About the whole echoing hammers thing, you can echo a hammer if you take it last in room 1 and then your miniboss gets onioned by the onion vow, since echo doesn’t count onions as an eligible reward.
Ah, i never got around to suggesting the Charon version (Volcanic Flourish, Posiedon duo for a ding on the omega cast, Hestia Duo to double both dings, and if you're lucky also the Apollo duo to embiggen them even further).
Torches go "Ding", Hephy the second Titan of Time (Day 2) - Volcanic Flourish - Big blast damage + lots of poms to reduce cooldown - Blinding Sprint - Afflict Daze easily + Unlock Rude Awakening (duo) - Hearth Gain - Easily gain back magic + Unlock Chain Reaction (duo) - Grand Caldera - Increase blast damage and size for faster room clearing - Rude Awakening - +220 blast damage from Daze'd foes - Chain Reaction - Double damage from blasts - Any other Hestia core boon - Origination bonus damage Extras: - Perfect Image - Always have increased blast damage until hit - Mint Condition - Clears room quickly and pairs well with Perfect Image - Controlled Burn - Extra damage from spamming Ω Special - Any Aphrodite core boon - Unlock Love Handles (duo) - Heartbreaker - Unlock Sunny Disposition (duo) - Any Special Daedalus upgrades - More damage / faster specials
Escape sequences: Every level in Wario Land 4 has an escape sequence, with the level design being built around it. The same goes for Pizza Tower, its more recent spiritual successor.
I believe that there will likely be a cap on the amount of Heartthrob in 1.0, possibly around 3 or 6, and the damage scaled down. It's extremely powerful and universal at the moment. Also, I think there might be a change with Mel and Artemis Daggers since they serve the same purpose (Omega Attack backstab build), and idk... maybe some changes for Circe? I mean, Serenity buff is good but Momus outshines every staff by miles.
Right at the end when you didn't get the normal zeus boon, I'm pretty sure boons in tartarus can only be from minibosses or trials, so if you see a non-boss boon like that I think(?) its guaranteed to be a fountain room. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I think Hearthrobs are the biggest thing on the chopping block for nerfs. They tend to overshadow everything else in the game when present. I don't think any of the aspects need to be nerfed, as only the ones mentioned really feel as powerful as the Hades I aspects. Instead, there are many that I think need to be buffed.
Heartthrobs are just too good. Work with nearly every build and does a good percentage of the damage without any additional boons. Also, love the content as per usual.
Honestly I always hope he doesn't take Heartbreaker (he always does) because it's just op and it outshines everything else. Even in this run, where it's supposed to be a cool double Heph blast run, it ended up being just another Heartbreaker run.
@@adityakalyanathaya1388 volcanic strike is just attack damage, the mod just lists the attack boon as the source. Blasts is the actual Hephaestus blasts that the attack boon creates
What is this mod actually recording? If you watch the blasts the game reports compared to what the mod records, its way off. Is it only tracking actual damage dealt rather than tallying up numbers reported to the player, i guess? Either way, looked like a ton of fun. Nice to see heph get some love
@@Haelian Think id agree with that, based on what it was showing - although i did see a few instances of a dong going off and showing a number in-game, but nothing being recorded by the add-on - if so maybe thats a very obtuse bug weve found, the game showing overkills where 0 damage occured! Good job team :D
I really dislike the Heartthrob meta :( It feels even worse than Born Gain meta before the nerfs. It feels like it ruins the things I'm excited to see like Heph builds or the Support Fire vid. I not saying people can't play like this or enjoy it, just sharing my opinion and I understand and apologize if it's not welcome
I think a lot of people would agree with you. Heartthrob gives so much damage for really doing nothing(just spending magick which a lot of builds do by default). It’s similar to born gain in the sense that you basically just play the game as usual but it gives so much reward compared to other things to the point where it’s just optimal to take it every time. It’s damage and Pom scaling really needs to be toned down
Here's a build to turn the game into a bullet hell: Torches on Aspect of Eos Hammers: Triple Comet (most important by far), Rising Coil Also good hammers if you can't get those: Triple Helix, Clean Helix, Clean Candle Boons: Hera attack to apply hitch with the daybreaker Spiteful Strength for the specials (probably hereditary bane for the prereq, but dying wish or rousing reception could work too) Any heph boon for the prereq (mint condition is probably the best, but any work) Any cast/sprint that activates origination (apollo, aphro, demeter, hestia - with apollo, super nova + furies is more damage) Any magic regen (born gain is the obvious choice) Nimble limbs and/or nimble mind As much flourish and revelation from chaos as possible Just throw out the daybreaker and spam triple comet for a ton of projectiles that deal a bunch of damage with spiteful strength. With rising coil, bigger projectiles are just funnier, and every other upgrade is either to increase damage or frequency of the special.
They shouldn't nerf the performance of the most powerful aspects. They need to figure out what makes them fun and powerful and conceptually match all of the other aspects to those. This is a single-player game. Nerfing shit in a single-player game doesn't make sense unless it actually undermines your vision for the game or something.
Now do a Wolf Howl build with Heph dash and Heph/Aphro duo ( optional ) and the purple upgrade that makes it so that the dash build affects the Hex. Got it without trying and it'sstupidly good.
About the whole echoing hammers thing, you can echo a hammer if you take it last in room 1 and then your miniboss gets onioned by the onion vow, since echo doesn’t count onions as an eligible reward.
Counterpoint: Echo should absolutely offer a duplicated onion with an achievement for taking it
@@meulop honestly that’s a great idea for when achievements are added in 1.0
fire is mining
water is fishing
earth is digging
air is phrog (shades)
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You *can* get fire from harvesting stuff, you actually got it at 12:20 from mining in Chaos :D
Ah, i never got around to suggesting the Charon version (Volcanic Flourish, Posiedon duo for a ding on the omega cast, Hestia Duo to double both dings, and if you're lucky also the Apollo duo to embiggen them even further).
Halo had some pretty great escape sequences
Ori and the Blind Forest / Ori and the Will of the Wisps (or whatever it is called) has some cool escape sequences.
Oh yeaaaa totally forgot
Torches go "Ding", Hephy the second Titan of Time (Day 2)
- Volcanic Flourish - Big blast damage + lots of poms to reduce cooldown
- Blinding Sprint - Afflict Daze easily + Unlock Rude Awakening (duo)
- Hearth Gain - Easily gain back magic + Unlock Chain Reaction (duo)
- Grand Caldera - Increase blast damage and size for faster room clearing
- Rude Awakening - +220 blast damage from Daze'd foes
- Chain Reaction - Double damage from blasts
- Any other Hestia core boon - Origination bonus damage
Extras:
- Perfect Image - Always have increased blast damage until hit
- Mint Condition - Clears room quickly and pairs well with Perfect Image
- Controlled Burn - Extra damage from spamming Ω Special
- Any Aphrodite core boon - Unlock Love Handles (duo)
- Heartbreaker - Unlock Sunny Disposition (duo)
- Any Special Daedalus upgrades - More damage / faster specials
22:40 - "timed escape sequence"
*Descent enters the chat*
Escape sequences: Every level in Wario Land 4 has an escape sequence, with the level design being built around it. The same goes for Pizza Tower, its more recent spiritual successor.
Want to say bro fell off but I aint that cringe. Love your content. Keep it up!
Most iconic escape sequence for sure is Super Metroid, probably followed by GPW2 ;-)
I believe that there will likely be a cap on the amount of Heartthrob in 1.0, possibly around 3 or 6, and the damage scaled down. It's extremely powerful and universal at the moment.
Also, I think there might be a change with Mel and Artemis Daggers since they serve the same purpose (Omega Attack backstab build), and idk... maybe some changes for Circe? I mean, Serenity buff is good but Momus outshines every staff by miles.
I'd usually take concave stone when im trying to get a lot of boons from the same god, even more in the case of Heph, who has a lot of helpful ones
Right at the end when you didn't get the normal zeus boon, I'm pretty sure boons in tartarus can only be from minibosses or trials, so if you see a non-boss boon like that I think(?) its guaranteed to be a fountain room. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Halo 3s escape sequence was so fuckin cool first time playing it
my favorite escape sequence was Monster Ock from Spider-Man for the N64
I think we got to name this build the Ding Dong Meltdown.
Metroid mentioned RAHHH
I think Hearthrobs are the biggest thing on the chopping block for nerfs. They tend to overshadow everything else in the game when present. I don't think any of the aspects need to be nerfed, as only the ones mentioned really feel as powerful as the Hades I aspects. Instead, there are many that I think need to be buffed.
Heartthrobs are just too good. Work with nearly every build and does a good percentage of the damage without any additional boons. Also, love the content as per usual.
it's definitely going get nerf hammer alongside aspect of charon. i predict they'll buff axe melee and spin but nerf special/heartbreakers.
Honestly I always hope he doesn't take Heartbreaker (he always does) because it's just op and it outshines everything else. Even in this run, where it's supposed to be a cool double Heph blast run, it ended up being just another Heartbreaker run.
Whats the difference between volcanic strike and H blasts in mod meter
@@adityakalyanathaya1388 volcanic strike is just attack damage, the mod just lists the attack boon as the source. Blasts is the actual Hephaestus blasts that the attack boon creates
Don't think they need to nerf anything. Doesn't hurt anybody. Just buff the things that are underperforming if possible
No one's gonna mention RE4's escape sequence eh?
What is this mod actually recording? If you watch the blasts the game reports compared to what the mod records, its way off. Is it only tracking actual damage dealt rather than tallying up numbers reported to the player, i guess?
Either way, looked like a ton of fun. Nice to see heph get some love
It's beyond me for sure. If it's like the mod in Hades 1, pretty sure it doesn't count overkill damage which could cause a discrepancy.
@@Haelian Think id agree with that, based on what it was showing - although i did see a few instances of a dong going off and showing a number in-game, but nothing being recorded by the add-on - if so maybe thats a very obtuse bug weve found, the game showing overkills where 0 damage occured! Good job team :D
Where's the chat? :(
We played some different games on stream lately to switch things up so these were recorded off stream. Chat will be back soon!
I really dislike the Heartthrob meta :( It feels even worse than Born Gain meta before the nerfs. It feels like it ruins the things I'm excited to see like Heph builds or the Support Fire vid. I not saying people can't play like this or enjoy it, just sharing my opinion and I understand and apologize if it's not welcome
I think a lot of people would agree with you. Heartthrob gives so much damage for really doing nothing(just spending magick which a lot of builds do by default). It’s similar to born gain in the sense that you basically just play the game as usual but it gives so much reward compared to other things to the point where it’s just optimal to take it every time. It’s damage and Pom scaling really needs to be toned down
Hey, that's my build! Ty for checking it out :)
Here's a build to turn the game into a bullet hell:
Torches on Aspect of Eos
Hammers: Triple Comet (most important by far), Rising Coil
Also good hammers if you can't get those: Triple Helix, Clean Helix, Clean Candle
Boons: Hera attack to apply hitch with the daybreaker
Spiteful Strength for the specials (probably hereditary bane for the prereq, but dying wish or rousing reception could work too)
Any heph boon for the prereq (mint condition is probably the best, but any work)
Any cast/sprint that activates origination (apollo, aphro, demeter, hestia - with apollo, super nova + furies is more damage)
Any magic regen (born gain is the obvious choice)
Nimble limbs and/or nimble mind
As much flourish and revelation from chaos as possible
Just throw out the daybreaker and spam triple comet for a ton of projectiles that deal a bunch of damage with spiteful strength. With rising coil, bigger projectiles are just funnier, and every other upgrade is either to increase damage or frequency of the special.
You know its good when your blast hits for my screen resolution
Are you by chance trying to install the "Multiple Room Rewards" mod? I might know something about it, since I helped building it.
They shouldn't nerf the performance of the most powerful aspects. They need to figure out what makes them fun and powerful and conceptually match all of the other aspects to those.
This is a single-player game. Nerfing shit in a single-player game doesn't make sense unless it actually undermines your vision for the game or something.
Escape sequences: both Ori games!
@@gazareth Bastion, too
Now do a Wolf Howl build with Heph dash and Heph/Aphro duo ( optional ) and the purple upgrade that makes it so that the dash build affects the Hex. Got it without trying and it'sstupidly good.
Hepth's method of doing, strike once and let the reverberation deals the rest.
Lets goooo dude, fun run!