people still think by killing more (drone attacks) people that will create peace, if you want peace the side with power has to give us some ground, which is clearly not the case for Israel
We saw very well how much peace Israel received when it evacuated Jewish settlements in Samaria such as Gush Katif, Gani Tal and Kfar Darom. The Palestinians burned down the Knesset buildings, shot into the air, called death to the Jews and the Jews only know strength and saw giving as weakness. When there is extreme ideological control of terrorist organizations. Read about Fatah, Hezbollah and Hamas and then look at Israel again.
@@user-ey5om1td2q I have, and trust me buddy the death toll in civilian casualties sque heavy on the palestinan side. Not to mention, Israel is backed by the US which is the most powerfull milatary this earth has ever seen. Palestine are outgunned and outmanned it's not even close
Many thanks for this video, I vaguely remembered this scene but when I watched it years ago I didn't understand the context very well. Now, with the escalating conflict in the region (and with all of us suddenly being experts in the history of Israel and Palestine) this makes a lot more sense. Wish Saul was a real person nowadays...
Politicians within the EU and the entire western world should see this scene and then they may wonder why there will never be peace in the Middle East.
Really a great depiction of strict religious folk, or religious folk vs non strict or not religious at all. If you grew up in a religious household and kept those merits you can’t really disagree but if you didn’t or grew up in one and went away from it, you only see peace. Not religion vs religion.
Saul is definitely my favorite character? Saul is my absolute favorite as he conveys the most authentic portrayal of a CIA field operative and/or Station Chief. Saul conveys experience, sound and sober judgement and willingness to work outside of the rule book, which is representative of old-school CIA. As evident in his departure from Lebanon and thinking 3 steps ahead of customs and quarantine, Saul is not someone that needs to learn much anymore. He plays hardball and it's never going to be easy to pull the wool over his eyes. Kudos to the writers for full-defining this character and also to Mandy Patinkin (Yes Mandy, we get it, you're Jewish in every role you undertake with the exception of Inigo Montoya!) for really doing his homework. He is always calm even under pressure. He's loyal; he may not have believed Carrie's theory about Brody, but he's still been willing to stick his neck out for her multiple times. He admits his mistakes and moves past them. For instance accepting that Carrie actually was right about Brody, and when he got emotional and unintentionally gave Eileen the opportunity to commit suicide. Plus Mandy Patinkin is just awesome. We can say that Saul was one of the best-built characters in history - alongside Carrie, Brody, Dar Adal and Quinn... It would be possible to clarify the following doubts: - I would like to see Homeland reveal how the CIA explained Brody in Iran and his death to the American press. Clearly, Javadi being able to take credit for capturing Brody helped his cause in Iran, but did the US government reveal Brody's role in Akbari's murder? Was his name cleared for the CIA attack? I'd love to know what you thought. - Another loose thread: Paul Franklin and the murder of the "real" CIA bomber. You just did that ... why ?? Carrie was publicly humiliated, beaten, doped, shot and put her life on the line countless times without hesitation, just to make others see Brody as she saw him ... and succeeded. Abu Nazir, the CIA, Jessica and the show's own audience, no one came close to seeing Brody with the clarity Carrie has always seen. Carrie has always read Brody like no one else. Ah, Carrie's dialogue with Javadi was awesome, it will be one of the most memorable moments of the series, without a doubt! "And what you wanted, which was for everyone to see in him what you see. That has happened. Everyone sees him through your eyes now ..." - How did Carrie see Brody? and how did the US come to see it? It's the world?
What is your damned problem, spamming the same rambling essays in every conceivable Homeland clip on UA-cam. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of comments. Does your whole personality revolve around this pathetic fanboy obsession with one scripted tv show? Overanalytic & overindulgent garbage, please get over yourself. Everything you posted since 2014 gives off the foul aroma of weaponized autism.
In the 1970s when Israel was attacked by by the counties surrounding them, a journalist ask Golda Meir, “What are you going to do?” She told the journalist, “Israel has a secret weapon…” The journalist was shocked, nuclear weapons? She continued, “… we have no where else to go”
Despite Saul obviously being Jewish and his sister living in Israel, do you think he’d be pro-Palestine ? I think we can infer from this conversation with his sister (emphasis mine) in 6.03 that he was. Dorit: After I married Moshe, you practically disappeared from my life. Saul: I visited when I could. Dorit: Afternoon now and then. Saul: Moshe and I saw things differently. Dorit: He was my husband. You could’ve tried to understand his point of view. Saul: Did he try to understand mine? Dorit: You could’ve bent a little for my sake. Saul: There’s no bending with a fanatic. After you met him… you changed. Dorit: Moshe opened my eyes to the false life that mother and father had us living-exchanging Christmas presents with the neighbors, doing everything we could not to offend anyone with our Jewishness. Moshe made me proud to be a Jew. Saul: He turned you against your family. *He brought you to live in a place that’s not yours, where you don’t belong.* Dorit: Please, Saul, let’s not do this. Saul: Haven’t you driven enough people from their homes already? Bulldoze their villages, seized their property under laws they had no part in makin’? Dorit: This land was promised to Abraham. Saul: Ah, yes. Promise. A covenant with God made thousands of years ago. Doesn’t that strike you as a form of insanity? Dorit: You don’t understand, Saul. You never have. I love the life that God has given me. Saul: How can you love making enemies? *How can you love knowing that your very presence here makes peace less possible?* Dorit: I have a family, a community, a life filled with faith and purpose. Saul… what do you have?
@@nycytc8055 I didn’t say he necessarily agrees with Israel about everything, but you can’t deny the fact he does want Israel to exist since he works and helps the mossad and even has friends from there. In this specific video, he only complains to his sister about her living in a settlement, not in Israel itself. Therefore yeah, he does support the existence of Israel but against the settlements.
He clearly just opposes the settlements, not the existence of Israel, him helping and having friends in the Mossad, almost defecting and having an Israeli passport in his bug out bag clearly prove this.
He would be Pro-Palestine and Pro-Israel (yes, despite what your twitter groups and the media as a whole is leading you to believe) there is a way to be both. It's what the world needs because no group is going to "vanish" to the dismay of each other. Saul would know the danger/likely threat of Jihadists and rebellion within a Palestinian state against Israel being founded. However he would also know that Israel is being unjust and fanatical on dehumanizing the Palestinian people and leveraging world powers to continue whatever acts of terror is feasible. With global Anti-Semitism rising in relation to Israel's actions, the only safe homeland left for Jews would end up being Israel. This is what Orthodox Jews want and what 'Moshe' wants and did to Dorit.
I think Saul wanted to Israel to suceed and promote peace like the ussr jews Who went there in the beggining. But now he sees thing differently because of the radicalization of Israel and zionism becoming some sort of branch of nazism the way she talks about being proud to be jewish is very similar tô how nazis spoke about their proud of being german after the world War 1 humiliation
"There is no bending with a fanatic..." this is true for every religion, no matter how peaceful.
people still think by killing more (drone attacks) people that will create peace, if you want peace the side with power has to give us some ground, which is clearly not the case for Israel
@@y2k704 I agree
@@softskullbubblebrain What do you mean? Bother with what?
We saw very well how much peace Israel received when it evacuated Jewish settlements in Samaria such as Gush Katif, Gani Tal and Kfar Darom. The Palestinians burned down the Knesset buildings, shot into the air, called death to the Jews and the Jews only know strength and saw giving as weakness. When there is extreme ideological control of terrorist organizations. Read about Fatah, Hezbollah and Hamas and then look at Israel again.
@@user-ey5om1td2q I have, and trust me buddy the death toll in civilian casualties sque heavy on the palestinan side. Not to mention, Israel is backed by the US which is the most powerfull milatary this earth has ever seen. Palestine are outgunned and outmanned it's not even close
Felt it then, felt it now it is INSANITY
Leave it to a television show to get to the root of the issue.
Age like fine wine after what happen in palestine
Many thanks for this video, I vaguely remembered this scene but when I watched it years ago I didn't understand the context very well. Now, with the escalating conflict in the region (and with all of us suddenly being experts in the history of Israel and Palestine) this makes a lot more sense.
Wish Saul was a real person nowadays...
how poignant for today
Wow the fact that this was made years ago and now this is literally at the forefront of what's happening right now!! Saul tried to warn us.
Been like this for decades sadly #FREEPALESTINE
Politicians within the EU and the entire western world should see this scene and then they may wonder why there will never be peace in the Middle East.
One of best characters in tv history. Thank you Saul
Really a great depiction of strict religious folk, or religious folk vs non strict or not religious at all. If you grew up in a religious household and kept those merits you can’t really disagree but if you didn’t or grew up in one and went away from it, you only see peace. Not religion vs religion.
Saul is definitely my favorite character?
Saul is my absolute favorite as he conveys the most authentic portrayal of a CIA field operative and/or Station Chief. Saul conveys experience, sound and sober judgement and willingness to work outside of the rule book, which is representative of old-school CIA. As evident in his departure from Lebanon and thinking 3 steps ahead of customs and quarantine, Saul is not someone that needs to learn much anymore. He plays hardball and it's never going to be easy to pull the wool over his eyes. Kudos to the writers for full-defining this character and also to Mandy Patinkin (Yes Mandy, we get it, you're Jewish in every role you undertake with the exception of Inigo Montoya!) for really doing his homework.
He is always calm even under pressure. He's loyal; he may not have believed Carrie's theory about Brody, but he's still been willing to stick his neck out for her multiple times. He admits his mistakes and moves past them. For instance accepting that Carrie actually was right about Brody, and when he got emotional and unintentionally gave Eileen the opportunity to commit suicide. Plus Mandy Patinkin is just awesome.
We can say that Saul was one of the best-built characters in history - alongside Carrie, Brody, Dar Adal and Quinn... It would be possible to clarify the following doubts:
- I would like to see Homeland reveal how the CIA explained Brody in Iran and his death to the American press. Clearly, Javadi being able to take credit for capturing Brody helped his cause in Iran, but did the US government reveal Brody's role in Akbari's murder? Was his name cleared for the CIA attack? I'd love to know what you thought.
- Another loose thread: Paul Franklin and the murder of the "real" CIA bomber. You just did that ... why ??
Carrie was publicly humiliated, beaten, doped, shot and put her life on the line countless times without hesitation, just to make others see Brody as she saw him ... and succeeded. Abu Nazir, the CIA, Jessica and the show's own audience, no one came close to seeing Brody with the clarity Carrie has always seen. Carrie has always read Brody like no one else.
Ah, Carrie's dialogue with Javadi was awesome, it will be one of the most memorable moments of the series, without a doubt!
"And what you wanted, which was for everyone to see in him what you see. That has happened. Everyone sees him through your eyes now ..."
- How did Carrie see Brody? and how did the US come to see it? It's the world?
Too long bro
What is your damned problem, spamming the same rambling essays in every conceivable Homeland clip on UA-cam. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of comments. Does your whole personality revolve around this pathetic fanboy obsession with one scripted tv show? Overanalytic & overindulgent garbage, please get over yourself. Everything you posted since 2014 gives off the foul aroma of weaponized autism.
There's only one way to remove radicalism - the moderates must speak up
In the 1970s when Israel was attacked by by the counties surrounding them, a journalist ask Golda Meir, “What are you going to do?” She told the journalist, “Israel has a secret weapon…” The journalist was shocked, nuclear weapons? She continued, “… we have no where else to go”
Well they could go back to Usa, canada, europe, New zealand or whatever the fuck those colonizers came from
@@FabioZCandioto tell that to Palestine they can go back to eygpt , Yemen, Jordan or whatever the fuck those colonizers came from
Come ascoltare in italiano
You killed my father..prepare to die!
Despite Saul obviously being Jewish and his sister living in Israel, do you think he’d be pro-Palestine ?
I think we can infer from this conversation with his sister (emphasis mine) in 6.03 that he was.
Dorit: After I married Moshe, you practically disappeared from my life.
Saul: I visited when I could.
Dorit: Afternoon now and then.
Saul: Moshe and I saw things differently.
Dorit: He was my husband. You could’ve tried to understand his point of view.
Saul: Did he try to understand mine?
Dorit: You could’ve bent a little for my sake.
Saul: There’s no bending with a fanatic. After you met him… you changed.
Dorit: Moshe opened my eyes to the false life that mother and father had us living-exchanging Christmas presents with the neighbors, doing everything we could not to offend anyone with our Jewishness. Moshe made me proud to be a Jew.
Saul: He turned you against your family. *He brought you to live in a place that’s not yours, where you don’t belong.*
Dorit: Please, Saul, let’s not do this.
Saul: Haven’t you driven enough people from their homes already? Bulldoze their villages, seized their property under laws they had no part in makin’?
Dorit: This land was promised to Abraham.
Saul: Ah, yes. Promise. A covenant with God made thousands of years ago. Doesn’t that strike you as a form of insanity?
Dorit: You don’t understand, Saul. You never have. I love the life that God has given me.
Saul: How can you love making enemies? *How can you love knowing that your very presence here makes peace less possible?*
Dorit: I have a family, a community, a life filled with faith and purpose. Saul… what do you have?
I think he was talking about the settlements, more than Israel itself. He does support the existence of Israel
@@supyou2824 how do you know he supports the state of Israel? His character never said that?
@@nycytc8055 I didn’t say he necessarily agrees with Israel about everything, but you can’t deny the fact he does want Israel to exist since he works and helps the mossad and even has friends from there. In this specific video, he only complains to his sister about her living in a settlement, not in Israel itself. Therefore yeah, he does support the existence of Israel but against the settlements.
He clearly just opposes the settlements, not the existence of Israel, him helping and having friends in the Mossad, almost defecting and having an Israeli passport in his bug out bag clearly prove this.
He would be Pro-Palestine and Pro-Israel (yes, despite what your twitter groups and the media as a whole is leading you to believe) there is a way to be both. It's what the world needs because no group is going to "vanish" to the dismay of each other. Saul would know the danger/likely threat of Jihadists and rebellion within a Palestinian state against Israel being founded. However he would also know that Israel is being unjust and fanatical on dehumanizing the Palestinian people and leveraging world powers to continue whatever acts of terror is feasible. With global Anti-Semitism rising in relation to Israel's actions, the only safe homeland left for Jews would end up being Israel. This is what Orthodox Jews want and what 'Moshe' wants and did to Dorit.
I think Saul wanted to Israel to suceed and promote peace like the ussr jews Who went there in the beggining. But now he sees thing differently because of the radicalization of Israel and zionism becoming some sort of branch of nazism the way she talks about being proud to be jewish is very similar tô how nazis spoke about their proud of being german after the world War 1 humiliation
Your racism is absolutely, horridly blinding. BLIND racism.
The character - Saul, in this clip is on the wrong side of the issue, he's the radical!
And not his sister who wants to performatively invade someone's neighborhood... Got it, lol.
Baffling logic. Are you kidding? Saul is not the radical one whatsoever.
Saul's radical? How?
This certainly fcking aged.