@@lorddoomer7271 if you mean that he points the end of the shaft fowards, it's simple: he is making use of the full length of the polearm because from that position you can very quickly execute a strike from above. Because of this you can't really get closer without risking a strike. This also has the advantage of making it harder for the opponent do dislocate the polearm to get an advantage (can't shove it aside if it's not there) and it makes it harder for the enemy to correctly judge the length of the polearm thus potentially effectively increasing your range even more. If you hold a stick in your hand and rest it on your shoulder, theoretically you have just eliminated your range advantage, but in practice if anyone comes into striking distance of your stick, all you have to is strike with the stick and you have your range back. As for the second part....I'd say it depends what kind of fetish ninjato you have....
@@grapfen587 That end is also lighter and thus, due to how levers work, much more maneuverable. It can push someone else's weapon aside with ease, something top-heavy weapons typically struggle with, whilst moving itself into a strike so long as you follow through with the movement.
@@ebonslayer3321 Yeah you're already naturally in a position to make the strike wheras if you have the polearm extended forwards you'd have to pull it back, and then go for the hit which is more exhausting and takes longer. I'm just glad to see someone here make sense...I just finshed a discussion in another comment thread here where someone was saying that the armor design shown here would be advantageous in actual combat because you could move faster... they tried to sell me that when someone in full plate goes to grapple them they could just sidestep out of the way...
The part about the leg armor really being the exhausting part makes sense. When we look at older armor styles for infantry, we often see lightly or completely unarmored legs, both to reduce encumbrance and also because it's just mechanically harder to hit the legs. When making the tradeoff between endurance and protection, the legs seem like the most logical place to start.
@@AnonymousAnarchist2 Yep, you can survive without a leg, maybe even an arm. Kinda need that torso bit what with all its internal organs and such, though!
Weight on the legs being particularly exhausting is established science, as well, and I've heard figures of weight on the feet being as exhausting as six to ten times as much weight on the back. After all, your feet have to move roughly twice the distance and speed as your torso, and are also constantly changing direction, so a significant amount of the energy you spend getting your feet moving is wasted when you have to reverse their direction to prepare for the next step.
a hit to the leg could make you lose balance and fall in the battle then again, any hit to the leg strong enough to chop through bone or smash the bone to pieces can't be reasonably stopped by leg armour either
Skall interacting with other online social spheres is always the most entertaining damn thing. I still remember his reaction to Ironmouse seeing one of his videos.
@@Skallagrim yeah, and so many people go to stuff they dislike just for the purpose to complain about it. Guess they have nothing better to do with their time than complain about things on the internet.
@@Skallagrim I personally believe that if you want to have the power to tell who can or cannot look at your art, the first measure would be not to publish it online where anyone can access it, but that's just me.
The only real discrepancy is that it's a girl. Otherwise, quite the curious point. It does take years to learn how to fight properly, after all - it's so silly to see all these games where the character can just grab new weapons and suddenly have whole mastery of how to use them.
I do like Ironlily's artwork whether its badass realism, cute silliness, or sexy she does the balance pretty well in my opinion. As for asymmetrical armor I do have a picture of an 16th century Irish kern who is only armoring his left arm. It was also for them to carry a specialized left handed gauntlet to used almost like a buckler. I'll post the picture on your facebook.
Tbh, ironlily art is essentially anti horny art. It is so well done you want to look at for a long time and there miniture stories, and even the ones that more well endowed, you’ll hate yourself if start having naughty thoughts cus the ironlily castle army is so damn cute. Yeah, skirmishing and cattle raids promote extreme and medium to large shields can get annoying running around rough terrain
Regarding asymmetrical armor, a pet peeve of mine is people with one pauldron on the right side. Unless you're using a right-side-forward-only stance like a fencer, which the people in said games and artwork never do, the most important pauldron would be the _left_ one because right-handed opponents will strike that arm more often, especially with two-handed weapons. And even if you had a shield (which, again, they never do), that pauldron would still be more useful for stopping attacks that got over your shield since your shield side would be the one advanced toward the enemy.
@marshalmarrs3269women can have the most fucked up sexualities, men are just boring you would not believe how much of the severely fucked up anime 2 is penned by women
Weight on the legs is a big deal even if it's just a few ounces. I ran in cross country in Highschool and forgot my running shoes for practice one day. I had to run in my normal shoes which were steel toed boots. The difference was incredibly noticable.
If we're to believe 15th century iconography, it was extremely common for even very well armored infantry to leave lower legs completely exposed, probably for this very reason. On a horse, it's not a problem, as long as you don't have to dismount, and your legs are obviously somewhat exposed sitting still on horseback.
>normal shoes >steel toed boots Are you paranoid about things being dropped on your toes???? Why in god's name would you need steel toed boots for *normal* activities???? Do you want to be able to kick a golf ball sized dent into anybody you "normally" see?????
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 Can't speak for him but as a Mastet Electrician I spend a lot of time on construction sites. Spending up to 10 or 11 hours a day at times wearing steel toe boots just makes normal footwear feel weird. The sensation being akin to not wearing shoes.
@@RebelGiga hell, a lot of the ones that are just naked are naked because he based them on art from medieval manuals where the person in the diagrams is swingin' dong
@@RebelGigathey do have some nude artwork but as a pleasant surprise, a lot of their nude artwork is in casual enough in situation and presentation that it’s not really sexual. These pieces aren’t zoomed in or focusing on particular body parts, it’s just gals chillin or training, probably just wanting to not be weighted down or stuffy after a long day of wearing heavy gambeson and chainmail. The art feels more like a stylized realism piece or an anatomy study than a thirst trap.
@@RebelGiga Even if it was nude just to be nude, that's still okay. It's amazing to me how our culture is simultaneously super degenerate, with OnlyFans everywhere, but ALSO super prudish for no reason. Apparently it's fine for real women to be sexualized, but a drawing is going too far.
@@birubu yeah it gives that old art portfolio with nude drawings, the nudity isn't the focus of the drawing, the main focus is the accurate articulation of the human body in motion or in a certain position.
It will never stop being funny to me that people say "go to horny jail, BONK". As a Brit, bonk to me isn't the sound of someone getting hit. Its slang for sex. So sign me up for horny jail if I get bonked lol.
im not british, but its fuuny to because if you think about it you are sending a bunch of horny people to the same place, giving them what they wanted.
04:00 I think main reason why troops prefer body over limbs protection is because of large battles usually involves arrows. Medieval arrors usually left heads inside of wound. So, you technically can press an arrow and push it through limb to get rid of arrowhead, but not tjhrough body. Duellists usually protects only arms.
@@Qualab_owl You don't have to remove it in the middle of battle, but you do have to remove it at SOME point. And without modern surgical procedures that's really hard to do for a body hit.
The faces aren't really 'young', it's just a cutesy style. They're less childlike and more teddy-bear like. In anime artstyles body proportions are a much better indications of age than faces. (signed, an artist).
Another artist chiming in. With that simplified manga style face its nearly impossible to determine age of a face unless you see wrinkles. Even with some of the more realistically proportioned manga styles its still not easy. Those of us who were Robotech fans will remember Lisa Hayes. The way she was drawn she could be anywhere from 16 - 35 and you'd only know her age from the context of the story. Its worth remembering manga style is not designed to be hyper realistic, its designed to be expressive. Like you said, body proportion is a better indication, but, if they go full chibi on you, that goes out the window too. Basically the best way to know the age of a manga character is to read the manga or watch the anime. For instance, I couldn't give you an age estimate on 90% of the characters in say Naruto or Bleach without knowing the context of the story. Now if you were doing the same illustration in a "realistic" western style you could probably get some clues as to age from the details. But, in styles where details are lacking guessing age is perilous indeed.
Just a wholesome and cute reaction. From the point that Ironlily made fun of "sexy" armor, to Skal not finding any arguments, to Ironlily cutely hiding the painting.
Well I never thought I'd ever see Skall interact or know an artist I know but honestly that's great to see and it's funny to see Ironlily respond, I love their work on historical armour but you should check Centurii Chan aswell.
I think the best argument for the partial Gladiator armor is that a) they were supposed to get injured (at least a bit) because it increases the spectacle and b) those gladiators with partial armor usually had a large shield. There were heavily armored types but those usually went up against other heavy types, and yes, there are exceptions like the Retiarius that were lightly armored, but their whole deal was being agile and thus possibly defeating the much more heavily armored opponent. Therefore, in any scenario where a person has a large-ish shield, it's quite feasible that the shield side would be less heavily protected. For example, I could imagine an early medieval warrior wearing some kind of bracer (for example, byzantine cheiropsella) and (armored or not) glove on their weapon hand, but not on the shield hand. Depending on whether they've seen depictions of Roman soldiers (I mean, early to high imperial Roman - with segmentata armor) they could even get the idea to add some shoulder protection on one side, but not the other. Also, some lamellar armor had arm protection and it's logical to assume the same about scale armor as well. In late medieval armor, the opposite is true: as shields weren't necessary for full suits of plate armor, you can see the arm and shoulder plates on the left side of some sets being larger than the right side. This could of course also be a pure aesthetic choice, but if you're more likely to be hit on that side, larger (and possibly thicker) plates or double layers would help with that. Kind of like an integrated shield. If you apply this to an adventurer type, dropping parts of the armor and just going heavy on the area you're likely to take hits on - it's not terribly realistic, but it isn't entirely stupid either. I'd also like to say that I am no expert on medieval armor, least of all with anything from the late medieval period, because I mainly focus on early medieval stuff for my hobby. Hence the mention of byzantine armor, which would have been available and known to franks, baiuvars, alamannic, saxon and other european people as well. Thanks Skal for another entertaining, funny and at the same time informative video!
I would also add that unlike a battlefield soldier, Gladiators didn't have to worry that much about large formations/masses of people, or projectile weapons surrounding them. In a formation, your mobility to dodge is greatly reduced, so you better be able to tank hits, especially any random arrow coming your way. In the arena, there are usually no archers, few enemies, and you know that a blow is not going to kill most of the time, mostly incapacitate, so your best play is to ditch the vital armor for extra mobility, and protect the limbs which are going to be targeted the most to bring you down. After all, if one spear thrust to the heart could end a Gladiator on the spot, that wouldn't be much of a show, now would it?
@@vladstefan5216 Which does add up with the idea of an adventurer type person not wearing full armor - while adventuring, you'll hardly ever fight in tight formation against large groups of opponents, and if you do get in such a situation, you'll propably have time to prepare and put more gear on.
Gladiator battles rarely ever ended in death. Most battles were choreographed to reduce injury in the fighters, and weapons of choice included things like nets. We usually only see gladiator deaths when they were deemed too unprofitable to continue to support, meaning it was the equivalent to a wrestler contract expiring or being fired. After all, slaves weren't exactly cheap to buy and train, so actual factual death wasn't the goal, the spectacle of a fight wss the goal. Doesn't mean that Romans didn't participate in bloodsport, the way that the assassin who helped put Nero into power was killed is particularly brutal. I don't even know how they trained a giraffe to do that.
Gladiators were not just fighters but also entertainers. Some classes were deliberately low armored for the spectacle. Or who else would think sending a guy in loincloth with a single armguard, a net and a trident against a guy with a big shield, helmet and sword (but the helmet having only very tiny eyeholes) Different classes being different just makes it more interesting.
@@fluidthought42this is true. It was effectively the proto-WWE but with weapons. Gladiators were also superstars. They would get recognized by fans in public just like The Undertaker would. You could say that they put on such an amazing show that, all these years later, most people still think it was 100% real haha.
@@hanelyp1 True, but historically that has always been fear, not sexiness. The only people claiming an opponent would be distracted by sexy armor are the writers of early _Red Sonja_ comics. Even later _Red Sonja_ writers called BS on that, saying that if an opposing fighter is so mentally weak they get distracted by T&A, they're not much of a threat even when not distracted.
Depends on what you consider cool and sexy, though. I find the tin tyrant full body plate armor to be extremely cool, and as long as the armor accentuates the female curves, it's still sexy even if it covers everything.
What's make Ironlily's art great, is that he know how armour are to be wear, and how they work, and even the skippy and silly design work. There is gambeson under the armour, but it's also tied up to the belt on the character's hips. A great artist to follow.
Anyone who has been to real war has stared into the face of a fellow soldier you wouldn't guess is our of high school yet. The nature of war is that the old send the young to die... the young faces actually probably are more historically accurate.
for the sake of the algorithm: consider asymmetric weapons and hot climate. If an average attacker is most likely to have shorter weapons you could basically get away with gloves and polearm. Ditching everything else to prevent overheating, keeping legs to fend off local flora\fauna.. Makes sense)
The threat of being hit by arrows has always outweighed the inclination to wear less armour due to hot conditions. I urge you to look at sub Saharan African armours, and Indian armours.
@@rileyernst9086 They're still wearing less armour then an European Knight. And what armour they're wearing is still thinner , more flexible , and composed of more breathable fabric than said European Knight.
@@rileyernst9086 Absolutely. On the battlefield whatever armor you can get is crucial, unless you straight up expire from heat exhaustion. Neat thing about shields.
This probably also applies to extremely cold climates. How much are you wearing already to keep warm? I still remember how much I wore as a lumberjack working above 9000ft(2743.2m) in waist deep snow.@@Skallagrim
As someone trying to start a career in digital painting, I'm glad that people from different communities are standing up for each other in these (unpleasant times). Ironlily is a really talented artist and her response to you made me laugh out loud🤣🤣🤣 Good luck and thank you very much for your content)))
Bro, TYSM for this curious interaction with Ironlily (that's a metal name, tryna not make a pun, but...)!!! Though you mentioned asymmetrical armor as weird, etc. it does appear to have some practicality to it: at the human top shelf anatomy, off hand side is armored for cqd (close quarters defense) & general blindside protection (plus back armor. Usually. Anyways...), while less armor is present for the on hand side for cqo (you guessed it, close-quarters offense) mobility; lower body you might have more equalization of armoring, but the emphasis points are reversed to a degree. So sedentary or nomadic warrior &/or barbarian tribes have a pretty good idea to do all of this bc of warrior intertribal tensions possibly nosediving to the 9th circle of frozen assed hell.
The art was cool, the reply funny but I really love the in depth way the topic was handled, a crazy amount of food for thought that all started from a single image guess that's art for you. Loved it great video
You interacting with Ironlily is something I never knew I needed XD Another fun in is that i saw another of those pics with three of Ironlily's chars missing chest plates in the stereotpyical bikini armoir style - all while in one corner there's a human silhouette with dots on its limbs in reference to the survivorship bias chart
The survivorship bias chart is the first thing I thought of when I saw this. "So we're seeing that soldiers returning from battle are mostly taking wounds to the arms and legs..."
That interaction between you and Lilly was so adorable and wholesome and hopefully we'll see more like it. Also not gonna lie, the best fantasy armor system i've seen in any form of media was in The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind, where you could wear a shirt and pants under your armor which consisted of boots, greaves/leg armor, a chest piece, two gauntlets which you could mix and match, two shoulders which you could also mix and match, and a helmet but after all of that you could also wear a robe over your armor too. Plus some of Morrowinds' armor designs are easily some of my favorites in the entire Elder Scrolls series.
Have you played Kingdom Come Deliverance? That uses a similar system to Morrowind where you have layers of clothing and armour. I don't think it goes quite as far as Morrowind though. Iirc, KCD just has head armour, shirt, chest armour, surcoat, legs, leg armour, footwear, gloves / gauntlets and jewelry. I don't think you can mix and match handwear and footwear either.
If you like to remind yourself of how far we've fallen. Hey, at least it looks nice. (Edit: This isn't ironic. I admire the pencil even if I can not the substance. There are a lot of very skilled artists out there. Even if they draw questionable or even vile content I won't say it's not skillful. It should be fine that I'm not happy and grumble about the culture. If everything you loved was destroyed you'd also grumble on the internet like me. Oh wait, you do don't you?)
@@culturalliberator9425 i know right? we need to restore the glorious culture of the past where i would be able to marry children. never forget what (((((((((((((they)))))))))))))) took from you.
It doesn't surprise me, but it IS a relief to learn Skall is on artists' side on the whole industrialized art theft thing. Having been away from the "medieval history meets fantasy" part of UA-cam for a while now, that relief is very very welcome considering the route that... The Other Guy of this part of UA-cam... went.
That intro was so great, you’ve been my favorite swords-and-all-things-related UA-camr for forever and hearing you rally with artists is amazing, thank you 💖
I've been following Ironlily for a long while on Tumblr, always loved how realistic her armour depictions are! Awesome to see her getting some interaction with the HEMA(-adjacent) community (whom I've been following for longer and were the reason I came across Ironlily in the first place)!
Great little video, Skall, thank you! :) I've been trying to come up with a cool but also practical look for a female dwarven warrior, wielding a halberd and a crossbow. It's for a story, but I still try and draw up a design if only to visualize her for myself. I'm not into "sexy art", but Ironlily's "Lucern" warrior and "Sister-at-arms" are both going to be very helpful in finalizing my design process. The built of the women they draw is pretty damn close to what I imagine a fierce dwarven woman to look like. I really appreciate you both - so thank you :)
@@HappyBeezerStudios The former. And yeah, sure, armor can be bulky. But I'm trying to choose bulky armor, if just to fortify a dwarven warriors stout silhouette. And the women shouldn't be an exception in my book (literally). A thick padded overcoat, a gambeson is just one step to emphasize what I imagine when I picture dwarven physique. I just love that concept of the ironclad dwarven defender archetype - but I really want to give her a halberd :)
That bell curve soyjack meme fits this so wonderfully. Reactions to partial armor in art: Idiot: "Wow, that's really cool!" Know-it-all: "Umm aktually that's completely unrealistic and would never work..." Skallagrim: "Wow, that's really cool!"
The point you made about backpacks reminded me of they way I chose to transport a kayak. I put it on a trolley, and then hooked one end of the kayak to a climbing harness around my waist. That way, I could just casually walk with it following behind me. Then it was just a matter of keeping a hand on the handle to keep it from bouncing from side to side as I walked.
Funniest fucking reaction I've seen from Twitter. God, it's actually pretty fun, when Twitter is not actively trying to be the worst thing ever. Still ain't going to actively participate in that godless place though, despite how absolutely unhinged I am. That shit takes a piece of your soul every time you dive deep into it, I swear.
I kinda have to, got perma'd off of Reddit (another godless place, I was too based for it) so I have to get my bimonthly fix of arguing with idiots. The only benefit of both is that I can get my degeneracy fix without going to mainstream companies.
Ironlilys definitely a huge inspiration when it comes to any sort of realism/fantasy art. I love how their style is deceptively detailed and so well shaded and painted for how simple it actually looks.
It is getting to the point wear small and Clara might adopt ironmouse and ironlily as online children then well out of nowhere that skall and Clara will be having a child together.
Ironlily makes the best wholesome art, together with Diva's "Little nuns". I would love to have a mod for Crusader Kings that put her Ordo Mediare all-female military order in Brittany during the 100-years war.
Been following Ironlily for a while now. Gotta admit I was surprised to see your comment myself! Fun video, and thoroughly enjoyed this very wholesome interaction
@@leonhard.doerflinger Yeah, it is flipping wierd Shadiversity recognizes the dangers of AR and VR yet doesn't recognize AI generated art as a tool for vast art theft and plagiarism machine and as a tool to make people things happen that didn't.
Yep. Though I suspect this type of art AI won't last all that long. Sooner or later it will be used to make porn of a celebrity or of someone's kid and it will be sued into extinction.
@@Wastelandman7000 sadly that's already happened a lot, and nothing happened yet. our current economic system incentivizes its existence, so its going to remain until it gets illegalized
Insightful, beautiful, I love their art!! What if the flashing between the swings is intentional?? Hmm? Mid swing distraction spell! Catching an opponent off guard is invaluable!!
Ironlilly is one artist that shows armor can be drawn accurately and look good on female body. Anime style face is always look young. It's cultural at this point. In comparison, American art always have either flat face like cartoon or look old otherwise. It's just how ppl draw ppl
I’ve always been a fan of Lily’s art as well as your channel but seeing you two interact was an absolute gem Not me waiting for a Centurii interaction lmao
Recently played Kenshi. Quite an amount of cool armor concepts there. Played as martial artist with augmented arms and legs + good helmet, with minimum armor on torso. Guess when most of my defeats started? With character being gutted into stomach with the rest of body mostly unharmed.
I like the flavorful descriptions in Kenshi like how Heart Protectors are SUPPOSED to be worn over padding or chainmail but you see Dust Bandits who wear it over their bare chests because shirts are expensive, and I remember reading somewhere ingame that some people prefer wearing wooden sandals instead of armored boots to be more mobile
@@ham_the_spam4423 Another funny armor in Kenshi is the Assassin's Rag, which is described as being very poor armor, but the opening is supposed to make your attacker more predictable. It gives dodge bonus for being light, but then both the stats and gameplay disagree with it helping its user: It lowers Melee Defense, making it more difficult to parry, and also poorly protect your chest and stomach which are the two biggest targets in combat (and thus more likely to be hit).
0:58 I feel Skallgrim's pain. Every man reaches a point were all those 18 year old's that look so mature when you were a kid start looking like daughters. And not hot farmer's daughters. Just... daughters.
For real, I used to drive by a high school, and the kids looked like Middle Schoolers. Lol. And now even women in their 20s look like kids to me. (Act like kids too. :D)
As someone who grew up in asia and now living in america I have the problem in reverse, non-asian highschoolers tend to look like they are in their 20s to me and even some middle schooler looks like adults. And me myself as a 35 year old asian man is constantly getting mistaken by people as a highschooler.
@@None38389 I saw a UA-camr talking about growing up tall in Japan (he was apparently 180 cm by the time he was 13 and grew even taller later). At his elementary school graduation he was mistaken for one of the teacher's aids.
This gives me a topic idea: is wearing a single gauntlet better on your sword hand or your offhand? Parrying gauntlets existed and were popular for exemple in Ireland, but using a gauntlet on your main hand is also known. Might be an interesting topic
That would largely depend on your sword of choice IMO - as if its guard is of very limited protection the hand you are exposing most really needs all the help it can get. But if the guard of your sword is really good a gauntlet might even actively get in the way of using the sword. So I'd suggest there is a cross over point where you probably just want two gauntlets, but would be able to justify either hand.
If theyre using a blade, simply having plate mail means their cuts or stabs likely weren't going to do much anyway. Even if you can predict where they will attack, the added vulnerability is a bigger drawback than just being invincible everywhere. If they're using a blunt weapon designed to beat armor, like a hammer, it doesn't really matter where they hit you. Any powerful strike is going to kill or cripple regardless.
Although you're always entering an additional layer of skill contest doing that. There are enough cases of people during training and whatnot trying to trick someone just to be too slow/clumsy to actually get something out of it or even get hit.
Well, don't expect someone to act respectfully or honourable just because they call themselves a knight. Not even if their younger brother creates actual art for a living.
I have such respect for you crediting her work and acknowledging the age of art theft. You've been one of my favorite medieval accuracy channels for years.
because that is the arm that is towards your opponent. And even if you have more armor, the left side comes first. Your shieldarm is there to take the blows and your swordarm stays mobile to hit from all angles.
Ironlily really made the whole "now draw her in fully functional medieval plate armour" an entire thing.
Mad respect.
Now draw her being protected.
@@lorddoomer7271 if you mean that he points the end of the shaft fowards, it's simple: he is making use of the full length of the polearm because from that position you can very quickly execute a strike from above. Because of this you can't really get closer without risking a strike. This also has the advantage of making it harder for the opponent do dislocate the polearm to get an advantage (can't shove it aside if it's not there) and it makes it harder for the enemy to correctly judge the length of the polearm thus potentially effectively increasing your range even more. If you hold a stick in your hand and rest it on your shoulder, theoretically you have just eliminated your range advantage, but in practice if anyone comes into striking distance of your stick, all you have to is strike with the stick and you have your range back. As for the second part....I'd say it depends what kind of fetish ninjato you have....
honestly.... i love both since afterall, its fun to imagine whats not shown just as much as it is to see it! ;D
@@grapfen587 That end is also lighter and thus, due to how levers work, much more maneuverable. It can push someone else's weapon aside with ease, something top-heavy weapons typically struggle with, whilst moving itself into a strike so long as you follow through with the movement.
@@ebonslayer3321 Yeah you're already naturally in a position to make the strike wheras if you have the polearm extended forwards you'd have to pull it back, and then go for the hit which is more exhausting and takes longer. I'm just glad to see someone here make sense...I just finshed a discussion in another comment thread here where someone was saying that the armor design shown here would be advantageous in actual combat because you could move faster... they tried to sell me that when someone in full plate goes to grapple them they could just sidestep out of the way...
The part about the leg armor really being the exhausting part makes sense. When we look at older armor styles for infantry, we often see lightly or completely unarmored legs, both to reduce encumbrance and also because it's just mechanically harder to hit the legs. When making the tradeoff between endurance and protection, the legs seem like the most logical place to start.
Bonus points for lower legs being sort of replacable.
@@AnonymousAnarchist2 Yep, you can survive without a leg, maybe even an arm.
Kinda need that torso bit what with all its internal organs and such, though!
Weight on the legs being particularly exhausting is established science, as well, and I've heard figures of weight on the feet being as exhausting as six to ten times as much weight on the back. After all, your feet have to move roughly twice the distance and speed as your torso, and are also constantly changing direction, so a significant amount of the energy you spend getting your feet moving is wasted when you have to reverse their direction to prepare for the next step.
Also legs are pretty hardy things themselves, save for the inner thigh where the femoral artery is.
a hit to the leg could make you lose balance and fall in the battle
then again, any hit to the leg strong enough to chop through bone or smash the bone to pieces can't be reasonably stopped by leg armour either
Seeing you and ironlily interacting on twitter was one of the most unexpectedly weird experiences I've ever had, glad it's turned into a video
There is another video of Skall having interactions with vtubers, absurdly funny 😂
@@MauricioOsuna-et8etlink to the interaction, please?
@@MauricioOsuna-et8etthe f
Heh!!!935 likes.
Skall interacting with other online social spheres is always the most entertaining damn thing. I still remember his reaction to Ironmouse seeing one of his videos.
"If it's not my thing, I don't have to look at it."
Thank you!
No idea why that's such a hard concept on the internet, but apparently it is.
@@Skallagrim yeah, and so many people go to stuff they dislike just for the purpose to complain about it. Guess they have nothing better to do with their time than complain about things on the internet.
@@Skallagrim so it's the same thing with AI created art, right?
@@felipex6793 If the AI was "trained" on ethically sourced material, yes. Unfortunately most aren't.
@@Skallagrim I personally believe that if you want to have the power to tell who can or cannot look at your art, the first measure would be not to publish it online where anyone can access it, but that's just me.
1:38
"They look awfully young"
Meanwhile the avarage medieval squire that was 14 years old:
"I am a joke to you?"
meanwhile the 12 year old Serfs at the Local Noblemans Mansion: Boss I am tired.
"The age of industrialized art theft" hit like a ton of bricks, hard to swallow, that's why I go back to traditional art
Lmffffffffao
The only real discrepancy is that it's a girl. Otherwise, quite the curious point. It does take years to learn how to fight properly, after all - it's so silly to see all these games where the character can just grab new weapons and suddenly have whole mastery of how to use them.
@@MauricioOsuna-et8et
I mean, also the part where she's partially naked.
I do like Ironlily's artwork whether its badass realism, cute silliness, or sexy she does the balance pretty well in my opinion. As for asymmetrical armor I do have a picture of an 16th century Irish kern who is only armoring his left arm. It was also for them to carry a specialized left handed gauntlet to used almost like a buckler. I'll post the picture on your facebook.
Irish being poor moment.
'he'
Tbh, ironlily art is essentially anti horny art. It is so well done you want to look at for a long time and there miniture stories, and even the ones that more well endowed, you’ll hate yourself if start having naughty thoughts cus the ironlily castle army is so damn cute. Yeah, skirmishing and cattle raids promote extreme and medium to large shields can get annoying running around rough terrain
Iron Lily isn't "she". Iron Lily is a Taiwanese man in Taizhong (Taiwan).
Regarding asymmetrical armor, a pet peeve of mine is people with one pauldron on the right side. Unless you're using a right-side-forward-only stance like a fencer, which the people in said games and artwork never do, the most important pauldron would be the _left_ one because right-handed opponents will strike that arm more often, especially with two-handed weapons. And even if you had a shield (which, again, they never do), that pauldron would still be more useful for stopping attacks that got over your shield since your shield side would be the one advanced toward the enemy.
A youtuber actually giving credit to an artist and not bashing them for nitpicked reasons?
Skall, you're not only a knight, but also a true gentleman
in now way he acted like a gentleman in this video lol.
his very first gif reaction on twitter was toxic and disrespectful
@@userofusers5787 nice bait comment
@@userofusers5787googoogaga
@@userofusers5787 Spoken like a true Twitter warrior.
@@userofusers5787 ... let me present to you this novel concept called "joke"
Ironlily, Centuri-chan and several others manage to make a strangely endearing blend of realistic, fantasy, funny and adorable art.
You mean they ruin what could be perfect art with eastern pedoslop
@marshalmarrs3269women can have the most fucked up sexualities, men are just boring
you would not believe how much of the severely fucked up anime 2 is penned by women
Centuri-chan is awful tbh. Repetitive style and the refusal to draw men speaks to their artistic lack of ability
@@tenanaciouz
Yikes
Bug-eyed jap art = big garbo energy
Weight on the legs is a big deal even if it's just a few ounces. I ran in cross country in Highschool and forgot my running shoes for practice one day. I had to run in my normal shoes which were steel toed boots. The difference was incredibly noticable.
If we're to believe 15th century iconography, it was extremely common for even very well armored infantry to leave lower legs completely exposed, probably for this very reason.
On a horse, it's not a problem, as long as you don't have to dismount, and your legs are obviously somewhat exposed sitting still on horseback.
I hate even wearing 2 layers of clothing on my legs, no matter how cold it gets. Makes me feel slow and awkward.
>normal shoes
>steel toed boots
Are you paranoid about things being dropped on your toes???? Why in god's name would you need steel toed boots for *normal* activities???? Do you want to be able to kick a golf ball sized dent into anybody you "normally" see?????
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 Can't speak for him but as a Mastet Electrician I spend a lot of time on construction sites.
Spending up to 10 or 11 hours a day at times wearing steel toe boots just makes normal footwear feel weird. The sensation being akin to not wearing shoes.
@@clothar23 I kinda get it in this context, but bro was in *highschool*
Congratulations you found Iron Lily do Art of Gambarin next I wanna know what you think of her style.
Iron Lily isn't "her". Iron Lily is a Taiwanese man in Taizhong (Taiwan).
@@veritasetcaritasi think he meant gambarin
Cool style indeed.
Gambarin draws cool warriors!
The Google translate says "Draw draws cool warriors!" @@SageSegsPaths
I really love ironlily’s art and they always seem super chill
The art isn't nude to be nude either. It's genuinely cool how they model the cute characters and pose them. And God the weapons 😩❤
@@RebelGiga hell, a lot of the ones that are just naked are naked because he based them on art from medieval manuals where the person in the diagrams is swingin' dong
@@RebelGigathey do have some nude artwork but as a pleasant surprise, a lot of their nude artwork is in casual enough in situation and presentation that it’s not really sexual. These pieces aren’t zoomed in or focusing on particular body parts, it’s just gals chillin or training, probably just wanting to not be weighted down or stuffy after a long day of wearing heavy gambeson and chainmail. The art feels more like a stylized realism piece or an anatomy study than a thirst trap.
@@RebelGiga Even if it was nude just to be nude, that's still okay. It's amazing to me how our culture is simultaneously super degenerate, with OnlyFans everywhere, but ALSO super prudish for no reason. Apparently it's fine for real women to be sexualized, but a drawing is going too far.
@@birubu yeah it gives that old art portfolio with nude drawings, the nudity isn't the focus of the drawing, the main focus is the accurate articulation of the human body in motion or in a certain position.
It will never stop being funny to me that people say "go to horny jail, BONK". As a Brit, bonk to me isn't the sound of someone getting hit. Its slang for sex.
So sign me up for horny jail if I get bonked lol.
Plot twist: horny jail isn't a place where people are sent for being horny, but a place where horny is a main characteristic.
You also need to consider who would populate horny jail.
The duality of slang
Got caught for bonking, sent to place for more bonking. Sounds great to me!
im not british, but its fuuny to because if you think about it you are sending a bunch of horny people to the same place, giving them what they wanted.
The artist seems cool and i like how its historical armor
Ah, the Ordo Mediare! The whole concept deserves an anime series.
It does, yeah.
Welp.
Never expected Skall to unleash an entire new favorite artist onto me, but I'll take it.
Ironlily's art is wonderful!
04:00 I think main reason why troops prefer body over limbs protection is because of large battles usually involves arrows. Medieval arrors usually left heads inside of wound.
So, you technically can press an arrow and push it through limb to get rid of arrowhead, but not tjhrough body.
Duellists usually protects only arms.
why would you want to take the arrowhead off in the battlefiled????/
@@Qualab_owl You don't have to remove it in the middle of battle, but you do have to remove it at SOME point. And without modern surgical procedures that's really hard to do for a body hit.
@@Qualab_owl You wouldn't, since you would probably bleed to death. But the same logic can be applied after the battle ends.
YES. This was my first thought when it came to the lack of body armor...
A bunch of short bows releasing sheets of arrows regularly.
The faces aren't really 'young', it's just a cutesy style. They're less childlike and more teddy-bear like. In anime artstyles body proportions are a much better indications of age than faces. (signed, an artist).
Faces are cats with human flesh
Agree! And as long as the bewbs are there you know she can't be prepubescent (and years of age doesn't even exist in drawings as far as I'm concerned)
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 Yeah, the farther along you go into wanting to achieve cutness, the more you model faces after kittens, puppies, and babies.
Another artist chiming in. With that simplified manga style face its nearly impossible to determine age of a face unless you see wrinkles. Even with some of the more realistically proportioned manga styles its still not easy. Those of us who were Robotech fans will remember Lisa Hayes. The way she was drawn she could be anywhere from 16 - 35 and you'd only know her age from the context of the story. Its worth remembering manga style is not designed to be hyper realistic, its designed to be expressive.
Like you said, body proportion is a better indication, but, if they go full chibi on you, that goes out the window too. Basically the best way to know the age of a manga character is to read the manga or watch the anime. For instance, I couldn't give you an age estimate on 90% of the characters in say Naruto or Bleach without knowing the context of the story.
Now if you were doing the same illustration in a "realistic" western style you could probably get some clues as to age from the details. But, in styles where details are lacking guessing age is perilous indeed.
@@PJDAltamirus0425 Mostly kittens. Human babies can be very awkward and derpy. Kittens are always cute.
Whne you showed their response to your reaction to the original post, I had to paise the video I was laughing so much.
Just a wholesome and cute reaction.
From the point that Ironlily made fun of "sexy" armor, to Skal not finding any arguments, to Ironlily cutely hiding the painting.
Well I never thought I'd ever see Skall interact or know an artist I know but honestly that's great to see and it's funny to see Ironlily respond, I love their work on historical armour but you should check Centurii Chan aswell.
Was just about to say the same thing, love centurii's work and heard about ironlily recently, great stuff all around.
Well, Centurii alternates between fun and facts and a lesbian sex/romance so.... he would have harder time making videos out of it.
@@PJDAltamirus0425 Well obviously I wouldn't mean for him to make a vid on her art I just meant as to check her work is all.
Yes, we absolutely need an analysis of Gyaru-Landsknechts and their cod pieces.
He had a run in with Ironmouse too, if I'm not mistaken.
I think the best argument for the partial Gladiator armor is that a) they were supposed to get injured (at least a bit) because it increases the spectacle and b) those gladiators with partial armor usually had a large shield. There were heavily armored types but those usually went up against other heavy types, and yes, there are exceptions like the Retiarius that were lightly armored, but their whole deal was being agile and thus possibly defeating the much more heavily armored opponent.
Therefore, in any scenario where a person has a large-ish shield, it's quite feasible that the shield side would be less heavily protected. For example, I could imagine an early medieval warrior wearing some kind of bracer (for example, byzantine cheiropsella) and (armored or not) glove on their weapon hand, but not on the shield hand. Depending on whether they've seen depictions of Roman soldiers (I mean, early to high imperial Roman - with segmentata armor) they could even get the idea to add some shoulder protection on one side, but not the other. Also, some lamellar armor had arm protection and it's logical to assume the same about scale armor as well.
In late medieval armor, the opposite is true: as shields weren't necessary for full suits of plate armor, you can see the arm and shoulder plates on the left side of some sets being larger than the right side. This could of course also be a pure aesthetic choice, but if you're more likely to be hit on that side, larger (and possibly thicker) plates or double layers would help with that. Kind of like an integrated shield. If you apply this to an adventurer type, dropping parts of the armor and just going heavy on the area you're likely to take hits on - it's not terribly realistic, but it isn't entirely stupid either.
I'd also like to say that I am no expert on medieval armor, least of all with anything from the late medieval period, because I mainly focus on early medieval stuff for my hobby. Hence the mention of byzantine armor, which would have been available and known to franks, baiuvars, alamannic, saxon and other european people as well.
Thanks Skal for another entertaining, funny and at the same time informative video!
I would also add that unlike a battlefield soldier, Gladiators didn't have to worry that much about large formations/masses of people, or projectile weapons surrounding them.
In a formation, your mobility to dodge is greatly reduced, so you better be able to tank hits, especially any random arrow coming your way. In the arena, there are usually no archers, few enemies, and you know that a blow is not going to kill most of the time, mostly incapacitate, so your best play is to ditch the vital armor for extra mobility, and protect the limbs which are going to be targeted the most to bring you down.
After all, if one spear thrust to the heart could end a Gladiator on the spot, that wouldn't be much of a show, now would it?
@@vladstefan5216 Which does add up with the idea of an adventurer type person not wearing full armor - while adventuring, you'll hardly ever fight in tight formation against large groups of opponents, and if you do get in such a situation, you'll propably have time to prepare and put more gear on.
Gladiator battles rarely ever ended in death. Most battles were choreographed to reduce injury in the fighters, and weapons of choice included things like nets. We usually only see gladiator deaths when they were deemed too unprofitable to continue to support, meaning it was the equivalent to a wrestler contract expiring or being fired.
After all, slaves weren't exactly cheap to buy and train, so actual factual death wasn't the goal, the spectacle of a fight wss the goal. Doesn't mean that Romans didn't participate in bloodsport, the way that the assassin who helped put Nero into power was killed is particularly brutal. I don't even know how they trained a giraffe to do that.
Gladiators were not just fighters but also entertainers. Some classes were deliberately low armored for the spectacle. Or who else would think sending a guy in loincloth with a single armguard, a net and a trident against a guy with a big shield, helmet and sword (but the helmet having only very tiny eyeholes)
Different classes being different just makes it more interesting.
@@fluidthought42this is true. It was effectively the proto-WWE but with weapons. Gladiators were also superstars. They would get recognized by fans in public just like The Undertaker would.
You could say that they put on such an amazing show that, all these years later, most people still think it was 100% real haha.
If your armor is cool or sexy it better be highly rated in plot armor.
Plot armor is the armor of the gods! LOL
Personal Lightweight Omnidirectional Tactical armor.
Sometime armor has features for psychological effect on the opponent.
@@hanelyp1 True, but historically that has always been fear, not sexiness. The only people claiming an opponent would be distracted by sexy armor are the writers of early _Red Sonja_ comics. Even later _Red Sonja_ writers called BS on that, saying that if an opposing fighter is so mentally weak they get distracted by T&A, they're not much of a threat even when not distracted.
Depends on what you consider cool and sexy, though. I find the tin tyrant full body plate armor to be extremely cool, and as long as the armor accentuates the female curves, it's still sexy even if it covers everything.
7:51 I love the image of Skallagrim, the Grim Reaper, telling me that they ditch the armor "because its sexy" with a smug look on his face.
One of my favorite artist is Ironlily. Soo happy to see this inter action : )
Thank you for standing up for artists! Also, I can't believe there wasn't a single "wear protection" joke haha.
he does not stand for artists, just spreads fake news and posts toxic comments on artists he does not understand.
@@userofusers5787googoogaga
Moe Knights here to overthrow your Kingdom and look cute while doing so
I for one welcome our sensibly armoured Moe Over Ladies.
Now if I could only convince the Space Wolves cutlery is a thing....or at least plates.
Why have cutlery when you have claws? They would just need spoons and maybe gloves and/ wash clothes.
@@clothar23the only thing I could hear is wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf
@@PJDAltamirus0425 *Exasperated Sigh*
" This exactly why I can not take you Furry cosplayers seriously. "
@@HappyBeezerStudios You have no idea . Almost makes me feel sorry for Magnus ya know.
What's make Ironlily's art great, is that he know how armour are to be wear, and how they work, and even the skippy and silly design work. There is gambeson under the armour, but it's also tied up to the belt on the character's hips. A great artist to follow.
That is such a fun interaction, I'm already following Ironlily on Twitter, and I'm glad you did a video about this.
Anyone who has been to real war has stared into the face of a fellow soldier you wouldn't guess is our of high school yet. The nature of war is that the old send the young to die... the young faces actually probably are more historically accurate.
Ironlily's stuff is absolutely incredible.
It was the most out of nowhere interaction and it was amazing to see my fav UA-camr and one of my fav artists meet!
for the sake of the algorithm:
consider asymmetric weapons and hot climate. If an average attacker is most likely to have shorter weapons you could basically get away with gloves and polearm. Ditching everything else to prevent overheating, keeping legs to fend off local flora\fauna.. Makes sense)
Yup, I mentioned overheating. Gambesons are hot.
The threat of being hit by arrows has always outweighed the inclination to wear less armour due to hot conditions. I urge you to look at sub Saharan African armours, and Indian armours.
@@rileyernst9086 They're still wearing less armour then an European Knight. And what armour they're wearing is still thinner , more flexible , and composed of more breathable fabric than said European Knight.
@@rileyernst9086 Absolutely. On the battlefield whatever armor you can get is crucial, unless you straight up expire from heat exhaustion. Neat thing about shields.
This probably also applies to extremely cold climates. How much are you wearing already to keep warm? I still remember how much I wore as a lumberjack working above 9000ft(2743.2m) in waist deep snow.@@Skallagrim
This is so unbelievably wholesome and I love seeing this kind of collab between the art and the sword communities
As someone trying to start a career in digital painting, I'm glad that people from different communities are standing up for each other in these (unpleasant times).
Ironlily is a really talented artist and her response to you made me laugh out loud🤣🤣🤣
Good luck and thank you very much for your content)))
it doesnt matter much, much iron lily is a man
Bro, TYSM for this curious interaction with Ironlily (that's a metal name, tryna not make a pun, but...)!!! Though you mentioned asymmetrical armor as weird, etc. it does appear to have some practicality to it: at the human top shelf anatomy, off hand side is armored for cqd (close quarters defense) & general blindside protection (plus back armor. Usually. Anyways...), while less armor is present for the on hand side for cqo (you guessed it, close-quarters offense) mobility; lower body you might have more equalization of armoring, but the emphasis points are reversed to a degree. So sedentary or nomadic warrior &/or barbarian tribes have a pretty good idea to do all of this bc of warrior intertribal tensions possibly nosediving to the 9th circle of frozen assed hell.
Good to support ironlily, they deserve the praise and support
Ironlilly does the best landsknecht art. It's hilarious
The art was cool, the reply funny but I really love the in depth way the topic was handled, a crazy amount of food for thought that all started from a single image guess that's art for you. Loved it great video
That response genuinely made me laugh harder than really any other interaction I've seen
You interacting with Ironlily is something I never knew I needed XD
Another fun in is that i saw another of those pics with three of Ironlily's chars missing chest plates in the stereotpyical bikini armoir style - all while in one corner there's a human silhouette with dots on its limbs in reference to the survivorship bias chart
The survivorship bias chart is the first thing I thought of when I saw this. "So we're seeing that soldiers returning from battle are mostly taking wounds to the arms and legs..."
That interaction between you and Lilly was so adorable and wholesome and hopefully we'll see more like it. Also not gonna lie, the best fantasy armor system i've seen in any form of media was in The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind, where you could wear a shirt and pants under your armor which consisted of boots, greaves/leg armor, a chest piece, two gauntlets which you could mix and match, two shoulders which you could also mix and match, and a helmet but after all of that you could also wear a robe over your armor too. Plus some of Morrowinds' armor designs are easily some of my favorites in the entire Elder Scrolls series.
Have you played Kingdom Come Deliverance? That uses a similar system to Morrowind where you have layers of clothing and armour. I don't think it goes quite as far as Morrowind though. Iirc, KCD just has head armour, shirt, chest armour, surcoat, legs, leg armour, footwear, gloves / gauntlets and jewelry.
I don't think you can mix and match handwear and footwear either.
Thanks for giving so much respect to Artists!
Something about adorable anime girls in (mostly) historically accurate armor makes Ironlily an absolute joy to follow!
Also Lady Lucerne is a badass💪
Lucerne and Tart are Ironlily's best character
If you like to remind yourself of how far we've fallen. Hey, at least it looks nice.
(Edit: This isn't ironic. I admire the pencil even if I can not the substance. There are a lot of very skilled artists out there. Even if they draw questionable or even vile content I won't say it's not skillful. It should be fine that I'm not happy and grumble about the culture. If everything you loved was destroyed you'd also grumble on the internet like me. Oh wait, you do don't you?)
@@culturalliberator9425 🙄
@@Tyrany42 Well actually, the normalization of cultural decay will eventually lead to a new... 🤓
@@culturalliberator9425 i know right? we need to restore the glorious culture of the past where i would be able to marry children. never forget what (((((((((((((they)))))))))))))) took from you.
IRON LILLY!!!
I literally have their works saved from years ago!
I am so happy they get recognition for their work!
It doesn't surprise me, but it IS a relief to learn Skall is on artists' side on the whole industrialized art theft thing.
Having been away from the "medieval history meets fantasy" part of UA-cam for a while now, that relief is very very welcome considering the route that... The Other Guy of this part of UA-cam... went.
Yeah, I was just thinking that
Who is the other guy?
@@TOBY-jy7bz Shad from shadiversity
As someone who follow you and Ironlily, this video bring a smile in my face.
That intro was so great, you’ve been my favorite swords-and-all-things-related UA-camr for forever and hearing you rally with artists is amazing, thank you 💖
I've been following Ironlily for a long while on Tumblr, always loved how realistic her armour depictions are! Awesome to see her getting some interaction with the HEMA(-adjacent) community (whom I've been following for longer and were the reason I came across Ironlily in the first place)!
The artist’s sketch response of hiding their lewd art from you is adorable!
Great little video, Skall, thank you! :)
I've been trying to come up with a cool but also practical look for a female dwarven warrior, wielding a halberd and a crossbow. It's for a story, but I still try and draw up a design if only to visualize her for myself. I'm not into "sexy art", but Ironlily's "Lucern" warrior and "Sister-at-arms" are both going to be very helpful in finalizing my design process. The built of the women they draw is pretty damn close to what I imagine a fierce dwarven woman to look like. I really appreciate you both - so thank you :)
Ar your dwarves short and stocky or just small?
Because a lot of that bulk comes from armor.
@@HappyBeezerStudios The former.
And yeah, sure, armor can be bulky. But I'm trying to choose bulky armor, if just to fortify a dwarven warriors stout silhouette. And the women shouldn't be an exception in my book (literally). A thick padded overcoat, a gambeson is just one step to emphasize what I imagine when I picture dwarven physique. I just love that concept of the ironclad dwarven defender archetype - but I really want to give her a halberd :)
I recently started following Ironlily and instantly fell in love with the style. So happy that this crossover is a thing
Obviously the gal in the image noticed that most common injuries treated were on the limbs and has not taken survivor bias into account.
That bell curve soyjack meme fits this so wonderfully. Reactions to partial armor in art:
Idiot: "Wow, that's really cool!"
Know-it-all: "Umm aktually that's completely unrealistic and would never work..."
Skallagrim: "Wow, that's really cool!"
Drawing out her response is epic.
I love Ironlily's response so much. It just makes me laugh.
One of my favourite twitter accounts, glad to see them get more attention!
Thanks for linking to her bio. I scheduled through some of the stuff on the dead bird platform and she just comes off as incredibly fun and creative.
Love Ironlily art. Accidentally stumbled on it on FB.
AWESOME!! thank you for supporting Ironlily, Skall!!!!
It would be one hell of a distraction tactic, that’s for sure
That was great and I hope more people see the work of Iron Lily. Such a great artist with a unique style.
The point you made about backpacks reminded me of they way I chose to transport a kayak. I put it on a trolley, and then hooked one end of the kayak to a climbing harness around my waist. That way, I could just casually walk with it following behind me. Then it was just a matter of keeping a hand on the handle to keep it from bouncing from side to side as I walked.
It’s so nice to see something fun and lighthearted in these times. Been having a hard month. This helps.
Funniest fucking reaction I've seen from Twitter. God, it's actually pretty fun, when Twitter is not actively trying to be the worst thing ever.
Still ain't going to actively participate in that godless place though, despite how absolutely unhinged I am. That shit takes a piece of your soul every time you dive deep into it, I swear.
I kinda have to, got perma'd off of Reddit (another godless place, I was too based for it) so I have to get my bimonthly fix of arguing with idiots.
The only benefit of both is that I can get my degeneracy fix without going to mainstream companies.
Nice religious touch in your comment
Ironlilys definitely a huge inspiration when it comes to any sort of realism/fantasy art. I love how their style is deceptively detailed and so well shaded and painted for how simple it actually looks.
top 10 anime crossovers
Skallachan
@@m0-m0597 skall-senpai and lily-chan, i need more of that
I could draw a kawaii Skall Manga short but no one would see it lmao
It is getting to the point wear small and Clara might adopt ironmouse and ironlily as online children then well out of nowhere that skall and Clara will be having a child together.
That interaction was how I found you on twitter, so it’s a very good thing indeed
I love Ironlily's art style, that she made a custom picture response to you is a great honor.
This is why we like you Skall, respet towards the artist while discussing if this would work in a fun way
Ironlily makes the best wholesome art, together with Diva's "Little nuns".
I would love to have a mod for Crusader Kings that put her Ordo Mediare all-female military order in Brittany during the 100-years war.
Been following Ironlily for a while now. Gotta admit I was surprised to see your comment myself! Fun video, and thoroughly enjoyed this very wholesome interaction
BASED SKALLAGRIM CALLING OUT "INDUSTRIAL ART THEFT"
True. In contrast to certain others.
@@leonhard.doerflingerOof… those others… 🤢
@@leonhard.doerflinger Yeah, it is flipping wierd Shadiversity recognizes the dangers of AR and VR yet doesn't recognize AI generated art as a tool for vast art theft and plagiarism machine and as a tool to make people things happen that didn't.
Yep. Though I suspect this type of art AI won't last all that long. Sooner or later it will be used to make porn of a celebrity or of someone's kid and it will be sued into extinction.
@@Wastelandman7000 sadly that's already happened a lot, and nothing happened yet. our current economic system incentivizes its existence, so its going to remain until it gets illegalized
Unironically love videos like this where you analyze the effectiveness of absurd armors/weapons
It's called "gap moe," Skall, and it's art!
The drawing of Ironlily trying to cover the canvas while Skallagrim looms over her really made my day.
Insightful, beautiful, I love their art!! What if the flashing between the swings is intentional?? Hmm? Mid swing distraction spell! Catching an opponent off guard is invaluable!!
Might have some decent benefits, agreed.
IronLily and Centurii-chan deserve all the love and attention!
Ironlilly is one artist that shows armor can be drawn accurately and look good on female body.
Anime style face is always look young. It's cultural at this point. In comparison, American art always have either flat face like cartoon or look old otherwise. It's just how ppl draw ppl
I’ve always been a fan of Lily’s art as well as your channel but seeing you two interact was an absolute gem
Not me waiting for a Centurii interaction lmao
Recently played Kenshi. Quite an amount of cool armor concepts there. Played as martial artist with augmented arms and legs + good helmet, with minimum armor on torso. Guess when most of my defeats started? With character being gutted into stomach with the rest of body mostly unharmed.
I like the flavorful descriptions in Kenshi like how Heart Protectors are SUPPOSED to be worn over padding or chainmail but you see Dust Bandits who wear it over their bare chests because shirts are expensive, and I remember reading somewhere ingame that some people prefer wearing wooden sandals instead of armored boots to be more mobile
@@ham_the_spam4423 Another funny armor in Kenshi is the Assassin's Rag, which is described as being very poor armor, but the opening is supposed to make your attacker more predictable.
It gives dodge bonus for being light, but then both the stats and gameplay disagree with it helping its user: It lowers Melee Defense, making it more difficult to parry, and also poorly protect your chest and stomach which are the two biggest targets in combat (and thus more likely to be hit).
Thats a hilarious interaction. Your comment was great but their reply was just incredible.
0:58 I feel Skallgrim's pain. Every man reaches a point were all those 18 year old's that look so mature when you were a kid start looking like daughters. And not hot farmer's daughters. Just... daughters.
For real, I used to drive by a high school, and the kids looked like Middle Schoolers. Lol. And now even women in their 20s look like kids to me. (Act like kids too. :D)
As someone who grew up in asia and now living in america I have the problem in reverse, non-asian highschoolers tend to look like they are in their 20s to me and even some middle schooler looks like adults. And me myself as a 35 year old asian man is constantly getting mistaken by people as a highschooler.
@@None38389 I saw a UA-camr talking about growing up tall in Japan (he was apparently 180 cm by the time he was 13 and grew even taller later). At his elementary school graduation he was mistaken for one of the teacher's aids.
Heck yeah! Love Ironlily's stuff, and its cool that you're showcasing their stuff!
Now he just have to find Centurii chan 😅
Skallagrim finds Gyaru Landsknecht. Hilarity ensues.
is that the mauchautl girl?@@power-armoured_german9856
Been a fan of Ironlily for a while now. Love their art.
Draw me like one of your French Knights.
YES two of my favourite medieval enthusiasts doing an unofficial collab!
we're crossing the timelines with this one
I have followed you both for some time. What a glorious collision!!
Centurii chan next please!
this,, genuinely made my year, 2 of may favourite creators, i love it all, your assessment, their concepts, i just love it all
This gives me a topic idea: is wearing a single gauntlet better on your sword hand or your offhand? Parrying gauntlets existed and were popular for exemple in Ireland, but using a gauntlet on your main hand is also known. Might be an interesting topic
That would largely depend on your sword of choice IMO - as if its guard is of very limited protection the hand you are exposing most really needs all the help it can get. But if the guard of your sword is really good a gauntlet might even actively get in the way of using the sword. So I'd suggest there is a cross over point where you probably just want two gauntlets, but would be able to justify either hand.
Found a new cool artist to follow. Certainly wasn't expecting this from Valentine's day video. Thanks~
I see the benefit of intentionally showing the opponent a weak spot in order to drag his attacks to it and then counter
conversly, the distraction school of offense
If theyre using a blade, simply having plate mail means their cuts or stabs likely weren't going to do much anyway. Even if you can predict where they will attack, the added vulnerability is a bigger drawback than just being invincible everywhere. If they're using a blunt weapon designed to beat armor, like a hammer, it doesn't really matter where they hit you. Any powerful strike is going to kill or cripple regardless.
Although you're always entering an additional layer of skill contest doing that. There are enough cases of people during training and whatnot trying to trick someone just to be too slow/clumsy to actually get something out of it or even get hit.
I mean, i clicked for the necromancer costume, but I'm glad to find a new artist to follow.
thank you to take a quick second to show respect to artists. There's certain other... sword guys... that would benefit from having half the notion
Well, don't expect someone to act respectfully or honourable just because they call themselves a knight. Not even if their younger brother creates actual art for a living.
never thought this 2 universes I followed for a while would meet and, boy, I'm happy it did, it was a funny interaction and a cool video
First it was ironmouse, now ironlily, what's next? XD
I don't know, you tell me. :)
I have such respect for you crediting her work and acknowledging the age of art theft. You've been one of my favorite medieval accuracy channels for years.
The Irish (and some lansknechts) sometimes opted for just armor for the left arm.
because that is the arm that is towards your opponent.
And even if you have more armor, the left side comes first. Your shieldarm is there to take the blows and your swordarm stays mobile to hit from all angles.
But ofc I already knew and loved this artist...so glad that they get recognized by you!