Moonshine skateboards do some amazing graphics; I'm very lucky to be able to ride for them. They don't make this graphic any more, but have a look at the rest of the decks. There's a lot of good stuff there: moonshineskateboards.bigcartel.com
A trick I use for hardware showed to me by Michael Siegfried back in the late 80s: use truck mounting bolts on your skids. They're indestructable and allow you to mount your skid a little closer to the end of the board without worrying about breakage (still not at the very end though). You can flip the nuts upside down so that they're easier to get a grip on with a wrench. If you use a skid that has the holes closer to the tail, the nuts actually wear along with the skid. It makes the skid last forever. It looks like nowadays most skids have the holes pretty far away from the edge though. Anyway, thanks for the video. Never seen the Blu-tac idea which is genius! I've had so many crooked skids because I didn't have a good way to keep them steady.
Some people use absolutely GIANT woodscrews to go straight through the deck from the top into the plastic. It's a lot more work, though - and not as easy to replace the skids once they wear down.
@@TonyGaleFreestyle thnx for the tip also what if i have to put it at the end. (Basically what if i have a skid that’s wide “width wise” where I’m forced to put it like that. Should i find a different size or just deal with it?
In the UK, it's pretty much Offset or nothing. In America, Moonshine, Mode and Decomposed all do their own skid plates, and in mainland Europe, Never Enough (and I believe Cirus) do them, too.
@Tony Gale was wondering if I can attach a skid plate onto a slightly worn skateboard where there is a gap between the plate and deck from wear. Or will this reduce the plates effectiveness?
You can do that, but it depends on how worn it is. I have a Mullen reissue with a flat nose that I fitted a skid to after a bit of skating, and there's a small gap (about 5mm long) between the nose and the end of the skid plate. If you're looking at much more wear than that, it might be better to reshape the tail by cutting off some of the worn section before fitting a skidplate, or you're likely to break the mounting hardware by forcing the skidplate into the "void" every time you skate on it.
Thanks for the detailed response! I'll try and put the plate slighty further back to increase contact area. It's not too worn so it should be fine but I'll remember your advice.
I remember when skid plates were also kind of like brake plates you could stamp in the ground for those emergency near-car-hit moments. Guess that usage has gone out of practice.
that's how I do it when free skating, so I'm gonna invest in one of these skid plates. they also help keep the tail from razor tail for a while, freestyle skaters got the idea
It’s an old Nixon - I want to say the Roadie, but I’ve had it so long that I can’t remember for sure. I don’t think they make them in this style (with the extra wide strap) any more.
It's tough to know exactly how well the tailbones will fit without looking at the deck. There's enough material on the old style tailbones that you can cut them to shape yourself if you can be bothered (that material is hard to cut without power tools and a proper workbench). Another option would be to contact Yoyo in Germany at yoyoskates.com/ - he makes a lot of skid plates and could probably cut you a custom shaped one to fit perfectly if you provided him with a detailed outline of the Shakedown's tail.
Just purchased a Shakedown and after a couple of manual attempts the tail was wearing away, did you have any success in sourcing skid plates for yours?
I have a question since i ride an 80s skateboard and i dont really do tricks anymore but id still love to have a tail without razortail Installing this would it still pop when i have a tail feather? Bc i do pop my board up into my hand whenever i pick it up?
Yeah, it still pops. If anything, it pops better over the lifetime of the deck, as you’ve always got that crispy plastic instead of damp and dead razortailed wood. You might want to use a riser to compensate for the change in the tail angle when the deck hits the ground, though.
Honestly, I don't know. I'm pretty Moonshine MFG use some odd constructions and I'm not sure if that deck would respond well to drilling extra holes at the end - or if the material would be able to grip the mounting hardware properly.
Yeah, it works fine. It might feel a bit like using low trucks because the tail hits faster and at a lower angle, but you do get a nice crispy pop for longer due to the plastic not wearing as fast as wood.
@@MattBlytheTheOne I’m honestly not sure - I’ve been using them on every board I’ve skated since 2004 so I’ve forgotten what my ollies were like without them!
I don’t think so, personally. I always find a skid plate pops better than a razor tailed deck, anyway! You might want some risers to compensate for the flatter angle of the board as it pops, though.
on a single kick i think it feels better to not have skid plates on the nose because its just more comfortable to have your foot rest on a 100% flat surface for a casper rather than a flat surface and a skid. i just like em on the tail. what is the purpose of them on a single kick nose anyway? i dont imagine it doing much as opposed to a doublekick
If your foot is resting on the skid plate for a casper, you're too far back, and you're at risk of touching the ground! You want to be a bit closer to the truck - at which point the skid plate acts as a small lip, giving you extra grip to lock in the casper. Personally, I use them on a single kick nose just because it confused me having one end which slides around easily on the ground only to find the other end digs in unexpectedly. It also helps a bit with doing nosewheelies and g-turns on the flat nose as you're less likely to totally lock up if you "snowplow" it and press the nose into the ground.
You should use them *before* the razor tail. Put them on a new board, and swap them out if they get too worn, and you'll avoid razor tail completely - but you can't put them on a board you've already worn down.
Yeah, they’re definitely worth using. Not only will it make the board last a lot longer, but it’ll help protect the ends from delams and give you something extra to grab onto for various tricks. They really don’t add a lot of extra weight; two skid plates is something like 80g in total, and that’s nothing compared to the rest of the weight in your average Bhangra/Paris/60-65mm wheel setup.
hey I have a question. do skit plates really make a difference if I don't really do pogos? i don't really do those, i kinda do everything else personally. also will the skid plate get in the way if i do an ollie? thanks.
Yeah, they make a huge difference. Freestyle is really hard on the end of the tail; razortail is a big problem without skids, and razortail + fingerflips = blood. Also, the skids reduce friction under the tail a little bit, which can help in some situations. You also get a little bit of extra help with caspers if you use skid plates, as it gives you a small shelf to stand on (or at least snag your foot on), whereas without a skid, your foot is likely to just slide down and off the back of the tail on more complex casper tricks. And ollies? You might get a perceived lack of pop because the nose will be at a lower angle when the tail hits the ground, but you can compensate for this by using risers (which is a good thing, because risers also make rail tricks easier - more space to stand on).
Tony Gale i never even thought about how you could use em as a shelf for caspers. And i freestyle on a standard mellow concave street deck, i would get ghostpop because my risers + 55mm wheels would make it too high of a leverage for my tail, i guess a skid would actually solve that problem. You sold me, thanks
I think that's why you don't see them so much anymore. Higher turnover on boards = more $. That and a lot of things which are really functional become fashion fads (like parasols) then go out of style, with many people not realizing that they actually served a purpose.
@@TonyGaleFreestyle thank you broo and what size of skid plates do you recommend for my 8-inch board? I wanna get a waltz ones but I don't know what is the size of them :c
Honestly, skid plate choice isn't based on the size of the deck, but the shape of the tails. Waltz's skids are designed to fit their decks, so wouldn't be a good choice if you're riding a regular popsicle-shaped street deck. I tend to recommend these for popsicle-shaped decks - they're not perfect, but they're close: offsetskatesupply.co.uk/product/yoyo-skid-plates/
If you're in the USA, Mode skateboards do some that should fit: modeskateboards.bigcartel.com/product/mode-tail-skid (You want two of the tail skids, not the nose skids, as this is a bi-directional board) If you're in Europe, my man Yoyo Shultz does some great ones - probably the best in the world - at yoyoskates.com. His webshop's down so you have to email him directly, but all the info is on there.
Honestly? It’s just... different. I think the pop is more consistent (because you’re smacking plastic off concrete, and plastic never changes how it pops - compared to wood, which can feel damp or soggy over time), but it makes the tail pop at a lower angle because of the added thickness - much the same effect as using a low truck. If you compensate by adding in a thin riser, it should be much the same as doing an Ollie on a deck without skids.
Do you know why I love skidplates? High speed barefoot skating,I can stop now
That's a beautiful board. I love the color and the minimalist graphic.
Moonshine skateboards do some amazing graphics; I'm very lucky to be able to ride for them. They don't make this graphic any more, but have a look at the rest of the decks. There's a lot of good stuff there: moonshineskateboards.bigcartel.com
A trick I use for hardware showed to me by Michael Siegfried back in the late 80s: use truck mounting bolts on your skids. They're indestructable and allow you to mount your skid a little closer to the end of the board without worrying about breakage (still not at the very end though). You can flip the nuts upside down so that they're easier to get a grip on with a wrench. If you use a skid that has the holes closer to the tail, the nuts actually wear along with the skid. It makes the skid last forever. It looks like nowadays most skids have the holes pretty far away from the edge though. Anyway, thanks for the video. Never seen the Blu-tac idea which is genius! I've had so many crooked skids because I didn't have a good way to keep them steady.
Hey tony if I don’t have rat nuts hardware any other alternative ways i can attach the skid plates?
Some people use absolutely GIANT woodscrews to go straight through the deck from the top into the plastic. It's a lot more work, though - and not as easy to replace the skids once they wear down.
@@TonyGaleFreestyle thnx for the tip also what if i have to put it at the end. (Basically what if i have a skid that’s wide “width wise” where I’m forced to put it like that. Should i find a different size or just deal with it?
Thank you Tony. Had real hard job finding anything less than Powell-Peralta 8" . Found yhose yoyo's on Offset, any other places you know?
In the UK, it's pretty much Offset or nothing. In America, Moonshine, Mode and Decomposed all do their own skid plates, and in mainland Europe, Never Enough (and I believe Cirus) do them, too.
waaaaaiiit do you yoyo?
@Tony Gale was wondering if I can attach a skid plate onto a slightly worn skateboard where there is a gap between the plate and deck from wear. Or will this reduce the plates effectiveness?
You can do that, but it depends on how worn it is. I have a Mullen reissue with a flat nose that I fitted a skid to after a bit of skating, and there's a small gap (about 5mm long) between the nose and the end of the skid plate.
If you're looking at much more wear than that, it might be better to reshape the tail by cutting off some of the worn section before fitting a skidplate, or you're likely to break the mounting hardware by forcing the skidplate into the "void" every time you skate on it.
Thanks for the detailed response! I'll try and put the plate slighty further back to increase contact area. It's not too worn so it should be fine but I'll remember your advice.
dude is THE SKATEBOARD WHISPERER
I remember when skid plates were also kind of like brake plates you could stamp in the ground for those emergency near-car-hit moments. Guess that usage has gone out of practice.
It's definitely still a thing, but only for freestylers. That said, I'd generally rather footbrake. It evens out the wear on my shoes!
that's how I do it when free skating, so I'm gonna invest in one of these skid plates. they also help keep the tail from razor tail for a while, freestyle skaters got the idea
I remember you Tony, you did a demo on the Toy Store Oxford Street. 😁
Yep, that’s me! Seems like bloody ages ago now.
hey man what watch are you wearing in this vid? Need one like that 😂
It’s an old Nixon - I want to say the Roadie, but I’ve had it so long that I can’t remember for sure. I don’t think they make them in this style (with the extra wide strap) any more.
I just bought a shaped deck (Arbor Shakedown) and I'm considering Powell Peralta tailbones for it.
Think it would work?
It's tough to know exactly how well the tailbones will fit without looking at the deck. There's enough material on the old style tailbones that you can cut them to shape yourself if you can be bothered (that material is hard to cut without power tools and a proper workbench).
Another option would be to contact Yoyo in Germany at yoyoskates.com/ - he makes a lot of skid plates and could probably cut you a custom shaped one to fit perfectly if you provided him with a detailed outline of the Shakedown's tail.
Just purchased a Shakedown and after a couple of manual attempts the tail was wearing away, did you have any success in sourcing skid plates for yours?
I have a question since i ride an 80s skateboard and i dont really do tricks anymore but id still love to have a tail without razortail
Installing this would it still pop when i have a tail feather? Bc i do pop my board up into my hand whenever i pick it up?
Yeah, it still pops. If anything, it pops better over the lifetime of the deck, as you’ve always got that crispy plastic instead of damp and dead razortailed wood.
You might want to use a riser to compensate for the change in the tail angle when the deck hits the ground, though.
It certainly worked for Marty Mcfly in Back To The Future!
Hi, I have got a Moonshine eclipse longboard can I add some skid plates on it ?
Honestly, I don't know. I'm pretty Moonshine MFG use some odd constructions and I'm not sure if that deck would respond well to drilling extra holes at the end - or if the material would be able to grip the mounting hardware properly.
@@TonyGaleFreestyle Ok no problem I'll see how could I do it , thx a lot 🔥
Can you still Ollie with skid plates?
Yeah, it works fine. It might feel a bit like using low trucks because the tail hits faster and at a lower angle, but you do get a nice crispy pop for longer due to the plastic not wearing as fast as wood.
@@TonyGaleFreestyle Thanks. Does it pop higher or lower with scuff pads?
@@MattBlytheTheOne I’m honestly not sure - I’ve been using them on every board I’ve skated since 2004 so I’ve forgotten what my ollies were like without them!
do these affect the pop of your ollies and flip tricks?
I don’t think so, personally. I always find a skid plate pops better than a razor tailed deck, anyway!
You might want some risers to compensate for the flatter angle of the board as it pops, though.
on a single kick i think it feels better to not have skid plates on the nose because its just more comfortable to have your foot rest on a 100% flat surface for a casper rather than a flat surface and a skid. i just like em on the tail. what is the purpose of them on a single kick nose anyway? i dont imagine it doing much as opposed to a doublekick
If your foot is resting on the skid plate for a casper, you're too far back, and you're at risk of touching the ground! You want to be a bit closer to the truck - at which point the skid plate acts as a small lip, giving you extra grip to lock in the casper.
Personally, I use them on a single kick nose just because it confused me having one end which slides around easily on the ground only to find the other end digs in unexpectedly. It also helps a bit with doing nosewheelies and g-turns on the flat nose as you're less likely to totally lock up if you "snowplow" it and press the nose into the ground.
Can I use these cause of really bad razor tail
You should use them *before* the razor tail. Put them on a new board, and swap them out if they get too worn, and you'll avoid razor tail completely - but you can't put them on a board you've already worn down.
I just got a bhangra v2, do you recommend skid plates for it if i want to use it for freestyle? The board is already big and heavy
Yeah, they’re definitely worth using. Not only will it make the board last a lot longer, but it’ll help protect the ends from delams and give you something extra to grab onto for various tricks.
They really don’t add a lot of extra weight; two skid plates is something like 80g in total, and that’s nothing compared to the rest of the weight in your average Bhangra/Paris/60-65mm wheel setup.
@@TonyGaleFreestyle thanks! ill start looking for one thatll fit my board
thanks for this vid!
is there in aliexpress??
hey I have a question. do skit plates really make a difference if I don't really do pogos? i don't really do those, i kinda do everything else personally.
also will the skid plate get in the way if i do an ollie? thanks.
Yeah, they make a huge difference. Freestyle is really hard on the end of the tail; razortail is a big problem without skids, and razortail + fingerflips = blood. Also, the skids reduce friction under the tail a little bit, which can help in some situations.
You also get a little bit of extra help with caspers if you use skid plates, as it gives you a small shelf to stand on (or at least snag your foot on), whereas without a skid, your foot is likely to just slide down and off the back of the tail on more complex casper tricks.
And ollies? You might get a perceived lack of pop because the nose will be at a lower angle when the tail hits the ground, but you can compensate for this by using risers (which is a good thing, because risers also make rail tricks easier - more space to stand on).
Tony Gale i never even thought about how you could use em as a shelf for caspers. And i freestyle on a standard mellow concave street deck, i would get ghostpop because my risers + 55mm wheels would make it too high of a leverage for my tail, i guess a skid would actually solve that problem. You sold me, thanks
guys if you add plastic fenders you will effectively prevent wearing out the tips of the board... making it last at least 2 times more
I think that's why you don't see them so much anymore. Higher turnover on boards = more $. That and a lot of things which are really functional become fashion fads (like parasols) then go out of style, with many people not realizing that they actually served a purpose.
Can you put skid plates on a regular board?
You can put them on any skateboard, whether it's a regular freestyle board or one of those weird street popsicle sticks.
Can u do pop tricks with that?
Yeah, of course. Ollie stuff still works fine. You'd probably struggle with tailslides but no problems anywhere else.
@@TonyGaleFreestyle thank you broo and what size of skid plates do you recommend for my 8-inch board? I wanna get a waltz ones but I don't know what is the size of them :c
Honestly, skid plate choice isn't based on the size of the deck, but the shape of the tails. Waltz's skids are designed to fit their decks, so wouldn't be a good choice if you're riding a regular popsicle-shaped street deck.
I tend to recommend these for popsicle-shaped decks - they're not perfect, but they're close: offsetskatesupply.co.uk/product/yoyo-skid-plates/
I just ordered one of these decks. What skidplates fit it? Any recommendation on brand?
If you're in the USA, Mode skateboards do some that should fit: modeskateboards.bigcartel.com/product/mode-tail-skid (You want two of the tail skids, not the nose skids, as this is a bi-directional board)
If you're in Europe, my man Yoyo Shultz does some great ones - probably the best in the world - at yoyoskates.com. His webshop's down so you have to email him directly, but all the info is on there.
ollie - better or worth w Skid.
Honestly? It’s just... different. I think the pop is more consistent (because you’re smacking plastic off concrete, and plastic never changes how it pops - compared to wood, which can feel damp or soggy over time), but it makes the tail pop at a lower angle because of the added thickness - much the same effect as using a low truck. If you compensate by adding in a thin riser, it should be much the same as doing an Ollie on a deck without skids.
Wish I could get the right size without going custom.
You should check out www.offsetskatesupply.co.uk - there's loads of different shapes and sizes on there.
@@TonyGaleFreestyle I'll check it out. Thank you.
Make it wooden with the help of the Woodglut instructions.
See i just skate on a normal 8.25
No reason to not use skid plates if you're planning on doing some freestyle!
@@TonyGaleFreestyle I freestyle with normal street.
@@deatheternal720, how's that working for you? 🤔 That's a freaking huge deck.
pretty good, actually. it feels like it floats when i ollie.
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