay attention. He is looking for the high functioning, the successful psychopath.
What is your mask hiding ?
Study political candidates
Wait you kinda a look like the guy
"Kitty Carlisle! Peggy Cass! Orson Bean!
Lol....you're dating yourself. Wasn't there 4 on that panel? Oh, they were funny. Seriously though, how about Marilyn Monroe and Joan Crawford? If Sociopaths are Psychopaths, one had to be a Histrionic, the other a Borderline.
Lol who
He looks like he is coming off a bender
@Panderichthys rhombolepis it means, he looks like he is coming off a bender?
@Panderichthys rhombolepis oh sorry. A "bender" is when a person drinks excessively (stays drunk) for several days or even a week. As you can guess, they often they look very dishevelled and look unoriented afterward for a few days.
@Panderichthys rhombolepis haha! Yes, for some it is apparently 😁
The fact that he had a slide of Trump and not of Kamala Harris tells you all you need to know about his integrity as a scientist.
notice how is all feminist in room
deqa get your eyes tested what feminists?
@@stevenhoward6642 feminism
2 reasons for that, the vast majority of humanities and psychology particularly are composed of women. Also, the college probably won't allow recording, much less uploading, without a vast majority of female faces in every shot. This of course demonstrates their truly progressive tendencies, winning of course, points on the ever so valuable virtue signaling competition.
Ok so this must be a parody video right? Every single "indication" of psychopathy mentioned literally applies to every single person alive. To varying degrees of course, but to say you might be a psychopath if, you care about yourself and your things more than other people's things, or if you feel incapable of deep love, unreliable... I mean come on this is truly a crystal clear lecture on what it means to be human. If an alien species came to earth, remove the word psychopath, and this could be a quick intro into humans.
neural circuitry in the psychopathic brain is clearly distinct from the norm: the amygdalas are 18% smaller on average, and a host of other physiological differences. These manifest in trait patterns: a consistent incapacity to feel love, pathological lying habits, tendencies toward violent and blatant disregard for societal norms. Don't pretend like this label can apply to everyone, these patterns clearly set them apart from the standard population.
@Panderichthys rhombolepis No, I meant what I said. But hey thanks for attacking me personally based off your own perceived misunderstanding. That in itself actually proves you absolutely went to college. It's a shame, however, they never thought to teach you how to think.
If you think these traits apply to all humans you're either ignorant or with strong psychopathic traits.
Broadly speaking, yes., these are true of all people but far more prominent in some people. What I've learned in this field, it's my profession, that it's a matter of degree. However, you're correct in that the academic understanding is really skewed when real human beings actually show up. I got into the field thinking I'd understand people more, and what I've learned is to have complete humility when doing evaluation. Because human beings defy classification and understanding. We don't even understand our own personal self. So yes, it's complicated in the real world.
@@michah321 i think anyone who denies these things is simply afraid of what they 'could be.' Psychopaths all have one thing in common amongst themselves, and the population at large. They're human. I think the theres a knifes edge inside all of us. The VAST majority teeter left. However, given the perfect storm of circumstances, some teeter right. I think being 'normal' or being 'psychopathic' boils down to one thing, how impulsive are you? But go look yourself in the mirror and try mouthing the words "ive never wished harm upon another human being" and try telling me the guilt of lying to your own face hasn't intruded upon your well meaning stomache. And I know you weren't critiquing me, just adding to the steady drum beat is all.