As many people said, this community in a way is becoming like fnf. Thousands, if not millions, of kids are making content just for the sake of making content. That kind of mindset and way of working is mainstream. Thank you for speaking out against it, Artemiy. We don’t need this hate anymore. We just want the community to be better again.
Honestly, yeah. I was working on various mods for FNF, but then lots of mods had drama around it. I had kept my mods to just myself working on it, or I'd be scared someone in my team would do some sh*t. The fandom aswell was very much toxic. These along with other points (e.g rule34, rushed by kids wanting release dates, etc) are scaring me from releasing other projects in working on
words cannot describe how pleased I am to see a video like this: a well made, well executed discussion video over the toxic factors of this community. every single topic in this video is most definitely the most important aspects of the community. someone needed to speak the truth about them, and that was you. all of the sheer hate that people are getting for no reason (Sep, Ankaa, Rem) is extremely infuriating and must be dealt with. there should be no reason of why they’re getting attacked. all they’re trying to do is do what they want to do: be themselves and just start doing what they do everyday. but, unfortunately, the community just said, “meh”, and decided to do their worst. the criticism.. I agree.. people take it waaaay too personally and way too seriously. sometimes, the “criticism” isn’t even really criticism. it’s just people downright saying that others suck at doing stuff just because it’s a bad creation. what if it was their first time? they didn’t know what to do. they just gave it their best shot and stuck with it. lastly, the Incredibox community on scratch is just… all over the damn place. hate towards Sep, drama in the comments, toxicity everywhere.. it’s just unbelievable. I never expected a completely different website to have a dark corner beside them. life is insane. communities are insane. the entire world is truly insane. but I’m willing to stand my ground and just tell myself, “just keep going, winded.” I love this doggone community and everyone in it (besides the ones who can’t behave, of course), but having other people in this community act a fool for who knows what reason is honestly disgusting. to those who are reading this, just keep on going. keep thriving to reach achievements. guide yourself to the right path. let the light shine on your journey, not the darkness. this is not a history lesson or a lecture, this is just a message saying.. *this community can change. I know it can. we just gotta work our way up to the finish line.*
Scratch Incredibox wouldn't be that bad of a community if wasn't a kids platform, but unfortunately it is and the amount of toxicity caused by edgy 12 year olds is crazy.
3 years ago, I joined this community. It was really simple and nothing much has happened back then. V8 fanmades were being made, while I'm just sitting on my phone playing versions until V8 releases. It was so simple at the time. When I saw RB's blinding lights mod, I was surprised that you can possibly make mods in such a simple game (though I didn't vision it as shitty, well I guess now I do vision it as dogwater due to low effort). When 2021 came, it was the year where many great mods released. Galaxy, Evadare (demo), you name it. The community really liked it, I was astonished by the designs and the artstyle of how they made the fanmade polos. Then, 2022, the year where a tiny bit of drama happened. It isn't much but, there was existing drama last year. I don't remember what it was, but there was drama that happened. There were also really cool mods that were released. Travis, Evadare, Xrun, Airline and Augury, and etc. Nothing much has happened from what I remember. And then there's 2023. Alot of drama happened, content creators being exposed by their wrong doings, and etc. It affected me and thousands of other people in the community. To this day, I am worried for the future of this community. I just wish this community was brought to a new light, where drama would no longer exist in this community. Being in this community for 3 years has impacted me so much. I just hope next year won't be worse than this year. May god bless us all with good luck for next year.
As much as I try to avoid all of the drama in the community now, I need to admit, you did a very good job explaining all of the problems with the community, from the RB incident, to lovable content creators getting shit on for no reason, to the overdose of shitty Scratch mods, to the unnecessary criticism, this was actually really well-explained. Good job, Artemiy.
Your talk is very accurate about what is happening with this community. As someone who has been in this community since 2020, I miss the good times where the community wasn't toxic and were fine, there was no drama or stupid things, but as the years go by it gets worse with this community, This community is almost very similar to the "bap beep boob" game, And for criticism, I really agree with you, sometimes criticism always makes people sad, where if you make a mistake or make a mod for the first time, you will definitely get criticism or hate by someone *Totally Happen On Soulgem*. And for harassment is totally frking agree with u dude, Where if you don't do anything or take a break to work on the mod they made, the kids will always ask "when was it released?", "why don't you continue with your mod?" And the thing I hate is when the kids always make fake release dates where the mod isn't completely finished and it makes people (including me) start to get annoyed and stressed by that..
Thank you for actually speaking out about all this, maybe now a bigger portion of this community will actually listen this time instead of turning a blind eye. This community is deathly disappointing, I've never felt so unwelcome despite knowing that I did nothing truly wrong. Somehow, some way, I was, and still am, demonized. I've made such content for other stuff before, yet no one has ever whined about 'em. Hell, I know certain content creators in similar communities to Incredibox, and also make similar content to myself, yet _they_ have never received any hate or drama. This community is just wickedly insane, mate. I always was afraid of being shunned in a community back then, but that was for reasons akin to "maybe I have said the wrong thing" or "I have acted indecently to another person". I'm trying my hardest to *make sure* that I do not do such faults, yet somehow... I still got shunned. Even compared to the lowest, filthiest cretin that stained this community. It hurts, man... like what did I do to deserve this kind of treatment? Also, now that I'm also part of a couple of dev teams, yeah nah, kids are also wicked about anticipating future projects, and just how disrespectful they are to content creators. How the hell do any of those brats have the nerve to desire content, yet not have an ounce of respect for those who ARE making the very content they so crave? It's uncivilized, it's stupid. Yet despite all this, I do still feel some semblance of belonging and appreciation in this community, and it's mostly through friends and supporters like you, Rem, and others. And for that, I must thank you for standing up for me. For _us._ All I can hope for is that this all becomes a blurry memory for us all soon... and a memory that we fondly look back to rather than cringe and agonize at. Also no mention of Deck 52? _Unfollowed. _*_Blocked._* ... ... ... Nah, I'm kidding~💜
I hope that one comment I made on your Ace of Spades video really didn't seem too critical, your response made me feel a bit bad... with this community I fear looking like those who actually are like Ace of Spades in the bad ways.
I started being on this community on like 2021 of november, and I was a fan of incredibox, nowadays I'm seeing a bit of negativity and such in this community and it made my feelings horrible, I've also been a fan of you're videos too, like that iceberg video, but now that you've posted this video, i felt very happy seeing someone here understanding the problem on what's happening in this community! I hope things get better from this crappy toxicity next year. And also, nice job on telling some stuff that helped me with a bit while watching, you're the best. 😁
It's just that now people have learned their mistakes and today's important points, I myself learned this (even if I wouldn't do the same but anyway), you could see it all this time in 2023, Living And Learning (SA2 reference?), respecting and civilizing, I basically managed to be part of these things (even with some mess-ups),There were so many bad things that ended up getting worse, such as: the RB case, which was a blow to the heart, triggering attacks against Ankaa, where no one could just ignore her, Senseless attacks against Rem occasionally, using arguments about religion which is a problem, harassment because of a mod just to make you want to play, as if your life didn't exist,Criticism out of context, where people see you as a hater or an asshole for certain things that end up being misinterpreted or something like that, with stupid rules that don't even exist, What ends up taking away your motivation from what you gave your heart to really want to do that, all these things I only saw and felt that maybe I wouldn't be able to stand it either,In case I want to make my mod, but in any case, even with controversies, dramas, bad things, or even bothering you or devaluing you, I don't care about that, Just make an effort in what you like to do, it won't be children who always don't have patience, or controversy to make you question, just get on with life doing your best, and above all so far, I hope you guys learned after everything artemiy talked about, Well, so far everything is fine, and good afternoon
I agree, I am a very small incredibox creator, I am waiting to get a new phone so I can start posting mixs,fanmades,etc. And I already have someone rushing me to hurry up and start posting, it's hard to post on a bad phone and it's even harder when you don't know how to animate yet. I just joined the community in mid 2022 and I'm already being rushed. I just started content creating less than 6 months ago 😭
Very satisfactory. This should be the go-to video for the entire community to watch, though I also think one of the best things for the content creators to do afterwards is to speak up, so everyone can know that they won’t deal with this obscene pressuring.
Sh*t is getting real in the Incredibox community, from little Jimmies asking for release dates the second an Incredibox mod's teaser is announced, to more little Jimmies harassing creators for disgustingly childish reasons and using unrelated, potentially racial topics like religion into the harassment. I'm just hoping that the Incredibox community attracts a more mature and respectful audience.
they wouldn't, the internet is far too dangerous for them anyway, they should just play the offical version of the game and have fun without harassing anybody.@@coolio822
And also the little timmies on scratch have the power to delete a mod by reporting it for stupid reasons like saying that they stole some assets which they made themselves which were later used in other projects, man, I miss the community was just playing the original versions and making mixes on the og incredibox.
This video is so beautifully made just how sadly toxic the community has become, by rushing people, gr**ming, death tr*** all sorts of things its really sad 😕
Oh my goodness, thank you for addressing these issues!! I’ve been noticing these issues, and they’re getting worse in my opinion. But to anyone who sits there and puts pressure on Incredibox mod and project makers, please leave them alone!! Y’all really need to learn patience. Tell me, would you rather have a rushed mod that isn’t that good, or a mod that took more time but sounds amazing?? I get that sometimes it’s hard to wait for something awesome, but that doesn’t mean y’all can just harass creators!! Let’s make the Incredibox community a better place!! 🐝🐝
im not rly one to comment, but ive been in the incredibox community since... around the time jeevan was released, but mostly stayed on the app itself. i first interacted with the fandom when dystopia was released, and wasn't really met with the warmest welcome (since one of my first encounters was with a transphobic lil kid lmao) i personally prefer staying away from the fandom knowing how bad it's become overtime. i just play some silly ol' mods and move on with my life. i agree with all the points you made in this video, and i'm really glad you covered the ongoing issues with the community. thank you for posting this 🙏
To those that believe this community is dead or dying, or that it’s past the point of no return, that everything good in this community is ruined. I implore you to please look as this differently. Abandoning hope is making this worse, this community is not dead, it’s just sick, and we as a collective must do our part to make it better. I’m not denying that there’s issues, or course there’s big problems. But giving up on a growing community doesn’t help it’s growth.
as someone who went into the Incredibox fandom in 2019 at the age of 11, this series has kind of been with me through my teenage years. And I love it. While I admit the amount of mods overwhelmed me over the years and I only sporadically showed interest in 2021-now I can still say I'm a part of this community. Mods like Travis, Evadare, all that stuff, it was really cool. And I was a fan of RB Series way back in 2020 (even though his mods were shotty at best, the one he did for Thriller made me so hyped bc I was obsessed with Michael Jackson at the time) and hearing about the garbage he did... yeah. Not fun. I will say the increase in popularity this game has gave me whiplash. Orin Ayo and whatnot. And I was like "oh man... there are inevitably gonna be kids in this fandom" and I was right. Like everyone else said, the FNF effect. Let's just hope there aren't as many creeps in this fandom (besides RB) like FNF has in theirs. also Artemiy. You have been and will continue to be one of my favorite creators in this fandom. And hey, I understand why you wouldn't want to make as much content as usual, yk? I really do. And I won't be begging for content like those kids do. Take your time, man. You rock.
I was aware of most of these, I do quickly want to say that I do have a few scratch versions I'm working on that I know aren't going to be the best, even if I'm a band student and thus have experience with music, but man, some of the things on that platform are not really that good in my opinion (*cough* *cough* Trillybox because of the fact it doesn't really sound good and uses that axel guy from a meme that originates from something that is 18+ and I feel like it's trying to hard to be funny *cough* *cough*) and some that are overrated (like Orin Ayo and Breakthrough), I really am only working on those for fun
I usually get motivated by the community, and this game motivated me to ACTUALLY do something, which was years ago, i restored faithin this community just because some modmakers do give inspiration and do put effort in their work and taking their time, and with the release of various mods and V9 i got motivated even more to do some, but with the things happening earlier, i just got unmotivated and working on something making me rise is dead I wanted to make a mod (not fanmade) and even with studying i was still spriting and composing things, but as i said, the thingw earlier made me feel like people are losing hope and leaving this community, I hope this community be the same as past...
I've really been wanting to make a scratch mod with my own characters and whatnot, but I just don't have enough sound experience, and of course the things you mentioned. I'd love to put effort and care into my creation but it's just foolish to ignore the elephant in the room, that being the scratch mod community. My respect goes out to all the great creators out there, Ankaa, Rem, Sep, you Artemiy, Splat, and so much more. (Also yeah I know you mentioned scratch games aren't "mods" but it's what I'm used to and saying Scratch Incredibox Game every time is like, 1% more inconvenient that saying scratch mod GOSH)
(Sorry guys, I don't know much English, I'm a bit young and I have to use a translator, so some words may be misspelled.) As a fan of this incredible game, I have also had the idea of creating my own mod, but not having enough resources such as my own computer, it remains that way...just an idea, in addition to seeing great projects and see how it takes so long, being an entire team behind the development, each one in charge of certain things, until they get to polishing it and I say wow!😮 What a great job by these people. And I'm somewhat afraid of doing it from my poor cell phone and that it's just a recolor of any existing version with horrible sounds and noises as I have no idea how the game and its movements really work. and it's more than a joke haha. 😅 I'd rather put it aside and enjoy the great content from the professionals and support them however I can. considering all the hard work they do and how tiring it must be. Hopefully this community can continue to move forward in a good way and not end up full of toxicity like many others. 😔
As a young scratch fanmade project maker, i can see why sepezz feels this way. I’ve been working on multiple big scratch projects, including incredimonsters. But people keep trying to rush me. Also the clickbait channels making clickbait content out of my work, i dont know how to tell them i dont want them to make videos about my project. The incredibox x msm videos you’ve been seeing, i made them. I’ve also taken the criticism from other people and it really helped me make my animation & design way better. I feel like i have also been apart of the problem too, like when i lash out on people that say that they dont like my projects.
As someone who has been in the Incredibox Community for many years, I have been silent. And I'm glad I am staying silent. Drama is exactly what Ruins not only the community, But the Game Itself. Even the enjoyment of the game can go down. No matter what, there will always be trolls and haters, and even drama. We have to hope for the best. let's hope that the community will stay positive.
I have not been in the community as much recently but I feel like saying something… I miss when the community used to be be smaller so many people knew each other, such as in the Incredibox wiki. I loved the Incredibox wiki community in 2020/early 2021. Seeing people work together to complete the wiki was some of my best experiences. Since the wiki has included mods, it has become much harder to have an I.M.P.O.T. again… I do appreciate people finding Incredibox and the creation of mods by beginners, but there is a certain charm to when expectations were lower for the output of mods.
I'm on incredibox community since 2020. When cov*d hit the year and places were lockdown, one day I saw a video about a youtuber playing v1 incredibox, it caught my attention and I'm so loved this game and quickly installed it not only it has my country but also its lore, yeah I'm from India and V7 has the sounds of India I loved it. Anyway my main point is I didn't know that there was a incredibox community up until 2021 when I watched many increditubers made & showcasing their mods, I also tried it too especially RB series but now I'm no longer like his mods not because he did something awful but also because of his Fanbase, I'm shocked to see how his fans said to him after he said he's taking a break, they said "don't worry just take a break" Or "I know you'll do better". Thinking it's just like *Artemiy* says because of some stupid kids this community is on a edge. I hope if any of these kids reading this comments, PLEASE DON'T BE TOXIC AND MEAN TO THE DEVELOPERS FOR LATE RELEASES FOR MODS AND OTHERS TO HARASS THEM, IF NOT JUST LEAVE THIS COMMUNITY😠.
@@davidtapley2932 you know about *Noah knows* ? He's the one who introduced to me incredibox. I watched his maybe Little miss, then sunrise and Alive And Jeevan, lastly Dystopia. So yeah I loved his reaction on bonuses as well
I’m actually having hard times when uploading videos. Due to my school and work, It’s been hard to upload videos. People always ask me when is the next video, I usually get stressed about this. I kinda have to cram or rush when making a video. Once I made this youtube channel, It was nice, (since I made this during vacation)But now looking at it now, Its kinda hard to handle such a big thing in your life.
I respect what you said not all people are enjoying the work and the fundamental parts of the Incredibox community. It is a shame that even minors take it as an advantage to put pressure on the creator. Not only that even some creator had some strange or unsettling presence like the first one you are saying. And I hope you have steady and healthy relationships with your friends and the community, because I believe you are not that type of person who is just taking it for granted you are the person who shares and gives honest feedback. And thank you for your time to read this message from one of your subscribers/fans. :-)
This makes me sad... Been part of the community for a long time. I haven't been there in a while for similar and personal reasons. I've said and done some bad things too, some mean it or not, I wish I could go back..
i feel like everytime a fandom's made, kids get dragged to it, even fandoms for media mostly for adults has kids in it! its horrible! i just wish that not all of them consisted of a daycare inside of em
I have to say, I was never a fan regarding your way of thinking forwards fanmade Incredibox Versions or Incredibox Mods. But at the same time I have to agree with all of your pointed out topics in this video. I may think different regarding the creator Community around Incredibox but I totally understand and share the same points you did. Thank you Artemiy for also talking about those type of topics. ^^
I love this video! Another thing I'd like to add is, I like orin ayo, but I feel like people giving it so much attention seems a little unfair. It paved the way for incredibox horror mods in a way that seems low quality. Incredibox is supposed to be about music. If you want a story, then go ahead and add it, but the story should come second. In the mod, the sounds just sounds so... Boring. You can't really make a proper mix with it. It needs more love and polish, and I feel like it'll flourish if it wasn't a scratch mod. A mod that's in development that seems interesting is project monochrome. It's not out yet, but the one teaser that's out holds promise.
I honestly hope that things improve in the community and that this video helps it. It's been pretty horrible the way I've seen people treat the modders and artist themselves as if that'll make things go faster. People who don't understand how the development of anything works are the ones who are always wanting to rush things. And I've been somewhat guilty if that myself when I asked in a qna to the Coldbox team about a release date. Which yeah, there was but looking back on it I probably should've asked something else. I've been making my own assets for a while but I'm kinda scared to even post em at the moment. Quick note: I don't know how to mod, or animate (yet). I've just been making polos out of indie game characters.
Honestly this was a great video, thank you for making this and I agree on everything you said, witch mostly I was focused on the crtisism. I once was like a Incredibox person where I would ask for the release date and ask like witch are the effects or melodies. Now I would be glad to have a mod come out instantly but not were is gonna show everything W.I.P. Like I now respect the Increibox mod makers and I want them to take there time and give it there all, and mostly because I dont want to waste my time on asking a stupid question that I know wont get answered. Like when the mechanic & bonfire teaser was shown. I was actually hands down in love with the mod, I loved everything about it and I was exited the full version was comming, but when it realeased, I was happy and all but there was one problem. IT WASNT DONE. Like the bonus in Mechanic wasnt done and bonfire's effect 2 and all 5 voices werent done. and it taught me a lesson, I want a mod to come out to be clean a polished, thats what I was wanting for the mod Mechanic and bonfire, and I wouldnt say it was clean and polished. So the lesson for all of you Incrediboxers, If you are exited for an Incredibox mod or fanmade, dont rush them and If you do, your not gonna really get the mod your hopeing for. instead, you will get polos that say W.I.P. and also Mechanic and bonfire im not saying it sucks, im saying its unfinished. And actually, coldbox is my favorite mod for me, its my personal fav. it just sounds amazing. and we all have types of genres of music we like listening to, and incredibox is kinda like that, so dont judge people on what there favorite incredibo mod or fanmade is. your just doing wrong. and also Artemiy, your mod travis is also really good and its like it was made by incredibox, fully the best mod ive seen. Also, an S tier. I hope your doing okay and that you will strive in making incredibox mods, and content. Wow i wrote a whole essay and if you made it this far, thanks for reading lol.
I’m not much of an in-depth incredibox community fan but this video helped me realize what’s really been coming on and I feel very sorry for you, rem , Ankara and all the other incredibox and scratch developers I do hope this video helps dial down the criticism
Finally! Someone who understands mods made by kids aren’t bad because they’re kids, but because they’re new! I guess, in a way, it’s kind of the same thing, but I’ve heard people say kids are just straight up dumb. I’m not saying they can’t be (unreasonable harassment, asking for a release date over and over again, etc.), but some people have the mindset we’re just clueless in the world. We aren’t all 5 years old. We can think. We just need to learn. And, yea, people need to stop praising first mods by creators that they’re flawless, even if the creator themselves know about them. Just state what you think could be improved on, and let them decide to take note or not. If they don’t? That’s on them. And, just as Artemy said, if you get criticized on a creation you made, then don’t be afraid to take note. That’s also just a decision for you to make, but it doesn’t hurt trying.
I stepped away from the community as a whole. Coming across your video now and you, informing me of past incidents that I know and new issues being brought up, I feel relieved about my decision. I also hope that one day the community can go back to what it once was: a heartbeat of dedication and quality pumping through all of us to not only do our best, but to add to the love of what is this incredible game and inspire others to do the same. Incredibox is the main reason why I began beatboxing, and I’ve been doing it for five years now, but to learn about the disarray of a community that I hold dear, it hurts me. I wish you nothing but the best Artemiy, thank you for discussing these topics, and bringing me into loving Incredibox even more.
5:29 for those who haven't watched the video yet, at this point, artemiy addresses the allegations against ankaa avarshina (that she makes porn art). I can already state why its wrong that these people are harassing her for doing such art, and I can also explain why these people are hypocrites. You see, even if ankaa makes pornography, at least she doesn't make underaged porn, like rb (influenced people to make) And the reason I think these people are hypocrites is because a lot of them likely watch this type of content (being pornography) a lot, so you can see why they're hypocrites to harass Ankaa.
The reason why I kept moving and stepping away, was because the community feels like it's only there to see... well Incredibox than see you as a creator. The connection feels very hollow. I put many HOURS and even days into the videos that I do. Outside of Incredibox the community can be very harassing and telling me to come back when I no longer feel the passion towards the game anymore, and moving on is very difficult since it's the only thing people want to see. I feel like as a content creator that covered mods within this space, you get hit with a lot of extremist and elitist views on things which can also push you away. You can only do Incredibox for so long before having the feeling of moving on. Again, I could milk the same video over and over, and make braindead content, but out of choice for my own mentality... It was time to move on, and potentially come back when I feel that passion towards the game again.
Truthfully, yeah, I completely agree with you here. People suck man, people absolutely suck. BUT I have absolutely so much fun making content for this community, and I'd never dream of leaving, and I'm happy you don't either. Something that caught my eye was the Arbox thing, are you truly okay with someone recreating Arbox like my team is doing? Most people have been kinda against it, wishing the mod to die, but we want the legacy to live on, and for Arby's influence to die. Thanks for the video!
I think a big takeaway from all of this is that you shouldn't let a shotty online community keep you from making something great. This community is defined by the things that creators make, so those of you that are working hard on making your own mods, keep going at it and take as much time as you need. You're probably gonna end up saving this community (no pressure). I think we can all agree that Incredibox is something special and we'd hate to see it die just because of a handful of immature and delusional people (i.e. kids begging for release dates or the ignorant people who still support RB despite literally everything). Edit: Let's just be glad RB didn't make UA-cam a lot of money otherwise they never would've deleted their UA-cam account
Ever since the RB - Series incident, I did find a video and found out that he returned!! I was surprised about it and I thought that it was going to be worse even though his new channel is named RB Inc. and since I knew almost everything that had happened back at the RB - Series' incident and at his first post saying that he was "starting over", I don't know if he could be trusted, but I just hope the Incredibox Community will see the bright side of things.
Y'know, this video is really weird to me, but not in a bad way, just a weird way. I've been around Incredibox for over a decade now but I've NEVER interacted with the community up until very recently by watching your videos, so learning that the community not only is toxic but filled with kids is SUCH a whiplash feeling. In my head, I was genuinely thinking that the community was a vast majority (And I mean like 99%) of adults (Because, again, Incredibox has been around for over a decade now, and as someone that grew up on flash games, Incredibox was one of them) and mostly very respectful because I've never heard of anything drama-related about Incredibox before. This is weird to me, because I really do not care about the community because I've never interacted with it yet at the same time I am SO sad to learn that the community is like this, like, DAMN, this actually sucks. Hope the community gets better though, all the luck to y'all.
@@artemiykopychHonestly, this community is turning into that community. I feel like official mods deserve more attention than scratch. Sadly, I have to stick with the scratch fanmades because I have a chromebook and I'm not able to download adobe animate or getting in the files of the game. I hope this community will go back to how it was before in 2024
I talked to a few people a while back about RB and i was told he was just being bullied and that he was a really sweet guy in reality. I never talked to him much but its interesting how that info about him in your video was apparently kept from me. Good video!!
Although I still form a little bit part of the incredibox community i really ever expected that there whould be alot of drama involved and i really never knew
My opinion on these things: RB- What he did is disgusting and I didn't understand what had happened until now and yes, his mods weren't that good, they didn't convey anything to me. Ankaa- If she does what she does it's because she knows what she is doing and therefore she has taken precautions, I don't know why we should attack her for this. The whole Scratch situation - I'm also a content creator who creates mods on Scratch and I know very well that they are not at the level of the official ones and therefore they are not "professional". Scratch mods are getting worse with all the kids trying to make mods just because, well, they can do it, the mods of our part of the community can also be beautiful and well made, as was precisely the case with Sepbox (a masterpiece) , I'm also developing a mod, but I'm taking it slow and when it's ready, it'll be ready. Regarding the hypersaturation of mods, I can understand it, as you already said and as I said too, it's full of kids making random mods like trillybox, I try to find quality mods on Scratch and there are some nice ones and others also very beautiful (like Sepbox). In conclusion, the Scratch community could improve and I fully agree with you! Ah! If you can help me with the entries for my mod I would be grateful, thanks... ;)
I feel pity for what happened of this community, i am scared, scared that this community will collapse in fromt of our eyes... Thank you Kopy, i hope that people understand...
And I add another thing: I am surprised that Seppez Does very good mods and i'm jealous! Because he has my same age! I'm sorry that left the community for a while for that p pressure...
I have been quite the victim of harassment for my mod and im sick of it. It has felt ruined since the begining. Not even just incredikids just people. IA ruined my mod even since he joined the team and cause people to leave and become upset and once i kicked him i lost a vital team member who did much work, that being greeny. Hes back now but for that short time we lost much progress then splatjack came along. I dont hate splat that much but the demo was a disaster, splat made almost all the sounds and the coding was disasterous. Splat ruined the reputation of my mod. I donttt hate him and i dont wanna slam him into the ground bc i actually like being around him as hes not a jackass unlike ia. Also express is awesome. Also i thank artemiy for learning that the way he reviews things isnt all that correct and mabye ill watch more reviews from artem now that they may be more genuine. So yea, if artemiy reads this thank you for addressing all of this.
I knew things were bad, but not THIS bad. None the less I hope you and your peers don't get overwhelmed with the current status the community is going through and that the incredibox community can hopefully push pass this and prevail!
As an incredibox fan since v6 just came out which I don’t know when that was I never really was in the community that much more like a fan of the game and really liked playing it and more so with the mods that come out I even saw a really good teaser for a mod based on the clocks from the unreleased album Side note I kinda wish I was able to watch Noah knows since that’s how I found incredibox
As a super small creator in scratch I agree, I’m not the oldest and I have no experience, but I still do it for fun and I enjoy it. I and have noticed the toxicity but I still have fun. We all should just have fun that’s it this is a music game not politics.
Not suprised almost every community on a game can be toxic when said game gets popular. But as long as the issues are addressed along with improvements then there is a high chance that everything will come back as normal.
As much as I want to say there is some good in this community, it's a little hard to say that when there's constant toxicity going around. First of all, the people who are in this community. Of course, a lot of them are kids and we have to understand that, but kids are EASILY influenced by many things. Because of all the internet trends going around, it seems the kids have taken a liking toward being EXTREMELY toxic and turn toward straight up bullying when they see something they don't like. Sure, we all have things that we hate, but why express such hatred toward such thing? Unfortunately, that's something that the internet kids are going to grow out of YEARS from now. Seriously, a lot of people just need a slap of reality or some sort of "talk" to just wake the heck up. Why are we letting this community get to the point where it's comparable to other really toxic communities? Something else I want to point out is the point that Artemy mentioned with Ankaa, the maturity of people. I myself am a victim to this, I've commented things that I really shouldn't have, and I'm really sorry that I let it happen. On the contrary, people who just HAVE to say something about parts that biological females have, we need to talk about that. Is it worth making a big deal about a part of a woman that you know, exists in real life? It's not just on the internet, woman in the real world also have those parts. Would you say the same thing to a person in the real world as you would on the internet? If not, then there you fricken go. If so, grow the heck up. To add onto that, the kids who have been exposed to things like violence, profanity and all that, really, how bad is suggestive art compared to decapitating people? I'd also like to bring up what Artemy said about bringing up religion to justify expressing disapproval...just stop man, it's not the creator's choice to have their viewers look at their content. Last thing I want to expand on is the criticism towards content creators. THEY'RE HUMAN BEINGS TOO, THEY'RE NOT MINDLESS TRIPLE A CORPORATES. These people put TIME and EFFORT into what they do, stop treating them like they're doing all this for a quick buck. I think I've said enough, I hope people understand.
Artemiy i only watched this whole video that i loved your content but the fact that you are not gonna retire you are just gonna take a break for while and i always loved your videos very much so here is the message i apologize for this toxic community of the whole drama i hope you are having a special day and im sorry for telling that travis bonus 2 is fake so have a nice day
As someone who makes scratch fanmades, I always wonder where my constructive criticism is, I never receive it, only praises, or else they don't put anything
13:26 I approve of what he said, especially because in the first video I tried to explain some things about my Mod, it was very difficult to form a correct sentence, because I'm Brazilian, and when I try to speak in English, I have a lot of difficulty saying something that isn't wrong, but unlike you, I didn't use any script, I just spoke and left it at that. That's what I really wanted to say! :)
I'll say this, the fact that kids put the weight on mods creators to release mods and rush them is overwhelmingly abysmal, and it sucks to see a community that is filled with creative minds just to be taken down by impatient kids who can't even spell the word community is just awful. I hope that this issue of kids screaming for release dates comes to an end because they don't know what carnage there bringing by doing that. You sir Artemiy, have a good day
It’s getting increasingly depressing to see the Incredibox community slowly following the same path of that of the FNF community, and some others that has also fallen to the same fate, especially to the former. It’s great to see that Incredibox has a recent boom in popularity (alongside with another music related game that I’ve been in for years as well that also had the same popularity treatment last year in late November, to early December.), but this comes with the cost of people who are VERY content hungry, and would pump out stuff without taking their time to make things actually work properly, or be the very best it could offer for those to enjoy it, which also is influenced by those who wants more too quickly, thus being _very_ impatient towards those who actually wanted to have their creations be the very best they could offer. Every community I’ve been in will always have at least 5-10+ kids in the comments begging content creators, mod creators, fan creators, or even the DEVS of the games they make, to update their game faster, making them very impatient to wait for things to be ready, letting it be out of the oven half baked, to literally just still being a pile of raw cookie dough. If there’s one thing that kids (or any stubborn impatient person in general) needs to learn, is to be patient. This has been said many, MANY times before, and I will quote it again: Patience is a virtue, and good things come for those who wait. You can’t have something good, and functional if it’s been rushed, and end up crumbling apart if not left to be planned carefully, polished, or taken with the utmost care put into it. This is why it’s important to be taught about patience in the first place, cause if not taught well, then half of the internet, if not, more than half the planet outside of the digital world, would be filled with very impatient people. I’m very surprised by how fast all of this goes down within a few months, to even weeks, for how much the community has changed, for better, or worse. There’s much more i’d like to talk about, but I’ll spare everyone with a comment being the whole length of the Webster’s Dictionary.
8:13 This is how I feel whenever little kids comment on my non Msm videos mindlessly begging me for Msm content, someone even threatened my entire animation career if I didn’t make an extended version of a random Msm skit! Like I took a fnaf song called: Five More Nights, and I made a shirt skit out of it with MSM characters, and then little kids kept begging me for the full version when in fact it already is the full version, I also remember a time when I made a short animation that isn’t related to msm, and then some kid told me to make an msm animation or else they will delete their channel, like some just started threatening me! Thank goodness the hype died down on my channel
I’ve only been in this community this year, and it has been the greatest year, I became better at making mixes, and a whole lot more, including you artemiy, until I noticed in the comments for teasers, there is so much harassment, people asking for release date, even for ankaa people are getting mad at her for making “NSFW” even tho she is an adult, with her own life, etc. even seppez leaving the community for a while. Splat jack’s work getting leaked, and a whole lot more. But I will stay in this community *even tho I’m not a big youtuber* until it dies out, because I want to see how it ends, and because there is good in this community.
At first I was very happy when I found out that incredibox had gained popularity, but now... It would be better if this game remained a small flash game.
tbh i kinda relate to you speaking about the english problem, since i do too struggle to communicate well, i only hope you can improve where you consider is necessary (ahh, feels good be more unknown and not having kiddos asking for release dates C":)
I know this isn't the point of the video, but what is the Scratch fanmade shown at 7:11 (lol)? That character is The Whistling Man from Killer Frequency, and the art looks great, so I'd love to try it!
You see that kids on the internet? Next time be grateful in this community and Don't cause anymore trouble, You're welcome c: Also, Thank you Artemiy for the video c:
Just for you to know, I've been trying to find a engine where I can make Incredibox mods, but, I didn't get any info about it, so i moved to scratch. I also cry myself to sleep because people are harassing me and stuff. I hope the community gets better and there will be less harassment.
Hey hang in there bro. There are still some good people left in the community. We just gotta ride it out while the shit storm is rolling through. As for mod tools, do you know about BOOGO x SEAL? I’m not entirely sure how they work but I hear their a good place to start
Yeah, I had second thoughts of joining, and I still want to because I am interested of becoming I Dev myself So I can test my creativity and I like to interact with very people like you, Ankaa(Raylene)was already one. But yeah I was hoping to join up this next year, and I hope no more sins come to this Fandom, there already three, we hoping the four remaining sins DO NOT SHOW THEMSELVES.
Ehh... Game communities nowadays... Well it's not that bad when you think about it, but it gets really messed up if you overthink it... Man, I hope incredibox doesn't get a toxic community, I sure hope it doesn't...
In short, the armed bonuses are making the story to go completely messed up, adding lot of unnecessary characters that we didn't care about, and also the bonuses have traced assets from One Piece. The sounds could also be more polished
@@artemiykopychOH LOL tbh I liked the armed bonuses BECAUSE they are so stupid and weird. I would watch them with my friends and they are Lowkey hilarious because they make literally no sense (my favorite part is when they do that scuffed anime style)
@@artemiykopychOh, the bonuses are horrible. I was extemely confused when it suddenly switched to an anime art style. Didn't even know it was traced, either. I thought the sounds were pretty good, though. Seeing your full opinion would be nice.
i'm sad to watch this community crumble. As many people have compared this to the fnf community, as this place gets filled with kids, it also gets filled with pred@tors. how sad.
I find a problem with developers releasing teasers is they just release teasers way TOO EARLY it’s not like their fault for the harassment. But it’s just a thing I see is people release teasers when they have like 3 sounds done total and the hype is WAY too big for the amount of stuff done.
As many people said, this community in a way is becoming like fnf. Thousands, if not millions, of kids are making content just for the sake of making content. That kind of mindset and way of working is mainstream. Thank you for speaking out against it, Artemiy. We don’t need this hate anymore. We just want the community to be better again.
fnf is 53000 times worse
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Honestly, yeah. I was working on various mods for FNF, but then lots of mods had drama around it. I had kept my mods to just myself working on it, or I'd be scared someone in my team would do some sh*t.
The fandom aswell was very much toxic. These along with other points (e.g rule34, rushed by kids wanting release dates, etc) are scaring me from releasing other projects in working on
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@@VoidWantsCola best choice you couldhave made, nothing good to find there
Finally, somebody who goes into the depths of each problem one at a time. Thanks for making this.
words cannot describe how pleased I am to see a video like this: a well made, well executed discussion video over the toxic factors of this community.
every single topic in this video is most definitely the most important aspects of the community. someone needed to speak the truth about them, and that was you.
all of the sheer hate that people are getting for no reason (Sep, Ankaa, Rem) is extremely infuriating and must be dealt with. there should be no reason of why they’re getting attacked. all they’re trying to do is do what they want to do: be themselves and just start doing what they do everyday. but, unfortunately, the community just said, “meh”, and decided to do their worst.
the criticism.. I agree.. people take it waaaay too personally and way too seriously. sometimes, the “criticism” isn’t even really criticism. it’s just people downright saying that others suck at doing stuff just because it’s a bad creation. what if it was their first time? they didn’t know what to do. they just gave it their best shot and stuck with it.
lastly, the Incredibox community on scratch is just… all over the damn place. hate towards Sep, drama in the comments, toxicity everywhere.. it’s just unbelievable. I never expected a completely different website to have a dark corner beside them.
life is insane. communities are insane. the entire world is truly insane. but I’m willing to stand my ground and just tell myself, “just keep going, winded.” I love this doggone community and everyone in it (besides the ones who can’t behave, of course), but having other people in this community act a fool for who knows what reason is honestly disgusting.
to those who are reading this, just keep on going. keep thriving to reach achievements. guide yourself to the right path. let the light shine on your journey, not the darkness.
this is not a history lesson or a lecture, this is just a message saying..
*this community can change. I know it can. we just gotta work our way up to the finish line.*
Scratch Incredibox wouldn't be that bad of a community if wasn't a kids platform, but unfortunately it is and the amount of toxicity caused by edgy 12 year olds is crazy.
I aint readin' allat, but I agree
im 11...@@Fresh_Lake_Water
Thank you man 🥹 I too believe that this community can change. I hope it doesn't stay like this forever. 😢
3 years ago, I joined this community. It was really simple and nothing much has happened back then. V8 fanmades were being made, while I'm just sitting on my phone playing versions until V8 releases. It was so simple at the time. When I saw RB's blinding lights mod, I was surprised that you can possibly make mods in such a simple game (though I didn't vision it as shitty, well I guess now I do vision it as dogwater due to low effort). When 2021 came, it was the year where many great mods released. Galaxy, Evadare (demo), you name it. The community really liked it, I was astonished by the designs and the artstyle of how they made the fanmade polos. Then, 2022, the year where a tiny bit of drama happened. It isn't much but, there was existing drama last year. I don't remember what it was, but there was drama that happened. There were also really cool mods that were released. Travis, Evadare, Xrun, Airline and Augury, and etc. Nothing much has happened from what I remember. And then there's 2023. Alot of drama happened, content creators being exposed by their wrong doings, and etc. It affected me and thousands of other people in the community. To this day, I am worried for the future of this community. I just wish this community was brought to a new light, where drama would no longer exist in this community. Being in this community for 3 years has impacted me so much. I just hope next year won't be worse than this year.
May god bless us all with good luck for next year.
As much as I try to avoid all of the drama in the community now, I need to admit, you did a very good job explaining all of the problems with the community, from the RB incident, to lovable content creators getting shit on for no reason, to the overdose of shitty Scratch mods, to the unnecessary criticism, this was actually really well-explained. Good job, Artemiy.
What is the RB incident? Am I missing something? Nevermind, I just watched the video
Your talk is very accurate about what is happening with this community.
As someone who has been in this community since 2020, I miss the good times where the community wasn't toxic and were fine, there was no drama or stupid things, but as the years go by it gets worse with this community, This community is almost very similar to the "bap beep boob" game,
And for criticism, I really agree with you, sometimes criticism always makes people sad, where if you make a mistake or make a mod for the first time, you will definitely get criticism or hate by someone *Totally Happen On Soulgem*.
And for harassment is totally frking agree with u dude, Where if you don't do anything or take a break to work on the mod they made, the kids will always ask "when was it released?", "why don't you continue with your mod?" And the thing I hate is when the kids always make fake release dates where the mod isn't completely finished and it makes people (including me) start to get annoyed and stressed by that..
listen to this guy because he definitely has first hand experience
NO way blud
Thank you for actually speaking out about all this, maybe now a bigger portion of this community will actually listen this time instead of turning a blind eye.
This community is deathly disappointing, I've never felt so unwelcome despite knowing that I did nothing truly wrong. Somehow, some way, I was, and still am, demonized. I've made such content for other stuff before, yet no one has ever whined about 'em. Hell, I know certain content creators in similar communities to Incredibox, and also make similar content to myself, yet _they_ have never received any hate or drama. This community is just wickedly insane, mate. I always was afraid of being shunned in a community back then, but that was for reasons akin to "maybe I have said the wrong thing" or "I have acted indecently to another person". I'm trying my hardest to *make sure* that I do not do such faults, yet somehow... I still got shunned. Even compared to the lowest, filthiest cretin that stained this community. It hurts, man... like what did I do to deserve this kind of treatment?
Also, now that I'm also part of a couple of dev teams, yeah nah, kids are also wicked about anticipating future projects, and just how disrespectful they are to content creators. How the hell do any of those brats have the nerve to desire content, yet not have an ounce of respect for those who ARE making the very content they so crave? It's uncivilized, it's stupid.
Yet despite all this, I do still feel some semblance of belonging and appreciation in this community, and it's mostly through friends and supporters like you, Rem, and others. And for that, I must thank you for standing up for me. For _us._ All I can hope for is that this all becomes a blurry memory for us all soon... and a memory that we fondly look back to rather than cringe and agonize at.
Also no mention of Deck 52? _Unfollowed. _*_Blocked._* ... ... ... Nah, I'm kidding~💜
Well, if you would release a teaser of how your project will sound, then I would definitely share it lol
@@artemiykopych XD well too late now, buuuut eh, relatively soon, I will :>
I hope that one comment I made on your Ace of Spades video really didn't seem too critical, your response made me feel a bit bad... with this community I fear looking like those who actually are like Ace of Spades in the bad ways.
I started being on this community on like 2021 of november, and I was a fan of incredibox, nowadays I'm seeing a bit of negativity and such in this community and it made my feelings horrible, I've also been a fan of you're videos too, like that iceberg video, but now that you've posted this video, i felt very happy seeing someone here understanding the problem on what's happening in this community! I hope things get better from this crappy toxicity next year.
And also, nice job on telling some stuff that helped me with a bit while watching, you're the best. 😁
It's just that now people have learned their mistakes and today's important points, I myself learned this (even if I wouldn't do the same but anyway), you could see it all this time in 2023, Living And Learning (SA2 reference?), respecting and civilizing, I basically managed to be part of these things (even with some mess-ups),There were so many bad things that ended up getting worse, such as: the RB case, which was a blow to the heart, triggering attacks against Ankaa, where no one could just ignore her, Senseless attacks against Rem occasionally, using arguments about religion which is a problem, harassment because of a mod just to make you want to play, as if your life didn't exist,Criticism out of context, where people see you as a hater or an asshole for certain things that end up being misinterpreted or something like that, with stupid rules that don't even exist, What ends up taking away your motivation from what you gave your heart to really want to do that, all these things I only saw and felt that maybe I wouldn't be able to stand it either,In case I want to make my mod, but in any case, even with controversies, dramas, bad things, or even bothering you or devaluing you, I don't care about that, Just make an effort in what you like to do, it won't be children who always don't have patience, or controversy to make you question, just get on with life doing your best, and above all so far, I hope you guys learned after everything artemiy talked about, Well, so far everything is fine, and good afternoon
I agree, I am a very small incredibox creator, I am waiting to get a new phone so I can start posting mixs,fanmades,etc. And I already have someone rushing me to hurry up and start posting, it's hard to post on a bad phone and it's even harder when you don't know how to animate yet. I just joined the community in mid 2022 and I'm already being rushed. I just started content creating less than 6 months ago 😭
I Am deciding to instead of making a mod on scratch, I want to take the time and work to make a actually decent sounding mod instead of half asking i.
Very satisfactory. This should be the go-to video for the entire community to watch, though I also think one of the best things for the content creators to do afterwards is to speak up, so everyone can know that they won’t deal with this obscene pressuring.
!!!!!!HYDRATION MAN????? (bruh I'm late
Sh*t is getting real in the Incredibox community, from little Jimmies asking for release dates the second an Incredibox mod's teaser is announced, to more little Jimmies harassing creators for disgustingly childish reasons and using unrelated, potentially racial topics like religion into the harassment. I'm just hoping that the Incredibox community attracts a more mature and respectful audience.
So where would the children who like the game go to?
they wouldn't, the internet is far too dangerous for them anyway, they should just play the offical version of the game and have fun without harassing anybody.@@coolio822
And also the little timmies on scratch have the power to delete a mod by reporting it for stupid reasons like saying that they stole some assets which they made themselves which were later used in other projects, man, I miss the community was just playing the original versions and making mixes on the og incredibox.
I appreciate everything he said, I am very happy someone went into detail about the big issues happening in the community at the moment.
This video is so beautifully made just how sadly toxic the community has become, by rushing people, gr**ming, death tr*** all sorts of things its really sad 😕
Oh my goodness, thank you for addressing these issues!! I’ve been noticing these issues, and they’re getting worse in my opinion. But to anyone who sits there and puts pressure on Incredibox mod and project makers, please leave them alone!! Y’all really need to learn patience. Tell me, would you rather have a rushed mod that isn’t that good, or a mod that took more time but sounds amazing?? I get that sometimes it’s hard to wait for something awesome, but that doesn’t mean y’all can just harass creators!! Let’s make the Incredibox community a better place!! 🐝🐝
im not rly one to comment, but ive been in the incredibox community since... around the time jeevan was released, but mostly stayed on the app itself. i first interacted with the fandom when dystopia was released, and wasn't really met with the warmest welcome (since one of my first encounters was with a transphobic lil kid lmao)
i personally prefer staying away from the fandom knowing how bad it's become overtime. i just play some silly ol' mods and move on with my life.
i agree with all the points you made in this video, and i'm really glad you covered the ongoing issues with the community. thank you for posting this 🙏
To those that believe this community is dead or dying, or that it’s past the point of no return, that everything good in this community is ruined. I implore you to please look as this differently. Abandoning hope is making this worse, this community is not dead, it’s just sick, and we as a collective must do our part to make it better. I’m not denying that there’s issues, or course there’s big problems. But giving up on a growing community doesn’t help it’s growth.
as someone who went into the Incredibox fandom in 2019 at the age of 11, this series has kind of been with me through my teenage years. And I love it. While I admit the amount of mods overwhelmed me over the years and I only sporadically showed interest in 2021-now I can still say I'm a part of this community. Mods like Travis, Evadare, all that stuff, it was really cool. And I was a fan of RB Series way back in 2020 (even though his mods were shotty at best, the one he did for Thriller made me so hyped bc I was obsessed with Michael Jackson at the time) and hearing about the garbage he did... yeah. Not fun.
I will say the increase in popularity this game has gave me whiplash. Orin Ayo and whatnot. And I was like "oh man... there are inevitably gonna be kids in this fandom" and I was right. Like everyone else said, the FNF effect. Let's just hope there aren't as many creeps in this fandom (besides RB) like FNF has in theirs.
also Artemiy. You have been and will continue to be one of my favorite creators in this fandom. And hey, I understand why you wouldn't want to make as much content as usual, yk? I really do. And I won't be begging for content like those kids do. Take your time, man. You rock.
I was aware of most of these, I do quickly want to say that I do have a few scratch versions I'm working on that I know aren't going to be the best, even if I'm a band student and thus have experience with music, but man, some of the things on that platform are not really that good in my opinion (*cough* *cough* Trillybox because of the fact it doesn't really sound good and uses that axel guy from a meme that originates from something that is 18+ and I feel like it's trying to hard to be funny *cough* *cough*) and some that are overrated (like Orin Ayo and Breakthrough), I really am only working on those for fun
I usually get motivated by the community, and this game motivated me to ACTUALLY do something, which was years ago, i restored faithin this community just because some modmakers do give inspiration and do put effort in their work and taking their time, and with the release of various mods and V9 i got motivated even more to do some, but with the things happening earlier, i just got unmotivated and working on something making me rise is dead
I wanted to make a mod (not fanmade) and even with studying i was still spriting and composing things, but as i said, the thingw earlier made me feel like people are losing hope and leaving this community,
I hope this community be the same as past...
Add to that some modmakers did made me feel like doing something, from inspiration only to actually making the thing i thought about
I understand about the problem with this, Thank you for making this
I've really been wanting to make a scratch mod with my own characters and whatnot, but I just don't have enough sound experience, and of course the things you mentioned. I'd love to put effort and care into my creation but it's just foolish to ignore the elephant in the room, that being the scratch mod community. My respect goes out to all the great creators out there, Ankaa, Rem, Sep, you Artemiy, Splat, and so much more.
(Also yeah I know you mentioned scratch games aren't "mods" but it's what I'm used to and saying Scratch Incredibox Game every time is like, 1% more inconvenient that saying scratch mod GOSH)
We should probably gather everyone who has sence to fix this community. Also great video discussing these topics. You are a good person.
(Sorry guys, I don't know much English, I'm a bit young and I have to use a translator, so some words may be misspelled.) As a fan of this incredible game, I have also had the idea of creating my own mod, but not having enough resources such as my own computer, it remains that way...just an idea, in addition to seeing great projects and see how it takes so long, being an entire team behind the development, each one in charge of certain things, until they get to polishing it and I say wow!😮 What a great job by these people. And I'm somewhat afraid of doing it from my poor cell phone and that it's just a recolor of any existing version with horrible sounds and noises as I have no idea how the game and its movements really work. and it's more than a joke haha. 😅 I'd rather put it aside and enjoy the great content from the professionals and support them however I can. considering all the hard work they do and how tiring it must be. Hopefully this community can continue to move forward in a good way and not end up full of toxicity like many others. 😔
As a young scratch fanmade project maker, i can see why sepezz feels this way. I’ve been working on multiple big scratch projects, including incredimonsters. But people keep trying to rush me. Also the clickbait channels making clickbait content out of my work, i dont know how to tell them i dont want them to make videos about my project. The incredibox x msm videos you’ve been seeing, i made them. I’ve also taken the criticism from other people and it really helped me make my animation & design way better. I feel like i have also been apart of the problem too, like when i lash out on people that say that they dont like my projects.
Those Smurf cat and among us videos are insanely annoying.
@@Legoswampert190fr it gives my project a bad name
Man i just want to see white dudes beatboxing :/
As someone who has been in the Incredibox Community for many years, I have been silent. And I'm glad I am staying silent. Drama is exactly what Ruins not only the community, But the Game Itself. Even the enjoyment of the game can go down. No matter what, there will always be trolls and haters, and even drama. We have to hope for the best. let's hope that the community will stay positive.
I have not been in the community as much recently but I feel like saying something…
I miss when the community used to be be smaller so many people knew each other, such as in the Incredibox wiki. I loved the Incredibox wiki community in 2020/early 2021. Seeing people work together to complete the wiki was some of my best experiences. Since the wiki has included mods, it has become much harder to have an I.M.P.O.T. again…
I do appreciate people finding Incredibox and the creation of mods by beginners, but there is a certain charm to when expectations were lower for the output of mods.
finally everyone will understand what's going on
thank you for bringing light to the flaws in the community.
I'm on incredibox community since 2020. When cov*d hit the year and places were lockdown, one day I saw a video about a youtuber playing v1 incredibox, it caught my attention and I'm so loved this game and quickly installed it not only it has my country but also its lore, yeah I'm from India and V7 has the sounds of India I loved it. Anyway my main point is I didn't know that there was a incredibox community up until 2021 when I watched many increditubers made & showcasing their mods, I also tried it too especially RB series but now I'm no longer like his mods not because he did something awful but also because of his Fanbase, I'm shocked to see how his fans said to him after he said he's taking a break, they said "don't worry just take a break" Or "I know you'll do better". Thinking it's just like *Artemiy* says because of some stupid kids this community is on a edge. I hope if any of these kids reading this comments, PLEASE DON'T BE TOXIC AND MEAN TO THE DEVELOPERS FOR LATE RELEASES FOR MODS AND OTHERS TO HARASS THEM, IF NOT JUST LEAVE THIS COMMUNITY😠.
Just curious, who was the UA-camr that introduced you to the community?
@@davidtapley2932 you know about *Noah knows* ? He's the one who introduced to me incredibox. I watched his maybe Little miss, then sunrise and Alive And Jeevan, lastly Dystopia. So yeah I loved his reaction on bonuses as well
I’m actually having hard times when uploading videos. Due to my school and work, It’s been hard to upload videos. People always ask me when is the next video, I usually get stressed about this. I kinda have to cram or rush when making a video. Once I made this youtube channel, It was nice, (since I made this during vacation)But now looking at it now, Its kinda hard to handle such a big thing in your life.
I respect what you said not all people are enjoying the work and the fundamental parts of the Incredibox community. It is a shame that even minors take it as an advantage to put pressure on the creator. Not only that even some creator had some strange or unsettling presence like the first one you are saying. And I hope you have steady and healthy relationships with your friends and the community, because I believe you are not that type of person who is just taking it for granted you are the person who shares and gives honest feedback.
And thank you for your time to read this message from one of your subscribers/fans. :-)
This makes me sad... Been part of the community for a long time. I haven't been there in a while for similar and personal reasons.
I've said and done some bad things too, some mean it or not, I wish I could go back..
@supermariobrosfanworldsuperfanHow about patience?
Pls do not rush the creators and go play something else
@supermariobrosfanworldsuperfan Yea whatever, Have fun trying to be impatient forever and making creators angry
@supermariobrosfanworldsuperfan Okay bye c:
i feel like everytime a fandom's made, kids get dragged to it, even fandoms for media mostly for adults has kids in it! its horrible! i just wish that not all of them consisted of a daycare inside of em
I have to say, I was never a fan regarding your way of thinking forwards fanmade Incredibox Versions or Incredibox Mods. But at the same time I have to agree with all of your pointed out topics in this video. I may think different regarding the creator Community around Incredibox but I totally understand and share the same points you did. Thank you Artemiy for also talking about those type of topics. ^^
I love this video! Another thing I'd like to add is, I like orin ayo, but I feel like people giving it so much attention seems a little unfair. It paved the way for incredibox horror mods in a way that seems low quality. Incredibox is supposed to be about music. If you want a story, then go ahead and add it, but the story should come second. In the mod, the sounds just sounds so... Boring. You can't really make a proper mix with it. It needs more love and polish, and I feel like it'll flourish if it wasn't a scratch mod. A mod that's in development that seems interesting is project monochrome. It's not out yet, but the one teaser that's out holds promise.
I honestly hope that things improve in the community and that this video helps it. It's been pretty horrible the way I've seen people treat the modders and artist themselves as if that'll make things go faster. People who don't understand how the development of anything works are the ones who are always wanting to rush things. And I've been somewhat guilty if that myself when I asked in a qna to the Coldbox team about a release date. Which yeah, there was but looking back on it I probably should've asked something else.
I've been making my own assets for a while but I'm kinda scared to even post em at the moment.
Quick note: I don't know how to mod, or animate (yet). I've just been making polos out of indie game characters.
Honestly this was a great video, thank you for making this and I agree on everything you said, witch mostly I was focused on the crtisism. I once was like a Incredibox person where I would ask for the release date and ask like witch are the effects or melodies. Now I would be glad to have a mod come out instantly but not were is gonna show everything W.I.P. Like I now respect the Increibox mod makers and I want them to take there time and give it there all, and mostly because I dont want to waste my time on asking a stupid question that I know wont get answered. Like when the mechanic & bonfire teaser was shown. I was actually hands down in love with the mod, I loved everything about it and I was exited the full version was comming, but when it realeased, I was happy and all but there was one problem. IT WASNT DONE. Like the bonus in Mechanic wasnt done and bonfire's effect 2 and all 5 voices werent done. and it taught me a lesson, I want a mod to come out to be clean a polished, thats what I was wanting for the mod Mechanic and bonfire, and I wouldnt say it was clean and polished. So the lesson for all of you Incrediboxers, If you are exited for an Incredibox mod or fanmade, dont rush them and If you do, your not gonna really get the mod your hopeing for. instead, you will get polos that say W.I.P. and also Mechanic and bonfire im not saying it sucks, im saying its unfinished. And actually, coldbox is my favorite mod for me, its my personal fav. it just sounds amazing. and we all have types of genres of music we like listening to, and incredibox is kinda like that, so dont judge people on what there favorite incredibo mod or fanmade is. your just doing wrong. and also Artemiy, your mod travis is also really good and its like it was made by incredibox, fully the best mod ive seen. Also, an S tier. I hope your doing okay and that you will strive in making incredibox mods, and content. Wow i wrote a whole essay and if you made it this far, thanks for reading lol.
I’m not much of an in-depth incredibox community fan but this video helped me realize what’s really been coming on and I feel very sorry for you, rem , Ankara and all the other incredibox and scratch developers I do hope this video helps dial down the criticism
Finally! Someone who understands mods made by kids aren’t bad because they’re kids, but because they’re new! I guess, in a way, it’s kind of the same thing, but I’ve heard people say kids are just straight up dumb. I’m not saying they can’t be (unreasonable harassment, asking for a release date over and over again, etc.), but some people have the mindset we’re just clueless in the world. We aren’t all 5 years old. We can think. We just need to learn. And, yea, people need to stop praising first mods by creators that they’re flawless, even if the creator themselves know about them. Just state what you think could be improved on, and let them decide to take note or not. If they don’t? That’s on them. And, just as Artemy said, if you get criticized on a creation you made, then don’t be afraid to take note. That’s also just a decision for you to make, but it doesn’t hurt trying.
I stepped away from the community as a whole. Coming across your video now and you, informing me of past incidents that I know and new issues being brought up, I feel relieved about my decision. I also hope that one day the community can go back to what it once was: a heartbeat of dedication and quality pumping through all of us to not only do our best, but to add to the love of what is this incredible game and inspire others to do the same. Incredibox is the main reason why I began beatboxing, and I’ve been doing it for five years now, but to learn about the disarray of a community that I hold dear, it hurts me. I wish you nothing but the best Artemiy, thank you for discussing these topics, and bringing me into loving Incredibox even more.
Incredibox in 2023 is like FNF in 2021, there is a big pile of content, but most of it makes negative sense.
5:29 for those who haven't watched the video yet, at this point, artemiy addresses the allegations against ankaa avarshina (that she makes porn art). I can already state why its wrong that these people are harassing her for doing such art, and I can also explain why these people are hypocrites.
You see, even if ankaa makes pornography, at least she doesn't make underaged porn, like rb (influenced people to make)
And the reason I think these people are hypocrites is because a lot of them likely watch this type of content (being pornography) a lot, so you can see why they're hypocrites to harass Ankaa.
Great vid man, hopefully people just become more supportive towards creators instead of impatient
The reason why I kept moving and stepping away, was because the community feels like it's only there to see... well Incredibox than see you as a creator. The connection feels very hollow. I put many HOURS and even days into the videos that I do. Outside of Incredibox the community can be very harassing and telling me to come back when I no longer feel the passion towards the game anymore, and moving on is very difficult since it's the only thing people want to see. I feel like as a content creator that covered mods within this space, you get hit with a lot of extremist and elitist views on things which can also push you away. You can only do Incredibox for so long before having the feeling of moving on. Again, I could milk the same video over and over, and make braindead content, but out of choice for my own mentality... It was time to move on, and potentially come back when I feel that passion towards the game again.
Truthfully, yeah, I completely agree with you here. People suck man, people absolutely suck. BUT I have absolutely so much fun making content for this community, and I'd never dream of leaving, and I'm happy you don't either.
Something that caught my eye was the Arbox thing, are you truly okay with someone recreating Arbox like my team is doing? Most people have been kinda against it, wishing the mod to die, but we want the legacy to live on, and for Arby's influence to die.
Thanks for the video!
I think a big takeaway from all of this is that you shouldn't let a shotty online community keep you from making something great. This community is defined by the things that creators make, so those of you that are working hard on making your own mods, keep going at it and take as much time as you need. You're probably gonna end up saving this community (no pressure).
I think we can all agree that Incredibox is something special and we'd hate to see it die just because of a handful of immature and delusional people (i.e. kids begging for release dates or the ignorant people who still support RB despite literally everything).
Edit: Let's just be glad RB didn't make UA-cam a lot of money otherwise they never would've deleted their UA-cam account
Ever since the RB - Series incident, I did find a video and found out that he returned!! I was surprised about it and I thought that it was going to be worse even though his new channel is named RB Inc. and since I knew almost everything that had happened back at the RB - Series' incident and at his first post saying that he was "starting over", I don't know if he could be trusted, but I just hope the Incredibox Community will see the bright side of things.
I don’t think he’s doing anything with incredibox anymore, so we don’t really have a reason to keep looking at what he’s up to.
Y'know, this video is really weird to me, but not in a bad way, just a weird way.
I've been around Incredibox for over a decade now but I've NEVER interacted with the community up until very recently by watching your videos, so learning that the community not only is toxic but filled with kids is SUCH a whiplash feeling.
In my head, I was genuinely thinking that the community was a vast majority (And I mean like 99%) of adults (Because, again, Incredibox has been around for over a decade now, and as someone that grew up on flash games, Incredibox was one of them) and mostly very respectful because I've never heard of anything drama-related about Incredibox before.
This is weird to me, because I really do not care about the community because I've never interacted with it yet at the same time I am SO sad to learn that the community is like this, like, DAMN, this actually sucks.
Hope the community gets better though, all the luck to y'all.
I wished you interacted back in 2019-2020, when the community was on its peak
@@artemiykopychHonestly, this community is turning into that community. I feel like official mods deserve more attention than scratch. Sadly, I have to stick with the scratch fanmades because I have a chromebook and I'm not able to download adobe animate or getting in the files of the game.
I hope this community will go back to how it was before in 2024
A man of truth 👏 🙏
I talked to a few people a while back about RB and i was told he was just being bullied and that he was a really sweet guy in reality. I never talked to him much but its interesting how that info about him in your video was apparently kept from me. Good video!!
Although I still form a little bit part of the incredibox community i really ever expected that there whould be alot of drama involved and i really never knew
4:16 Thank you PFB...
My opinion on these things:
RB- What he did is disgusting and I didn't understand what had happened until now and yes, his mods weren't that good, they didn't convey anything to me.
Ankaa- If she does what she does it's because she knows what she is doing and therefore she has taken precautions, I don't know why we should attack her for this.
The whole Scratch situation - I'm also a content creator who creates mods on Scratch and I know very well that they are not at the level of the official ones and therefore they are not "professional".
Scratch mods are getting worse with all the kids trying to make mods just because, well, they can do it, the mods of our part of the community can also be beautiful and well made, as was precisely the case with Sepbox (a masterpiece) , I'm also developing a mod, but I'm taking it slow and when it's ready, it'll be ready.
Regarding the hypersaturation of mods, I can understand it, as you already said and as I said too, it's full of kids making random mods like trillybox, I try to find quality mods on Scratch and there are some nice ones and others also very beautiful (like Sepbox).
In conclusion, the Scratch community could improve and I fully agree with you!
Ah! If you can help me with the entries for my mod I would be grateful, thanks... ;)
ironically, the same creator of trillybox also made a separate scratch mod that could literally be the closest to an official incredibox version
Really? What's the name of the mod?
@@Jumping_Cube skylines
@@PersonFromSouthAfrica thanks!
I feel pity for what happened of this community, i am scared, scared that this community will collapse in fromt of our eyes...
Thank you Kopy, i hope that people understand...
And I add another thing: I am surprised that Seppez Does very good mods and i'm jealous! Because he has my same age! I'm sorry that left the community for a while for that p
pressure...
I'm so sad Nekki left the community, his mod looked so good
I have been quite the victim of harassment for my mod and im sick of it. It has felt ruined since the begining. Not even just incredikids just people. IA ruined my mod even since he joined the team and cause people to leave and become upset and once i kicked him i lost a vital team member who did much work, that being greeny. Hes back now but for that short time we lost much progress then splatjack came along. I dont hate splat that much but the demo was a disaster, splat made almost all the sounds and the coding was disasterous. Splat ruined the reputation of my mod. I donttt hate him and i dont wanna slam him into the ground bc i actually like being around him as hes not a jackass unlike ia. Also express is awesome. Also i thank artemiy for learning that the way he reviews things isnt all that correct and mabye ill watch more reviews from artem now that they may be more genuine. So yea, if artemiy reads this thank you for addressing all of this.
I knew things were bad, but not THIS bad. None the less I hope you and your peers don't get overwhelmed with the current status the community is going through and that the incredibox community can hopefully push pass this and prevail!
As an incredibox fan since v6 just came out which I don’t know when that was I never really was in the community that much more like a fan of the game and really liked playing it and more so with the mods that come out I even saw a really good teaser for a mod based on the clocks from the unreleased album
Side note I kinda wish I was able to watch Noah knows since that’s how I found incredibox
I’ve been wondering what happened to him
I actually took a long break from the Incredibox community, and I’m pretty late to the RB series situation, I had no idea this happened, but dang.
As a super small creator in scratch I agree, I’m not the oldest and I have no experience, but I still do it for fun and I enjoy it. I and have noticed the toxicity but I still have fun. We all should just have fun that’s it this is a music game not politics.
*So, the apocalypse is imminent, huh?*
Anyways, this video was very informative, and basically every major problem was well explained. Great work!
Not suprised almost every community on a game can be toxic when said game gets popular. But as long as the issues are addressed along with improvements then there is a high chance that everything will come back as normal.
Turst me and the others, we have all seen or heard of these problems over the years.
As a new member of the incredibox community this video helps alot
the community has went down hill terribly it's ALWAYS little children
I do totally agree with this video
As much as I want to say there is some good in this community, it's a little hard to say that when there's constant toxicity going around. First of all, the people who are in this community. Of course, a lot of them are kids and we have to understand that, but kids are EASILY influenced by many things. Because of all the internet trends going around, it seems the kids have taken a liking toward being EXTREMELY toxic and turn toward straight up bullying when they see something they don't like. Sure, we all have things that we hate, but why express such hatred toward such thing? Unfortunately, that's something that the internet kids are going to grow out of YEARS from now. Seriously, a lot of people just need a slap of reality or some sort of "talk" to just wake the heck up. Why are we letting this community get to the point where it's comparable to other really toxic communities? Something else I want to point out is the point that Artemy mentioned with Ankaa, the maturity of people. I myself am a victim to this, I've commented things that I really shouldn't have, and I'm really sorry that I let it happen. On the contrary, people who just HAVE to say something about parts that biological females have, we need to talk about that. Is it worth making a big deal about a part of a woman that you know, exists in real life? It's not just on the internet, woman in the real world also have those parts. Would you say the same thing to a person in the real world as you would on the internet? If not, then there you fricken go. If so, grow the heck up. To add onto that, the kids who have been exposed to things like violence, profanity and all that, really, how bad is suggestive art compared to decapitating people? I'd also like to bring up what Artemy said about bringing up religion to justify expressing disapproval...just stop man, it's not the creator's choice to have their viewers look at their content. Last thing I want to expand on is the criticism towards content creators. THEY'RE HUMAN BEINGS TOO, THEY'RE NOT MINDLESS TRIPLE A CORPORATES. These people put TIME and EFFORT into what they do, stop treating them like they're doing all this for a quick buck. I think I've said enough, I hope people understand.
Artemiy i only watched this whole video that i loved your content but the fact that you are not gonna retire you are just gonna take a break for while and i always loved your videos very much so here is the message i apologize for this toxic community of the whole drama i hope you are having a special day and im sorry for telling that travis bonus 2 is fake so have a nice day
As someone who makes scratch fanmades, I always wonder where my constructive criticism is, I never receive it, only praises, or else they don't put anything
I swear if rem leaves ima cry
True she's one of the best incredibox content creator and developer, it'll be sad if she leaves
13:26 I approve of what he said, especially because in the first video I tried to explain some things about my Mod, it was very difficult to form a correct sentence, because I'm Brazilian, and when I try to speak in English, I have a lot of difficulty saying something that isn't wrong, but unlike you, I didn't use any script, I just spoke and left it at that.
That's what I really wanted to say! :)
Jo Artem these type of vids should be a podcasts 📈
Yeah
I'll say this, the fact that kids put the weight on mods creators to release mods and rush them is overwhelmingly abysmal, and it sucks to see a community that is filled with creative minds just to be taken down by impatient kids who can't even spell the word community is just awful. I hope that this issue of kids screaming for release dates comes to an end because they don't know what carnage there bringing by doing that. You sir Artemiy, have a good day
Agreed
It’s getting increasingly depressing to see the Incredibox community slowly following the same path of that of the FNF community, and some others that has also fallen to the same fate, especially to the former.
It’s great to see that Incredibox has a recent boom in popularity (alongside with another music related game that I’ve been in for years as well that also had the same popularity treatment last year in late November, to early December.), but this comes with the cost of people who are VERY content hungry, and would pump out stuff without taking their time to make things actually work properly, or be the very best it could offer for those to enjoy it, which also is influenced by those who wants more too quickly, thus being _very_ impatient towards those who actually wanted to have their creations be the very best they could offer.
Every community I’ve been in will always have at least 5-10+ kids in the comments begging content creators, mod creators, fan creators, or even the DEVS of the games they make, to update their game faster, making them very impatient to wait for things to be ready, letting it be out of the oven half baked, to literally just still being a pile of raw cookie dough. If there’s one thing that kids (or any stubborn impatient person in general) needs to learn, is to be patient.
This has been said many, MANY times before, and I will quote it again: Patience is a virtue, and good things come for those who wait. You can’t have something good, and functional if it’s been rushed, and end up crumbling apart if not left to be planned carefully, polished, or taken with the utmost care put into it.
This is why it’s important to be taught about patience in the first place, cause if not taught well, then half of the internet, if not, more than half the planet outside of the digital world, would be filled with very impatient people.
I’m very surprised by how fast all of this goes down within a few months, to even weeks, for how much the community has changed, for better, or worse.
There’s much more i’d like to talk about, but I’ll spare everyone with a comment being the whole length of the Webster’s Dictionary.
I hope that things improve in the community.
4:13 my favorite part
8:13 This is how I feel whenever little kids comment on my non Msm videos mindlessly begging me for Msm content, someone even threatened my entire animation career if I didn’t make an extended version of a random Msm skit! Like I took a fnaf song called: Five More Nights, and I made a shirt skit out of it with MSM characters, and then little kids kept begging me for the full version when in fact it already is the full version, I also remember a time when I made a short animation that isn’t related to msm, and then some kid told me to make an msm animation or else they will delete their channel, like some just started threatening me! Thank goodness the hype died down on my channel
I’ve only been in this community this year, and it has been the greatest year, I became better at making mixes, and a whole lot more, including you artemiy, until I noticed in the comments for teasers, there is so much harassment, people asking for release date, even for ankaa people are getting mad at her for making “NSFW” even tho she is an adult, with her own life, etc. even seppez leaving the community for a while. Splat jack’s work getting leaked, and a whole lot more. But I will stay in this community *even tho I’m not a big youtuber* until it dies out, because I want to see how it ends, and because there is good in this community.
My English is pretty bad because it’s also my second language
At first I was very happy when I found out that incredibox had gained popularity, but now... It would be better if this game remained a small flash game.
Most based video ever.
tbh i kinda relate to you speaking about the english problem, since i do too struggle to communicate well, i only hope you can improve where you consider is necessary
(ahh, feels good be more unknown and not having kiddos asking for release dates C":)
2:44-5:51-4:56-4:12
I know this isn't the point of the video, but what is the Scratch fanmade shown at 7:11 (lol)? That character is The Whistling Man from Killer Frequency, and the art looks great, so I'd love to try it!
omg i think i know you
im sorry this was random but i recongnize you,
it's chiller, developed by SplatJack and the others. its WIP
You see that kids on the internet?
Next time be grateful in this community and Don't cause anymore trouble, You're welcome c:
Also, Thank you Artemiy for the video c:
Just for you to know, I've been trying to find a engine where I can make Incredibox mods, but, I didn't get any info about it, so i moved to scratch. I also cry myself to sleep because people are harassing me and stuff. I hope the community gets better and there will be less harassment.
Also, thank you for making this video.
Hey hang in there bro. There are still some good people left in the community. We just gotta ride it out while the shit storm is rolling through.
As for mod tools, do you know about BOOGO x SEAL? I’m not entirely sure how they work but I hear their a good place to start
Yeah, I had second thoughts of joining, and I still want to because I am interested of becoming I Dev myself
So I can test my creativity and I like to interact with very people like you, Ankaa(Raylene)was already one.
But yeah I was hoping to join up this next year, and I hope no more sins come to this Fandom, there already three, we hoping the four remaining sins DO NOT SHOW THEMSELVES.
you decided to out of any language, speak facts
Yea i agree with you artemiy bro let's hope the community will get better soon also i made a reaction video to it
Thanks for making this video ♡
Ehh... Game communities nowadays... Well it's not that bad when you think about it, but it gets really messed up if you overthink it...
Man, I hope incredibox doesn't get a toxic community, I sure hope it doesn't...
The PFB part killed me🤣
this isn't funny you know right? it is a problem in the community right now.
@@TheNumberNine9 yeah I just found that part funny
I do like armed but I’m curious what you mean about it being objectively bad? I do think most of RB’s mod suck-mid but I like armed alot.
In short, the armed bonuses are making the story to go completely messed up, adding lot of unnecessary characters that we didn't care about, and also the bonuses have traced assets from One Piece.
The sounds could also be more polished
@@artemiykopychOH LOL tbh I liked the armed bonuses BECAUSE they are so stupid and weird.
I would watch them with my friends and they are Lowkey hilarious because they make literally no sense (my favorite part is when they do that scuffed anime style)
@@artemiykopychOh, the bonuses are horrible. I was extemely confused when it suddenly switched to an anime art style. Didn't even know it was traced, either. I thought the sounds were pretty good, though. Seeing your full opinion would be nice.
i'm sad to watch this community crumble. As many people have compared this to the fnf community, as this place gets filled with kids, it also gets filled with pred@tors. how sad.
I find a problem with developers releasing teasers is they just release teasers way TOO EARLY it’s not like their fault for the harassment. But it’s just a thing I see is people release teasers when they have like 3 sounds done total and the hype is WAY too big for the amount of stuff done.
Yeah they should only release teasers when they are around 90% done or so
@@Legoswampert190like people set themselves up for failure by releasing a big teaser like 10% through the process.
I thought that incredibox fandom disappeared but after watching this i realize that it's a nasty situation :(
*slow clap* *sigh* that was amazing. albeit a bit harsh on scratch. but it's fine.
It is actually horrible how this community is going downhill- it was better before, but I guess it could be fixed?