@@ShySo9 drummond was so ass even as an all star shot like shit for a center his fts were a meme no way to finish outside of 3 ft n putbacks he was a beast on the boards but thts literally it overrated imo shark in a bird bath
@@aryadoggo8594 I wouldn’t say Blake is a benchwarmer. He did get minutes when Al Horford needed rest days and Luke Kornet was subbed out . I think he even started a few games
That 2013 offseason I looked at the Pistons moves of adding Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, and the veteran leadership of Chauncey Billups and thought to myself…”Man these guys could really be something to watch in the East next year!” Yeah then I remembered they hired Mo Cheeks…😬
From 2009 until Troy Weaver arrived the Pistons were stuck in NBA purgatory. They weren't good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to land a top pick. Troy Weaver came in and blew the whole roster up and now 3 years later we have our franchise player (Cade) and 2 other really promising pieces to the core (Ivey and Duren). We will add another big piece in the draft this year. I much prefer what we're doing now vs what we did all those years before.
Great video. I was 8 when the 2004 Pistons won it all, but became a die-hard fan in 2010. Its been a tough 13 years. Those games with Brandon Jennings at the helm were the most enjoyable part of that whole decade+
Obviously getting Wemby would be huge for the team, but they've got a really good center in Duren, and their starting backcourt is locked up with Ivey and Cade. They just really need a great wing player, could be Brandon Miller
Im fine with either Scoot or Miller tbh. They could realistically move Cade to the 3 which seems bad rn but Cade has the potential of becoming a great two-way player. We haven't seen him or Ivey play together yet so this is all speculation but I rn (Miller and Scoot) > Wemby for me.
#1 rule of nba draft is if there is an outrageous talent you pick them, position doesn't matter in this instance. Make Wemby and Duren compete against each other to stimulate growth and development, use the other one as a trade piece (if you can't play them together but Wemby can stretch the floor and shoot really well so I don't see why not).
It's truly depressing what's been going on with the Pistons the last 15 years. I've been a fan since the late 70's, witnessed the growth of the franchise through the 80's which includes 11 East Finals appearances, 5 NBA Finals appearances, and 3 NBA World Championships. Even when the team transitioned during the 90's it wasn't this bad. Troy Weaver says he wants to "Restore" the Pistons and build them into contenders again...Well, we're waiting. And waiting, and waiting, and waiting. SMH!
Thank you for doing this. I requested it, and I can’t thank you anymore for you doing this for me, who’s a die hard DETROIT sports fan, but I know we had that failed rebuild. But I can’t just thank u any more jay warvz for doing this for me.
Absolutely love this video! Thanks for taking so much time into making this. It does hurt and I have no idea how I was able to remain a Pistons fan all these years despite living in South Korea 😂😂
They were never really in a "rebuild." Executives always made moves like it was more of a retool and they never pulled the trigger on a full-on teardown until about 2019-2020. Troy Weaver imo has done pretty well with it and it feels like we finally have something in place to actually rebuild around.
As a Bulls fan I’m still pissed the Bulls let Ben Gordon go to Detroit. I know they overpaid but he would’ve been a nice spark in that DRose MVP run… damn… lol
I was around and aware during the 04 pistons years. Became even more aware as I got older for the Reggie Jackson years. Least favorite was definitely that period from around 2010-2014. Afterwards was up and down, but still somewhat fun to watch.
I absolutely love your videos! The only critiques I have are about the draft misses. The example I’ll use is the 2017 draft with Kennard. Yes, Mitchell could’ve been a better pick, but not Bam. They just had trouble with a three man front court. Other than those on occasion, you do a great job! Keep it up!
Pistons have only 2 playoff appearances since 2009 and 0 playoff wins since 2008 all while playing in the noticably weaker east. It's really hard to be that bad for that long in this league. Their organizational incompetence has just been unreal since trading Chauncey Billups a few games into the 08-09 season.
Who’s watching this during the Pistons 23 game losing streak? 1st Edit: 25 2nd Edit: 26 3rd Edit: 27 (NBA record for longest losing streak in a single season) 4th edit: 28 5th edit: the Detroit Pistons losing streak ends at 28 on 12-30-2023.
Hold on with that Drummond-trade! holy shit. That's gotta be the worst haul of assets for a recent All-Star. John Henson, Brandon Knight and a second rounder.. wow.
@@WestCoastCheeseHead I Agree With You He isn't underrated everyone know he's value he is a great rebounder with low Iq when making plays and he was just putting empty stats on a bad team
nah he was overrated nun but rebounding n his blocks was bc he was a good jumper constantly jumpin at nighas flailing his arms he was bound to get sum 🤣
It hurts my soul that this upcoming season is the first time I've bought season tickets because I was expecting Wemby to come to us and we dropped all the way to 5. Just hoping the next 5 years are better than the last 5 and I can live with that.
LETS GO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS BRO I LOVE YOU WILL BE A SUB 4LYFE 🌊🤞🏼 will cade ever be the same player after that injury? if not killian needs to step up. who knows they might get the #1 pick of wemby for the french connection
Currently on an 18 game losing streak as of typing this on Dec 7.2023 with no direction or promise upcoming especially with how Cade has looked recently. Troy Weaver will continue to have this team in the abyss as long as he's still the GM.
The thing that made Pistons so bad the owner Bill Davidson passed away. The year he passed away everything went downhill. Then they drafted bad, the keys went to SVG who (The bad outweighed the good) made horrible moves. Troy came along and clear up a huge mess now the future is bright. Cade, Ivey and Duren will be great in time. Now with Monty all they need is solid forwards, depth and time.
I seen what we tried to do tho the only thing I don’t like was the constant coaching changes and getting past there prime players on big deals- the actual drafting made sense it just didn’t work
This team has had 0 continuity over the course of a 5+ year period. The coaching and GM switches, the rotating players. Their draft capital has always been spent on Size and Athleticism, not skill. 0 worthy point guards. At least they have Cade Cunningham, but there's nobody else on this roster I've seen worth holding on to. Jaden Ivy is nice, but hasn't done enough to prove himself. Marvin, Jalen and Wiseman are all competing against themselves. Pistons are in no-mans land.
I think it’s all been at the top with ownership. Bill Davidson made sure the team always had what they needed and wanted to be the best, but he unfortunately passed away and his family sold the team. Current ownership is too loyal to bad GMs, signs players who are not a good fit for too much money, and frankly don’t care about winning.
Fun story: John Kuester was so toxic for the Pistons, when the team vets protested a lack of moves to improve the team, he only played 6 players (2 players who arrived late to shoot around also didn’t play should be stated,) and in said game, Kuester got ejected which drew laughs from the players. Absolute joke of a coach
In 03 they could’ve chosen Wade, Bosh, or Melo but instead they drafted Milicic😞. If they had only been more wiser with their pick perhaps they could’ve had at least three championships during the 00’s.
Drop your NBA Timeline suggestions!
New York knicks from getting melo to going back into the 2nd round playoffs today (if you havent done that already) 😄
Tatum timeline or embiid timeline
Jrue Holiday or Deandre Ayton timeline please!
Pacers rebuild after the Paul George Trade
Nah let’s be real let’s do Nate Robison 😂😂
The Pistons have been rebuilding so long that most people forget they even made the playoffs twice. Feels like they're still in the playoffs drought
Until they make a finals their irrelevant....nobody talked cavs 1993-2006....they still seem to not
Indeed man
I remember the ben wallace days with rip and chauncey as the backcourt and sheed and prince as forwards. They were a force to be reckoned with.
Well they got swept out both times too, I don't believe they have even won a playoff game in something like 15 years
@@jacobcelmer4928 Especially 2019 when Griffin was injured and they looked like a JV team vs Bucks
Drummond and Griffin have completely gone from all-stars to role players now.
Arent both of them benchwarmers now?
@@aryadoggo8594 yea they are
@@ShySo9 drummond was so ass even as an all star shot like shit for a center his fts were a meme no way to finish outside of 3 ft n putbacks he was a beast on the boards but thts literally it overrated imo shark in a bird bath
@@aryadoggo8594 I wouldn’t say Blake is a benchwarmer. He did get minutes when Al Horford needed rest days and Luke Kornet was subbed out . I think he even started a few games
@@SpikeShooter92 he is a bench warmer hes done
Falling to #5 after a 17-win season is brutal. I feel bad for not just Pistons fans, but Detroit sports fans in general.
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Ausar thompson looking really good tho
At least the Lions are good now
What a spacing nightmare to have Drummond, Monroe and Smith in the same starting lineup.
It was
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I'd love to force all these annoying boomers that love bigmen and mid range jump shooting to watch pistons games with Drummond/Monroa/Smith.
That 2013 offseason I looked at the Pistons moves of adding Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, and the veteran leadership of Chauncey Billups and thought to myself…”Man these guys could really be something to watch in the East next year!”
Yeah then I remembered they hired Mo Cheeks…😬
@@Millipede666the annoying boomers always forget that illegal defence is no longer a rule. It was so much easier to post up with no helpside defence
Appreciate the effort and hard work you put into these videos! I imagine it’s difficult to find these older clips
Thank you very much. 😍
From 2009 until Troy Weaver arrived the Pistons were stuck in NBA purgatory. They weren't good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to land a top pick. Troy Weaver came in and blew the whole roster up and now 3 years later we have our franchise player (Cade) and 2 other really promising pieces to the core (Ivey and Duren). We will add another big piece in the draft this year. I much prefer what we're doing now vs what we did all those years before.
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Hopefully weavers picks actually work out
@Sorry123 well so far they have cade ivey and Duran are all studs man got so much potential it's crazy
People said the same thing back then, that you can't compete without 1 high-end allstar, but they did.. They just played extremely well together..
100% I’d rather be tanking then having no shot to win plus no long term upside
I remember watching Griffin playing with 1leg in playoffs much respect for this man
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Great video. I was 8 when the 2004 Pistons won it all, but became a die-hard fan in 2010. Its been a tough 13 years. Those games with Brandon Jennings at the helm were the most enjoyable part of that whole decade+
Hopefully this decade, they will have a successful rebuild
The Pistons signing Josh Smith and giving the middle finger to the very idea of spacing will never not be funny to me.
Well it was 13-14 spacing was just starting to become big in the league
@@WestCoastCheeseHead even then, look at the front court the pistons already had at that point. It was really bad
@@enthusiastofcute the guards were trash...they had a meh bench
Pistons turned a solid small ball c into a waste on the corners and wind....
@@razkable I didn't mean they had a bad front court in terms of talent. Just that the spacing was garbage.
I'm actually really excited about Detroit rebuilt after hiring Troy Weaver. I plan to go watch them play live at least 2-3 times next season.
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Obviously getting Wemby would be huge for the team, but they've got a really good center in Duren, and their starting backcourt is locked up with Ivey and Cade. They just really need a great wing player, could be Brandon Miller
Im fine with either Scoot or Miller tbh. They could realistically move Cade to the 3 which seems bad rn but Cade has the potential of becoming a great two-way player. We haven't seen him or Ivey play together yet so this is all speculation but I rn (Miller and Scoot) > Wemby for me.
#1 rule of nba draft is if there is an outrageous talent you pick them, position doesn't matter in this instance. Make Wemby and Duren compete against each other to stimulate growth and development, use the other one as a trade piece (if you can't play them together but Wemby can stretch the floor and shoot really well so I don't see why not).
Maybe your team could go for Cade, Ivey, Bojan, Wemby and Duren or be weird and put Wemby at 3 😂
In my opinion the pistons should trade bojan bogdanovic for young players and draft capital because any contender would want him he’s really good
Also how come the pistons traded saddiq bey? I don’t watch them much so I have no idea what goes on in that team
It's truly depressing what's been going on with the Pistons the last 15 years. I've been a fan since the late 70's, witnessed the growth of the franchise through the 80's which includes 11 East Finals appearances, 5 NBA Finals appearances, and 3 NBA World Championships. Even when the team transitioned during the 90's it wasn't this bad. Troy Weaver says he wants to "Restore" the Pistons and build them into contenders again...Well, we're waiting. And waiting, and waiting, and waiting. SMH!
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Ok but he got you a bunch of young guys and Cade to lead them. The future looks bright.
He's been here 4 years chill dude shit doesn't happen over night it takes time
Patience. Not every NBA team will be winners. Pistons will get their time eventually
This is really unique type of nba videos. Thank you!
Very much appreciated
7:42 Van Gundy’s discussion about leading his team to sustained success was only the beginning of something that started to age poorly
True man
Thank you for doing this. I requested it, and I can’t thank you anymore for you doing this for me, who’s a die hard DETROIT sports fan, but I know we had that failed rebuild. But I can’t just thank u any more jay warvz for doing this for me.
Thank you for the support man!
Np. I’ll always support u, I love these timeline videos
Yeah, I can see there is a lot of work to put a video like this together. Thank you Sir!
Very much appreciated!
Mannn that 2017-18 team had so much potential. I’m sooo mad they decide to blow that roster up. Tobias Harris was sooo good here
Indeed man
Absolutely love this video!
Thanks for taking so much time into making this. It does hurt and I have no idea how I was able to remain a Pistons fan all these years despite living in South Korea 😂😂
Very much appreciated man!
Thanks for doing this
Welcome man
They were never really in a "rebuild." Executives always made moves like it was more of a retool and they never pulled the trigger on a full-on teardown until about 2019-2020. Troy Weaver imo has done pretty well with it and it feels like we finally have something in place to actually rebuild around.
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Completely agree. Not One executive did an overhaul to rebuild, Like Troy did.
Sad memories. The two worst moments were Gordon and Villanueva coming after trading Chauncey for cap space and the Josh Smith signing.
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Great video Jay Jay Warvz 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks a lot man!!!!
@@jaywarvz no problem bruh
Can’t believe they refused to just completely bottom out, stuck with those mid - late lottery picks for years.
So tough man
Jaden Ivey and Cade Cunningham will make some noise on their own. Just imagine if they get Wemby, too...
Hopefully
And now they have a 5th pick after having a terrible year.
I thought they would win top pick
these videos are so entertaning
Thank you very much
I just watched yours last video, keep up with good work bro ♥
Thank you very much man!
Great content
Thanks man
As a Bulls fan I’m still pissed the Bulls let Ben Gordon go to Detroit. I know they overpaid but he would’ve been a nice spark in that DRose MVP run… damn… lol
What could have been
I was around and aware during the 04 pistons years. Became even more aware as I got older for the Reggie Jackson years. Least favorite was definitely that period from around 2010-2014. Afterwards was up and down, but still somewhat fun to watch.
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I think the direction that the pistons r headed in is solid cade is gonna be really good
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love these vids hope u don’t stop
Thank you very much
I hope this latest youth movement works. The NBA is better when the Pistons are good.
Wayy better
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17:19 This definitely aged well
Cursed franchise
They thought Luke Kennard was better than Donavon Mitchell
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Great Video!!
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Thank u for doing my request
Welcome man
I absolutely love your videos! The only critiques I have are about the draft misses. The example I’ll use is the 2017 draft with Kennard. Yes, Mitchell could’ve been a better pick, but not Bam. They just had trouble with a three man front court. Other than those on occasion, you do a great job! Keep it up!
Noted man. Thanks for the suggestion!
Another good video Jay
Thanks man
Pistons have only 2 playoff appearances since 2009 and 0 playoff wins since 2008 all while playing in the noticably weaker east. It's really hard to be that bad for that long in this league. Their organizational incompetence has just been unreal since trading Chauncey Billups a few games into the 08-09 season.
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Haven't made a playoff appearance since 2019
So tough
Detroit man. Such a sad state. Booe they get back to their former.glory
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I love this channel
Thanks a lot!
Keep it up man your great 👍
Thanks a lot man
After the 2016 playoff appearance, Pistons were expecting a new jump, just too bad they had injury troubles and just imploded.
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Pistons are one of many teams that went to rebuild & drafted bad & got wrong free agents.
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They held on to aging stars
Injury-prone
not sure if you did this already but the kings rise back to the playoffs even tho they lost
Noted man
First also nice video, i like it :D.
Thanks a lot
here we go my pistons baby i hope we turn it around soon we got a good core
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They've just been on the not bad, but not good stages. Wonder if that will continue until 2030. Do players WANT to go to Detroit?
They should hope to draft future superstar
The front office seems dysfunctional a constant revolving door of new faces and ideas, and the players and HC usually suffers
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And then they drop all the way to 5 in a 3 player draft after winning 17 games. This shit will never fucking end
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This video got more depressing the more I watched. We deserve better in Detroit. Right now it doesn’t matter who our next HC is.
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Pistons will always be a provety franchise in 2 more decades.
Probably
When Joe Dumars drafted Austin Daye years ago, I officially knew that we were gonna be bad for years to come with those types of selections🤦🏽♂️
Bust selections
Who’s watching this during the Pistons 23 game losing streak?
1st Edit: 25
2nd Edit: 26
3rd Edit: 27 (NBA record for longest losing streak in a single season)
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5th edit: the Detroit Pistons losing streak ends at 28 on 12-30-2023.
26 💀
Let’s go for 30
Worst team ever
They have a promising young core now
Agree with you man
Hold on with that Drummond-trade! holy shit. That's gotta be the worst haul of assets for a recent All-Star. John Henson, Brandon Knight and a second rounder.. wow.
Basically, a salary dump for their franchise player
Iverson almost became a Piston eight years earlier but Matt Geiger wouldn't waive his trade kicker clause
True man
Man Andre Drummond is so underrated
Facts Bro A lot of people forget he used to be an All Star
He wasn’t underrated everyone knew he was only a great rebounder and wasn’t doing anything else special
Is he though?
@@WestCoastCheeseHead I Agree With You He isn't underrated everyone know he's value he is a great rebounder with low Iq when making plays and he was just putting empty stats on a bad team
nah he was overrated nun but rebounding n his blocks was bc he was a good jumper constantly jumpin at nighas flailing his arms he was bound to get sum 🤣
Guys wake up Jay dropped another vid
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It hurts my soul that this upcoming season is the first time I've bought season tickets because I was expecting Wemby to come to us and we dropped all the way to 5. Just hoping the next 5 years are better than the last 5 and I can live with that.
Still a great experience to watch live NBA games
Ausar & Cade 🤭
Good vid
Thanks man
Lol 😂 best video Detroit the team that is always re building after 2008
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Wow, the Pistons have been really bad at drafting until 2021.
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LETS GO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS BRO I LOVE YOU WILL BE A SUB 4LYFE 🌊🤞🏼
will cade ever be the same player after that injury? if not killian needs to step up. who knows they might get the #1 pick of wemby for the french connection
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😭😭😭 the kilian Hayes pick is craxy
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Currently on an 18 game losing streak as of typing this on Dec 7.2023 with no direction or promise upcoming especially with how Cade has looked recently. Troy Weaver will continue to have this team in the abyss as long as he's still the GM.
More than a decade of disappointments
make that 20
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That 2015-2016 lineup actually has potential not a terrible young core for the time sadly just didn’t work out
Unfortunately
The thing that made Pistons so bad the owner Bill Davidson passed away. The year he passed away everything went downhill. Then they drafted bad, the keys went to SVG who (The bad outweighed the good) made horrible moves. Troy came along and clear up a huge mess now the future is bright. Cade, Ivey and Duren will be great in time. Now with Monty all they need is solid forwards, depth and time.
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Moral of the story: don't build around stars well past their prime that you eventually have to buy out, build though the draft
Indeed man
I seen what we tried to do tho the only thing I don’t like was the constant coaching changes and getting past there prime players on big deals- the actual drafting made sense it just didn’t work
Agree with you man
This team has had 0 continuity over the course of a 5+ year period. The coaching and GM switches, the rotating players. Their draft capital has always been spent on Size and Athleticism, not skill. 0 worthy point guards. At least they have Cade Cunningham, but there's nobody else on this roster I've seen worth holding on to. Jaden Ivy is nice, but hasn't done enough to prove himself. Marvin, Jalen and Wiseman are all competing against themselves. Pistons are in no-mans land.
Still a lost direction for this team
Bro you won’t believe what I’m gonna be expecting in this ahahaha
What man
I think it’s all been at the top with ownership. Bill Davidson made sure the team always had what they needed and wanted to be the best, but he unfortunately passed away and his family sold the team. Current ownership is too loyal to bad GMs, signs players who are not a good fit for too much money, and frankly don’t care about winning.
Definitely man
imagine telling someone in 2012 that Derrick Rose and Blake Griffin eventually play together on the Pistons
Yeah man. Injuries derailed their careers
I hope they are going on the right track with guys like cade ivey and Duran
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Pistons will never win until George Blaha correctly identifies a Windmill Dunk.
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What a legendary season it has been in the 313
Yeah man
😞 this is sooooooo depressing man! I’m tired of losing and being mediocre
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I wonder what they would look like if they had drafted Carmelo rather than Darko.
One of the biggest what if
Shame Casey quit right as the future started to brighten up
They need new coach
Rodney Stucky was a perfect example of empty stats on a bad team but solid at a normal team 😂
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He had a cool highlight reel tho
It’s been a rough 15 years but I think in 2/3 years they could have a playoff team
Hopefully man
Hopefuly under Monty's management the Pistons will make the right moves to at least become a Playoff team
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Fun story: John Kuester was so toxic for the Pistons, when the team vets protested a lack of moves to improve the team, he only played 6 players (2 players who arrived late to shoot around also didn’t play should be stated,) and in said game, Kuester got ejected which drew laughs from the players.
Absolute joke of a coach
Yes indeed. Players hated john kuester
Who here after 27th lose straight
28
So tough
1:10 js soccer ⚽
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Thanks
Welcome
My 10 year career as a fan has been torture so far
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Coach Mo cheeks is an insane name 💀💀💀
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I mean, Brandon Knight was supposed to be a good/solid starter for them…until that ankle breaker from Irving at the All Star event
True man
Victor "Piston"yama?
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Thx
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We are in rebuild 3 since 2004.
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9:49 44 wins 8th seed Is Crazy
Yeah man
This is better than the endless rebuild of Orlando😅
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In 03 they could’ve chosen Wade, Bosh, or Melo but instead they drafted Milicic😞. If they had only been more wiser with their pick perhaps they could’ve had at least three championships during the 00’s.
Biggest mistake!