The ship is so classified that each section of the ship was built at 3 seperate shipyards so the other wouldn't know about the design of the other sections but could only speculate what the ship looked like whole. Only a select few knew about the ship including the crew and they were sworn to secrecy.
I think it's important to point out that Star Trek ships typically fight at impulse speeds or less and not warp. Since the "multi-vector assault mode" was clearly designed for such combat, my guess is the tiny warp nacelle for the primary hull is so that, if one or more of the other sections is destroyed or severely damaged in combat, the primary hull (and the crew) can escape and won't be stranded at impulse speeds while it waits for reinforcements. I honestly don't think that tiny nacelle is meant to be used in the same way the other nacelles are. I think it's just a back-up in case the shit really hits the fan.
+Darin Wagner The dialogue in DS9 implied that the threat of the Borg forced Starfleet's hand into designing a prototype warship (the Defiant); I seem to recall that the dialogue in “Message in a Bottle” indicates that the Prometheus was created to serve Starfleet in the Dominion War. -- I might be making that up; it's been a while since I last watched this episode. Regardless, it would make sense that every new ship that Starfleet commissions would incorporate all the latest innovations their technicians have come up with; even throughout the production of different ships of the same class.
+Stu047 It's mentioned nowhere in "Message In A Bottle" that the ship was designed to fight the Dominion threat. The Dominion is mentioned in passing, but not in regards to the ship's origins. I like to think of Prometheus as "the other Defiant" that came out of the program Sisko mentioned in "The Search, Part 1." Both the ships are designated escort vessels. It is a reasonable idea that since the Enterprise-D succeeded in defeating the first Borg Cube in part due to its ability to separate into two weapons platforms (saucer separation tactic) that one of the ideas that came out of Starfleet's anti-Borg design program would incorporate a ship that takes that idea several steps further.
Well in “The Best of Both Worlds, Part II” the Borg were ultimately defeated because our heroes used their brains rather than the weaponry on their ship; in fact every engagement with the Borg in that two parter (and in DS9's pilot episode) depicted the Borg cube as being pretty much unstoppable regardless of how many starships were being thrown at it. With Riker separating the Enterprise we did indeed witness the saucer engaging the cube in battle but it's job was really to serve as a distraction for the Borg, to hide the fact that the entire engagement was actually a smokescreen to facilitate a rescue mission to retrieve Picard. At the conclusion of that battle we learned that the saucer had lost its propulsion so it really didn't showcase the multi-pronged attack approach very well; I'd be surprised if Starfleet commissioned the design and construction of the Prometheus based on that engagement. Don't get me wrong, I think the Prometheus is pretty cool...and pretty to look at! But in the next encounter with the Borg, I'd be sending out a fleet of Defiant class starships to 'greet' it!
+Stu047 Oh I'm fully aware of how Riker and Co managed to defeat the Borg. However the saucer separation tactic was key in infiltrating the cube and surgically abducting Locutus. It's not difficult to imagine a Starfleet think tank going over all Borg engagements and brainstorming new ship ideas and coming up with the Prometheus, among other ideas. The Prometheus is a one-of-a-kind prototype as far as we know... perhaps a pathfinder. It is also not unreasonable that since the Defiant proved itself against the Dominion and more Defiant-class ships were manufactured as a result, Starfleet would dust off the Prometheus and see if they could find some use for it during the Dominion War. We know Starfleet was exploring the idea of a new anti-Borg battle fleet (DS9 "The Search, Part 1")... there's room for the Prometheus in there.
+Darin Wagner Only 2 things. The Galaxy Class wasn't the first ship designed to separate for combat purposes. Second the Prometheus Class is a Tactical Cruiser, not a Escort ship. Also, the other ship that Sisko mentioned was actually the Nova Class. But the Nova actually ended up as a replacement for the Oberth Class while the Defiant got mothballed due to performance issues.
The 3 sections are designed to work together thru computer control, like a fighter pilot & 2 drones fighting a common target. In the show (Voyeger) the computer coordinated the attack on one ship with the 3 sections. The original Star Trek ship design was that the sauser section was a "lifeboat" section, not a fighting tool. I read the paperback edition, The Making of Star Trek, years ago.
There was two nacelles on the saucer section, one at the top and bottom where the middle section separated from. The Warp core in the secondary hulls is one large M/AM assembly that splits in 2 when multi-vector assault mode is activated. Its why there's the 10 second countdown. It enables the smaller warp core in the saucer to take over powering the whole ship while they shut down and split the larger M/AM reactor into two. When the ship is in multi-vector assault mode the bridge acts like a CIC on naval vessels on a fleet command ship controlling all the parts from sections on the bridge. I always thought that those sections on the dorsal of the saucer were layers of ablative armour protecting the fusion reactions for the multiple impulse engines in that section of the ship.
I have a few comments about both the warp core and the engines. I think everybody is taking for granted that the warp core is only for the warp engines, but from many of the episodes when they transfer to secondary power which I believe to be nuclear it diminishes the capability for the whole ship to include phasers and shields. So the warp core does not have to be specifically for the warp engine only. On the warp engine on the saucer/arrow section the design does not make sense to me based on the rules for warp engines, even if they were on the inside based on design it would not be large enough to encompass the whole section. I believe the saucer section is probably not warp capable just from the rules. The purpose of having the warp core would then make sense in that it would power the sheilds, phasers, and impulse engines.
I do love the Prometheus-class design, but what I think could look great is if they extended the secondary hull for the separated saucer section and had six nacelles. We've seen six nacelles work on other designs, and it would technically address a few of the issues people have with the design. Thoughts anyone?
I think that the rectangle areas with the ridges on the saucer section could retract and have beefier warp nacelles that rotate and lock into position.
I just got the egalemoss model of the Prometheus last week and I love it. the Prometheus is quickly becoming my favourite ship. this is also another awesome episode as per the trekyards norm great job!
I think is is a great class of ship. From the fist time I saw this on Voyager, it just made me do a double take and I had to rewind and watch it again. I would like to see more of this ship.
Don't know if this has been covered, but, the reason the 3 seperate pieces can fire phasers at warp while attacking the Nebula class is because the phaser beams themselves are surrounded by an annular confinement beam to counter effect the issues of traveling at warp. Also, with regards to the saucers sections warp engines. There is an identical small warp nacelle that desends into the open cavity left behind from the middle warp section.
@ Sturat. To answer your question. Yes I belive the other sections actualy are since i belive according to restricted specs those other sections are controlled by the the computer cores which are also operated from the main bridge located on the saucer.
To my understanding, the primary hull has an underslung warp nacelle which extends into the gap created by the secondary hull. It's not visible from the front, however. In my mind, one of the reasons the forward swept pylons work is because they mimic the angle at the rear of the primary hull. Regarding the bridge, definitely smaller rather than more populated; it's a tactical ship, so it doesn't need a lot of science stations.
0:37 -Awesome INTRO Captain! 1:31 Sam says he likes the bottom (I kid) 4:18 Diagram has shuttles on the separation plane. 7:45 The saucer has 2 warp nacelles 8:50 Galaxy is mag lock clamps but as I told you before a physical connection is a fail safe in the case of power loss. You have to think like an engineer. 12:00 The features on the Hull are Field Enhancers like Voyagers 16:00 The only thing this ship has in common with Icarus is the four engines. The ships body looks more like the Vorcha. 25:05 According to the Episode The Nebula class ship caught the Prometheus while traveling at warp 9.9 and all sections of the ship maintained that speed for attack. -This ship has never shown Quantum ability. -Prometheus canonly has the most powerful phasers in Star Fleet *133 Petawatts* -There are no hardpoint for torpedoes any where on all three 'ships' -The ship lacks any aft mounted phasers (except the saucer) -Agree with the Captain the Suacer would look better with real warp engines. -There is no room for Docking Clamps in the head of the Bottom ship. I don't care for the ship. It's bad idea. Why make 3 in 1 when you can just send 3 ships? The Saucer engines are too small. If you could use such small engines why have the large engines on the same ship? It's interesting but...meh ship of the week.
+saquist You make some excellent points but let me throw some at you.There are few rear mounted phaser arrays true, but due to the firing arc that phaser arrays have combined with the rapid maneuverability of all 3 ships, rear phasers may not be needed. I am no expert on warp nacelles or how the work in theory but a possible answer is they were designed for short sprints and not prolonged usage. But I agree, they do look useless. There have to be docking clamps or else you wouldn't get that bump just as the ship was about to separate (I know that's an Assumption but it makes sense). Lastly, and this is a Star Trek error, neither the Nebula Class or the Defiant class can Warp at 9.9.
Based on my understanding of how power generation works within the Trek world, the warp core is used almost exclusively to power the warp engines in the nacelles. The nacelles actually draw power instead of generating it, so a smaller nacelle for the Prometheus's unshapely saucer section (I've never liked primary hulls which don't look like a saucer) would mean less of a power drain (but also, as you stated, a lower top speed). According to the tech manuals, primary power is generated by the fusion reactors which also power the impulse engines. Each section does not only need to be equipped with a warp core and warp engines, it also needs to be equipped with impulse engines and fusion reactors to power all its non-propulsion systems. Only during TMP (and possibly with the Miranda's 'megaphasers') do we see the warp core powering anything other than just warp drive. The main issue I've got with the Prometheus design is the multi vector assault idea. I've often joked that Starfleet started building ships which fall apart at the first sign of trouble. This MVA mode seems counterintuitive to me. Not only does it mean you have to have a huge number of systems in triplicate, you also need a full outer hull on the ship's insides, which takes away a lot of internal space (of which the ship doesn't have much to begin with). Sure, it doesn't need much in the way of crew facilities such as lounges, holodecks and what not because it's got holoemitters everywhere, which is great during leisure time, but there's only so much combat prowess you can pack into that limited space. You effectively reduce the shield strength and armour rating of an individual section the moment you split the ship in three. As an opponent, assuming equal overall power/offensive and defensive rating, it would be easy to focus your fire on one section, destroy it, and move on to the next, rather than having to try to take down the stronger, combined shields of all three sections at once, shield facings which can reinforce one another (kind of like we see on Star Trek Online with the transfer shield strength ability). I think the only reason the Prometheus is capable of defeating that Nebula class and also that D'deridex with such ease is because they're old ships, while Prometheus has computer-controlled attack precision (you can see no input by the crew is needed, so you eliminate biological reaction times and limits to coordination) and more powerful weapons. Against the D'deridex, a design easily thirty to forty years older than the Prometheus, it's really no contest, especially not with an Akira and two Defiants supporting so (counting the Prometheus as one ship) the Romulans were already outnumbers 4:3, with two of those vessels rated more powerful than the D'deridex (the Defiant was once referred to as the most powerful warship in the quadrant, after all). I think a Sovereign class would give the Prometheus a serious run for its mo... well, latinum.
My Prometheus class ship in STO uses one of the other ship types for the struts, making them swept back. She looks like she's incredibly fast and maneuverable because of the slight elongation of the space frame. The pylons are also spread a bit more into an equilateral X shape which makes them ore prominent, adding to an aggressive look.
The point that the individual segments of the ship are not long term self-sustaining is well taken. You truly need the whole ship for day to day operations. All of the ship's functions are not going to be duplicated in triplicate for each of the three sections of the ship. Aside from engines, weapons, and shields, only necessities like sick bays would be duplicated. The forward swept nacelle struts are perfect since they mirror the aft contours of the saucer section and adds to the compact design indicative of a combat vessel. The bridge is perfect for tactical purposes. It's simple, direct, you're not going to trip over much on this bridge. The epitome of simple yet elegant. The small warp nacelles on the alpha section make perfect sense. They're not meant for full time service. Also, don't forget that there is a second small warp nacelle that extends on the underside of the alpha section during separated mode.
I first saw this ship on the episode Message in a Bottle too. I loved it. Still do. Always makes my top 5 list. I do agree that the two nacelles could have been in a better spot. Maybe built into the saucer's hull. Wouldn't be a deal breaker for me though. That said I don't think the size of the nacelles are a problem. Keeping with the idea of the other ships being controlled by the saucer section. Possibly the main isn't meant to do as much fighting. A command and control or support ship. I've never found out what those lines that looked like "stacked" phaser strips toward the back of the saucer section was. Depending on the rendering (including official ones) they don't always have the same look or color exacty. At one time I had theory. Around this point starfleet had the runabouts. The idea of ships with modular sections can be a handy feature. What if it was a modular section or a fast resupply setup when transporters aren't an option. You pull the empty. Shove in a loaded module and off you go. That said they could just be a butt load of alternate phasers of a different type. Cause if it isn't as fast as the other two it might offset by having a harder bite and more armor. That's a sturdy looking bridge area.
"Pulse fire Quantum Torpedo Launchers" are rapid fire quantum Torpedo launchers. Like also smaller in size, but due to high fire rate it may proof to be excellent on escort usage. Ideal for short range combat I presume. And yes, it is in the top section located. See the odd looking triangle cut-out parts? That's where they go. So these torpedo launchers may as well be firing only straight forward in a 45 degree angle, which may be a serious problem. Those strips on the sides are indeed phaser strips, if you count them, there are 5 on each side which makes 10, plus the two big ones on the nose makes 12. Although oddly enough in Star Trek online you will get Phaser Beam Banks instead that do not have the same arc as it should have. I got the Hestia T6 version in Star Trek Online, I think it's a decent version and brings the ship back to the front lines. Decent looks, decent options and nice console coming with it! (Blue fire animations! Who doesn't like that!), Definite must buy! I however do not yet own the original Prometheus T5 ship, so my ship can not separate unfortunately. It is however no big loss since that would only really work in episode missions and not really anywhere else. Your ship will die a lot quicker separated into 3 parts really. Nice idea, but in the game it's a pain in the ass to deal with. (please do add it in the next video! Also comment on it of course! Feel free to contact me if you require photo's, I will be happy to show you around on that ship!) That micro nacelle on the top (when separated) does look awkward to me, but in a awkward way also okay-ish? Making it bigger would mean that the bridge will get smaller, but having it stick out of the rear more would probably look awkward just the same. So I think it is a decent solution to this problem for this era, in the T6 era on Star Trek online however it is likely in need for a upgrade to fix that problem.
I really agree with Captain. The tiny nacelle is really an eyesore. They missed an opportunity to have 6 nacelles. It could've looked cool to have all 6 visible or like Captain suggested have the bottom two touching when the ships together with the top sections nacelles over top.
Always been a big fan of the USS Prometheus. Keeping in mind that it was only showcased in a single episode the creative forces behind it really did pull out all the stops to depict it; we got to see its bridge, its sickbay, some corridors, a lounge... Then of course there was the CG model for which the artists involved did a fine job of realising the tricky design of the 3 in 1 ship before plunging it into a couple of cool action sequences. Yeah, we were pretty spoilt in that episode.Very much looking forward to seeing Rick Sternbach offer his commentary on its design.
The saucer has two nacelles, one at the top behind the bridge, one at the bottom inside the hull cut. They swing out on a hinged pylon. Now as for the impulse engines, you got me where they are supposed to be. Personally, I find this concept kinda dumb. There isn't a huge advantage to separating in battle compared to the cost imo. It looks neat though.
I would guess that the saucer section would serve a comand and control function in combat allowing the lower sections to do the bulk of the manuevering, it therefore wouldnt need the flight capibility of the other sections .
Loved this Mission Briefing guys! A few thoughts/comments on the Prometheus. In Star Trek Online each section does have strengths & weaknesses. I think the primary hull or "alpha section" has the most hull strength, but lowest speeds. The bottom or gamma section has the strongest shield as it had the main deflector. I don't remember all the specifics, but each is strongest in one area. The strengths and weaknesses also made me think of a few things. Imagine a Prometheus as a strike force all in one. The primary hull could be the command section further away from the action, the middle could be the striker, and the bottom could be a ship used for flanking or something with its ability to land, then power up and hit the opponent from the side. Stuart mentioned how awesome this ship could be for other roles. I imagine the exploration possibilities with 3 independent ships in one, they could chart a big area thoroughly and quickly. Also imagining other less glorious roles like medical relief, cargo transport, colonization, hell station construction. The possibilities make me think of the next level of ships like the Ptolemy class. Although a multi-vector ship would have to be very heavy in terms of resources to build and maintain, it could represent the future of Federation starship design. Imagine massive ships like the Enterprise-J as a multi-vector type of craft.
+Joe K I think that rule was invented to help justify the use of transporters at warp. Phasers are directed energy weapons that travel at near the speed of light but that's as fast as they go; photon torpedoes on the other hand carry hardware that will sustain warp speeds for an extended period after having been launched from a ship already travelling at warp.
+Joe K the short answer is yes. The long answer is that "Warp" designates a rate of work not a rate of actual motion. Similar to saying a certain a Ferrari is moving at 350 horse power.
Baby Warp Drives - would be cool if they could pop out of four or five sections with warp conduits that connect all the cores on the ship to ultimately tap into more power.
Hmm, I do not think warp nacelles are involved in power generation, that is up to the warp core and fusion reactors on the ship. The nacelles cost power in that they pump plasma into them made by the warp core, to energize the coils, plasma that as such can not be converted into electricity to power other things when the nacelles are in use. And I think the shorter nacelles would mean they are less efficient, as in more power needed per speed of warp, which is not a problem for a ship that only have them to gain the warp option in combat and not for actual warp travel.
I was just typing this very thing out when i thought i best go look to see if any one else has mentioned it. There is seems to be a problem with some of the fan base believing that the Nacelles produce power, they equate warp nacelles with power output. I think this comes from the TOS era when they didnt really have a clue about the systems they were depicting in the TV show and things were said that do not match up to the TNG era Cannon. One of them being that they in one show rerouted the phaser power through the warp engines to give them more power. Now thats not how the Tech Manuals from the TNG era discribe things, but some people seem to think it still applys. They are mistaken but i am bored of telling them this. Trekyards should know better though.
Some notes on the Prometheus ship. The Saucer does have a top and bottom warp nacelles. The ship only has one main bridge in the main saucer section. Some theory and speculations. The Prometheus was developed as a response to the loss of man power to the Federation. Hence the heavy automated systems and full ship holo emitters for the holographic doctor. Also the multi vector attack system only being depected being used in a maneuver then resembling after the maneuver has finished. Part of the speculation for this is based on the Prometheus being reflected as a minimalist crew ship and the middle hull having the only shuttle bay. Also the saucer having those smaller warp nacelles making some speculate the Prometheus having a radically reduced top warp speed when separated into it's three sections. Lastly I speculate the Prometheus was the first and only one of it's kind ship. Possibly developed in corporation with the Romulans due to the Romulans having such a clear understanding of the Prometheus systems and how to use the Multi Vector assault system. Also in episode the Prometheus is shown to have regular photon torpedoes and not quantum. Making me speculate the Federation provided the ship systems and weapons. While the Romulans had helped in developing the automation and holographic systems. Making the Prometheus more of a proof of concept ship then any sort of escort or battleship. Also this may explain why the ship so easily owned ships from around the Galaxy class era.
+Trekyards How do you guys monetize your videos with copyright images? Is that acceptable so long as you credit the artists/authors? (i'm a youtube noob) :)
At 8:13 "It looks aggressive" in reference to the bottom rear hull. Of course it does it has the same aggressive look as the Aries from Axanar updated to Voyager generation design.
As a couple others mentioned, the saucer's warp engines should have followed those on the Defiant, and been built into the sides of the saucer. The saucer would have been better overall if it had looked like an evolution of the Defiant, with the deflector dish extension in the nose as well, so the saucer looked like a complete ship when seperated. And a potent ship. I think we'd all agree it looks weak on its own as-is. If I were a bad guy it's definitely the part I would choose to concentrate my firepower on. How much would it take to shoot off the little warp nacelles? Would that cripple the saucer section? The middle and bottom sections needed a bulge in the area where the "bridge" would normally be. The rationalization for it doesn't matter. Visually, it needs to be there. Finally I would have swept back the warp pylons on one of the hulls, so they don't mirror each other. Top/bottom symmetricallity is generally not a good thing. It's not as solidly bad here as it is on the Icarus, but Prometheus could have been more interesting if the pylons had swept in opposite directions, and it would have made it easier to tell the bottom sections apart when seperated.
hi. I believe there is another hidden warp nacelle underneath the top section. I also reckon that the small warp neclles are more so to keep the top section at high warp rather than get it to high warp. pulse fire quantum torpedo tubes are the same as sovereign class. my understanding is that it can fire 4 torpedoes in rapid succession with a relatively short reload time - I'm guessing one fore n aft on the mid n bottom sections respectively
The deisgn itself is nice, but umm what happens if one piece is destroyed or severely damaged? It can't very well put itself back together can it? And why not just use 3 Defiants or something? And when it separates in combat, what if one piece is knocked around out of control and collides with the others? I never understood the logic of this ship.
I think having an extra set of traditional nacelles would be a bit much for the saucer but ones where they glowed out the back a bit like the Defiant. Or built in and glowing on the bottom like a Ferengi Marauder would have been a better option than the two teeny weeny pop up ones they went with. The thing I didn't really like in the episode was that it split, but then stayed close together and fired forward phasers at one Romulan ship, completely negating the point of separating. They could have performed that attack while still joined.
The Prometheus was designed to combat the Borg and Dominion threats, so I don't believe it'd be any more fragile while separated than an Intrepid-class with ablative armour. I think that the three separate parts would have substantial regenerative, multiphasic shielding on their own, but with all three parts having their own separate shield emitters I imagine that the combined mode would have "triple shielding"* to take on the massive firepower of Dominion capital ships or a single Borg Cube while the multi-vector assault mode would be used to hunt less powerful, light-armoured vessels such as the smaller Jem'Hadar fighters and Borg probes the former which could harass the bigger ships of the line with impunity and you don't want the Borg to report back. I'd love to hear Rick Sternbach's thoughts on how they imagined the shield emitters to work. *Like the Scimitar had primary and secondary regenerative shielding but with added tertiary.
I wonder if this ship had a 5th nacell on the top (like a dreadnaugh class) if it would look good with all three parts toguether. At least it would make almost a kelvin class for the saucer separated.
I would imagine that the Prometheus would have a total of 5 torpedo launchers when undocked, 2 on each of the stardrive sections (one forward & one aft) & one on the saucer. I would also figure on 6 more phaser arrays when undocked, 2 on the bottom of the saucer, 2 on the bottom of the middle stardrive section, & 2 more on the top of the bottom stardrive section. While I do agree that the saucer nacelle is a bit small in comparison it does look to be a good size for the saucer. One final note, I honestly thought that they were going to start a new series with the Prometheus. It was introduced in season 4 & I thought we were going to get a new series during Voyager season 5 (much like we got DS9 during the 5th season of TNG & Voyager during the 5th season of DS9). It would have been a great ship to use. Early seasons would have shown her putting out brush fires in the aftermath of the Dominion War.
Love the Prometheus Class!! The saucer when separated, looks like an arrowhead!! A definite BATTLESHIP!! I think this ship would be part of an exploration group. It's silly to think only one ship would be sent into the galaxy by itself. That's the only thing that's really bothered me about Star Trek. We all know that the Navy sends a "Carrier Group" out on patrol. I think Starfleet would do the same.
If there were a fleet of ten, could they be re-pieced together at random so as to be more efficient and make extraction quicker? Or would there be some type of security interlock?
I agree the little warp stub on top is just... ehh. Personally I would love to see those panels on the side open up to have two larger nacelles that kinda swing out. After all you're already splitting the thing into three.
The prometheus's bridge was a redress of the excelsior bridge, not the Ent E if I recall correctly... I like the design, but I'd prefer the white glowy things at the edge of the saucer to be the saucers warp engines- kinda like the defiant...
Yea This same shot you might Find in one of your Eagle Moss Magazines featuring this same shot. The Nebula Class Ship i think is mm the USS Honshu? i think?
I think if you want to have the Prometheus as a u s s trekyards there is a naval tradition you might have missed . I think it goes like this if a captain is in command of more than one ship at a time does that make the captain an admiral .
What do you guys think of the other STO variants to the Multi Vector Escort based on Prometheus, especially the newly released Hestia Class? The tiny warp nacelle on the saucer is just bad and looks very weak. Maybe compact warp engines like the ones on the Defiant class would work better for the saucer.
A cool episode about a cool ship! I really like that one and going into the details in a full trekyards episode will be awesome! Personally, the very sharp edged design doesn't really feel very Starfleet-ish to me most of the time, but then again, I think it speaks for the evolution in Starfleet designs that come up with more interesting shapes and ideas in that time period. The Icarus from renegades doesn't seem that different compared to the prometheus class. It almost feels as if these could've been two designs that were planned and just one was more practical as an addition to the fleet in general, while the icarus program was stopped in some way to make that ship as unique as it is.
It's a tough and good looking ship from most angles, I'm not a fan of its front view with the saucer looking like a pyramid. I also agree with Captain Foley about the saucer section, it looks odd on its own. What might need further discussion is how such a tough and advanced ship was overcome by Romulans, and then how it was able to fire on one of its own (the pursuing Nebula) via voice command of an imposter.
I defiantly prefer the Cerberus class from STO, with the smaller saucer and backwards angled pylons. (In game I've got the Prometheus upper and lower hull, Cerberus saucer and pylons, and the Prometheus nacelles) ...I sometimes look at it and wish sto would give us the option to loose a set of engines and pylons, then it would look like a little sovereign/intrepid hybrid
I think it would make more sense if there was a Fifth Full Warp Nacelle on top of the primary bridge section instead of that tiny retractable one. It would make more sense with functionality and I don't think it would hurt the aesthetic. It would look similar to the "future" Enterprise from "All Good Things..." with that third nacelle in the middle. Either that or 2 more nacelles maybe half the size of the other four on each side of the primary bridge section. But that would be a total of six and might look like a bit much.
I would have to agree with Captain Foley, I don't like the tiny warp nacelle. I would have liked it a bit better with the nacelles built into the main hull.
So, in the episode about the Titan you've mentioned the Gene's guidelines of construction of a starship. When Prometheus separates, the primary hull (with a bridge) extends warp nacelles, which are out of line of sight of each other. Isn't that a problem, both technical and aesthetical?
Love your stuff guys! Keep it coming! Obviously you guys really enjoy STO. Will we see STO specific ships on your page? Namely I'd love to see the Odyssey get some love.
I also hate the piddly warp engines. Some fans envision a version of the ship that doesn't separate, ditching separation gear and the piddly engines for added science ability for a multimission vessel not so bent on tactical use.
the ship in my mind it one of militarize vessels was comission post wolf 539 so like the defiant class or uss vengeance from in to darkness in a way very non starfleet design
I do not like the small necell on the primary section. I think it would look more aesthetically pleasing if there were two warp necells tucked into the primary section that then deploy when the ship separates.
I recall somewhere that Michael Okuda said the registry number NX-59650 was in error on screen and the Art dept had already done the shots so they weren't gonna change it. I think he said the Registry was supposed to be NX-74913 to match some of the interior designs he had done for it. See here under Background Info: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Prometheus_(Prometheus_class)
And lets not forget, if the center unit is crippled or destroyed in combat, you have two units that are unable to do anything but wander around together.
I was about to comment individually but to the same point, I was hoping that the first and third were able to join together. I have never found an official notification that the could, but have also never seen a notification that the could not. The top attachable front layouts to two and three look awfully similar.
I do think this design has potential but i dont like 4 nacelles part and that it could split in 3 parts. It seemed too complicated to be made by Star fleet.Just have 2 longer nacelles and loose ability to split then it is awesome design.
3 warp cores?!? Wow I never knew this! All 3 parts are fully autonomous, very awesome!
The ship is so classified that each section of the ship was built at 3 seperate shipyards so the other wouldn't know about the design of the other sections but could only speculate what the ship looked like whole. Only a select few knew about the ship including the crew and they were sworn to secrecy.
I think it's important to point out that Star Trek ships typically fight at impulse speeds or less and not warp. Since the "multi-vector assault mode" was clearly designed for such combat, my guess is the tiny warp nacelle for the primary hull is so that, if one or more of the other sections is destroyed or severely damaged in combat, the primary hull (and the crew) can escape and won't be stranded at impulse speeds while it waits for reinforcements. I honestly don't think that tiny nacelle is meant to be used in the same way the other nacelles are. I think it's just a back-up in case the shit really hits the fan.
would think its actually a dedicated power supply rather than being meant for warp to feed into the phasers
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I like to think that Prometheus was another ship that came out of the same Starfleet anti-Borg development program that produced the Defiant.
+Darin Wagner The dialogue in DS9 implied that the threat of the Borg forced Starfleet's hand into designing a prototype warship (the Defiant); I seem to recall that the dialogue in “Message in a Bottle” indicates that the Prometheus was created to serve Starfleet in the Dominion War. -- I might be making that up; it's been a while since I last watched this episode. Regardless, it would make sense that every new ship that Starfleet commissions would incorporate all the latest innovations their technicians have come up with; even throughout the production of different ships of the same class.
+Stu047 It's mentioned nowhere in "Message In A Bottle" that the ship was designed to fight the Dominion threat. The Dominion is mentioned in passing, but not in regards to the ship's origins. I like to think of Prometheus as "the other Defiant" that came out of the program Sisko mentioned in "The Search, Part 1." Both the ships are designated escort vessels. It is a reasonable idea that since the Enterprise-D succeeded in defeating the first Borg Cube in part due to its ability to separate into two weapons platforms (saucer separation tactic) that one of the ideas that came out of Starfleet's anti-Borg design program would incorporate a ship that takes that idea several steps further.
Well in “The Best of Both Worlds, Part II” the Borg were ultimately defeated because our heroes used their brains rather than the weaponry on their ship; in fact every engagement with the Borg in that two parter (and in DS9's pilot episode) depicted the Borg cube as being pretty much unstoppable regardless of how many starships were being thrown at it.
With Riker separating the Enterprise we did indeed witness the saucer engaging the cube in battle but it's job was really to serve as a distraction for the Borg, to hide the fact that the entire engagement was actually a smokescreen to facilitate a rescue mission to retrieve Picard. At the conclusion of that battle we learned that the saucer had lost its propulsion so it really didn't showcase the multi-pronged attack approach very well; I'd be surprised if Starfleet commissioned the design and construction of the Prometheus based on that engagement.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Prometheus is pretty cool...and pretty to look at! But in the next encounter with the Borg, I'd be sending out a fleet of Defiant class starships to 'greet' it!
+Stu047 Oh I'm fully aware of how Riker and Co managed to defeat the Borg. However the saucer separation tactic was key in infiltrating the cube and surgically abducting Locutus. It's not difficult to imagine a Starfleet think tank going over all Borg engagements and brainstorming new ship ideas and coming up with the Prometheus, among other ideas. The Prometheus is a one-of-a-kind prototype as far as we know... perhaps a pathfinder. It is also not unreasonable that since the Defiant proved itself against the Dominion and more Defiant-class ships were manufactured as a result, Starfleet would dust off the Prometheus and see if they could find some use for it during the Dominion War. We know Starfleet was exploring the idea of a new anti-Borg battle fleet (DS9 "The Search, Part 1")... there's room for the Prometheus in there.
+Darin Wagner Only 2 things. The Galaxy Class wasn't the first ship designed to separate for combat purposes. Second the Prometheus Class is a Tactical Cruiser, not a Escort ship. Also, the other ship that Sisko mentioned was actually the Nova Class. But the Nova actually ended up as a replacement for the Oberth Class while the Defiant got mothballed due to performance issues.
Yup. Full episodes on this one coming up soon with the the designer Rick Sternbach
The 3 sections are designed to work together thru computer control, like a fighter pilot & 2 drones fighting a common target. In the show (Voyeger) the computer coordinated the attack on one ship with the 3 sections.
The original Star Trek ship design was that the sauser section was a "lifeboat" section, not a fighting tool. I read the paperback edition, The Making of Star Trek, years ago.
As to the saucer warp nacelle - why not have two tucked into the side of the ship extending when needed?
There was two nacelles on the saucer section, one at the top and bottom where the middle section separated from. The Warp core in the secondary hulls is one large M/AM assembly that splits in 2 when multi-vector assault mode is activated. Its why there's the 10 second countdown. It enables the smaller warp core in the saucer to take over powering the whole ship while they shut down and split the larger M/AM reactor into two. When the ship is in multi-vector assault mode the bridge acts like a CIC on naval vessels on a fleet command ship controlling all the parts from sections on the bridge.
I always thought that those sections on the dorsal of the saucer were layers of ablative armour protecting the fusion reactions for the multiple impulse engines in that section of the ship.
26:00, I think the tiny warp engine is sooooo cute. :3
I have a few comments about both the warp core and the engines. I think everybody is taking for granted that the warp core is only for the warp engines, but from many of the episodes when they transfer to secondary power which I believe to be nuclear it diminishes the capability for the whole ship to include phasers and shields. So the warp core does not have to be specifically for the warp engine only. On the warp engine on the saucer/arrow section the design does not make sense to me based on the rules for warp engines, even if they were on the inside based on design it would not be large enough to encompass the whole section. I believe the saucer section is probably not warp capable just from the rules. The purpose of having the warp core would then make sense in that it would power the sheilds, phasers, and impulse engines.
I do love the Prometheus-class design, but what I think could look great is if they extended the secondary hull for the separated saucer section and had six nacelles. We've seen six nacelles work on other designs, and it would technically address a few of the issues people have with the design. Thoughts anyone?
I think that the rectangle areas with the ridges on the saucer section could retract and have beefier warp nacelles that rotate and lock into position.
I just got the egalemoss model of the Prometheus last week and I love it. the Prometheus is quickly becoming my favourite ship. this is also another awesome episode as per the trekyards norm great job!
I think is is a great class of ship. From the fist time I saw this on Voyager, it just made me do a double take and I had to rewind and watch it again. I would like to see more of this ship.
Definitely the best looking of the ships that do separate.
Don't know if this has been covered, but, the reason the 3 seperate pieces can fire phasers at warp while attacking the Nebula class is because the phaser beams themselves are surrounded by an annular confinement beam to counter effect the issues of traveling at warp.
Also, with regards to the saucers sections warp engines. There is an identical small warp nacelle that desends into the open cavity left behind from the middle warp section.
Great episode as always. Keep up the great work!
@ Sturat. To answer your question. Yes I belive the other sections actualy are since i belive according to restricted specs those other sections are controlled by the the computer cores which are also operated from the main bridge located on the saucer.
To my understanding, the primary hull has an underslung warp nacelle which extends into the gap created by the secondary hull. It's not visible from the front, however.
In my mind, one of the reasons the forward swept pylons work is because they mimic the angle at the rear of the primary hull.
Regarding the bridge, definitely smaller rather than more populated; it's a tactical ship, so it doesn't need a lot of science stations.
0:37 -Awesome INTRO Captain!
1:31 Sam says he likes the bottom (I kid)
4:18 Diagram has shuttles on the separation plane.
7:45 The saucer has 2 warp nacelles
8:50 Galaxy is mag lock clamps but as I told you before a physical connection is a fail safe in the case of power loss. You have to think like an engineer.
12:00 The features on the Hull are Field Enhancers like Voyagers
16:00 The only thing this ship has in common with Icarus is the four engines. The ships body looks more like the Vorcha.
25:05 According to the Episode The Nebula class ship caught the Prometheus while traveling at warp 9.9 and all sections of the ship maintained that speed for attack.
-This ship has never shown Quantum ability.
-Prometheus canonly has the most powerful phasers in Star Fleet *133 Petawatts*
-There are no hardpoint for torpedoes any where on all three 'ships'
-The ship lacks any aft mounted phasers (except the saucer)
-Agree with the Captain the Suacer would look better with real warp engines.
-There is no room for Docking Clamps in the head of the Bottom ship.
I don't care for the ship.
It's bad idea. Why make 3 in 1 when you can just send 3 ships?
The Saucer engines are too small. If you could use such small engines why have the large engines on the same ship?
It's interesting but...meh ship of the week.
+saquist You make some excellent points but let me throw some at you.There are few rear mounted phaser arrays true, but due to the firing arc that phaser arrays have combined with the rapid maneuverability of all 3 ships, rear phasers may not be needed.
I am no expert on warp nacelles or how the work in theory but a possible answer is they were designed for short sprints and not prolonged usage. But I agree, they do look useless.
There have to be docking clamps or else you wouldn't get that bump just as the ship was about to separate (I know that's an Assumption but it makes sense).
Lastly, and this is a Star Trek error, neither the Nebula Class or the Defiant class can Warp at 9.9.
Walter Payne Good theories sir.
Based on my understanding of how power generation works within the Trek world, the warp core is used almost exclusively to power the warp engines in the nacelles. The nacelles actually draw power instead of generating it, so a smaller nacelle for the Prometheus's unshapely saucer section (I've never liked primary hulls which don't look like a saucer) would mean less of a power drain (but also, as you stated, a lower top speed).
According to the tech manuals, primary power is generated by the fusion reactors which also power the impulse engines. Each section does not only need to be equipped with a warp core and warp engines, it also needs to be equipped with impulse engines and fusion reactors to power all its non-propulsion systems. Only during TMP (and possibly with the Miranda's 'megaphasers') do we see the warp core powering anything other than just warp drive.
The main issue I've got with the Prometheus design is the multi vector assault idea. I've often joked that Starfleet started building ships which fall apart at the first sign of trouble. This MVA mode seems counterintuitive to me. Not only does it mean you have to have a huge number of systems in triplicate, you also need a full outer hull on the ship's insides, which takes away a lot of internal space (of which the ship doesn't have much to begin with). Sure, it doesn't need much in the way of crew facilities such as lounges, holodecks and what not because it's got holoemitters everywhere, which is great during leisure time, but there's only so much combat prowess you can pack into that limited space.
You effectively reduce the shield strength and armour rating of an individual section the moment you split the ship in three. As an opponent, assuming equal overall power/offensive and defensive rating, it would be easy to focus your fire on one section, destroy it, and move on to the next, rather than having to try to take down the stronger, combined shields of all three sections at once, shield facings which can reinforce one another (kind of like we see on Star Trek Online with the transfer shield strength ability).
I think the only reason the Prometheus is capable of defeating that Nebula class and also that D'deridex with such ease is because they're old ships, while Prometheus has computer-controlled attack precision (you can see no input by the crew is needed, so you eliminate biological reaction times and limits to coordination) and more powerful weapons. Against the D'deridex, a design easily thirty to forty years older than the Prometheus, it's really no contest, especially not with an Akira and two Defiants supporting so (counting the Prometheus as one ship) the Romulans were already outnumbers 4:3, with two of those vessels rated more powerful than the D'deridex (the Defiant was once referred to as the most powerful warship in the quadrant, after all).
I think a Sovereign class would give the Prometheus a serious run for its mo... well, latinum.
My Prometheus class ship in STO uses one of the other ship types for the struts, making them swept back. She looks like she's incredibly fast and maneuverable because of the slight elongation of the space frame. The pylons are also spread a bit more into an equilateral X shape which makes them ore prominent, adding to an aggressive look.
The point that the individual segments of the ship are not long term self-sustaining is well taken. You truly need the whole ship for day to day operations. All of the ship's functions are not going to be duplicated in triplicate for each of the three sections of the ship. Aside from engines, weapons, and shields, only necessities like sick bays would be duplicated.
The forward swept nacelle struts are perfect since they mirror the aft contours of the saucer section and adds to the compact design indicative of a combat vessel.
The bridge is perfect for tactical purposes. It's simple, direct, you're not going to trip over much on this bridge. The epitome of simple yet elegant.
The small warp nacelles on the alpha section make perfect sense. They're not meant for full time service. Also, don't forget that there is a second small warp nacelle that extends on the underside of the alpha section during separated mode.
The bridge was actually a redress of the Excelsior bridge that was constructed for the episode "Flashback".
I first saw this ship on the episode Message in a Bottle too. I loved it. Still do. Always makes my top 5 list. I do agree that the two nacelles could have been in a better spot. Maybe built into the saucer's hull. Wouldn't be a deal breaker for me though. That said I don't think the size of the nacelles are a problem. Keeping with the idea of the other ships being controlled by the saucer section. Possibly the main isn't meant to do as much fighting. A command and control or support ship. I've never found out what those lines that looked like "stacked" phaser strips toward the back of the saucer section was. Depending on the rendering (including official ones) they don't always have the same look or color exacty. At one time I had theory. Around this point starfleet had the runabouts. The idea of ships with modular sections can be a handy feature. What if it was a modular section or a fast resupply setup when transporters aren't an option. You pull the empty. Shove in a loaded module and off you go. That said they could just be a butt load of alternate phasers of a different type. Cause if it isn't as fast as the other two it might offset by having a harder bite and more armor. That's a sturdy looking bridge area.
"Message in a Bottle." "Ship in a Bottle" was the second Moriarty episode of TNG.
"Pulse fire Quantum Torpedo Launchers" are rapid fire quantum Torpedo launchers. Like also smaller in size, but due to high fire rate it may proof to be excellent on escort usage. Ideal for short range combat I presume. And yes, it is in the top section located. See the odd looking triangle cut-out parts? That's where they go. So these torpedo launchers may as well be firing only straight forward in a 45 degree angle, which may be a serious problem.
Those strips on the sides are indeed phaser strips, if you count them, there are 5 on each side which makes 10, plus the two big ones on the nose makes 12. Although oddly enough in Star Trek online you will get Phaser Beam Banks instead that do not have the same arc as it should have.
I got the Hestia T6 version in Star Trek Online, I think it's a decent version and brings the ship back to the front lines. Decent looks, decent options and nice console coming with it! (Blue fire animations! Who doesn't like that!), Definite must buy!
I however do not yet own the original Prometheus T5 ship, so my ship can not separate unfortunately. It is however no big loss since that would only really work in episode missions and not really anywhere else. Your ship will die a lot quicker separated into 3 parts really. Nice idea, but in the game it's a pain in the ass to deal with.
(please do add it in the next video! Also comment on it of course! Feel free to contact me if you require photo's, I will be happy to show you around on that ship!)
That micro nacelle on the top (when separated) does look awkward to me, but in a awkward way also okay-ish? Making it bigger would mean that the bridge will get smaller, but having it stick out of the rear more would probably look awkward just the same. So I think it is a decent solution to this problem for this era, in the T6 era on Star Trek online however it is likely in need for a upgrade to fix that problem.
I really agree with Captain. The tiny nacelle is really an eyesore. They missed an opportunity to have 6 nacelles. It could've looked cool to have all 6 visible or like Captain suggested have the bottom two touching when the ships together with the top sections nacelles over top.
That ship looks awesome. Can't say I am a fan of the splitting aspect though. Seems over complicated.
Always been a big fan of the USS Prometheus. Keeping in mind that it was only showcased in a single episode the creative forces behind it really did pull out all the stops to depict it; we got to see its bridge, its sickbay, some corridors, a lounge... Then of course there was the CG model for which the artists involved did a fine job of realising the tricky design of the 3 in 1 ship before plunging it into a couple of cool action sequences. Yeah, we were pretty spoilt in that episode.Very much looking forward to seeing Rick Sternbach offer his commentary on its design.
The saucer has two nacelles, one at the top behind the bridge, one at the bottom inside the hull cut. They swing out on a hinged pylon. Now as for the impulse engines, you got me where they are supposed to be. Personally, I find this concept kinda dumb. There isn't a huge advantage to separating in battle compared to the cost imo. It looks neat though.
The upper secondary hull has them under where they are on the primary hull. Idk where they are on the lower secondary hull.
I would guess that the saucer section would serve a comand and control function in combat allowing the lower sections to do the bulk of the manuevering, it therefore wouldnt need the flight capibility of the other sections .
Loved this Mission Briefing guys! A few thoughts/comments on the Prometheus. In Star Trek Online each section does have strengths & weaknesses. I think the primary hull or "alpha section" has the most hull strength, but lowest speeds. The bottom or gamma section has the strongest shield as it had the main deflector. I don't remember all the specifics, but each is strongest in one area. The strengths and weaknesses also made me think of a few things. Imagine a Prometheus as a strike force all in one. The primary hull could be the command section further away from the action, the middle could be the striker, and the bottom could be a ship used for flanking or something with its ability to land, then power up and hit the opponent from the side. Stuart mentioned how awesome this ship could be for other roles. I imagine the exploration possibilities with 3 independent ships in one, they could chart a big area thoroughly and quickly. Also imagining other less glorious roles like medical relief, cargo transport, colonization, hell station construction. The possibilities make me think of the next level of ships like the Ptolemy class. Although a multi-vector ship would have to be very heavy in terms of resources to build and maintain, it could represent the future of Federation starship design. Imagine massive ships like the Enterprise-J as a multi-vector type of craft.
You can fire phasers at warp if traveling at the same warp speed.
+Joe K I think that rule was invented to help justify the use of transporters at warp. Phasers are directed energy weapons that travel at near the speed of light but that's as fast as they go; photon torpedoes on the other hand carry hardware that will sustain warp speeds for an extended period after having been launched from a ship already travelling at warp.
+Joe K the short answer is yes. The long answer is that "Warp" designates a rate of work not a rate of actual motion. Similar to saying a certain a Ferrari is moving at 350 horse power.
Baby Warp Drives - would be cool if they could pop out of four or five sections with warp conduits that connect all the cores on the ship to ultimately tap into more power.
Hmm, I do not think warp nacelles are involved in power generation, that is up to the warp core and fusion reactors on the ship. The nacelles cost power in that they pump plasma into them made by the warp core, to energize the coils, plasma that as such can not be converted into electricity to power other things when the nacelles are in use. And I think the shorter nacelles would mean they are less efficient, as in more power needed per speed of warp, which is not a problem for a ship that only have them to gain the warp option in combat and not for actual warp travel.
+Palp79 Gold star for you.
+Palp79 Bang on
I was just typing this very thing out when i thought i best go look to see if any one else has mentioned it. There is seems to be a problem with some of the fan base believing that the Nacelles produce power, they equate warp nacelles with power output. I think this comes from the TOS era when they didnt really have a clue about the systems they were depicting in the TV show and things were said that do not match up to the TNG era Cannon. One of them being that they in one show rerouted the phaser power through the warp engines to give them more power.
Now thats not how the Tech Manuals from the TNG era discribe things, but some people seem to think it still applys. They are mistaken but i am bored of telling them this.
Trekyards should know better though.
Some notes on the Prometheus ship.
The Saucer does have a top and bottom warp nacelles.
The ship only has one main bridge in the main saucer section.
Some theory and speculations.
The Prometheus was developed as a response to the loss of man power to the Federation. Hence the heavy automated systems and full ship holo emitters for the holographic doctor.
Also the multi vector attack system only being depected being used in a maneuver then resembling after the maneuver has finished.
Part of the speculation for this is based on the Prometheus being reflected as a minimalist crew ship and the middle hull having the only shuttle bay.
Also the saucer having those smaller warp nacelles making some speculate the Prometheus having a radically reduced top warp speed when separated into it's three sections.
Lastly I speculate the Prometheus was the first and only one of it's kind ship. Possibly developed in corporation with the Romulans due to the Romulans having such a clear understanding of the Prometheus systems and how to use the Multi Vector assault system.
Also in episode the Prometheus is shown to have regular photon torpedoes and not quantum.
Making me speculate the Federation provided the ship systems and weapons.
While the Romulans had helped in developing the automation and holographic systems.
Making the Prometheus more of a proof of concept ship then any sort of escort or battleship.
Also this may explain why the ship so easily owned ships from around the Galaxy class era.
this is my favorite fed ship, my most favorite ship overall though is the romulan d'deridex.
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At 8:13 "It looks aggressive" in reference to the bottom rear hull. Of course it does it has the same aggressive look as the Aries from Axanar updated to Voyager generation design.
I'd say the primary hull is heavily armoured. It takes the hits while the other two sections flank and attack.
As a couple others mentioned, the saucer's warp engines should have followed those on the Defiant, and been built into the sides of the saucer. The saucer would have been better overall if it had looked like an evolution of the Defiant, with the deflector dish extension in the nose as well, so the saucer looked like a complete ship when seperated. And a potent ship. I think we'd all agree it looks weak on its own as-is. If I were a bad guy it's definitely the part I would choose to concentrate my firepower on.
How much would it take to shoot off the little warp nacelles? Would that cripple the saucer section?
The middle and bottom sections needed a bulge in the area where the "bridge" would normally be. The rationalization for it doesn't matter. Visually, it needs to be there.
Finally I would have swept back the warp pylons on one of the hulls, so they don't mirror each other. Top/bottom symmetricallity is generally not a good thing. It's not as solidly bad here as it is on the Icarus, but Prometheus could have been more interesting if the pylons had swept in opposite directions, and it would have made it easier to tell the bottom sections apart when seperated.
hi. I believe there is another hidden warp nacelle underneath the top section. I also reckon that the small warp neclles are more so to keep the top section at high warp rather than get it to high warp.
pulse fire quantum torpedo tubes are the same as sovereign class. my understanding is that it can fire 4 torpedoes in rapid succession with a relatively short reload time - I'm guessing one fore n aft on the mid n bottom sections respectively
It would've been better if the primary hull had Defiant type engines on the command module.
The deisgn itself is nice, but umm what happens if one piece is destroyed or severely damaged? It can't very well put itself back together can it? And why not just use 3 Defiants or something? And when it separates in combat, what if one piece is knocked around out of control and collides with the others? I never understood the logic of this ship.
I think having an extra set of traditional nacelles would be a bit much for the saucer but ones where they glowed out the back a bit like the Defiant. Or built in and glowing on the bottom like a Ferengi Marauder would have been a better option than the two teeny weeny pop up ones they went with. The thing I didn't really like in the episode was that it split, but then stayed close together and fired forward phasers at one Romulan ship, completely negating the point of separating. They could have performed that attack while still joined.
The Prometheus was designed to combat the Borg and Dominion threats, so I don't believe it'd be any more fragile while separated than an Intrepid-class with ablative armour.
I think that the three separate parts would have substantial regenerative, multiphasic shielding on their own, but with all three parts having their own separate shield emitters I imagine that the combined mode would have "triple shielding"* to take on the massive firepower of Dominion capital ships or a single Borg Cube while the multi-vector assault mode would be used to hunt less powerful, light-armoured vessels such as the smaller Jem'Hadar fighters and Borg probes the former which could harass the bigger ships of the line with impunity and you don't want the Borg to report back.
I'd love to hear Rick Sternbach's thoughts on how they imagined the shield emitters to work.
*Like the Scimitar had primary and secondary regenerative shielding but with added tertiary.
I want to hate the tiny little warp nacelle but I can't make myself do it. Perhaps a prototype for smaller, harder to target engines.
I wonder if this ship had a 5th nacell on the top (like a dreadnaugh class) if it would look good with all three parts toguether. At least it would make almost a kelvin class for the saucer separated.
In STO my main go to ship for my TAC is the Promethius/Hestia, I also really like the spear head design of it.
Same here, i use a hestia class, tier 6, it's really powerful
I wish the saucer section had two tucked in nacelles like the Delta-flyer
I would guess the ship is held together by phsyical clamps given how the seperation seemed to violently jolt the ship in the Voyager episode.
I would imagine that the Prometheus would have a total of 5 torpedo launchers when undocked, 2 on each of the stardrive sections (one forward & one aft) & one on the saucer. I would also figure on 6 more phaser arrays when undocked, 2 on the bottom of the saucer, 2 on the bottom of the middle stardrive section, & 2 more on the top of the bottom stardrive section. While I do agree that the saucer nacelle is a bit small in comparison it does look to be a good size for the saucer. One final note, I honestly thought that they were going to start a new series with the Prometheus. It was introduced in season 4 & I thought we were going to get a new series during Voyager season 5 (much like we got DS9 during the 5th season of TNG & Voyager during the 5th season of DS9). It would have been a great ship to use. Early seasons would have shown her putting out brush fires in the aftermath of the Dominion War.
Sweetest trek ship ever # 1on my list
Did anyone else have 4 video ads randomly interspersed? They'd cut Samuel and Stuart off mid-word.
Love the Prometheus Class!! The saucer when separated, looks like an arrowhead!! A definite BATTLESHIP!! I think this ship would be part of an exploration group. It's silly to think only one ship would be sent into the galaxy by itself. That's the only thing that's really bothered me about Star Trek. We all know that the Navy sends a "Carrier Group" out on patrol. I think Starfleet would do the same.
If there were a fleet of ten, could they be re-pieced together at random so as to be more efficient and make extraction quicker? Or would there be some type of security interlock?
what if the singular warp engine on the sauser is more ment as a warp sustainer drive.
I agree the little warp stub on top is just... ehh. Personally I would love to see those panels on the side open up to have two larger nacelles that kinda swing out. After all you're already splitting the thing into three.
Hey captain just so you know in the Saucer section it has 2 warp nacells. One on top and one on the bottom.
The prometheus's bridge was a redress of the excelsior bridge, not the Ent E if I recall correctly... I like the design, but I'd prefer the white glowy things at the edge of the saucer to be the saucers warp engines- kinda like the defiant...
+Fox Piano Yep, I prefer light and airy... Like the Enterprise-D! - Very Herman Zimmerman! :)
Yea This same shot you might Find in one of your Eagle Moss Magazines featuring this same shot. The Nebula Class Ship i think is mm the USS Honshu? i think?
I think if you want to have the Prometheus as a u s s trekyards there is a naval tradition you might have missed . I think it goes like this if a captain is in command of more than one ship at a time does that make the captain an admiral .
I feel the same about that teeny tiny warp acelle.
What do you guys think of the other STO variants to the Multi Vector Escort based on Prometheus, especially the newly released Hestia Class?
The tiny warp nacelle on the saucer is just bad and looks very weak. Maybe compact warp engines like the ones on the Defiant class would work better for the saucer.
Do you plan on talking about any of the 26c ship's from STO?
A cool episode about a cool ship! I really like that one and going into the details in a full trekyards episode will be awesome! Personally, the very sharp edged design doesn't really feel very Starfleet-ish to me most of the time, but then again, I think it speaks for the evolution in Starfleet designs that come up with more interesting shapes and ideas in that time period.
The Icarus from renegades doesn't seem that different compared to the prometheus class. It almost feels as if these could've been two designs that were planned and just one was more practical as an addition to the fleet in general, while the icarus program was stopped in some way to make that ship as unique as it is.
I'm wondering if the gray straps on the saucer are meant to be mission specific weapon mounts.
It's a tough and good looking ship from most angles, I'm not a fan of its front view with the saucer looking like a pyramid. I also agree with Captain Foley about the saucer section, it looks odd on its own.
What might need further discussion is how such a tough and advanced ship was overcome by Romulans, and then how it was able to fire on one of its own (the pursuing Nebula) via voice command of an imposter.
I defiantly prefer the Cerberus class from STO, with the smaller saucer and backwards angled pylons. (In game I've got the Prometheus upper and lower hull, Cerberus saucer and pylons, and the Prometheus nacelles)
...I sometimes look at it and wish sto would give us the option to loose a set of engines and pylons, then it would look like a little sovereign/intrepid hybrid
The whole ship had holodeck emitters. An remember this was probably the 2nd or 3rd federation ship design to be a war ship.
I would like to have seen two more integrated warp nasals on the primary hull, something like Defiant nasals, instead of the little extending one.
must be pretty large landing struts, with how far down the lower nacells reach
I think it would make more sense if there was a Fifth Full Warp Nacelle on top of the primary bridge section instead of that tiny retractable one. It would make more sense with functionality and I don't think it would hurt the aesthetic. It would look similar to the "future" Enterprise from "All Good Things..." with that third nacelle in the middle.
Either that or 2 more nacelles maybe half the size of the other four on each side of the primary bridge section. But that would be a total of six and might look like a bit much.
I think the soucer could have 2 Warpnecells attached to the bottom and be between the saucer and the middle part of the ship
There are 2 small wrap engines bringing the total up to 6.
This ship would have made a good series and a natural progression of the star trek timeline.
I would have to agree with Captain Foley, I don't like the tiny warp nacelle. I would have liked it a bit better with the nacelles built into the main hull.
Could you do the Defiant/Valiant class next?
Love the design but wish the nacelles were a bit larger and pushed outward a tad.
You forget to mention the most interesting part of the ship. Andy Dick is their EMH. :)
So, in the episode about the Titan you've mentioned the Gene's guidelines of construction of a starship. When Prometheus separates, the primary hull (with a bridge) extends warp nacelles, which are out of line of sight of each other. Isn't that a problem, both technical and aesthetical?
I love the Promethus class now they need a bigger version
It can I am sure separate into 2 pieces to avoid the small warp nacelle.
Try the updated ones of the Prometheus class.
Love your stuff guys! Keep it coming! Obviously you guys really enjoy STO. Will we see STO specific ships on your page? Namely I'd love to see the Odyssey get some love.
would've thought the seperate sections would've been commanded via engineering
Mid section looks like a Nova class without a deflector dish
Why is this ship named Valiant? Wasn't the Red Squad Defiant class named Valiant?
I also hate the piddly warp engines. Some fans envision a version of the ship that doesn't separate, ditching separation gear and the piddly engines for added science ability for a multimission vessel not so bent on tactical use.
the ship in my mind it one of militarize vessels was comission post wolf 539 so like the defiant class or uss vengeance from in to darkness in a way very non starfleet design
I do not like the small necell on the primary section. I think it would look more aesthetically pleasing if there were two warp necells tucked into the primary section that then deploy when the ship separates.
I recall somewhere that Michael Okuda said the registry number NX-59650 was in error on screen and the Art dept had already done the shots so they weren't gonna change it. I think he said the Registry was supposed to be NX-74913 to match some of the interior designs he had done for it. See here under Background Info: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Prometheus_(Prometheus_class)
My Dreamship, thx Guys!
Separated into three pieces, does the Captain become a Commodore (their own little fleet)
The whole thing smacks of hokey to me. Sure, it has eye candy, but I have a tough time believing this thing is a warship.
And lets not forget, if the center unit is crippled or destroyed in combat, you have two units that are unable to do anything but wander around together.
I was about to comment individually but to the same point, I was hoping that the first and third were able to join together. I have never found an official notification that the could, but have also never seen a notification that the could not. The top attachable front layouts to two and three look awfully similar.
I do think this design has potential but i dont like 4 nacelles part and that it could split in 3 parts. It seemed too complicated to be made by Star fleet.Just have 2 longer nacelles and loose ability to split then it is awesome design.
This ship ran for 3 centuries seen in episode with Enterprise J.
I think the saucer section should have had a set of warp engines like a defiant class. not that puddle little thing it has