Will AI replace programmers, is coding dead?
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Is it still worth learning to code now that tools like ChatGPT can do it so well? Will AI replace software engineers?
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now each programmer is a full development team
@theredditexperience1 What's up with you my man?..Why you're literally at every freaking video on youtube related to AI and programming and arguing under every single comment shitting on devs. Got nothing better to do ?
Yeah we understand AI's gonna replace devs.Thanks a lot for your valuable information.
@@lightyagami2983 he a bot maybe? 🤣
I had a lecture in software lifecycle management. That itself is enough to cover a job, I.e by specifiying the requirements.
And consulting. Because a simple prompt won't just suffice. There's much complexity to testing and debugging as well.
@The Reddit Experience because there will need to be further specification on details that were not clear.
If you have 30k something lines without any coding skills then I wish you much luck.
And these tests and debugging you mention are basics. In reality it is way more complex.
Wil AI replace all ? No.
Will it replace a lot ? Yes
@The Reddit Experience It's already happening in entertainment industry.
What about people why pay lot off money for bootcamp or cs studies?
Literally just became a senior and I can barely live a relatively comfortable life. I hear stories from my upper chain colleages on how they used to get all paid travels to Europe, SUVs and stuff when they were seniors 10 years ago. I wanna cry. Don't study CS
@@fcb5012is this ur way to cope that people were simply better programmers than u😂😂
@@serszei Lol in Big companies salaries and benefits are standarized so no, all programmers are getting it worse because of the high offer nowadays any deadbeat can study CS or programming online
Coding in business is mostly about understanding the requirements and asking good questions of the users. Writing the code is the easy part.
Just like concept artists, understanding the problem and problem solving is the hardest part, painting is the easy part, but the painting part takes most of the time. Now many concept artists got laid off, employers just need handful of them to feed sketches to AI, AI will produce beautiful artworks in a few minutes that require several days for human artists to do the job.
@@fkdump Can you give me example of these 'beautiful work' examples.
@@qazweriopkoilj Watch Andrew Price podcast channel, episode #29
These examples may not have much to do with Concepts artists creating artworks for games etc.
But just Google „Ai wins art contest“ or „Ai wins photography contest“.
The skills presented pretty much transfer to any artistic profession.
@The Reddit Experience Theortically but thats not how it works. Even junior developers do not write code all the time but also talk to customer and collect his requirements.
I started going to university when i turned 28. And i saw people in their 40s gaining excellent marks, even without having any knowledge before starting.
One hurdle for broad corporate adoption of Chat GTP is information security. Businesses aren’t eager and have legal obligations that will not allow them to have their data go up into these chat systems for evaluation.
Another one (in this context) is in code responsibility and accountability. Airliners have been able to fly themselves for years, but they still need human pilots.
But that wont be the case forever...Companies will develop their own internal AI systems.
Idk, I think in 10 years people who never programmed will be able to ask an AI:
Lets make a game.
Make my character look like this.
Lets implement sprint to the character.
Now lets add other AI characters in the game who try to shoot at me.
And someone without coding, in minutes or a few days, will be able to do all the things a developer who has trained for years can do.
I think it'll take someone new to the field, and make them 95% a pro. However a pro can use AI and become faster and slightly better at creating also. But will it be enough?
whilst this is an optimistic way of looking at the issue, its not quite realistic. its very much only a matter of time. GPT4 will not be the last iteration, they’re only getting started
Today I had a little chat about probability with this funny fellow. Well, mathematics seems to be something more than esoteric "lingo" and Chat is very... linguistic. But he is very good assistance in "technical" problems. Very useful tool. Richer and good-looking-brother of good old Uncle Google.
This is almost Michael Palin in "Carry on Programming!" Great thoughts and thank you - David
Lol, all that time spent watching Carry On films as a kid must have had more of an influence than I realized!
@@gilesmcmullen Yes, my kids will attest to that in my case too, though I don't have the great fortune to look a little like Michael Palin...! My 13yo son has actually discovered the "Carry On" series. Not sure if that's a good thing or not at his age! He also likes Pink Floyd and Earth, Wind & Fire!
Anyway - I really enjoy your insights. 20 years ago I was an owner/partner in a modest software house here in Sydney, with about 15 full time devs, with me trying to coordinate them and manage their precious needs. Frankly I think that would be a much harder job these days with the sensitivities that young graduates have had ingrained into them! Cheers and regards - David
Not being a programmer, I have no personal involvement. But I think all but perhaps all but the brightest 5% of coders will lose their jobs. And the jobs that remain will be about which problem to solve, not how to solve a problem. I know one company in New York City, that just replaced 76 coders in India with AI. Of course, the Indian coders had a problem in understanding English and American problems in their purely excellent coding skills. They could code as well as the American coders they replaced. But their English language and understanding of how business, not coding works, got all 76 coders in India replaced this past year.
I can speak to Google and ask it questions and it can talk back to me with answers now.
Now the company in New York City, that I know replaced 76 coders in India had 2 American coders whose job was to correct code written by the Indians who misconstructed the English language. With voice recognition, that should be no problem in the future.
Day is not far away
When AI can fix bugs
Help debugging issues
I think this is true for now. Once AI get so good that it can basically think, we are doomed. However, it's not just us who are screwed but basically any human in the planet.
I am equally hyped and terrified at the same time.
So is it a right time to learn coding?
@@PDSREACTION Just do it, you'll never know if you don't start.
Sure, but when it gains the ability to “think”, most other jobs will be replaced too, not just programming, and imo that isn’t going to happen in a long time
@@PDSREACTION If you want to get into it to just make a buck....dont bother.
@@serszeiit can't think. Who knows? Another language model will emmerge and toast chatGPT. It will never get to human level. Steam engine was a big deal, where is it? Oil was a big deal, it is leaving the stage. Now electricity is emerging. However, the skill, knowledge and intelligence to build engines remain important. Learn the skills and gain coding knowledge
Person who makes a living teaching people how to do a thing, tells people it's worth Learning how to do that thing.
I find it to be a great assistant. It's a tool, an imperfect tool. ChatGPT makes a lot of mistakes and it's not creative at all, but it helps to bang out code quicker.
Denial in our industry is unbelievable. We are gonna get replaced very soon, so rather than denying just adapt and find new ways to make money. Forgot about engineers NLP is so good that it's seems like the expiry date for programming it self is approaching.
Relax, bro. Are you a programmer or not? Find problems to solve--there are so many. Plus, if you cannot beat them, join the machine learning engineers.
Someone finally telling it how it is. 👏👏
In a few years basically anyone with barely any technical knowledge will be able to generate code better than the best coders in the world today. Being able to code manually will become more of a hidden talent to brag to your techie friends but no real value on the job market, similar to solving math problems in your head.
The future is having one person do the job of an entire team of developers (Front end, back end, etc.) All in a few hours and some simple prompts.
Startups of the future will only need 1-2 people to achieve the level of work giant teams of start ups did. Fancy computer science degrees and coding boot camps will be completely unnecessary, saving countless students from mountains of debt and financial losses, allowing them to start working almost immediately by just promoting code without any experience. Any questions they have will be easily answered by LLMs as they also simultaneously function as an instant infinite knowledge engine. Rendering hours of Googling and UA-cam binging irrelevant and you will be able to quickly obtain exactly the answer you need to solve your problem.
100% agree. Everyone in the industry is like “Yeah AI is good but it can’t write good code”. Assuming the the current rate of AI development continues(no reason currently to assume it won’t), in 10 years things are going to look VERY different for developers.
But it will reduce job
People will do the projects on their own without hiring a team
Or the team they hire will only be two or three guys and not twenty or thirty.
I like the quality of the sound! Its veeery good
In the real world the problems that companies and businesses are trying to solve are different for each one of them and that is something ChatGPT will not be able to solve alone and you will need a developer for that.
You still need to understand the Code, so chatgpt is not changing anything, just helping
A year ago artists said that they still need to have strong artistic sense for art direction, so AI is not changing anything, just giving inspiration.
@theredditexperience1 Bro's hurt
Did you have a past trauma with programmimg or what?
Failed a class maybe?
tried the same with problems from projecteuler and it actually didnt solve any medium-hard one in the first try, i needed alot of reprompting, gpt claiming it code works and my compiler would be broken or i made an error copy/pasting etc. - ironicly it could provide the right answer but not the code that puts out the right answer neither in c, c++ or python unless i put alot of time into guiding it to do it the right way, really unpleasent experience
Coding is more like solving a SAT math problem or doing the trivial calculations for you. However it is no way near solving a real problem in real life or a more academic real math problems.
This video is wrong. the ai isn't just copying training date. It is actually reasoning. The "spark" of AGI.
Way to include Jim Carrey's Riddler
Your accent is one of my favorites, but this time about min 1:40 I misunderstood 'You CAN ask gpt..." LOL . had to re listen twice
five years later... )
Should I learn PHP and it's frameworks to work as webdev with all this AI news?
ChatGPT 4.0 can't build you UA-cam yet. Just wait for ChatGPT 5.0.
AI tools are advancing rapidly and AI will replace many of jobs in IT, Accounts, Analysis, Administration jobs in coming years.
chatgpt is at erudite level, i.e, chatgpt is another way to automatically order the data , but what about creative thinker level? i.e, chatgpt could, e.g, explain to you what an algorithm is, but it can't create an algorithm on its own! if coding is dead, what's up with programming!?
I hope chatgpt will discourage many programmers, so that there will be less competition for me😈
😂😂😂I was thinking the same thing.
The people that get discouraged by chat gpt were most likely never going to make it all the way to be a software engineer.
Your Compatition is chat gpt
Hello, I would like to know if this also applies to Computational biology and Data Science? will those fields get overtook by AI? many thanks in advance
Research might be some of the more safe professions for now..
Im a programmer and even I know programmers are going to be obsolete in the next 10 years.
GPT-X will not replace anyone's jobs, but the people who use GPT-X will.
Chat GPT5 is not in production yet. You have a few years!!!😅
@The Reddit Experience can't wait
Ask this question in 10 years and the answer will be “It already has”.
ChatGPT won't replace you; it'll just make you 1000 more productive and, because of that, 1000 times less valuable.
youre not 1000 times less valuable bc you get 1000 times faster. In fact you get 1000 times less valuable bc someone ELSE became 1000 times faster... its sad
thanks very much. I can study in peace
Maybe that's why there have been so many tech layoff's. They plan to replace all of those people with GPT Chatbots.
Nah tech companies overhire like crazy during booms. Then everyone buckled down during a recession
I really don’t trust his words
I think I would be making a good choice in focusing on data science instead of software engineering or coding
It feels like chatGPT will eliminate a lot of jobs but not all
@The Reddit Experience what do you think would be safer in the tech field? Robotics Engineering?
In future
We can code in mobile itself😂🤣
No computer needed
Because technology evolution is lit😶
You're going to have a bunch of novices trying to make apps and it's only going to increase competition even more between people. The only thing that's going to be way less competitive is building electronic devices and physical products
Yep I have the same view, I took Eletrical and Computer engineering and I think I will try to go more into my electrical side.
AGI is 3 or 4 evolutions of language model AI around the corner and that’s less than a year from now, there’s a reason so many relevant people are have signed an open letter calling for it to be paused for a minimum of 6 months. It’s best just to rip the plaster off, it’s not just programmers that are up the creek without a paddle, we’re all in the same boat. I’d suggest investing in a career that it will take a revolution in robotics to take over but that revolution isn’t far away either, once Boston Dynamics et al get AGI involved the tech will replace the vast majority of us.
The vast majority of humans are soon to be superfluous to requirements and given corporations are people in legal status only I don’t see them having our futures at the heart of their decision making, other than to pay those that are stockholders. 💡
It's not thinking for is own. Caht GPT4 use what people invented and that tell us his not gone replace the people just help de programeres to solve problem faster. And if you ask a problem that you ca-n not find on the internet to use what gone be?! And the are more to talk but...
@The Reddit Experience dude the chat have acces to the internet so normal he can solve problem.
Ai will take it from here…
Absolutely spot on.
Denial and overconfidence in software industry is unbelievable...They don't even know what's coming in the form GPT 5 or next versions which will surpass human level intellengence (AGIs)...Precision and datasets will increase and make AI compatible doing more complex programming
I think we Will need even more soft dev. im the age of AI.
@The Reddit Experience did juou just comment evry coment?
@@dominuseterro9866 seems like hes pushing a lot of fear and etc due to his own fears. I think those who master a skill will be fine. Time or jack of all trades may not work anymore
ChatGPT does not only work by "remembering"... it actually has a reasoning model in place after training with neural networks.
Your claim is not entirely true.
There are several LLMs that succesfully explained in simple words why a certain joke is funny. This is due to modeling human reasoning.
I mean, we all knew that AI would eventually take over many professions, but it's meant to be gradual so that people can adapt and society can shift to augment it.
This puts beautifully, the reasons why it won't be as sudden as we originally feared, so it's very much a relief!
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True coding is DEAD go learn a trade
Learning a trade will flood the trade markets. There are about 3 million people who get an undergrad or associates every year.
What do you think happens to the pay rates for electricians when 300k new electricians come into the market every single year?
People may be surprised that software engineers code very little. Actually I as a SW enginner code about 5% of the time. The rest is maintanance, design, meeting, talking to customers etc... How is AI going to replace that??? And for the 5% I will be happy to use AI... and supervise it...
Imagine if AI stops working, and all your employees fired
I think thats what will happen. We will realize we need humans just like we realized hybrid or working at the office is better than remote. Alot of companies are switching back to hybrid or at the office now and not full time remote. We will realize the hard way though.
Hmm so far not really impressed. Whos going to fix bugs. Its useful to have examples but i wouldn't copy stack overflow++
1st
No
Chatgpt is rubbish in coding specially html and css. I asked repeatedly in different wording to code simple two column site with top nav, search bar and sticky footer. Each time it failed. Either code is.wrong and thus messy or code is cut off at the bottom. In other words, incomplete code. So my conclusion is that Chatgpt may be handy helper in code fragments and debugging in small scale, it is not good at simple html and css. I even asked to give example of the said page implemented as Bootstrap or tailwinds. Each time it failed.
Chat gpt is now a child
Wait for years
When it becime mature
Then u will laugh at corner
Is it possible to make a living from programming without a degree ?
Fireship said the next generation largely dont understand *how* something works, only that it works. He said something like 'there'll be work for people who are able to trouble shoot and ask the right questions'
After watching this video as a Senior Software engineer of 7 years I can confidently say this has put me ease. The understanding that the language model is limited to imitating data-sets found in articles, documentation and other things like that... it's not fully equipped to help build, architect or scale large systems/apps. It at least means we have some runway but I'm hoping they'll be safeguards put in place for people's livelihoods not disappearing overnight.
The faster it replace human workers the better, that way we are forced to push out an Unconditional Universal Basic Income. All regulations will just slow things down and make the fix come slower.
Then we can all game all day and be happy.
Ya I just want to game and eat
"I'm hoping they'll be safeguards put in place for people's livelihoods not disappearing overnight"....dream on.
You hope too much
@@YeeLeeHaw the way things go now, this is as valid as saying the dead wil come back to life.
In my experience, chat GPT genuinely sucks at writing code. Where it shines is helping you to understand how to write better code yourself rather than just passing it off to the machine.
100%. It's disappointed me more than frightened me. Not to say it hasn't also frightened me.
ChatGPT really struggles sometimes, with relatively simple tasks. Takes a lot more wrangling than it would to just write it yourself sometimes. I dont know about GPT-4, though. That's what's got me worried, as well as things down the line.
I'm not at all surprised people are lacking the understanding of what it takes to develop, its sad and laughable how many are falling for the hype
I read that chatgpt passed the Google interview. But I’m sure the person who used it for this purpose already knew how to code and used chatgpt for simple questions ! Because it’s impossible for chatgpt to solve complex coding questions even by simpler questions it gives a very bad code or wrong answer !
@The Reddit Experience oh grow up
give it a year or two and coding will no longer be considered a high paying skill.
If you watch Westworld and believe Hollywood has been predicting the future, programming will be moving panels around and tweaking sliders. It probably will eventually become as easy as photoshoping even my mom can do it.
@@fkdump but salary will reduce
"I think that ChatGPT will be like a compiler. Nowadays, fewer people write in Assembly or machine code and use compilers and other programming languages instead. In the future, coding will likely evolve to another level and become more accessible to more people. I believe that coding will focus more on program architecture rather than just the coding itself."
So many people in denial. Most of the people who say it sucks at coding either used chatgpt 3 or did not give it good enough prompts. Even if you can argue that it sucks, you still need to realize it will get 10-100x better better the next few years. It wont replace all programmers but it will make all programmers 10x faster.
Most people really have a problem thinking exponentially. It's rather amazing..
Yes
And also reduce salary
@@mrwildmouth5876Yup. The tech bros on Blind are gonna need to be put on suicide watch.
I agree, it cannot replace the job however it’s has helped me making my job 10 times faster.
So the employer will probably either cut 9 employees or keep them but lower their pay rate by 90%
@@fkdump Employers will expect the employees to adapt to new skills, however those who will not adapt will be 10 times slower.
Yes but
salary decrease☹
your title asks the question in future tense "Will AI replace programmers?" but in the video you speak about the actual state of ChatGPT, and not talking about what it could became in near future. This is the problem with your video. You can't give a good answer to your question this way. And ChatGPT is not even a model trained specifically to write code.
This. I believe in 3 years most of the programming jobs will be architecture of systems rathern than «anything else. Other than embedded software which is in most cases ip protected.
This is not gonna age well 😀 There are already big development frameworks/models getting ready from Google. They looked over the shoulders of their colab users, and designed a system that can do all you mentioned. Give it a year or two, and see the panic..
Oh, there's also frameworks on github that are tackling a whole codebase, so goodbye programmers..
I was learning some basic web dev cause I thought my psych degree was useless. Maybe I will go back to school the programmers can come to me for therapy when the computers take over 😂
I wonder what it does for the little guy though. Sure you lose your job, but if the work is easier and faster what stops you from competing with the company that fired you? Then again maybe the market gets saturated with a bunch of generic work and it becomes harder to stand out. Ah who knows 😅
@@ryanmoran6320 it will make work easier and reduces employees salary too☹
@@ryanmoran6320 I think in the near future the better option will be physical jobs and jobs like physioterapist.
Hmm sponsored by a paid site for learning programming. I wonder whether this will be a biased video at all?
Many large corporations separate the requirements capture from the coding. For critical code, all the way down to the exact code that satisfy each requirement. Maybe the requirement capture step is safe but what about all the software engineers doing the coding?
I don’t know about that! I to thought about it, is it really over or a waste of time?
I’m literally just starting out ! So I sure as hell, hope not!
Will it replace them now? No.
Will it replace them later? Maybe.
In the future? Of course.
It’s not taking over programming jobs yet… in 10-15 years it definitely will take over most though.
It is all about !!!!!TIME!!!!!
We're all doomed. Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO has been seen attending the Bilderberg Meeting .....
We're all doomed 👀
A.I. is itself made of code; so I think it's a matter of (few) time that it will be able to return better code scripts.
I think that we cannot no more avoid the main problem; that kind of A.I. must stay open source, since it has to keep learning stuff from humans through the web.
So you get free useful stuff in return because you put other useful stuff into it. It must be a win-win situation, otherwise it can really become a giant jobs killer.
@The Reddit Experience but not only in programing
@The Reddit Experience what about people that no give all his money in bootcamp or cs studies?
GPT4 is not going to take your job, GPT5 will.
Chat gps is no different than a calculator if u think about it. AI is still far far away
While that music was playing in the background I wonder if Chat GPT 4 can help me become a better composer than Mozart
Midjourney does do better painting than whoever paints
What is missing to chatGPT in order to make it AIG is the ability to talk to itself. Human mind is “intelligent because is talking with itself every second. Even when is dreaming. This continuous self-feedback simulates the intelligence. So, when neural networks will be able to talk to themselves every second, will come a new era in AI. And in that moment you’ll see a difference: this kind of new AI will be able to ask questions not only to answer them… the dialog btw human and machine will be a constructive one, the machine learning for herself in the same time when will teach the human.
thats what GANs do
I recently gave it a prompt asking it to assume it was an actor in a one man show with a bit of character background and told it to talk to the audience/ itself and use that as feedback for its next thought … truly awe inspiring and frightening … feedback loops on machines that’s goal’s are to predict the future may well be a good place to find a basic consciousness …
Ok cancel please
The best riddler
With the invention of the engine didn't people think that if you went over a certain speed you wouldn't be able to breath so it was decided that while driving someone had to walk in front of you with with a red flag to stop you from going to fast?
With every new leap in technology there's always over hype, worry and misunderstanding.
It's always better to just embrace the changes, learn new things and enjoy it. We live in an amazing time right now. I remember as a kid being blown away by Shinobi and a watch that my parents bought me which had a calculator on it. Now I've got a free AI assistant that makes so many tedious tasks a breeze.
GPT is to programming as a calculator is to arithmetic. You still need the fundamentals to make it useful.
@theredditexperience1 what a clown😂
Bro we've got your point.Please take rest now.
I'm not sure AI gonna replace devs or not,But it surely will be able to make shitty minecraft videos with no more than 3 views🤡🤡
I quit my Masters in Data Science because of this shift.
I’m literally about to finish my undergrad in data science 😭😭
If I may ask, how far along with it were you?
@@sadhappy8860 2 semesters
What? Why? Even if there is a shift and GPT-4 can programm anything (something that I doubt that will happen in the near future), people that master DS concepts will benefit the most. Data science is not just about programming ML solutions, but to "translate" business questions into models that increase revenue.
In addition, gpt 4 is good with pretrained questions such as the ones in leetcode. In more complex problems (like the real ones), gpt4 is not that good. Actually, it is necessary to be a goodass software engineer to detect the mistakes and to optimise the code provided by those LLM
So if I’m taking a degree on artificial intelligence and machine learning am I doing the right thing for the future or not?
you will lose your humanity and become AI yourself
No not yet.