@8:08 "I'm about to Bury you. King of The Dot Champ versus the king of the Dot Tramp I'ma trample through. You begged for this now I'm bedding you. The man you Demanded. This man will Dismantle you. Tsk yeah they chant for you...yeah they chant for you, but if they were no chants there'd be no chance for you. Helicopter. Propeller choppers . The fans carry you. " -Pat Stay R.i.P. Pat Stay the Sucka Free Bouse.
Came back to watch this battle today. Was fortunate enough to see this one in person and it was incredible. Charrons line at 12:30 hits extremely hard today. RIP Pat.
Yo son seriously!!!! I caught that and was like “fuckin WOW” he also mentioned stabbing him to death at some point during this battle and I was like “yeeeesssh……” that just didn’t sit well with me at all.
Ever since I saw this battle, for the last 7 years, every time my wife would buy something gluten free I would say to her "I'm sucka free you gluten free, uhh that ain't got nothing to do with me" she didn't even know where i got it from but it would always make her laugh and it became one of our things. Thank you Pat. Live on King.
It’s hard to watch these two tear each other limb from limb knowing they became brothers. I met Charron on the Darkside after Pat’s funeral. He was incredibly down to earth, and all class.
"I've done more for this culture than you could ever imagine, we depend on my classics, if I didn't beat Arcane, our chain would of changed from metal to plastic would've never of lasted, we were peddling backwards, on the last thread of the patch on our Letterman jacket's." RIP Pat....
Oh come on...all this hate for Charron. Whether you agree with the judges or not - whether you like him or not - you cant say he didnt have any good bars or atleast deserve this battle
I'm not bias. Charron is speaking not rapping. Cadence is needed for anyone to rap. Pat stay had angles,personals,flow,bars,crowd control,swag,and visibly got to charron. When he said I'll always be a superior human being and charron gets pitty from people(Charron spent a round talking about his autism)I knew pat won.
Stewie Griffin nahhhh dat dont mean shit....cuz obviously you lost the purpose behind why he said that...it tied Pat stay allegedly threatening homie that had cancer and treating illnesses as a joke..Also that he's comfy in his own skin while Pat Stay is fake...but what you said about cadence and all that is true..its like he thinks of punch lines first n sloppily finds fillers to tie them together....
pat won it. even if charron had done that hollohan shit he planned for round 3, pat would've still taken the other 2. charron was just trying to get punchlines in, pat actually broke down charrons entire style, persona, delivery, the way its changed etc. thats why he wins every title match
***** yeah word im a fan of charron. his bars are nice, but even the nicest bars dont mean shit when somebody is stood 2 feet away breaking down your entire LIFE
This is like my 10th time watching this battle ... after watching hundreds of other battles I still got to say Pat Stay took this 2-1. It's not all about bars and lyricism , it's about breaking your opponent down, cleverness, versatility of flows and style and dominating . Pat stay is a master at all traits in my book
Battles are literally about bars and lyrics the facts U would grade the battle on anything else shows u literally no nothing about battle rap. You being a good entertainer shouldn’t win u a RAP BATTLE this shit sound goofy af
how are you from the darkside but cant use your hands solo... you would have lost in new york cuz you ran from marv like kevin mcalister... just to name a couple.
Charron is so good his delivery is just too choppy. Be like Rone. Pat delivers his bars like poetry that's the problem. Charron get on that level. Rone has it.
I agree so much, he relies so heavily on his punchlines that I feel he gets alittle blinded by the crowds reaction and loses focus on putting it together,
Yeah he's greater than other rapper, I've been watching his video for five months then I just even looked his serious face when he was speaking on his enemy, by the way
And his voice to nasally with a high tone like he got a Cesar salad and bologna sandwich stuck in his throat. I think pat stay was raised with black people and non colonizing whites lol he prolly smell like gucci guilty ...
Ay yo We sad right now Bout to rewatch a bunch of Pat right now He's gone to heaven but at least he's drinking Hennessey with Big and Pac right now Rip Pat
This battle is very hard to judge. To me the first round goes to pat stay because he brought a killer combination of great stage presence, cadence, delivery, metaphors and multi syllabic rhyming. Charron took the second round with all those fire punch lines. The third is so debatable for me. Pat stays delivery, freestyle and personals was epic and intimidating but it was short. Charron done remarkably well not to choke and managed to replace his prop with good bars and some freestyle. But unfortunately I have to choose pat because he showed me the difference between a rapper with great skill and a rapper with the whole package. Charrons body language changed in the third when pat started to lower his voice and crush his whole image. Charrons bars were more clever but overall pat stay 2-1
BlackStarNain BSN best reply I've ever seen on these forums. I have no clue how people are seeing this as a body for Charron. i think Pat's Bars were unconventional (monologish) where as Charron's were very basic (setup, punch) you made a great point about a rapper with great skill vs a rapper with the whole package.
Gabriel Nova +Gabriel Nova i agree. I dont see how people think charron beat pat, LET ALONE think he was ROBBED. You can think he won, whatever, but dont sit here and say he was ROBBED. You got a lot to prove saying something like that. "I am the star you try to align with, i am the man on top of the moubtain you try to climb, open your eyes kid, im just a more superior human besides this, and it eats him alive, my perfections reflect the weakness inside..." Talking about Charron's hygiene, cheapness, when he showed the disabled person he brought, when he ripped on him for playing the weak, underdog card....i mean tally score alone i cant see how pay stay lost....so i really dont understand the claim that charron was ROBBED. Gtfo of here. On another note...that brunette at the end of the video on pat's side was amazing....mmmf whoever is with that is one lucky mf
BlackStarNain BSN respect on the breakdown. This is my second viewing of this battle. I watched when it dropped, then again just now. First time i gave it to Pat...on the second watch, it was Cory. I wont say body bag by any stretch, but Charrons punches hit harder this time for whatever reason. 1-pat) he just came out hard, no flaws 2-Charron) pat seemed flat, tripped up no choke just wasn't as powerful as Charrone 3-Charron) not by much, the personals were HEAVY for me, but to Pats credit, it didnt fuck with him the way it was intended to. Much respect to Pat Stay tho. That 3rd could have gone either way. Again, thanks for the analysis and your thoughts on the battle. Its becoming a rare thing to read.
I dont know both are good. I agree Pat took the first round. I don't know about either dude's background but Charron's punchlines were crazy. That telephone, eve, and Seahawks line were crazy. Also he used his past problems to his advantage. If Charron punchlines were like the phone ones all the time dude would b unstoppable. Pat's style is definitely different. But idk Charron won round 2 and 3 in my opinion.
Neo Unplugged I agree with every observation you stated. Expressing your feelings within lyricism is definitely something you learn as you live life, and I also believe you have to be a person who is real and not fake. This battle showed me that Charron can skillfully hang in the deep end anywhere, but need to experience life more and be more real to his true image.
The greatest to ever touch the stage , bars , flow , crowd presence , humor , swag . The ace of mf spades . Rip Pat you inspired me to write poetry/lyrics as much as any mainstream rapper ever has . Icon
@@tmt1675 facts bro, I shoulda written that originally BuT I never, Can’t believe I’ll not see Pat again his legacy will live on forever in BR video’s *BUT* views don’t pay his wife & kids rent / clothing ect ect ect, I hope the Go-Fund-Me goes waaayyy over the amount set ✌🏼💚🏁
Pat deserved this win and Charron's planned stunt in the third round simply wouldn't have been enough to pull him a victory. Charron lost, regardless of the Hollohan incident. Pat Stay had much more stage presence, more intricate rhyme schemes, and an overall better performance. Pat really delivers a much better performance than Charron in terms of stage presence in the battle. Pat is much more demanding in terms of attention when he's performing (stage presence), this is because of different factors, such as body language, and gestures and motions, all these things do contribute to the overall performance. In terms of lyrical ability, Pat also took it this battle. Pat had a much more rounded approach to this battle. In the first round, Pat showcased his lyrical skills, putting together more complex bars, utilizing things such as multi-syllabic rhymes (things like "The man you demanded/ This man will dismantle you", and "Helicopter propeller choppers") and hard hitting metaphors (like "I am the the greatest/ The chain is material/ The title's a statement/ A stone my name is engraved in") He then transitions later in the round to mocking Charron through jokes, setting up the tone of his second round, which was much more of him having fun and showcasing his clever and more quick witted side. He goes back into the third round more seriously, attacking Charrron's accomplishments while simultaneously placing himself above. Charron's plan throughout this battle was a lot more linear, every round was just plain attacks to Pat's character. Every round was focused on breaking, and tearing Pat down. This isn't to say that his scheme's didn't have substance, there was just a real lack of diversity in the substance. (Look up Scynikal and Chuggo vs. Real Deal and Fresco if you'd like to see how lack of substance diversity can kill you in a battle). Throughout the battle Charron stuck to a very strict pattern of set up, punchline, and this may work for Charron, however, when Pat called him out on it, Charron should have stepped up and perhaps showcased a little more variety in style. Now in terms of rebuttals, this is where the real toss up is, Both of them had really great rebuttals. Charron's 16 bit rebuttal was amazing, and so was Pat Stay's deflated balls rebuttal. But I still would have to give the rebuttals to Pat, as Pat was able to rebuttal lines that were much more devastating. One of Charron's main points during his third round was about Kohl, and how the cancer thing wasn't true, This was a huge blow to Pat, to which Pat not only cleverly name-flipped, but responded by bringing up Joel. This was a very cunning move and a perfect set up for his third round about how he's a better person then Charron. Final decision :Pat Stay wins, despite the Hollohan drama. the judges almost unanimously went with Pat, with good reason. This doesn't detract from Charron's great performance, it just didn't stand up to Pat's ability to put on a really entertaining show.
When has battle rap turned into wwe ? To me url is like the ufc... there aint no bullshit going on over there... nothing is staged and theres no bullshit title. Kotd is like wwe... fake ass heel turning favoritism. Pat stay is the john cena of kotd. Out rapping your opponent should get you the win not stage presence wtf... you insult and clown your opponent with rhymes
Man the eulogy bars.. 7 years later they still hit so hard like it was my first time hearing them. Been a fan for almost 15 years. One of a kind for real.. Rip Pat stay👑
Real talk. I thought Charron took 2&3 and Pat fucking beasted round 1....... Honestly did not think the chain was going back to Pat and I am a Pat Stay fan.
Pat Stay is a beast! Definitely the best that King of the Dot has, they way that he makes everything so personal and the delivery is an art that only few can do, not to mention the impact he has on fans life and the effort he puts in for them outside of battling
people are quick to say pat's 2nd was weak but they don't realize the kind of talent and audacity it takes to perform on stage like that. pat's 2nd was more about showing his personality is much bigger and memorable than charron's mechanical bar spitting factory persona.
NO WAY MAN, I was watching this a few days late, reading the comments I thought people were saying he called out game and was gonna lose?!?! I have literally cried reading the headlines.... I have watched this man since grindtime.... PS has been one of my favorite battle rappers EVER... his car dealership business card was posted to his IG and I called it to have a conversation with him about my favorite lines of his battle raps.... This is unreal man...... the past 10+ years of my life have had a grip around pat and his savage bars...
Charron won wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!! He clearly had better bars . I'm a fan of both and as much as I wanted pat to win Charron deserved that win no doubt . Smh
I agree with what you said, but pat won, and one the facts that not even one person has mentioned is charron recycled alot which really shocked me as he normally always has fresh material, the Joe budden line was in suge battle, Ali shake a punch line was unan battle, that's two of the head there's alot more in there two, so pat wins not 3-0 2-1 if anything pats second was trash and pointless, could of been aimed at any battler smaller than pat which is like 99 percent of battlers
nahhh charron had some nice lines but come on half the shit he spit about pat is irrelevant like smoking crack in pop cans the whole holohan thing etc ...pat won he had more originality now charron for some reason thinks hes somebad ass gangster he shoulda stayed a nerd and that url style is getting too old everyones trying to do the same shit sounding like clones
Charron is just too lame his bars don't hit that hard no matter how good some of them. I saw how lame and fake how he tried fitting in by doing gun bars. Pat Stay is just too much of a comedian and combined with bars. He seems to be more real not trying to fit in doing gun bars. He always comes with his own style.
Steve Beardsworth It was a freestyle right? Why is it a big deal? You could do better off the top under that sort of pressure? Come on... There's a reason he's up there and we're on youtube..
I'm also not on kotd. Charron freestyled too. And better. My point is that charron had a better battle. Not that I would beat either of them lol. Troll
One of the funniest things about this battle is Charron mentioning re-using schemes "History repeating itself" etc. As good as Charron is he constantly re-uses schemes these days. Bender's "Sorry Player", he even used the B-Rabbit vs. Papa Doc "Tell them something they don't know about me" vs. Rone. There's a few more examples those are just two that come to mind. Funny to look back at some of these older battles and hear the pot calling the kettle black. RIP Pat Stay.
Great performance by Charon, but Pat just controlled the crowd. Probably the best of his career. Crowd control is real! It matters, it’s a performance.
13:54 the spirit of battle RAP , Its a small gesture but you can see Pat has the spirit and understands the full picture. RIP Pat Stay you were a great poet.
Pat Stay was one of the best battle rappers ever, and…I don’t know him personally, at all, but he appears to have been an even better overall human being. RIP, Legend.
Who did he body??? Lol I watched Calicoe literally bully him physically and lyrically for a whole battle... and pat even admitted he lost that battle along with his battle against dna 🤦🏽♂️
Top 30 POWER RANKINGS (March-2015) 1. Murda Mook (#1 Based on Record, Legacy & Latest Showings) 2. Charlie Clips (#1 Based on Talent and Upside) (HM/Emeritus) Cassidy 3. Hollow Da Don 4. Loaded Lux 5. Tay-Roc 6. Pat Stay 7. B Magic 8. Arsonal 9. Calicoe 10. Bigg K 11. Dizaster 12. Charron 13 Chilla Jones 14. T-Top 15. Daylyt (- the antics) 16. Conceited 17. Math Hoffa 18. Big Kannon 19. DNA 20. Goodz 21. Tsu Surf 22. T-Rex 23. Head Ice 24. Serious Jones 25. Aye Verb 26. Hitman Holla 27. Shotty Horror 28. Cortez, 29. O-Red, 30. Big T, HM K-Shine, Danny Myers Emeritus Illmaculate, Passwurdz (Everyone in the top 30 is "Top-tier" and good enough to beat anyone else ranked if they're not on point.) On the rise 1. T Top 2. Brizz Rawstein 3. ShowOff 4. Chess 5. Excel 6. Prep HM Big Kannon, Ty Law Top 5 Female Battle MC's 1. Official 2. Jaz "The Rapper" 3. C3 4. Chayna Ashley (- the chokes) 5. 40 B.A.R.R.S. Top 5 Most Unappreciated Battlers 1. Pat Stay 2. Tay Roc 3. Murda Mook 4. Chilla Jones 5. Qleen Paper Top 5 Stock Rising 1. T-Top 2. Pat Stay 3. Bigg K 4. Big Kannon 5. Daylyt
Get rid of pat stay diz and charron and I will agree. Because you can't mix nerd rappers with street rappers. That's like comparing a jump off to the girl next door . And get conn and arsenal out of there to I cant stand black white guy nerds I can't stand them whiggers Brooklyn I call it like I see .
I tweeted Pat a few days before he died about this video, talking about how it was the 8th anniversary of this. He said that he sat amazed that “you’d shout out Trevor D Custom Jewellery at your mother’s eulogy” rhymed. He was honestly one of the most decent people ever and a role model to us all. I hope he’s resting in peace knowing he was the GOAT. So it goes.
What Lexx just posted about Pat needs to be shared: "For those of you that don’t know, Pat Stay & the Elements League originated the written battle rap UA-cam era. Drect saw Pat which inspired him to start GrindTime & Smack saw GrindTime which inspired him to start URL. So on and so forth. Pioneer is an understatement."
Sometimes I have to wonder where Pat came up with so much creative trash to talk on these dudes. Some of the lines he drops are straight up hilarious. Have me rolling on the ground!
Hollahan was gunna come on stage and put the finishing move on pat stay which would've won charron the close third round but organik didn't let him on stage coz pat said if he did that there would be a fight therefore charron had to rethink\ alter his third throughout the battle
@@scaggly9239 Slang for it was amazing. I'm an academic scholar and research scientist that works in a University, let me enjoy my slang talk. They beat it out of you in academic institutions, but I grew up in the hood so I gotta be free on here
Nah. Pat won. And deserved to win. He broke down Charron in every way, and did more than just outbar him. Charron just tried to go straight punchlines.
Steve Beardsworth And Charron wasn't even hitting. The basic total slsughter overused scheme. The constant over use of his go to phrase "real talk". All hus rebuttals missed. Except one. Pat rebuttaled half of Charrons entire round. Even if you have Charron bars at a 10, Pat would be at a 9. While Pat would have a 10 performance, 10 delivery, 9 crowd control, as well as flow, humor, versatility etc. Charron only has bars and A lot are hit or miss. "How are you from the dark side and you can't use your Hands solo" Really? Really Charron?
Pat Stay will forever go down as one of the most deadliest, soul crushing individuals to ever hold a microphone. RIP my friend, true craftsman.
Gonna miss that man, thanks for your respect, hurts me more than I thought
What the hell, when and how did he die?
@@anthonycalifano6186 last week sometime. Got stabbed
@@anthonycalifano6186 I wanna say Monday? Got stabbed in his hometown man. They always say they town you’re from is the most dangerous. Crazy.
Yes sir Pats a fucking “SUCKA FREE” legend.
Pat you will be missed- I’m here to listen to you making magic , Ik you had so much more for us , Rest In Power
Magic is evil so stfu...
R.I.P PAT STAY WHAT A LEGEND!
Watching all of his battles with a smile on my face. RIP the Canadian GOAT.
Forgot how funny this mfer was shit got me dying
rd 1 - pat stay (clearly, no debating)
rd 2 - pat stay (edged it)
rd 3 - pat stay (nail in the coffin)
3-0 PAT STAY !!!
Nah Clips 3-0
lmfaooooooooo
Charron edged 2 but got his ass handed to him in 3.
Is he your boyfriend or something ?
Charron did enough to win rt
One of the best to ever do it. Fly high Pat, go you 🧡
@8:08
"I'm about to Bury you.
King of The Dot Champ versus the king of the Dot Tramp I'ma trample through.
You begged for this now I'm bedding you.
The man you Demanded. This man will Dismantle you.
Tsk yeah they chant for you...yeah they chant for you, but if they were no chants there'd be no chance for you.
Helicopter. Propeller choppers . The fans carry you. "
-Pat Stay
R.i.P. Pat Stay the Sucka Free Bouse.
Came back to watch this battle today. Was fortunate enough to see this one in person and it was incredible. Charrons line at 12:30 hits extremely hard today. RIP Pat.
Yo son seriously!!!! I caught that and was like “fuckin WOW” he also mentioned stabbing him to death at some point during this battle and I was like “yeeeesssh……” that just didn’t sit well with me at all.
Absolute facts 😔
Rap battle is wack
Charron has better insults, but Pat has better delivery and he makes everything sound like art.
James Osyris if pat didnt act like a bitch n fuck charrons 3rd round up we could be looking at a debatable title match here.
James Osyris charron got robbed 4-1 pat that BS
PAT STAY IS A PAINTER CHAROON IS THE PAINT PRINTER
non debatable Charon won, and that woulda sealed it.
Yes he did, Pat is in Gay porn too
Ever since I saw this battle, for the last 7 years, every time my wife would buy something gluten free I would say to her "I'm sucka free you gluten free, uhh that ain't got nothing to do with me" she didn't even know where i got it from but it would always make her laugh and it became one of our things.
Thank you Pat. Live on King.
pat stay is a master of making people laugh his pauses are more or less incredibly perfect timing
Makes him tough to beat
Understanding that timing is what separates "funny" people from comedians. I wonder if he has any background in stand-up, if not thats nutty.
His timing is the best in the game, hands down.
It’s hard to watch these two tear each other limb from limb knowing they became brothers.
I met Charron on the Darkside after Pat’s funeral. He was incredibly down to earth, and all class.
"I've done more for this culture than you could ever imagine, we depend on my classics, if I didn't beat Arcane, our chain would of changed from metal to plastic would've never of lasted, we were peddling backwards, on the last thread of the patch on our Letterman jacket's."
RIP Pat....
"A legendary status you will never establish! This is MY SHIT!!!" R.I.P. Pat Stay -Look at you go.....
Oh come on...all this hate for Charron. Whether you agree with the judges or not - whether you like him or not - you cant say he didnt have any good bars or atleast deserve this battle
Yes. Yes we can say hes trash. It's an opinion.
I meant legitimately...Yoy CAN say a lot of things, not every opinion is formed without bias
I'm not bias. Charron is speaking not rapping. Cadence is needed for anyone to rap. Pat stay had angles,personals,flow,bars,crowd control,swag,and visibly got to charron. When he said I'll always be a superior human being and charron gets pitty from people(Charron spent a round talking about his autism)I knew pat won.
That part is subjective i guess
Stewie Griffin nahhhh dat dont mean shit....cuz obviously you lost the purpose behind why he said that...it tied Pat stay allegedly threatening homie that had cancer and treating illnesses as a joke..Also that he's comfy in his own skin while Pat Stay is fake...but what you said about cadence and all that is true..its like he thinks of punch lines first n sloppily finds fillers to tie them together....
Past 1st was one of his all time bests. “The man you demanded, dis man will dismantle you”
Cold blooded.
RIP PAT
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BOOKMARK 🚨👍🚨👍
PAT STAY 🐐🪦 / CHARRON
RD 1 : 6:51 / 1:44
RD 2 : 19:16 / 12:14
RD 3 : 31:36 / 25:00
thanks
I came back to my fav PAT STAY battle's to pay my respects.
R..I.Pat Stay!
pat won it. even if charron had done that hollohan shit he planned for round 3, pat would've still taken the other 2. charron was just trying to get punchlines in, pat actually broke down charrons entire style, persona, delivery, the way its changed etc. thats why he wins every title match
***** yeah word im a fan of charron. his bars are nice, but even the nicest bars dont mean shit when somebody is stood 2 feet away breaking down your entire LIFE
Naw he got the second so he would've won
LOL,... if you watched the battle you would know Charron broke down Pat as well..
Pat got the 3rd, Charron got the 2nd and the 1st is a toss up.. This battle is closer than you think
il100374 Pat got the third bro.. He big boyed him bad. And nah I said the first was a toss up
Pats first round was flawless, bone chilling
Shove a pair of antlers through his cap like Camp Caribou
That part gives me goosebumps
Welcome back to this one everyone. Thank you for all of these classic bars, Pat Stay. Rest in peace legend.
16:24 "light up a square" and proceeds to draw a circle. Nice one Charron.
@Supreme Alpha Male You aren't aware of different hair textures are ya?
You realize a square is a cigarette too right
Do you care for the hair of a bear in a chair shaped like a circular square?
This is like my 10th time watching this battle ... after watching hundreds of other battles I still got to say Pat Stay took this 2-1. It's not all about bars and lyricism , it's about breaking your opponent down, cleverness, versatility of flows and style and dominating . Pat stay is a master at all traits in my book
Battles are literally about bars and lyrics the facts U would grade the battle on anything else shows u literally no nothing about battle rap. You being a good entertainer shouldn’t win u a RAP BATTLE this shit sound goofy af
@@garro5543 lololol
@@garro5543 who won - Goodz or Cassidy?
@@NoName-cz3wn battle with nerdy white kids and u talkin bout goodz and Cassidy go to that battle and talk about that shit lmfao
@@garro5543 tell me you never watch battle rap without telling me you never watch battle rap. 🤡
Charrons pass away bar at 12:40 hits different I'm 2023 😢
charon delivery is awful.He does have bars though
Horrific
Besides em it's hard for me to listen white rappers smh just make the culture sound corny 😪
His delivery is wretched lol but he can spit
@@IAMHe777 what about bizzy bone from bone thugs and harmony
facts... Charron's flow needs work.... badly
VERY CLOSE BATTLE!! but i think charron edged it because he had more haymakers.
Agreed. Yet he got beaten out 4-1 in a decision?? wtf.
Like you said it was a close battle. It could've gone either way man.
what battle ? charron was weak didn't hear any good punches
truBoxingfan you'll have to rewatch. The Sega flip. The Superbowl line. And those were just flips.
how are you from the darkside but cant use your hands solo... you would have lost in new york cuz you ran from marv like kevin mcalister... just to name a couple.
Charron is so good his delivery is just too choppy. Be like Rone. Pat delivers his bars like poetry that's the problem. Charron get on that level. Rone has it.
I agree so much, he relies so heavily on his punchlines that I feel he gets alittle blinded by the crowds reaction and loses focus on putting it together,
Yeah he's greater than other rapper, I've been watching his video for five months then I just even looked his serious face when he was speaking on his enemy, by the way
He has been in Philippines he was a cheerful man when he was on the stage of Philippine's rapper
And his voice to nasally with a high tone like he got a Cesar salad and bologna sandwich stuck in his throat. I think pat stay was raised with black people and non colonizing whites lol he prolly smell like gucci guilty ...
I believe it's due to slight autism
Ay yo
We sad right now
Bout to rewatch a bunch of Pat right now
He's gone to heaven but at least he's drinking Hennessey with Big and Pac right now
Rip Pat
This battle is very hard to judge. To me the first round goes to pat stay because he brought a killer combination of great stage presence, cadence, delivery, metaphors and multi syllabic rhyming. Charron took the second round with all those fire punch lines. The third is so debatable for me. Pat stays delivery, freestyle and personals was epic and intimidating but it was short. Charron done remarkably well not to choke and managed to replace his prop with good bars and some freestyle. But unfortunately I have to choose pat because he showed me the difference between a rapper with great skill and a rapper with the whole package. Charrons body language changed in the third when pat started to lower his voice and crush his whole image. Charrons bars were more clever but overall pat stay 2-1
BlackStarNain BSN best reply I've ever seen on these forums. I have no clue how people are seeing this as a body for Charron. i think Pat's Bars were unconventional (monologish) where as Charron's were very basic (setup, punch) you made a great point about a rapper with great skill vs a rapper with the whole package.
Gabriel Nova +Gabriel Nova i agree. I dont see how people think charron beat pat, LET ALONE think he was ROBBED. You can think he won, whatever, but dont sit here and say he was ROBBED. You got a lot to prove saying something like that.
"I am the star you try to align with, i am the man on top of the moubtain you try to climb, open your eyes kid, im just a more superior human besides this, and it eats him alive, my perfections reflect the weakness inside..."
Talking about Charron's hygiene, cheapness, when he showed the disabled person he brought, when he ripped on him for playing the weak, underdog card....i mean tally score alone i cant see how pay stay lost....so i really dont understand the claim that charron was ROBBED. Gtfo of here.
On another note...that brunette at the end of the video on pat's side was amazing....mmmf whoever is with that is one lucky mf
BlackStarNain BSN respect on the breakdown. This is my second viewing of this battle. I watched when it dropped, then again just now. First time i gave it to Pat...on the second watch, it was Cory. I wont say body bag by any stretch, but Charrons punches hit harder this time for whatever reason. 1-pat) he just came out hard, no flaws 2-Charron) pat seemed flat, tripped up no choke just wasn't as powerful as Charrone 3-Charron) not by much, the personals were HEAVY for me, but to Pats credit, it didnt fuck with him the way it was intended to. Much respect to Pat Stay tho. That 3rd could have gone either way. Again, thanks for the analysis and your thoughts on the battle. Its becoming a rare thing to read.
I dont know both are good. I agree Pat took the first round. I don't know about either dude's background but Charron's punchlines were crazy. That telephone, eve, and Seahawks line were crazy. Also he used his past problems to his advantage. If Charron punchlines were like the phone ones all the time dude would b unstoppable. Pat's style is definitely different. But idk Charron won round 2 and 3 in my opinion.
Neo Unplugged I agree with every observation you stated. Expressing your feelings within lyricism is definitely something you learn as you live life, and I also believe you have to be a person who is real and not fake. This battle showed me that Charron can skillfully hang in the deep end anywhere, but need to experience life more and be more real to his true image.
after watching, I thought it was a fair ruling. I had Pat winning as well, 2-1. Gave him 1st and 3rd. Charron 2nd was fire
This is in my opinion Pats best lyrics , top notch performance and my favorite from him . It has Insane replay value !!! Rest In Peace 💔
I agree... that first round intro is iconic.
@@mikeysilva4499 absolutely
“You gonna buck the heater you little fucking wiener” will never not be funny. RIP Pat Stay
When he have context to the "look at me when I'm killing you" I got chills
The greatest to ever touch the stage , bars , flow , crowd presence , humor , swag . The ace of mf spades . Rip Pat you inspired me to write poetry/lyrics as much as any mainstream rapper ever has . Icon
Jeez, Litteraly got goosebumps at pat's third round about the smack and why he is the king of the dot part..
O.o
Canada will NEVER have another like......... Pat Stay
R.I.P. 🕊🕊 fly high bro 🕊🕊
✌🏼💚🙏 😔🏴 🏁 🇨🇦😔
The world never will. Dude was beyond unique and a one of a kind!
@@tmt1675 facts bro, I shoulda written that originally BuT I never,
Can’t believe I’ll not see Pat again his legacy will live on forever in BR video’s *BUT* views don’t pay his wife & kids rent / clothing ect ect ect,
I hope the Go-Fund-Me goes waaayyy over the amount set ✌🏼💚🏁
I've never seen anyone's jaw run like Pat Stay's in a battle lol. That yay must be fuego.
that shit was 🔥🔥🔥🔥lol
straight fire, pats crazy
ueel one lol not pat who's fire we talkn bout the yay he's on
+jin slapnlamesmaxwell dats when the "crazy" apply perfectly
nah its not fire coke, he just smoked it
charron is good. but pats flow is just way better and smoother rounds overall.
Pat deserved this win and Charron's planned stunt in the third round simply wouldn't have been enough to pull him a victory.
Charron lost, regardless of the Hollohan incident. Pat Stay had much more stage presence, more intricate rhyme schemes, and an overall better performance.
Pat really delivers a much better performance than Charron in terms of stage presence in the battle. Pat is much more demanding in terms of attention when he's performing (stage presence), this is because of different factors, such as body language, and gestures and motions, all these things do contribute to the overall performance.
In terms of lyrical ability, Pat also took it this battle. Pat had a much more rounded approach to this battle. In the first round, Pat showcased his lyrical skills, putting together more complex bars, utilizing things such as multi-syllabic rhymes (things like "The man you demanded/ This man will dismantle you", and "Helicopter propeller choppers") and hard hitting metaphors (like "I am the the greatest/ The chain is material/ The title's a statement/ A stone my name is engraved in") He then transitions later in the round to mocking Charron through jokes, setting up the tone of his second round, which was much more of him having fun and showcasing his clever and more quick witted side. He goes back into the third round more seriously, attacking Charrron's accomplishments while simultaneously placing himself above.
Charron's plan throughout this battle was a lot more linear, every round was just plain attacks to Pat's character. Every round was focused on breaking, and tearing Pat down. This isn't to say that his scheme's didn't have substance, there was just a real lack of diversity in the substance. (Look up Scynikal and Chuggo vs. Real Deal and Fresco if you'd like to see how lack of substance diversity can kill you in a battle). Throughout the battle Charron stuck to a very strict pattern of set up, punchline, and this may work for Charron, however, when Pat called him out on it, Charron should have stepped up and perhaps showcased a little more variety in style.
Now in terms of rebuttals, this is where the real toss up is, Both of them had really great rebuttals. Charron's 16 bit rebuttal was amazing, and so was Pat Stay's deflated balls rebuttal. But I still would have to give the rebuttals to Pat, as Pat was able to rebuttal lines that were much more devastating. One of Charron's main points during his third round was about Kohl, and how the cancer thing wasn't true, This was a huge blow to Pat, to which Pat not only cleverly name-flipped, but responded by bringing up Joel. This was a very cunning move and a perfect set up for his third round about how he's a better person then Charron.
Final decision :Pat Stay wins, despite the Hollohan drama. the judges almost unanimously went with Pat, with good reason. This doesn't detract from Charron's great performance, it just didn't stand up to Pat's ability to put on a really entertaining show.
Also he's more polished.
dam dude....you wrote a novel for a comment and expect everybody to read tht long ass shit....smh....ever heard of sss-short, sweet, simple
Whoever doesn't read it isn't supposed to.
Mac castle and who's supposed to read it?
When has battle rap turned into wwe ? To me url is like the ufc... there aint no bullshit going on over there... nothing is staged and theres no bullshit title. Kotd is like wwe... fake ass heel turning favoritism. Pat stay is the john cena of kotd.
Out rapping your opponent should get you the win not stage presence wtf... you insult and clown your opponent with rhymes
Man the eulogy bars.. 7 years later they still hit so hard like it was my first time hearing them. Been a fan for almost 15 years. One of a kind for real.. Rip Pat stay👑
One of Charron's biggest angles was Pat relying on crowd reaction but he was the one waiting for reaction after every punchline
Imagine the shift in crowd reaction if hollohan actually swapped sides
Swega
If y'all don't see Pat's first as one of the most technically proficient , deadliest verses ever crafted in battle rap then idk what to tell you.
FOH
You ain’t wrong. Personally I think Charon got the last 2 rounds but Pat’s first was so heavy I’d still give him the decision off that.
That was God Tier
“This is line Seattle on the 1 yard line, they gone be surprised when you pass away” 😬
From the cracks in the pavement I rose, a lion amongst sheep. I am the one. The front lead and only will there ever be one me. RIP TO THE GOAT
I have a new found respect for Pat after this battle
Not Pat literally schooling Charron on how to battle rap right inside the battle. How is this even a competition?
Round 1: pat stay
Round 2&3: charron
I see a rematch in thr future
exactly what I was thinking
Charon took 3, I gave pat 1, round 2 was close
thats exactly how i had it, Mitchell
Real talk. I thought Charron took 2&3 and Pat fucking beasted round 1.......
Honestly did not think the chain was going back to Pat and I am a Pat Stay fan.
Pat Stay is a beast! Definitely the best that King of the Dot has, they way that he makes everything so personal and the delivery is an art that only few can do, not to mention the impact he has on fans life and the effort he puts in for them outside of battling
people are quick to say pat's 2nd was weak but they don't realize the kind of talent and audacity it takes to perform on stage like that. pat's 2nd was more about showing his personality is much bigger and memorable than charron's mechanical bar spitting factory persona.
Good Point.
Very good point. Stay is much more versatile.
Not weak just want as good as lil Cory. You could almost say it was a tie but I'd say Pat 2-1 with a tiny edge.
@@ucnhtmenow1 Pat 3-0. outwrote and outperformed him every round. if Charron's hallohan plan worked out that would've been an instant zip tho.
How is it possible that this battle doesn't have 1M views? This is like my 6th time watching it. Classic.
Does now finally
Check again
NO WAY MAN, I was watching this a few days late, reading the comments I thought people were saying he called out game and was gonna lose?!?! I have literally cried reading the headlines.... I have watched this man since grindtime.... PS has been one of my favorite battle rappers EVER... his car dealership business card was posted to his IG and I called it to have a conversation with him about my favorite lines of his battle raps.... This is unreal man...... the past 10+ years of my life have had a grip around pat and his savage bars...
Yo low key losing this title match was the best thing that could’ve happened to Charron. 🤔
I feel like this battle was pivotal for both Charron and Pat Stay. Sad to see someone gone way too soon
Out of all the battles i've seen and i've seen alot this is still my favorite, this is a classic for sure!!!
Disaster vs iron is pretty brutal
Murda Mook got on that Bill Cosby sweater
Still hurts to say we won’t even get another patt stay battle🙏 LLPS
12:35
And we sure fucking were... RIP to the KING STAY!
R.I.P a legend to this culture. I've heard of Pat before this battle but this one was the one that made me a fan!
"Charron gave him everything he had and when the smoke cleared he stood there smiling like Freeza "nice of you to try 😈 hehehe"" - Daylyt
That first round Pat delivered Jesus Christ that was just menacing rip to a goat just knew how to just dig into his opponents.
it doesn't matter how many punchlines you have if you're constantly straining to get your point across. charisma, is the key word here. Good job Pat
Charron won wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!! He clearly had better bars . I'm a fan of both and as much as I wanted pat to win Charron deserved that win no doubt . Smh
I agree with what you said, but pat won, and one the facts that not even one person has mentioned is charron recycled alot which really shocked me as he normally always has fresh material, the Joe budden line was in suge battle, Ali shake a punch line was unan battle, that's two of the head there's alot more in there two, so pat wins not 3-0 2-1 if anything pats second was trash and pointless, could of been aimed at any battler smaller than pat which is like 99 percent of battlers
nahhh charron had some nice lines but come on half the shit he spit about pat is irrelevant like smoking crack in pop cans the whole holohan thing etc ...pat won he had more originality now charron for some reason thinks hes somebad ass gangster he shoulda stayed a nerd and that url style is getting too old everyones trying to do the same shit sounding like clones
we want barsss .. BETTER BARSSS.. shut the fuck up.
Even without hallohan, he won the third round with freestyle alone. Pat stay is terrible. Calicoe will beat him easy
Charron is just too lame his bars don't hit that hard no matter how good some of them. I saw how lame and fake how he tried fitting in by doing gun bars. Pat Stay is just too much of a comedian and combined with bars. He seems to be more real not trying to fit in doing gun bars. He always comes with his own style.
you gunna buck the heater you lil weiner haah garbage
yup stay was nice back in the day but bra 1st and 2nd was some garbage from him
Steve Beardsworth It was a freestyle right? Why is it a big deal? You could do better off the top under that sort of pressure? Come on... There's a reason he's up there and we're on youtube..
I'm also not on kotd. Charron freestyled too. And better. My point is that charron had a better battle. Not that I would beat either of them lol. Troll
Ryan Kirk Luckily I'm not in the rap battle, and its Charron Vs Pat Stay. That's the context in which this argument exists lol.
Much love Pat, you’ve been going hard for so long man hope you finally get a chance to take it easy, rest in power!!
RIP Pat Stay, one of my favorite battle rappers of all time. You’ll be missed by many.
Charron literally killed him 💀
One of the funniest things about this battle is Charron mentioning re-using schemes "History repeating itself" etc. As good as Charron is he constantly re-uses schemes these days. Bender's "Sorry Player", he even used the B-Rabbit vs. Papa Doc "Tell them something they don't know about me" vs. Rone. There's a few more examples those are just two that come to mind. Funny to look back at some of these older battles and hear the pot calling the kettle black. RIP Pat Stay.
THAT PASS AWAY BAR HIT DIFFERENT NOW 😔😔😔
Great performance by Charon, but Pat just controlled the crowd. Probably the best of his career.
Crowd control is real! It matters, it’s a performance.
RIP
Pat lost this battle clearly 2-1. Bars > jokes
33:20 - 33:41 one of the most powerful moments I've ever seen in battle rap
Charron 29:30-30:30 was more powerful
@@logancoffey4208 No. It wasn't even close lol
Outlander cap
You must not watch much battle rap 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@logancoffey4208 That part was really good too, not better than Pat's part though. This is one of my favorite battles of all time
Rhymin' Sailer moon with Camp Caribou is seriously bodybag material.
Sarcasm?
mcna ROFLMAO!!!
Pat stay, the best to ever do it...his creativity and comedic but serious bars are unrivaled. Rip my man, sad to see u go
“The judges might rob me but fuck the verdict at the end”. charron already knew what was going to happen 😂👌
He wasn't robbed that foo is straight bonkcheeks
That 3rd round by Pat Stay is one of the greatest rounds ever
Pat Stay use to give us Way more than what we paid for He will forever be the GREATEST.
Bringing a guy in a wheelchair makes you a stand up guy 😂 RIP the GOAT
13:54 the spirit of battle RAP , Its a small gesture but you can see Pat has the spirit and understands the full picture. RIP Pat Stay you were a great poet.
"if you hear him say "cocoon" he isn't referencing a butterfly he just stuttered guys" 😂😂
Charron is so forced and Pat Stay is effortless.
15:59 when the guy whistling messes up charron is so funny lmfao
"Yo- my yo- yo- my yo my for- my"
Pat Stay was one of the best battle rappers ever, and…I don’t know him personally, at all, but he appears to have been an even better overall human being. RIP, Legend.
he said it him self, "the judges might rob me, so fuck the verdict at the end" and sure enough he was robbed
He only said that cuz he knew he’d already lost, Cherron is a joke.
Pat getting roasted about hiding in Canada years later bodies everyone in the states 🤣
In all reality, looking back in hindsight, he was saving them 😂😂😂
you're so right lmao
Who did he body??? Lol I watched Calicoe literally bully him physically and lyrically for a whole battle... and pat even admitted he lost that battle along with his battle against dna 🤦🏽♂️
Top 30 POWER RANKINGS (March-2015)
1. Murda Mook (#1 Based on Record, Legacy & Latest Showings)
2. Charlie Clips (#1 Based on Talent and Upside)
(HM/Emeritus) Cassidy
3. Hollow Da Don
4. Loaded Lux
5. Tay-Roc
6. Pat Stay
7. B Magic
8. Arsonal
9. Calicoe
10. Bigg K
11. Dizaster
12. Charron
13 Chilla Jones
14. T-Top
15. Daylyt (- the antics)
16. Conceited
17. Math Hoffa
18. Big Kannon
19. DNA
20. Goodz
21. Tsu Surf
22. T-Rex
23. Head Ice
24. Serious Jones
25. Aye Verb
26. Hitman Holla
27. Shotty Horror
28. Cortez,
29. O-Red,
30. Big T,
HM K-Shine, Danny Myers
Emeritus Illmaculate, Passwurdz
(Everyone in the top 30 is "Top-tier" and good enough to beat anyone else ranked if they're not on point.)
On the rise
1. T Top
2. Brizz Rawstein
3. ShowOff
4. Chess
5. Excel
6. Prep
HM Big Kannon, Ty Law
Top 5 Female Battle MC's
1. Official
2. Jaz "The Rapper"
3. C3
4. Chayna Ashley (- the chokes)
5. 40 B.A.R.R.S.
Top 5 Most Unappreciated Battlers
1. Pat Stay
2. Tay Roc
3. Murda Mook
4. Chilla Jones
5. Qleen Paper
Top 5 Stock Rising
1. T-Top
2. Pat Stay
3. Bigg K
4. Big Kannon
5. Daylyt
U need to put calicoe higher about 3 ranked
Get rid of pat stay diz and charron and I will agree. Because you can't mix nerd rappers with street rappers. That's like comparing a jump off to the girl next door . And get conn and arsenal out of there to I cant stand black white guy nerds I can't stand them whiggers Brooklyn I call it like I see .
DaJon Witherspoon He's a good MC, but not top 3.. Not right now.
Jon Doe A lot more goes into ranking them than just personna my man.. Its a lot more.
FreedomRyda2010 I know not now because he don't rap no more but he was one of the greatest
Let's work we all don't know how long we have to be around but but being able to come back to your work even after you gone that's a blessing
Was honestly going for Pat even after the second round beginning stumbling but when the third round finished I knew it was a clear ROB
I tweeted Pat a few days before he died about this video, talking about how it was the 8th anniversary of this.
He said that he sat amazed that “you’d shout out Trevor D Custom Jewellery at your mother’s eulogy” rhymed.
He was honestly one of the most decent people ever and a role model to us all. I hope he’s resting in peace knowing he was the GOAT. So it goes.
I want that weinnie, Oscar Mayer. And the crowd be reacting like that's some hot fire
That’s what it’s like tho!
What Lexx just posted about Pat needs to be shared:
"For those of you that don’t know, Pat Stay & the Elements League originated the written battle rap UA-cam era.
Drect saw Pat which inspired him to start GrindTime & Smack saw GrindTime which inspired him to start URL. So on and so forth.
Pioneer is an understatement."
GOAT PAT. YOU WERE SO VERSATILE AND UNIQUE. NEVER BE ANOTHER. SUKA FREE BOSS FOR LIFE.
Sometimes I have to wonder where Pat came up with so much creative trash to talk on these dudes. Some of the lines he drops are straight up hilarious. Have me rolling on the ground!
“They gonna be surprised when you pass away” wow who would of thought 😢
If you know the story behind why Charon couldn't spit his third he had prepared then you know that he got robbed
But I ain't mad pat deserves the chain
whats the story
Hollahan was gunna come on stage and put the finishing move on pat stay which would've won charron the close third round but organik didn't let him on stage coz pat said if he did that there would be a fight therefore charron had to rethink\ alter his third throughout the battle
Maybe robbed ain't the right word
Can you elaborate? Wtf happened? Some corny drama? I'm honestly curious.
damn that part where charon said they’ll all be shocked when you pass away, that shit sad man
Pat presence is way better! Charon got bars but their not really felt! Fan of both, pat 2-1
PAT HAS ME HOLLERING!!🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 He bodied him by just jokes 3-0 PAT STAY
Charrons lines are mad dope... If he just had a better voice and delivery he would be top 5.
FACTZZZ 😩🙌🏾 I fuxks WITH HIM HEAVYYYYY
That acupuncture line was absolute fire
Absolute fire? Wtf is that lol
@@scaggly9239 Slang for it was amazing. I'm an academic scholar and research scientist that works in a University, let me enjoy my slang talk. They beat it out of you in academic institutions, but I grew up in the hood so I gotta be free on here
Pats first round is so powerful. RIP a legend
RIP my brother Pat stay 🙏 💔 😪 I'm going back to back to injoy Pat memories. Love this man.
Charron got robbed! Smh people sleeping!
Nah. Pat won. And deserved to win. He broke down Charron in every way, and did more than just outbar him. Charron just tried to go straight punchlines.
Shawn Jones what about Charron's flips and rebuttals?
Steve Beardsworth What about Pats flips and rebuttals?
He didn't rhyme them lol. "Praying mantis/shaky faggot"??? Wut
Steve Beardsworth And Charron wasn't even hitting. The basic total slsughter overused scheme. The constant over use of his go to phrase "real talk". All hus rebuttals missed. Except one. Pat rebuttaled half of Charrons entire round. Even if you have Charron bars at a 10, Pat would be at a 9. While Pat would have a 10 performance, 10 delivery, 9 crowd control, as well as flow, humor, versatility etc. Charron only has bars and A lot are hit or miss. "How are you from the dark side and you can't use your Hands solo" Really? Really Charron?