Why we should be worried about the Metaverse & the Attention Economy
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- Опубліковано 3 кві 2022
- Tristan Harris joins the Disrupted Workforce Podcast for a discussion on INTENTION vs ATTENTION. He also dives into risks of the #Metaverse, toxic business models, and attention as a superpower.
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Tristan Harris is the Co-Founder & President of the Center for Humane Technology.
One note: As part of Tristan's welcome, he is credited with being the first whistleblower on Big Tech. We wanted to clarify that he was one of many calling attention to the harms of technology.
Hi Tristan and team, CHT i am learning english language and i doscovered you 1 year ago, and i am learning news topics and new words with you. Your are amazing. Grateful from Colombia
Thank you, Tristan for all you do for us. Mad respect ✌️ Because of you, I have hope that more individuals in the tech space will step up and communicate honestly with the public. The awareness that you spread is well appreciated and needed. Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words!
Thank you very much this is very insightful! Keep up the great work you are doing!
Thank you! And will do.
The ending was wholesome af!
Triston - I was shocked when I noticed your videos are 1 yr to 3 years old. And little to nothing has changed with better controls on the internet. Algorithms still control my UA-cam viewing by constantly showing me what I don’t want to see based on one lousy search. Does it help to constantly delete my history and expunging my video listings? I would love to get some conversations on this. Thanks.
YOU are AMAZING and prophetic. I have to believe God is using you to awaken the world on what is going on. Seriously….. THANK YOU for all that you do.
Thank you for following our work
I love your videos Tristan, could make a video about how pharmaceutical companies effect social media and the free flow of information on here?❤
Keep up the great work. It is so very important.
Love from Pakistan Tristan Harris!
I like the two podcasts of the casino with Natasha she explained it well I mean she brought her own findings and she says it with such positive voice that its good feeling to listen to it.
She said some good points, so it helps to keep the awareness of it.
Here are the links to those podcasts for others (and thanks for listening to #YourUndividedAttention!)
Part 1: What Happened in Vegas -- www.humanetech.com/podcast/1-what-happened-in-vegas
Part 2: Should’ve Stayed in Vegas -- www.humanetech.com/podcast/2-shouldve-stayed-in-vegas
Guest: Natasha Dow Schüll
Its not a case of whether people "want" to live and work in the metavers, its a case of whether they/we can.
Human skills and behaviour are built into us over the 100,s of millions of years that it took for us to evolve.
The skills needed to interact with the metaverse are completely unatural, and thus will need to be learned and how much time and effort will be needed to learn those skills, will they come naturally, or will it be just a few that can adapt to operate in the metaverse?
That being the case, a whole new level of "so called elites" will emerge! And we had all better hope is that we are in that elite group becuse not being able to operate in the metaverse coukd make a certain number of us obsolete, and we all know what happens to obsolete products!
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This should be made into a PSA! The world is in serious trouble.
Meta style goes a lot further back than 2010, I've been on Second life since 2003, working and earning but as I have said over 30 years we're never going to go full VR it's as poor now as it was when Lawnmower Man was in cinemas.
Engagement is a good thing, creative inspiration, education, etc, but not multitasking...As Ed Mylett said find a hobby or passion that distracts you from distractions.
I like that in another video of this month Tristan said that they try to personalize the news feed or content, to gain the relationship, he also was talking about polarization.
I wonder that probably the "personalization" isn´t as bad.... because it creates some values, of hobbies, arts, music, philosophy, interests. But the people have to also step back a little bit and not be too attached to the content or to youtube channels, unlearn the multitasking, to personalize the content they like but in a healthy way. Some people who teach meditation call it being attached and detached at the same time, detached emotionally, attached by action, or inspiration. I mean it shouldn´t be a supply of the real world. Probably kids in school will be educated about the personification, to like the stuff, but step back a little bit. It seems youtube videos are longer, so the rabbit hole of youtube is completely different than the rabbit hole of tik tok... I watched some shorts that youtube recommends from tik tok...and after 10 or 15 videos I had to turn it off because it seems it gets you in a rabbit hole much faster and each video was crazier and crazier and louder and annoying and it didn´t make sense, from the perspective of calmness and self-awareness. UA-cam is a more reasonable channel, but it´s good to block some ads, so the experience is better.. For example, I don´t subscribe to youtube channels, because I don´t want to be too engaged, or manipulated to subscribe, but even though I don´t subscribe, it is still very powerful to be attached, because I like some channels... But I enjoy being educated about some topics or listening to music. It´s like listening to the radio.
I like your talking and maybe do more videos like that.
I was wondering that maybe you as an organization or together with other organization may make some experiment to ask some "volunteers" who would apply on themselves some program, of being attached to internet and hobbies, but in a healthy way.....to create a program that allows you to be attached but also detached....Attached by action or inspiration and detached by emotions.
Also, a good tool is by Mel Robbins, the 5 seconds rule. If you want to take action, you know how, but you should count 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 as the rocket ship...because it activates your prefrontal cortex, and it shuts down the doubtful mind, it reduces the anxiety level and it motivates you for actions. She said you don't have to learn mediation every day and motivate yourself but just use a mantra or 5 second rule to be motivated. Metacognition is a technique that doesnt reduce the subconscious thoughts, but it makes you aware of the thoughts and feelings so you are aware more and focused on things you want.
Sometimes people dont want to listen devices in their phones.... but when they sit in Bus and listen foreign conversations, they rather put the headphones on, so they are not bothered by conversations of other people. So they maybe want to use it less but best way is to go to park or forest, do mediation and sports etc.
First, I deeply appreciate the work you're doing. It's important and valuable, and nothing I write after this is intended to diminish that. (On a personal note, I've been worried about the impacts of social media tech since I first received a notification from FB (maybe in 2010 or so?) about a colleague playing farmville, so I'm absolutely with you on the negative impacts and the worse ones in store for us if we don't wise up. My educational background is mostly in psychology, a little in law and philosophy and political science and IT, but we can probably blame the psych for my early paranoia! Bernays' legacy freaks me the f@#* out.)
So here goes. (Noting that I am at 26:55 so might yet be pleasantly surprised) ... I keep waiting to hear something that never seems to come up in these discussions, and I am puzzled as to WHY it doesn't come up, because to me it feels obvious, common sense, whatever you want to call that sense of "why isn't anyone talking about the fact that the sky is blue?" Perhaps someone might explain it to me?
It's a question of Who Owns the Data? Why do we accept that corporations of any size can 'own' information about us? If we each had full legal rights to our own data, then we could:
1. most likely argue effectively for adversarial interoperability, forcing corporations such as FB to provide continuous access to everything they 'hold' that is about us, including our relationships with other users (which would break the monopoly over the network since we could each then choose which 'front end' to use)
2. form commons of interest, to build user-driven contracts regarding how corporations may or may not use our information or feed us information via algorithms
3. if corporations become too large and powerful, because they essentially have monopolies over platforms, work through the process of dissolving such corporations and turning the platform over to (appropriately scoped) commons governance
In essence what I'm arguing here is that our current legal economic structures WRT tech (perhaps especially social media tech) are not fit for purpose and we should be figuring out how to change THOSE into something that IS fit for purpose. As far as I can see, this is not a technical problem but a governance problem... and actually not a particularly complex one, at least insofar as knowing what the *next right step* is.
On that note, I find it utterly insane and unethical that I (and so many other non-Americans) are effectively forced to submit to laws of Delaware and other US states just because this is where these corporations were incorporated. (Yes, this issue is broader than just social media and the US... it's a problem of having the wrong scope of governance to deal with economic globalisation. We keep trying to stop a fire hydrant with a little kitchen sink plug and then complain that it's not working. Duh.)
Thank you for the thoughtful reply -- Who Owns the Data is an apt question to be asking -- and could be one component of a larger solution that we need --
"Who Owns the Data? Why do we accept that corporations of any size can 'own' information about us?"
Everybody knows corporations own our information and implicitly accepts that. Because we want all our internet platforms "free".
@@binnurbayic8291 sure, that’s how we got here. I suppose my question is around why we stay in this abusive relationship. I suspect it’s more to do with not seeing viable and convenient alternatives than a clear minded decision that ‘free’ access is worth it. (I have yet to speak to anyone who thinks it is worth it, but maybe your experience differs?)
The corporations will do everything in their power to stop us owning our own data, for obvious reasons.
And even if they did agree to hand it over and never use it, they would find another strategy for gaining power and making obscene amounts of money, the new strategy would still be abusive because corporations all work with psychopathic practices. I don't know of any corporations that are not psychopathic in nature, although their insanely expensive marketing campaigns are designed to fool us all about that! 😢
It might be less lonely than scrolling
I wonder what would happen to the fifth domain and Big Tech if 50% of the world's population think like Edward Bernays, Ron Deibert and Dan Geer. 😂😂😂
The solution is education: we should teach the new generation about Skinner experiments like we teach them about Pavlov experiments.
And it will work , the slot machine will have less power over them.
Can we leave juste one day without our phone ? Quand presque tout le monde vie deja via internet. A travers des réseaux sociaux des plates-formes numériques! J ai toujours aimé la technologie, mais a quelle point prendra t elle le contrôle de nos vies et de nos pensées. Quand la technologie prendra le contrôle de l humanité les humains ne pourront plus pensée. Je parle a ma télévision je parle a mon auto je parle a ma maison....sommes nous pas tous en trein de ce connecter a des systèmes d'exploitation, qui un jour prendront le contrôle de nos vies.
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Just try …. Just try
I am certain that many young people now would choose to interact with AI (exclusively) if they know from experience that they won't be triggered by anything that is said by it. Indeed if The person and the AI get along splendidly and it suits their emotional experience and psychology, real people would become redundant as far as emotional satisfaction ratings go. All through history people have escaped from reality in fiction stories for example so the move to AI is not a stretch. The way young people are made to fear what happens in the real world these days from moment to moment (and you can see this in the demand for safe spaces everywhere), indicates that it will come to pass that for those people with a fragile psyche, the safest space to be is the VR.
if gaming is ibuprofen, metaverse is oxy
What a metaphor!
It pains me to see your content with so few views. You need a better PR strategy.
Maybe they should do also live streams once a week or once a month, and people could submit questions, to increase the views.
We've considered this, and it's a good idea. We are a small team so biting off what we can chew at the moment.
@@alaalfa8839 They need to think outside the box. Trying to establish a new channel with youtube being as big as it is today is just pissing into the ocean. It will never be successful.
@@andybaldman But UA-cam is not Government. He is accepted in government and by his colleagues too. It's more important.