@HistoryRoadshow I think Thomas Cromwell is one of history's underrated people. yes he was Ruthless cunning . but let's not forget for nearly a decade he was the second most powerful man in England . Accept the king and yet he was from a low birth.
I’m so thrilled by this incredible find! When I was growing up Cromwell had such a bad reputation which was, in part, due to the popularity of the play and movie versions of “A Man For All Seasons” and “The Six Wives of Henry VIII” where he is portrayed as an evil genius who ruins and/or thoroughly destroys the lives of nearly everyone in his orbit. Dame Hilary Mantel’ magnificent Wolf Hall trilogy and the theater and BBC miniseries portray a much more nuanced and realistic Cromwell. The discovery of this prayer book adds to that nuanced view of Cromwell. Even though he was in favor of the reformation of the Roman Catholic Church, especially in England, it appears that he hadn’t completely thrown his Catholic upbringing away. While I don’t always agree with the way that he took care of business for Henry VIII I do think that Henry’s reign would’ve been very different if Cromwell hadn’t been running the show. How I wish that Dame Hilary were still with us. I would’ve enjoyed seeing her reaction to the news about this prayer book. Thanks too for the link. I’m going to watch it later. Thanks so much for these excellent and informative videos!
Cromwell is one of my most favourite characters from Tudor times. The work done to establish the veracity of this particular book of hours as belonging to him truly adds to the interest I have in him - and my grateful thanks to all those involved in that work. Without such dedication our knowledge of history would be stunted. Add to this the paintings and drawings produced by Holbein, and we have such a wonderful record of what the people really did look like. This just adds more “colour” to the subject. Also, my thanks to you for producing this really informative video.
Great presentation! Thank you so much! He must have known Henry VIII was not loyal to anybody. I wonder if he felt bad about what he had done to Anne Boleyn when he was taken to the scaffold. That was a dangerous time. It seems Holbein wanted to show Cromwell’s true character in his painting.
This was very good and well presented. I'm not quite sure what to think of him. Smart and very loyal to the king, but also a tough politician. He surely is a very interesting personality. Thank you Jon, this was great. Heading to Cambridge tomorrow 😊
@@HistoryRoadshow Yes, it was an excellent series and the book, part of a trilogy, was excellent as well. Hilary Mantel's view of Cromwell was more sympathetic than history has portrayed him.
@@HistoryRoadshow this is an absolute incredible find. And this is what makes history so exciting! when you find a direct on this undeniable correlation to that individual and people know that book passed through the hands of Cromwell! Also, the accuracy of Holbein as a portraitist to capture that book in such incredibly accurate detail. So this find I would say lends credence Holbeins accuracy and acumen for capturing the tudors correctly in his portraits
I highly recommend reading Thomas Cromwell The Untold Story of Henry VIII's Most Faithful Servant by Tracy Borman! So much insight into this brilliant, intriguing man!
Holbein did him no favors, gorgeous book but not a gorgeous prince, "put not your faith in princes." Moore looks lovely in his Holbein portrait, does not matter, both murdered by Henry. Loved Hillary Mantel's Tudor trilogy, Wolf Hall, Bring Up the Bodies and The Mirror and Light. Good work historians solving the mystery.
Henry secretly went to visit Anne of Cleves where she was staying on her way to London. He was in disguise so Anne paid him little attention and Henry was furious. Henry's description of their wedding night is so foul that I won't try to describe it. Furthermore, it seems that Anne was ignorant of sex, so in the following nights when Henry came to kiss her good-night she thought that was the extent of marital relationships. All that was required for Cromwell to be convicted and executed was Henry's disappointment in his bride. The same had been true for Cardinal Wolsey because of his failure to obtain a divorce from Queen Catherine. However, he died on the way to London before he was scheduled to be put on trial. Although Anne Bolyn's demise was engineered by Cromwell, Mantel describes him in disbelief when he finds out that Henry wants to get rid of Anne just as he got rid of Queen Catherine little more than two years prior. One can imagine Cromwell thinking it's "deja vu all over again."
Love that AI can bring older history alive. However one must know history actually b4 embracing what can be in 2024... my knowledge is in French and British. And im not an an mba in either. Just a fascination.
Cromwell fell into the snare that men/women of old were warned against by James 2:1 ‘my brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the lord of glory.’ I’m afraid he did reap the consequences of so doing. It might have gone differently for him, and others had he not.
given what a prayer book actually is, and given the life that Cromwell and all the others lived at that time I regard his possession and presumably use of such a thing as pure hypocrisy. after all the only thing his religion prompted him to do was crimes, just like all the others but then i am one of that unfortunate few who regard Christianity to be literally true and the bible to be literally the word of God, and the two - the bible, an the lives of all these Tudors, simply do not add up so rather than the word of God be invalidated we must see the Tudors as hypocrites
@@HistoryRoadshow some belief , yes, IMO, for atheism was extremely rare back in those days but loving his enemies did not come into it for myself as an evangelical Protestant with charismatic leaning having a prayer book is in fact anathema, something i have never have and never will do
most gorgeous prince i cry for mercy mercy mercy
Thanks for watching 😊
@HistoryRoadshow I think Thomas Cromwell is one of history's underrated people.
yes he was Ruthless cunning . but let's not forget for nearly a decade he was the second most powerful man in England . Accept the king and yet he was from a low birth.
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Once again thank you Jon! What would we do without you and History!
Thank you Cheryl always appreciated 😊
I’m so thrilled by this incredible find! When I was growing up Cromwell had such a bad reputation which was, in part, due to the popularity of the play and movie versions of “A Man For All Seasons” and “The Six Wives of Henry VIII” where he is portrayed as an evil genius who ruins and/or thoroughly destroys the lives of nearly everyone in his orbit. Dame Hilary Mantel’ magnificent Wolf Hall trilogy and the theater and BBC miniseries portray a much more nuanced and realistic Cromwell. The discovery of this prayer book adds to that nuanced view of Cromwell. Even though he was in favor of the reformation of the Roman Catholic Church, especially in England, it appears that he hadn’t completely thrown his Catholic upbringing away. While I don’t always agree with the way that he took care of business for Henry VIII I do think that Henry’s reign would’ve been very different if Cromwell hadn’t been running the show. How I wish that Dame Hilary were still with us. I would’ve enjoyed seeing her reaction to the news about this prayer book. Thanks too for the link. I’m going to watch it later. Thanks so much for these excellent and informative videos!
My pleasure Monica, so pleased you enjoyed the video and more so this amazing discovery 😊
A another great video.
Thanks Savage 😊
Cromwell is one of my most favourite characters from Tudor times. The work done to establish the veracity of this particular book of hours as belonging to him truly adds to the interest I have in him - and my grateful thanks to all those involved in that work. Without such dedication our knowledge of history would be stunted. Add to this the paintings and drawings produced by Holbein, and we have such a wonderful record of what the people really did look like. This just adds more “colour” to the subject. Also, my thanks to you for producing this really informative video.
Thank you Angela very kind 😊
Fascinating discovery. Thanks for featuring this episode.
Pleasure Mary Ann, have a great week 😊
Great presentation! Thank you so much! He must have known Henry VIII was not loyal to anybody. I wonder if he felt bad about what he had done to Anne Boleyn when he was taken to the scaffold. That was a dangerous time. It seems Holbein wanted to show Cromwell’s true character in his painting.
Much appreciated you make some great points. Thanks 😊
Much respect to this true historian.
Excellent report, thank you, Jon.
Appreciate you watching Elizabeth, thank you 😊
That animation of Cromwell was incredible.
Thank you Karen 😊
This was very good and well presented. I'm not quite sure what to think of him. Smart and very loyal to the king, but also a tough politician. He surely is a very interesting personality. Thank you Jon, this was great. Heading to Cambridge tomorrow 😊
Have a great time Anita, thank you as always 😊
@@HistoryRoadshow thank you 👍
Wow fascinating find. Thanks for this. Would love to see it in person!
It's at Hever until November, thanks Jane 😊
The impressive historical revelation shared by Jon, thank you.
My pleasure Ann thanks for watching 😊
Thank you so much for introducing me to this beautiful prayer book. Thank you also for the link to learn more about the book.
Appreciate that Vishnu, thanks as always 😊
Oh wow, what an amazing find. Can't wait to go and see it. More on this please and thank you
Thank you Emma hope you get to Hever 😊
Fantastic find!
Thank you Einez 😊
The Cromwell of "Wolf Hall" is pretty much how we picture him these days.
That was a very good show. Thanks Renias 😊
@@HistoryRoadshow Yes, it was an excellent series and the book, part of a trilogy, was excellent as well. Hilary Mantel's view of Cromwell was more sympathetic than history has portrayed him.
Wonderful. Thank you 💕
Glad you enjoyed Gail, thank you 😊
Mark Rylance gave the best portrayal of T.C.
Amazing! Thank you Jon!!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks 😊
@@HistoryRoadshow this is an absolute incredible find. And this is what makes history so exciting! when you find a direct on this undeniable correlation to that individual and people know that book passed through the hands of Cromwell! Also, the accuracy of Holbein as a portraitist to capture that book in such incredibly accurate detail. So this find I would say lends credence Holbeins accuracy and acumen for capturing the tudors correctly in his portraits
I've always thought Holbein was the portrait painter of a generation. No one else comes close. Thank you 😊
@@HistoryRoadshow absolutely. Thanks again for these wonderful mystery series.
Thomas Cromwell: a brilliant man!
Thanks Patricia 😊
Lucky enough to have seen it in the summer :-)
I highly recommend reading Thomas Cromwell The Untold Story of Henry VIII's Most Faithful Servant by Tracy Borman!
So much insight into this brilliant, intriguing man!
Great Tip, thanks 😊
Holbein did him no favors, gorgeous book but not a gorgeous prince, "put not your faith in princes." Moore looks lovely in his Holbein portrait, does not matter, both murdered by Henry. Loved Hillary Mantel's Tudor trilogy, Wolf Hall, Bring Up the Bodies and The Mirror and Light. Good work historians solving the mystery.
Thanks SuS much appreciated 😊
Hi Jon hope you're ok. Great video
Thanks Ali, yes all good here 😊
Fascinating xx
Amazing find Rosie, thanks 😊
Henry secretly went to visit Anne of Cleves where she was staying on her way to London. He was in disguise so Anne paid him little attention and Henry was furious. Henry's description of their wedding night is so foul that I won't try to describe it. Furthermore, it seems that Anne was ignorant of sex, so in the following nights when Henry came to kiss her good-night she thought that was the extent of marital relationships. All that was required for Cromwell to be convicted and executed was Henry's disappointment in his bride. The same had been true for Cardinal Wolsey because of his failure to obtain a divorce from Queen Catherine. However, he died on the way to London before he was scheduled to be put on trial.
Although Anne Bolyn's demise was engineered by Cromwell, Mantel describes him in disbelief when he finds out that Henry wants to get rid of Anne just as he got rid of Queen Catherine little more than two years prior. One can imagine Cromwell thinking it's "deja vu all over again."
suggest they restore the missing clasp on the book
Is his book of hours anything like anne boylene.. History can be so cumbersome
Love that AI can bring older history alive. However one must know history actually b4 embracing what can be in 2024... my knowledge is in French and British. And im not an an mba in either. Just a fascination.
Can you do a voice of Toni Jo Henry ☺️😘❤️😔
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Thank you Elle 😊
Cromwell fell into the snare that men/women of old were warned against by James 2:1 ‘my brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the lord of glory.’ I’m afraid he did reap the consequences of so doing. It might have gone differently for him, and others had he not.
they started filming on wolf hall season 2
I heard that Vic, welcome to the members area. Thanks 😊
given what a prayer book actually is, and given the life that Cromwell and all the others lived at that time I regard his possession and presumably use of such a thing as pure hypocrisy.
after all the only thing his religion prompted him to do was crimes, just like all the others
but then i am one of that unfortunate few who regard Christianity to be literally true and the bible to be literally the word of God, and the two - the bible, an the lives of all these Tudors, simply do not add up
so rather than the word of God be invalidated we must see the Tudors as hypocrites
Do you think that Cromwell would had the book of devotion in a painting if he didn't have some semblance of religious belief? Great point, thanks 😊
@@HistoryRoadshow some belief , yes, IMO, for atheism was extremely rare back in those days but loving his enemies did not come into it
for myself as an evangelical Protestant with charismatic leaning having a prayer book is in fact anathema, something i have never have and never will do
Lol the late fee part. What would that be in 500 years like 13,000 usd?
The mind boggles Sasha 🙈 Thanks for watching
wolsey was a devil too
Umm excuse me. You made a choice. WAY back then it was selfish. Am i wrong? U and all bout Henry.