when darios range is this polarized, I actually think this is a great play to get max value out of his flushes, since when dario has air you are not getting anything out of him anyways
flush beats a set if you believe he has a flush why bet I think your talking about draws to a flush darios lost pretty much on the flop should have taken headphones off lol
Damn it deleted my own comment by mistake have to retype :( : Love these - Thanks Alec nice break down. Dario was very polarised from the start and I think this was a great example of overbetting + position. Phil knew what Dario have been trying to represent but Dario had no idea what Phil's holdings are until the very end when he faced 2X overbet. At that spot Phil is polarised to : Either nut flush/full houses or pure bluff. Very tough spot to call in a tournament and these kind of plays are seen more often than in our small stakes. I think he should have folded too but I think at that spot Dario had a thought of "what if I know that he knows that I know" type of plays might cross his mind. And he decided to bluff catch and ended up paying Phil. Sick play by both.
Really good analysis on your part Alec. I saw this video earlier this week and thought that Ivey's image could really play a part in him jamming the river. Like you said, Ivey is one of the few players that can make this jam on a bluff and Dario knows that. that being said there are very little bluffs in ivey's range. i think i would fold to preserve my stack in Dario's spot since if he folds, he still has plenty of play left with 130K in chips. (about 90-100bb). Jason also does a great job of commenting on the hand. For those of you who don't know him, check out Jason Somerville's twitch account. he's very entertaining and also provides pretty good insight.
+Stephen Horvath I agree. There are really no bluffs that make since from Phil. Dario was repping so much strength. For a bluff to be viable, phil would have to know dario has the very bottom of his value range which is tough considering how the hand played out.
Hi Alec really appreciate that you are taking your time and doing these awesome videos! Really found this series about betting to be good for my game and all the other videos that you make are just so awesome. I have a question to you, I have found out that in many tournaments I find my self in really tricky SB vs BB spots and when I look throw some of my tournaments history I have noticed that I often bust my tournaments in these spots. So back to my question , I would love if you could and have the time and interest to make a strategy series about SB vs BB spots , when to play big pots when to just limp vs BB and so on because I think that it's really easy to make big misstakes. Anyways keep up your good work !
I was watching this video over the weekend... great action. At first I put Phil on a pair of 8's... either way he made the boat on the river. Great break down Alec!
Great bet by Phil! The way Darios played til this point, he had either a bluff/a very strong hand, and he wasn't gonna get paid by anything on the bluffs anyways. The flushes that are very much in his range too (he check/raised and then led out on the turn for half pot), he would probably call too. Though I dunno, he would've been more likely to get a call from those low, suited connector flushes if he bet around pot (I would, if I had that flush, be able to call maybe if I had to be right 50% of the time, but 66%? When there's a good chance he has a big flush, maybe not). Does the bet make it seem more like a bluff/semi-bluff though when compared to a half pot bet? When you think of why he'd bet that much deeply, maybe not (if he had an ace high flush, and looked at how Darios played, he would've wanted to extract max value) but it could be a way to get people off worse hands. But calling it off with a straight seems impulsive either way. So many combos of flushes/boats (phil ivey did seem a little concerned calling before compared to how he played the overbet, but maybe that's because I'm watching knowing he'd win loll) vs bluffs, + it's for your tournament life.
+Nikhil Autar Yeah, good points. Something it makes me think of is what purpose would there be to check-raise this flop? Either to get a good hand to put more money in or to get villain to fold. With the speed at which Dario ch'd flop it might make me think it was to get a fold. Also, he's not getting any sets to fold but also shouldn't overinflate the pot vs sets due to all equity they still have vs a flush on the turn (10 outs ain't bad). Also good point about how - due to the depth of the stacks - it's yet another reason that it's less likely for Ivey to be bluffing here. I agree it seems impulsive to call it off with a straight. I think if you're going to haul it off on this board with a straight, you should max your leverage by shoving the turn.
Alec, I know that you said that you like Sammartino's check raise on the flop, but it's a single-raised pot with a high SPR. Check raising an OESD w/ an over OOP is an unnecessary gamble, add to mix you're OOP against one of the greatest players in the world that can easily sniff out a bluff if any piece of the story doesn't make sense and the flop becomes a clear check call w/ good equity. Checking the flop and exercising some pot control is good damage control against a nightmare river OOP against a super aggro player. I don't feel that I'm being results oriented just bc Ivey fulled up on the river.
That's awesome you got to see Naples AND talk strategy with Dario! Cool point about how this scenario plays more like a cash game since the stacks are so deep ( ≈100xBB ) First thing I notice is how quickly Dario checked flop. Phil C-Bets 1/2 pot (25% break-even rate bet), which gives any 33% draw average odds for the 4/5 times they don't hit on the turn (because 8 or 9 outs x 2 ≈ 20% [generous/safe estimate] = 1/5 times). WHY would Ivey give decent odds for a draw??? Then, when dario check-raises the flop, it makes me wonder if he would do this if he flopped a flush. Dario KNOWS Ivey is giving good odds to a draw, so why would he quickly check the flop then check raise if he had a made hand? Also cool point about how Ivey will be CB'ing most the flops and that it's especially hard for Dario to have smashed this flop. Also cool point how it's a great check-raise by Dario since he can't win the pot on the river with J-high and it just makes it really hard for Ivey to continue (if Ivey doesn't have anything) and it gives him more ways to win the pot and it gives him more info about the hand (as hard as it must be to get info vs Ivey). Also cool point on the river how it doesn't usually make sense to bet the river for Dario since there are no worse hands he can get value from. Especially cool point about how there's not usually any reason to 2xPot bet the river on a bluff if a small bet will accomplish the same thing (since it has to work ≈ 67% of the time). I love the irony in how betting more can sometimes look weaker like you're just trying to steal ~_^
I disagree that Dario is either check folding or check raising this river, I think Dario will be check calling his flushes here so the overbet looks like he's trying to get him to fold a flush. The 2x pot shove is supposed to always be the nuts so it would be a good spot to turn all Tx and Ahx hands into a bluff. Pretty sick spot where you can argue for calling or folding but I think folding is better with this particular hand
+Brandon Sheils Great point Brandon. He may check-call something like 65hh here, but that's essentially the same hand as a straight. It's essentially a bluff catcher. Ivey's BETTING range on the river is polarized. He's never going to bet worse than a flush, in my opinion, for any amount. If he has Jh9c, he'd check that because most of the time, Dario's either check-folding air or C/R with boats. The only hands in Ivey's possible betting range for value would be JJ-AA, but I just don't see him betting those in such a big pot vs. a good player like this. Dario doesn't have many Tx hands, so why bet one pair? His range is further polarized when he shoves. I think we're on the same page though, folding is best here. I guess calling with 65hh is slightly different because you block Ax heart combos. I may even find a hero with that hand though. Again, easier said than done, and easier in hindsight. Can't blame Dario too much here.
+Alec Torelli yes I agree, when Ivey bets it's a flush or better and with the sizings you could probably say Nut flush, boat or air. Even the Nut flush may not feel comfortable with this size as the hand you have is the one you want him to call with. I think we can get to this river with T8 which is a more comfortable call given the 2x pot should never be JJ-AA and we block 4 combos of flopped sets from the 9 total combos. If we call J9 with no heart we're calling literally everything which can't be good
The only thing I have problem understanding in this video is when he says that Phil Ivey could essentially bet quite small on a bluff and wouldn't need to shove since Dario either has it or doesn't. This should tip Dario off to the fact that Phil is not bluffing. But is that really true? If you bet small might not many 2 pair combinations, small straights, 7x hands, etc. continue? On such a wet board there are just MANY hand combinations that a bluff could get to fold ONLY when the bluff is large enough.
Yeah I don't understand. If Dario is check raising with a monster and check folding with a bluff, surely Phil should bet small with both bluffs and monsters.
Phil should have a balanced range for both betting large and small, which he is easily is good enough to do, and does. He's not being easily exploitable here. It's also possible for a small bluff bet by Phil to be check raised on a bluff, so it's not automatic that a small bet takes it down against air.
when Ivey called a flop reraise, what do you think he has? he can't have air or just a draw. And then he called the turn bet..he has a set pretty clearly..or atleast a straight also..maybe a lower flush
This hand is amazing! I think Dario overthought knowing is range is capped and Phil's range is polarized, but doing a move like that in complete bluff is too much also for Phil in a Freezeout. Occam razor. You have a big stack there's no reason to risk the tournament in this spot for both
really intresting hand. i think the intrasting spot is on river. im fine with both sides how the arrive to the river. so when i am in darios shoes on the river i would like to have almost only a X rang. because i think phills range are JhJx + , flushes, pair + ♡ or fullhouse. his calling range is rally nerrow (small flushes or overpaar ? ). so if we bet we only get raise when he has a full house and mabye the nut flush. but by let him bet we can easyly x/raise our fullhouses/nutflush and our 9x or Tx as a bluff and put his hole range in a toughe spot beside fullhouse. flushes and straits a easy calls vs >/=pot. so our hand the J9 should be a easy fold vs 2x pot on a river where it is really hard for Ivi to weake up withe air. i cant see Ive doing that with 1 bluff combo, or a hand what would make sens to turn into a bluff best combo (AhTx ?). but i am note shure if i could find this solution ingame. what do you think guys ? im intrestet in different toughts. please let me now if you cant get somting. sorry for my mistakes languge wise.
if i am in Dario situation i might let it go, at the river would check call a sizable bet from ivey maybe pot size i will still call 2 x pot size too crazy, no point risking here. if you are capable to bluff in this spot this over bet i give it to him. if ivey have air here what kind of hand ivey wanted to dario fold? its abit ambitious to want Dario to fold a flush if dario have air too a small amount will make dario fold.why bet so big . so in the end i will fold more often.
So if his flop raise polarizes his range to flushes and (semi) bluffs, why does his range on the river become full houses hes checking to trap and bluffs? Daarios flop CR allows him to credibly rep all of the flopped sets and all of the flushes, so when he checks this river Ivey must know he has a bluffcatcher (as he would likely barrel river with his now full houses). Daario would also expect phil to fire this particular river as its one that decreases relative hand strength for a flopped flush. Iveys river sizing is super optimal vs an opponent who takes this line is going to be +EV in the long run because he gets max value from all flushes and semi-bluffs which catch up and folds out all of his air (which would be checking to give up anyway)
+Alex Richardson I've gained so much more respect for Ivey since I've actually been studying poker in this last year. I used to think he was just kind of quiet and grumpy or something and maybe not a very good sport. The more I've seen though, the more he's now one of favorite players because I realize a lot more now than I used to about how much there is to pay attention to at the poker table. Therefore, he's not being rude when he doesn't chat, he's just trying to gather as much info as possible with as little energy consumption and stay focused on his goals. My favorite 6 players now in no order are Gripsed, Alec Torelli, Tom Dwan, Gus Hansen, Doyle Brunson, and Phil Ivey. Peace, GL, and never give up! 2016 is your year!!!
1. Over bets work well when your range is uncapped and your opponent's is capped. The paired river created this situation the way the hand played out, which Ivey recognized and exploited.2. Ivey needs to work some bluffs in his range here, or else Dario will have a snap fold. He doesn't need many though, because there are so few nut hand combinations. 3. The math says Dario needs to call 1/3 of his range here to not be exploitable. I don't see how Dario's hand fits the bill here. Perhaps Dario had a live read that pushed him to call. It seems to me there are better hands to bluff catch with.
he check raise the flop but the bet on the turn seems small flush drw is not folding nor is a set.probably he could have folded the river then.
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In Dario's postition I'd overbet (1,5-2x) at the turn to put pressure on Phil and Phil will proly fold at this point - you've a straight and there is a flush draw...
Sammartino could have something like 7x here that he backed into? But yeah, I agree that there are not many hands that you'd want to try to fold out with an overbet bluff.
Phil could absolutely have been bluffing this river. He makes overbet bluffs with thus run out, and his opponent knows this, which is why it worked as a value bet.
i dont know, but when PI shoves he has nuts and that was my thought before reveal he had 1010. flop play made sense. he flopped top set and he would continue even against potential flush hoping board paired. no way he risks tourney life on river.
Ivey got lucky, is the bottom line. He had to know he was in trouble before that. However, sets get there 33% of the time by the river, so....well Ivey is the master, no doubt about it.
The lesson to be learned here, is that 2x bets on the river are oftentimes bluffs online, BUT HE IS PLAYING PHIL FREAKIN IVEY! THAT MAN IS A LITTLE KID COMPARED TO THE WORLD'S BEST PLAYER
I don't think Phil would risk like that without making full house. 0.62 of pot would done same though Phil knew his hand just beat on the river. Bad call
I put him on set of 8s. only Phil can go from set of 10s to fullhouse on the river verses a straight he gets luck with his great play. Phil would bluff in exactly the same way.
Guess Phil wanted him to think he is bluffing by bet so big on the river. it looks suspicious. Especially Phil know that he had something. it will be hard for him to fold.
think Darios hand was a fold doesn't matter if your the best or worst in the world its just to easy to make excuses to stay in it and how smart you were after the fact was a speculative hand missed the flop drop it no amount of this or that will change that he didn't even have a flop to bluff from I mean really lmao and no watch it again ivey not betting air darios went to river without a pair even omg from the betting ivey knew darios floating on air trying to get most money in holy cow lmao oops i mean ivey trying to get money in sorry
lol. huh? You talking about the check raise bluff on the flop? The turn bet when he hit the straight? Or the 2X OB on the river? Your comment makes no sense.
Usually bad idea to play for straight on Flush board. Worse idea to call on flush and full house board. Terrible idea not considering what you represent (the flush, straight, two pairs) was not being respected.
Wow, I'm blown away at your analysis Alec. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us fishies...
+Bin Jin thanks man, much appreciated. check out other videos if you are first time here. Start with #Handoftheday playlist. Cheers
This was great! learned a lot from this video thanks a lot Alec!!
when darios range is this polarized, I actually think this is a great play to get max value out of his flushes, since when dario has air you are not getting anything out of him anyways
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+MikeBizzle87 ?
+AH17293 Pulp Fiction reference, maybe?
bacchys aaa good spot
flush beats a set if you believe he has a flush why bet I think your talking about draws to a flush darios lost pretty much on the flop should have taken headphones off lol
Awesome, I gotta watch this a few times tomorrow. Thanks for the tips.
Really solid logic here alec! This helps out a lot, love your vids dude
Awesome video. Need to watch it at least 5 times to possibly understand a fraction of this fantastic play! Thanks Alec. :)
+Goonjan Mall hahahah, I guess that's a good thing. Learn from the master.
Damn it deleted my own comment by mistake have to retype :( :
Love these - Thanks Alec nice break down.
Dario was very polarised from the start and I think this was a great example of overbetting + position. Phil knew what Dario have been trying to represent but Dario had no idea what Phil's holdings are until the very end when he faced 2X overbet. At that spot Phil is polarised to : Either nut flush/full houses or pure bluff. Very tough spot to call in a tournament and these kind of plays are seen more often than in our small stakes. I think he should have folded too but I think at that spot Dario had a thought of "what if I know that he knows that I know" type of plays might cross his mind. And he decided to bluff catch and ended up paying Phil. Sick play by both.
Really good analysis on your part Alec. I saw this video earlier this week and thought that Ivey's image could really play a part in him jamming the river. Like you said, Ivey is one of the few players that can make this jam on a bluff and Dario knows that. that being said there are very little bluffs in ivey's range. i think i would fold to preserve my stack in Dario's spot since if he folds, he still has plenty of play left with 130K in chips. (about 90-100bb). Jason also does a great job of commenting on the hand. For those of you who don't know him, check out Jason Somerville's twitch account. he's very entertaining and also provides pretty good insight.
+Stephen Horvath I agree. There are really no bluffs that make since from Phil. Dario was repping so much strength. For a bluff to be viable, phil would have to know dario has the very bottom of his value range which is tough considering how the hand played out.
Hi Alec really appreciate that you are taking your time and doing these awesome videos! Really found this series about betting to be good for my game and all the other videos that you make are just so awesome.
I have a question to you,
I have found out that in many tournaments I find my self in really tricky SB vs BB spots and when I look throw some of my tournaments history I have noticed that I often bust my tournaments in these spots. So back to my question , I would love if you could and have the time and interest to make a strategy series about SB vs BB spots , when to play big pots when to just limp vs BB and so on because I think that it's really easy to make big misstakes.
Anyways keep up your good work !
+wallezzz Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it!
I was watching this video over the weekend... great action. At first I put Phil on a pair of 8's... either way he made the boat on the river. Great break down Alec!
+James Gilliam Yeah, it was cool at first to not know what Ivey had, lol.
Absolutely top drawer analysis, particularly of the river overbet. Great work.
Great bet by Phil! The way Darios played til this point, he had either a bluff/a very strong hand, and he wasn't gonna get paid by anything on the bluffs anyways. The flushes that are very much in his range too (he check/raised and then led out on the turn for half pot), he would probably call too.
Though I dunno, he would've been more likely to get a call from those low, suited connector flushes if he bet around pot (I would, if I had that flush, be able to call maybe if I had to be right 50% of the time, but 66%? When there's a good chance he has a big flush, maybe not).
Does the bet make it seem more like a bluff/semi-bluff though when compared to a half pot bet? When you think of why he'd bet that much deeply, maybe not (if he had an ace high flush, and looked at how Darios played, he would've wanted to extract max value) but it could be a way to get people off worse hands.
But calling it off with a straight seems impulsive either way. So many combos of flushes/boats (phil ivey did seem a little concerned calling before compared to how he played the overbet, but maybe that's because I'm watching knowing he'd win loll) vs bluffs, + it's for your tournament life.
+Nikhil Autar Yeah, good points. Something it makes me think of is what purpose would there be to check-raise this flop? Either to get a good hand to put more money in or to get villain to fold. With the speed at which Dario ch'd flop it might make me think it was to get a fold. Also, he's not getting any sets to fold but also shouldn't overinflate the pot vs sets due to all equity they still have vs a flush on the turn (10 outs ain't bad).
Also good point about how - due to the depth of the stacks - it's yet another reason that it's less likely for Ivey to be bluffing here.
I agree it seems impulsive to call it off with a straight. I think if you're going to haul it off on this board with a straight, you should max your leverage by shoving the turn.
Nikhil Autar you smart
Alec, I know that you said that you like Sammartino's check raise on the flop, but it's a single-raised pot with a high SPR. Check raising an OESD w/ an over OOP is an unnecessary gamble, add to mix you're OOP against one of the greatest players in the world that can easily sniff out a bluff if any piece of the story doesn't make sense and the flop becomes a clear check call w/ good equity. Checking the flop and exercising some pot control is good damage control against a nightmare river OOP against a super aggro player. I don't feel that I'm being results oriented just bc Ivey fulled up on the river.
He leveled himself. Analysis complete!
Alec you seem like a cool dude thanks for all the great vids.
Thanks Alec great analysis as always.
That's awesome you got to see Naples AND talk strategy with Dario!
Cool point about how this scenario plays more like a cash game since the stacks are so deep ( ≈100xBB )
First thing I notice is how quickly Dario checked flop. Phil C-Bets 1/2 pot (25% break-even rate bet), which gives any 33% draw average odds for the 4/5 times they don't hit on the turn (because 8 or 9 outs x 2 ≈ 20% [generous/safe estimate] = 1/5 times). WHY would Ivey give decent odds for a draw??? Then, when dario check-raises the flop, it makes me wonder if he would do this if he flopped a flush. Dario KNOWS Ivey is giving good odds to a draw, so why would he quickly check the flop then check raise if he had a made hand?
Also cool point about how Ivey will be CB'ing most the flops and that it's especially hard for Dario to have smashed this flop. Also cool point how it's a great check-raise by Dario since he can't win the pot on the river with J-high and it just makes it really hard for Ivey to continue (if Ivey doesn't have anything) and it gives him more ways to win the pot and it gives him more info about the hand (as hard as it must be to get info vs Ivey).
Also cool point on the river how it doesn't usually make sense to bet the river for Dario since there are no worse hands he can get value from.
Especially cool point about how there's not usually any reason to 2xPot bet the river on a bluff if a small bet will accomplish the same thing (since it has to work ≈ 67% of the time). I love the irony in how betting more can sometimes look weaker like you're just trying to steal ~_^
+McGavel1 Awesome extra stuff on your blog too. Thanks again!
I think a navaga would really take your videos to the next lever
I disagree that Dario is either check folding or check raising this river, I think Dario will be check calling his flushes here so the overbet looks like he's trying to get him to fold a flush. The 2x pot shove is supposed to always be the nuts so it would be a good spot to turn all Tx and Ahx hands into a bluff. Pretty sick spot where you can argue for calling or folding but I think folding is better with this particular hand
+Brandon Sheils Great point Brandon. He may check-call something like 65hh here, but that's essentially the same hand as a straight. It's essentially a bluff catcher.
Ivey's BETTING range on the river is polarized. He's never going to bet worse than a flush, in my opinion, for any amount. If he has Jh9c, he'd check that because most of the time, Dario's either check-folding air or C/R with boats.
The only hands in Ivey's possible betting range for value would be JJ-AA, but I just don't see him betting those in such a big pot vs. a good player like this. Dario doesn't have many Tx hands, so why bet one pair?
His range is further polarized when he shoves. I think we're on the same page though, folding is best here. I guess calling with 65hh is slightly different because you block Ax heart combos. I may even find a hero with that hand though.
Again, easier said than done, and easier in hindsight. Can't blame Dario too much here.
+Alec Torelli yes I agree, when Ivey bets it's a flush or better and with the sizings you could probably say Nut flush, boat or air. Even the Nut flush may not feel comfortable with this size as the hand you have is the one you want him to call with. I think we can get to this river with T8 which is a more comfortable call given the 2x pot should never be JJ-AA and we block 4 combos of flopped sets from the 9 total combos. If we call J9 with no heart we're calling literally everything which can't be good
The only thing I have problem understanding in this video is when he says that Phil Ivey could essentially bet quite small on a bluff and wouldn't need to shove since Dario either has it or doesn't.
This should tip Dario off to the fact that Phil is not bluffing.
But is that really true? If you bet small might not many 2 pair combinations, small straights, 7x hands, etc. continue? On such a wet board there are just MANY hand combinations that a bluff could get to fold ONLY when the bluff is large enough.
Yeah I don't understand. If Dario is check raising with a monster and check folding with a bluff, surely Phil should bet small with both bluffs and monsters.
Phil should have a balanced range for both betting large and small, which he is easily is good enough to do, and does. He's not being easily exploitable here. It's also possible for a small bluff bet by Phil to be check raised on a bluff, so it's not automatic that a small bet takes it down against air.
when Ivey called a flop reraise, what do you think he has? he can't have air or just a draw. And then he called the turn bet..he has a set pretty clearly..or atleast a straight also..maybe a lower flush
Hey Alec, why don't you play PLO? Or mixed games? Don't you think that NL texas is getting very competitive?
This hand is amazing! I think Dario overthought knowing is range is capped and Phil's range is polarized, but doing a move like that in complete bluff is too much also for Phil in a Freezeout. Occam razor. You have a big stack there's no reason to risk the tournament in this spot for both
Good feedback Vittorio.
great stuff man
really intresting hand. i think the intrasting spot is on river. im fine with both sides how the arrive to the river. so when i am in darios shoes on the river i would like to have almost only a X rang. because i think phills range are JhJx + , flushes, pair + ♡ or fullhouse. his calling range is rally nerrow (small flushes or overpaar ? ). so if we bet we only get raise when he has a full house and mabye the nut flush. but by let him bet we can easyly x/raise our fullhouses/nutflush and our 9x or Tx as a bluff and put his hole range in a toughe spot beside fullhouse. flushes and straits a easy calls vs >/=pot. so our hand the J9 should be a easy fold vs 2x pot on a river where it is really hard for Ivi to weake up withe air. i cant see Ive doing that with 1 bluff combo, or a hand what would make sens to turn into a bluff best combo (AhTx ?). but i am note shure if i could find this solution ingame. what do you think guys ? im intrestet in different toughts. please let me now if you cant get somting. sorry for my mistakes languge wise.
How big is the factor of a shot clock here in your opinion ?
if i am in Dario situation i might let it go, at the river would check call a sizable bet from ivey maybe pot size i will still call 2 x pot size too crazy, no point risking here. if you are capable to bluff in this spot this over bet i give it to him. if ivey have air here what kind of hand ivey wanted to dario fold? its abit ambitious to want Dario to fold a flush if dario have air too a small amount will make dario fold.why bet so big . so in the end i will fold more often.
So if his flop raise polarizes his range to flushes and (semi) bluffs, why does his range on the river become full houses hes checking to trap and bluffs?
Daarios flop CR allows him to credibly rep all of the flopped sets and all of the flushes, so when he checks this river Ivey must know he has a bluffcatcher (as he would likely barrel river with his now full houses). Daario would also expect phil to fire this particular river as its one that decreases relative hand strength for a flopped flush.
Iveys river sizing is super optimal vs an opponent who takes this line is going to be +EV in the long run because he gets max value from all flushes and semi-bluffs which catch up and folds out all of his air (which would be checking to give up anyway)
So beautifully played by Ivey, he very likely put him on his exact hand.
+Alex Richardson I've gained so much more respect for Ivey since I've actually been studying poker in this last year. I used to think he was just kind of quiet and grumpy or something and maybe not a very good sport. The more I've seen though, the more he's now one of favorite players because I realize a lot more now than I used to about how much there is to pay attention to at the poker table. Therefore, he's not being rude when he doesn't chat, he's just trying to gather as much info as possible with as little energy consumption and stay focused on his goals. My favorite 6 players now in no order are Gripsed, Alec Torelli, Tom Dwan, Gus Hansen, Doyle Brunson, and Phil Ivey.
Peace, GL, and never give up! 2016 is your year!!!
+Alex Richardson He wouldn't bet so much if he knew that Dario has the street. He put him on a flush
Torelli, you got some good shit bro!
tx for the vid and the others
It's obvious why Dario called. He thought the all-in was actually less than 135k.
If any tourist was listening into this video.. They'd be like wtf??
1. Over bets work well when your range is uncapped and your opponent's is capped. The paired river created this situation the way the hand played out, which Ivey recognized and exploited.2. Ivey needs to work some bluffs in his range here, or else Dario will have a snap fold. He doesn't need many though, because there are so few nut hand combinations. 3. The math says Dario needs to call 1/3 of his range here to not be exploitable. I don't see how Dario's hand fits the bill here. Perhaps Dario had a live read that pushed him to call. It seems to me there are better hands to bluff catch with.
he check raise the flop but the bet on the turn seems small flush drw is not folding nor is a set.probably he could have folded the river then.
In Dario's postition I'd overbet (1,5-2x) at the turn to put pressure on Phil and Phil will proly fold at this point - you've a straight and there is a flush draw...
Sammartino could have something like 7x here that he backed into? But yeah, I agree that there are not many hands that you'd want to try to fold out with an overbet bluff.
Ty 🙏
Phil could absolutely have been bluffing this river. He makes overbet bluffs with thus run out, and his opponent knows this, which is why it worked as a value bet.
i dont know, but when PI shoves he has nuts and that was my thought before reveal he had 1010. flop play made sense. he flopped top set and he would continue even against potential flush hoping board paired. no way he risks tourney life on river.
You mentioned that Ivey wouldn't bluff here because he can't rebuy. Actually it was day 1 and rebuys were open until the start of day 2
+zekeboy24 I wonder how many chips you get on a rebuy.
McGavel1 you get 200k chips I'm pretty sure. That would be at the minimum 20BB's at the start of day 2
zekeboy24 100k chips was the rebuy, same as the starting stack
Can you explain to us how to properly overbet with an extra hidden 10k?
If Dario is check raising with a monster and check folding with a bluff, surely Phil should bet small with both bluffs and monsters.?
Ivey got lucky, is the bottom line. He had to know he was in trouble before that. However, sets get there 33% of the time by the river, so....well Ivey is the master, no doubt about it.
This guy is Cesc Fabregas' lookalike !
The lesson to be learned here, is that 2x bets on the river are oftentimes bluffs online, BUT HE IS PLAYING PHIL FREAKIN IVEY! THAT MAN IS A LITTLE KID COMPARED TO THE WORLD'S BEST PLAYER
+Gary Gwinn Lol, good point!
I don't think Phil would risk like that without making full house. 0.62 of pot would done same though Phil knew his hand just beat on the river. Bad call
I put him on set of 8s. only Phil can go from set of 10s to fullhouse on the river verses a straight he gets luck with his great play. Phil would bluff in exactly the same way.
Guess Phil wanted him to think he is bluffing by bet so big on the river. it looks suspicious. Especially Phil know that he had something. it will be hard for him to fold.
so to simplify the gibberish.....ivey flopped a set , caught the full house on the river and goes all in
think Darios hand was a fold doesn't matter if your the best or worst in the world its just to easy to make excuses to stay in it and how smart you were after the fact was a speculative hand missed the flop drop it no amount of this or that will change that he didn't even have a flop to bluff from I mean really lmao and no watch it again ivey not betting air darios went to river without a pair even omg from the betting ivey knew darios floating on air trying to get most money in holy cow lmao oops i mean ivey trying to get money in sorry
Why is that the best hand he can get away from? He could not fold a flush? Why not?
No more videos.
in PLO this would be an easy fold
You're a fucking genius
ikr :P
+Patrick Allen Captain Obvious, you've done your duty.
+Patrick Allen We all hate 2x pot shoves on the river in PLO
Hahahahah just the next italian pure "calling station" status noob
Juanda had trips
that's what happens when you slowplay
lol. huh? You talking about the check raise bluff on the flop? The turn bet when he hit the straight? Or the 2X OB on the river? Your comment makes no sense.
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Usually bad idea to play for straight on Flush board. Worse idea to call on flush and full house board. Terrible idea not considering what you represent (the flush, straight, two pairs) was not being respected.
what a fish!!!
Phil is boss
bad riv call
Why do you say dario like that lol
He's has a bad case of up-his-own-ass-itis. Would be hilarious if you mirrored the accent of every single person you were referencing.
You are really smart, but you talk too much.
Really solid logic here alec! This helps out a lot, love your vids dude
+Sandaah K9 Appreciate that!
:Yeah, Alec is the bizzle.
Alec you seem like a cool dude thanks for all the great vids.