How Jump Drives Dominate The Stellaris Meta
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- Опубліковано 17 січ 2025
- How Jump Drives Dominate The Stellaris Meta
How does this Simple Ability from Jump Drives break The Stellaris Meta? This Video will answer your question on How Jump Drives Dominate The Stellaris Meta
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Edited by @harinion
Co-Edited(Audio Mixing and Finalization) by Strat
#stellaris
5k likes and i'll actually upload more than once every 2 months (would be an interesting challenge)
Song List (in used order):
1. Game Over, You Win! - The Mean Greens Plastic Warfare
2. Tabletop Wars - The Mean Greens Plastic Warfare
3. Morning - Outer Wilds
4. Timber Hearth - Outer Wilds
5. Aria Math - Minecraft
6. Campfire Song - Outer Wilds
7. Razormind - Payday 2
8. BONUS Factorio Gameplay Trailer - Factorio
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@@Strategiser2 it's sad that the algorithm became hyper normalized from stealing from everyone. I would say it goes back to at least 1988 with the invention of neural networks being applied to the first military technology. But I know for a fact it goes back a lot longer than that and my best example for this is Operation paperclip. Of course it goes back even further than that and I'm definitely not sure we're ready to talk about that on UA-cam. So I'm hoping all the alphabet boys which is absolutely hilarious from my understanding of the federal system, because they're all three to four letter agencies, can absolutely shitcanned from all this regulation that is about to come within five years once the recorders get massive push back from the incredible managed equity industry within two. It's almost like we need the new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new federation because at this rate you keep setting the currency value to 0 and maybe the currency is the problem. Looking forward to see what happens especially with your platform. Add all these other platforms that no one could afford when they need to work 3 to 8 jobs to be able to put food on the table. Privatization is not the answer to any company that is too big to fail.
It does work really well however for any megacorp empire strategy and one thing trade especially if you are able to form a holy federation and then use trade to generate unity which is absolutely ridiculous and hilarious 😂 for all the absolutely wrong reasons that you would expect in Stellaris! At least if you do this you can rush for a nice big red button to create your own Galaxy with and nothing will be wrong in that one we're pretty sure.
I once was so oblivious that my friend crack my capital by jump driving into it. The best part is that my economy was fine so it took me 1hour to realise that my capital had change and that a planet is missing
Love stories like this.
I had a friend park a whole cloaked armada over my capital, the whole game... just to make a point.
Yet, to this day, I still forget to put down cloak detections and even normal listening posts.
If we ever got into a serious game with each other, I would lose hard....
My capital could never
It is the core of my forge
Forge capital with a 6k output of alloy in every play
“I think I forgot about something.”
“If you forgot then it wasn’t important.”
“Yeah, you’re right.”
The shattered ruins of your Capital World and the billions of people that were on it:
I wonder when Paradox will give us some way of system shielding from jumps.
Imagine: gateways also making it impossible to jump into the system. On one hand: nice defence, on the other: if you loose the controll of it, enemy will abuse the gateway.
if it can be similar to the Astral Planes DLC's "dimensional lock" where it can lock a wormhole/L-Gate
and instead this time, an entire system!!!! would be cool
Could be a rare tech for a starbase building which makes it act as a jump magnet, forcing all jumps to nearby allied systems to be redirected to that starbase instead.
@@lisoth4030 Your idea is actually better. Capture all jumping fleets two hyperlines down to one point that you can fortify. This would be a huge deal.
@@vainthatoneoverhere Exactly. So you can limit the amount of vulnerabilities to your infrastructure, while giving fortress enjoyers some hope. Then you can put gateways safely in adjacent systems with low risk of the enemy securing it with a single jump, etc...
Imo the enemy should be warned in advance on their UI when they order the jump - if they have the intel. If several such "magnets" are in range, priority would go to closest.
Might also have the effect of increasing the likelihood of a catapulted fleet appearing in such a system - but not too significantly, those catapults should never be predictable...
@@lisoth4030 if Paradox ever implements jumping warnings, I'm gonna do mass random jumps with clean corvettes as a form of psychological warfare.
Or use Quantum Catapults defensively, which HARD COUNTER jump sniping.
The fleet dispersal should be minimal, if felt at all when targeting your own space, and instead of a -50% malus to fire rate, you get a 33-50% BONUS to fire rate, tipping the scales wildly in your defensive favor. Also, no cooldown so you can use a jump drive to espcape or even push further, if you wanted to. If you have pulsars in your space, you should have that many catapults. Chain your catapult jumps together and in a matter of days you can send your ships safely from one side of your space to the other at practically zero risk of splitting them up.
THAT is true...
there is actually a trick to lower randomness in Catapult Warp Times while ALSO lowering it as a whole completely
simply keep your fleets either below 100 naval cap for absolute consistency and under 150 for "good enough" consistency
both will have exponentially lower Catapult Warp times compared to when going above 150
why? i have no clue
probably hard coded points where the maluses suddenly start hitting you like a truck
tho the "have Neutron Stars/Pulsars possibly chained close enough AND in your control" is very much RNG, you may not even have a conveniently placed Neutron Star/Pulsar(s) in the first place
this video made not wanting to touch that multiplayer button ever again
Same
Blessed with a new video from Strat before 2024 ends 🙏😌
the Ultimate Counter is just to never play Multpilayer as the AI is bad at this and if they actually DO a Jump Snipe, you can pause and think on how to stop it
Never saw an AI using jump drives for 400 hours lol, is it even a thing? GA player.
@@lexalexa3604 I think the Fallen Empires are the only ones I've ever seen use their Jump Drives now that I think about it
so the generic AI probably can use Jump Drives.... but they likely only use them if their fleet power is 400% or more over the target to compensate for the 50% lose of speed and weapons damage
@@lanteanboy Yeah I think only FEs (and crises) occasionally use it, never seen normal AI do it in 2000+ hours.
@@AnomalousCanid I wonder if it's possible part of the reason is because of the tech being classified as Rare and Dangerous thus making AI a LOT less likely to research it while players will almost always research it due to how useful it is and being stuck fighting a Crisis ANYWAYS means you dont care if its the Unbidden or something else
or just research jump drives
I remember back in old Stellaris where Jump drives were just one of the three ftl choices you had at gsme start.
ah the good ole days i miss those days
Nothing taught people the value of going where you want like playing with warp drives vs them using hyperlanes. It really, really taught lessons. Then you flip the script and inform them on why Hyperlanes have their own strengths. I get why they went away from multiple drives, but I think they should have just gone ahead and done a sequel at that point, it's a very fundimentally different game.
I wish we could have made that work, but it made wars ridiculous
Um, no. The Jump drive is an upgraded drive you get later. The OG drives are warp, wormhole, and hyperdrive.
@onyhow I was equating warp to jump drives in terms of being able to warp to star systems directly.
I know they aren't quite the same, but I more meant the idea of being able to go to any star system in range from the get go, rather than being restricted to however the Hyperlanes generated that game.
But I admit the poor choice of wording is on my end.
Gigastructures: maginot world + unyielding (iirc) = jump drives disabled for 2 systems connected to this maginot world star. Wish there was a vanilla version of thjs
in a DLC in 10 years...
One could argue that the alloy cost of the DPs is worth paying for, especially if your fleet capacity is overstacked anyways
of the what
@@StarHorder defense platforms'
stellaris multiplayer is about as approachable as a brick wall.
Nah it’s as approachable as wall o buzz saws
A new Strat upload for our new year?! How blessed we are!
What on Terra...This is diabolical. They should put Maginot Worlds into the game, or give defense platforms some more game-mechanical upsides.
This stuff is going to give me nightmares otherwise.
Defense platforms wreck fleets still feeling the effects of Jumping, you should have the max number of them at every station you own.
13:00 Stellaris is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.
I still want Mines!
If anything, you have proven their need even more now, by showing Jump Predictability.
So little does the computer use Jump Drives, that I didn't even realize you could predict those.
@@lostbutfreesoul the children yearn for the mines
It's even better if you can use Armageddon, or Kidnaping bombardment types
Fortified internal redoubts in economy-heavy systems: "Are we a joke to you?"
Also, Eternal vigilance: "You muse be truly desperate to come to me for help!"
They won't be able to collapse my economy by jumping into my systems...
*Builds Maginot Worlds in every other system*
If I collapse my own economy first!!!
*Subspace Nullification Field: Prevents the use of subspace based drives and weapons on the system. Upkeep: 1000 Energycredits per Maginot World*
I’ve won but at what cost?
I appreciate you writing in the subtitles!
Chronosphere finished construction.
Chronoshift ready to deploy.
Using it to kill enemy infantry😂Using it to harm a doggo🤬😡
Thank you, mr. Evrart. Very informative, even though I'm not have the opportunity to use it.
Number 15 burger king foot lettuce :
0:31 you know what else is massive?
LOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW TAPER FADE
MY MOOOOOM
I like the minecraft and factorio music in the background
what if instead of jump drives it was freak drives and instead of jump sniping it was freak sniping
Who gave Diddy a phone?
But the issue with freak drives is that they only go to the nearest kindergarten
what in the brainrot did i just read
How it feels to lock into Stellaris
Time to have some "jump drive on key location" fun while having some "cloaked fleet already waiting on a second key location" fun at the same time.
I love the gigastructures mod because it makes jump drives both far more terrifying around midgame if you arent prepared, and entirely useless just a bit later if youre a crackhead like me who drops enough maginots that every system you control is covered by anti-jump fields.
I assume this only really works if you have small teritories? Since large teritories means that the enemy cannot just jump into your core lands without having penetrated deeply already, and if they do jump in thes will get demolished by your fleets since suddenly they only deal half as much damage
i think partly. if you are small enough, your fleets can react quick enough/you can have fleets near enough to stop it.
this was life before mandatory hyperlanes.
The sudden Outerwilds music took me for a loop
Now it's a bit since i touched Nemesis, but the ultimate meme would be a Star-Eater with jump-drive.
Not as effettive as a litlle "anti-starbase" fleet with a Xeno army, but absolutely hilarious when you can pull it off with just the cube
3:45 is that “Timber Hearth” of the Outer Wilds soundtrack I hear?
yes. Getting flashbanged by Outer Wilds music once again...
aaand it's followed up by the main theme i think....
yes and no
i didn't use the main theme, Outer Wilds main theme is a VERY emotional piece that i would not DARE to use in this type of video...
a more emotional personal experience video with an emotional rollercoaster however...? (Soon)(aka in a lot of months)
Nah, I randomly started choking up before I realised what's playing. Morning is definitely up there as one of the most emotional tracks (it's Outer Wilds, obviously all the music is goated) but only if you know the context for it after finishing the game, so no spoilers :)
I can only pick up so much because I play on console, but honestly this helps a lot a makes sense. I knew that awakened empire was intentionally inconveniently placing their fleets in an attempt to exhaust my empire’s resources.
The messed up part is that I actually won that game but didn’t get the achievement because I wasn’t online.
One of my normal counter is to always have a rapid response fleet
Doing this with Gigastructural Engineering is so hilarious.
Your enemy is across the galaxy thinking they're safe from you but then BAM!
Fleet of attack moons all over their systems.
AKA the reason i abandon a game after getting unbidden crisis for the 400th time in a row
Laughs in 500k fleet power Bastions
I love jump sniping fallen empires, makes dealing with them so much easier.
The amount of times the enemy breaks and runs in this game:
Often I Jump right into the enemy fleet, forgetting honestly about power loss, and watch them break still.
But hit against a 'no retreat' policy and that 50% penalty is felt, even if you have superior defenses.
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thats why i play with mods, gigastructural engineering has fort structures that stop jump drives dead in their tracks.
And which ingame mechanic do they use to achieve that?
@TheArklyte the description said its something about space distortions, vanilla cites something simmilar when trying to warp into the L-cluster so its not like denying the ability to use the jump drive is something radically new
@@nihel3144 I asked which ingame mechanic gigastructures uses to block quantum catapult, sublight origins and jump drive. I don't recall gigastructures mod being able to block quantum catapult.
@TheArklyte i played it about 3 years ago, i dont remember, i think the mods predate quantum catapult so it could just be the case of mods getting outdated
@TheArklyte who hurt you
Jokes on them I build like a AI so nothing is centralized and I have Hypergates and Gate Ways all across my territory 😂
OUTER WILDS MUSIC?
Amazing video!!!!!
Happy New year
My GAWD! This is just BRÖKƏN😂😂😂
Amazing! Take my sub and bell!
Black Magic is scary...
What if the enemy also has heavily stacked starbases?
The AI WILL to do that to all of it's starbases over time...
No starbase is really capable of holding out against a deathstack fleet. But PD armies are in general just good enough to stall, especially if you get anti bombardment shields. This "OP" strat is pretty much countered by having several soldiers on your most important econimy defining planets.
@@ofgreyhairwaifu4089
Fleets that jumpdrive in are much weaker for a while. You can build your defences accordingly.
How long have jump drives had this exploit? I've played since the game released habitually and never ever realized you could queue orders to break the range like that... wow.
As a one way 'final ride'? I imagine it's worked that way for years, but throwing an entire fleet away to the other side of the galaxy was so rarely useful it never came up... until Astral Jump came.
it has been there since forever lol
basically since i started playing, never fixed
wowza what an innovative strat, can't wait till paradox introduces new content in 2.0 😔
nice music
I never once played a multiplayer game in 1650 hours of Stellaris. Maybe that was a good choice
If the enemy has jumpdrives then that means they're defenseless. Be the crab in the bucket. They take out your industry? Charge in and destroy theirs. Teach them the consequences for being cheeky.
real and basetrade pilled
These tactics definitely come a little too late to actually use. And then a lot of the other tactics are gated by expansions that weren't particularly popular for other reasons in terms of their overall valuation.
And then cloaking itself is kind of screwy with how detection goes across hyper Lanes.
I just hope that we can do a trade blockade the old-fashioned way. With pirates! And Bender!
Now if you excuse me you'll be dealing with my New horizons fantasies...
Like drinking out of a firehose.
Yo whats the song at 17:06?
Is it from Factorio? Whats it called?!?!?!?!?
"BONUS Factorio Gameplay Trailer - Factorio"
My noob ass watching my fleet jump driving each hyperlane because I shift clicked systems with ftl inhibitors and queue frickin ignore the fact that inhibitor is not a problem after capturing the station
just have a maginot world
What is the name of the instrumental song at the very end?
"BONUS Factorio Gameplay Trailer - Factorio"
i cant get the jump exploit to work (12:45) , it just doesnt do anything or deselects the jump. pretty unlikely to be fixxed just before the video uploaded, but when i click on the fleet, shift + rightclick and send somewhere in my country and then shift + jump somewhere out of range, it deselects with rightclick and doesnt do anything with leftclick :/
Yeah pretty unlikely that PDX are going to "fix" a bug so that it works again. What part of that explanation sounded like it was the game behaving as intended?
@@dangerface300 im pretty sure i didnt say that, "i cant get the JUMP EXPLOIT (...)" "(...) pretty unlikely to be FIXXED JUST BEFORE THE VIDEO UPLOADED" implying that its a bug, that i cant get it to work, but i also dont think it was patched out before the video uploaded. as far as i know he didnt say in the video that its already patched, also the description says "(...) is Breaking The Stellaris Meta (...)" implying its currently ingame, so i dont really know what you got wrong here.
the jump exploit works as long as you are technically IN range of a system when you made the order (unless you're misunderstanding something here, this Exploit has been here for forever and yes, has not been fixed still)
EX: you ORDER a fleet to move across the galaxy and THEN immediately hit SHIFT + right click a system nearby, BOOM, suddenly you can completely bypass Jump Range limitations
@@Strategiser2 ohhh, thank you! i completly misunderstood, i thought it broke the jump range in a way where you just jump anywhere, not just in the area from where the orders orginiated from. kinda like a precise quantom catapult instead of a technicly Hit and run tool. Thanks for reading your comments!
All perfectly balanced
Make vid on bio ships
they're kinda lame lmao
Bio ships are a whole new way to enjoy Stellaris, they are definitely worth doing a video on.
Step one: make bioships.
Step two: skimp on shields because the slots are shared with weapons
Step three: the enemy dismantles you with standard laser weapons because you're all hull
Step four: cope
What kind of sorcery is this?
never played pvp but still absolutely love the content, never really expected the strategy to go so deep in this game
Damn this is hilariously insane XD
Tbh i remembered you could select the point you jump to in the system view, 90% chance im schizo tho, ig that would be too OP?
i'm not sure
you're probably schizo BUT then again...i have not played the super early versions of the game much (1.0-1.9)
Xmas is saved
Your videos have great content, but I can't work with your cadence when you're reading the script.
I don't know if it's a personal quirk or an accent, but either way it makes it very difficult to watch.
Cheers.
@@Emanon...it's just indonesian accent
I was promised a Worbital video Strat.
NEVER!!!!
@@Strategiser2 You know you can't hide from Worbital forever Strat.
Outerwilds music spotted. +1000000
Or get mods that make stations good.
That's witchery!!!
I low key love the way Strat talks lmao
Why I always kicked from multi play game ?
I'm glad i didnt get an interest in multiplayer. Wouldnt want to deal with this
you should join tpot!
strat surpasses spiffing brit w these straight up hacks
as a console pleb im glad the mouse control hacks dont work but if they did or i was on pc id be auto banning anyone doing that bs
How do you design a good defense platform?
i'll make a video on that in the future...
@@Strategiser2 ♥
This is why you need defense platforms in bulk, they wreck ships being debuffed by Jumping.
Anti spiral
Please make videos in future for consoles in mind as well, thank you.
well, think of it like this
Console version is ALWAYS behind the PC version...so you could say my videos become Console Version guides in a few years by definition
hummana
Laughs in unbidden for researching jump drive and psi jump drive 🎉
only 2 views in 1 min, you fell off
Please leave this in 2024
Great content. Could you talk with less "down talk" (opposite of up-talk). I can't listen to your videos without falling into a murderous rage at every single sentence you utter. TL;DR Please just talk like a normal person.
Please stop holding your airways closed at the end of each sentence
Oh God, guess I'm gonna install a mod to disable jump drives as that's broken.
not hating your life enough to play Stellaris MP should solve it
@@trubacjakub3179 oh I do play MP but everyone in my lobby sucks at war compared to me and branded me the group crisis cause every game I'm literally the crisis on the map. I honestly think they'd do better if they play Sins of a solar empire 2 (would run better too) but they insist and then get lost when I pull out economy, ethic, ship design breakdowns for them. So I just make the rules to A keep me in check for them and B give them some safeguards.
@@theDemolisher13 Stellaris balance team is such a joke I would get bored the third time I would have to corvette spam/frigate torpedoes. in SP you are not affected by the joke that is Stellaris warfare. and you can jusst do whatever you want and its fun on hardest
Lord have mercy, why do you speak like that?
to be honest, I won't think for you the reason but your video now isn't interesting or fun anymore. enough for this, unsub!
I'm not really a fan of the way you talk. You deflate at the end of every sentence. Your videos are great otherwise.
i understand that nobody can choose thair voice, but u definitly can choose the way u speak. Its really irritating with your voice