Ignition Systems - Explained

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  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому +5

    So glad to hear, thanks for watching!

  • @applebitefool
    @applebitefool 2 роки тому +5

    Just came back to this for the throwback feels when I discovered this channel during my mech engineering freshman year ❤ miss the simple videos without the whole UA-cam gimmick

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому

    @ThePustr117 Close, it's actually driven by a gear connected to the camshaft. The camshaft and distributor rotor will rotate at the same speed.

  • @boriskiprich5702
    @boriskiprich5702 6 років тому +1

    My life is better and more enriched because of you, buddy, and what you do here! Love it!

  • @derekgelenaw
    @derekgelenaw 11 років тому +1

    The coil wouldn't be on the spark plug. It would be on the wire leading to the spark plug, superb vid man

  • @Nicosh1471
    @Nicosh1471 13 років тому

    I've been doing an A-level project on the car engine and your videos have been extremely useful and have helped me to understand all the processes. Thanks! :)

  • @Theis2a
    @Theis2a 13 років тому

    I have seen almost all of your videos now and you are really good at explaining all these complicated things in an easy way. I have a lot of respect for you.
    And I don't know why but it does not surprise me that you drive a Honda Integra :)

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому +1

    Fuel doesn't like to ignite unless it's reached a good high temperature. For diesel, this is even more true, so it can be useful to warm the block up before attempting to start (using the battery).

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому

    @smtbbo Timing is a topic all in itself. The crank angle to ignite the fuel before top dead center is critical in power and efficiency, as you have mentioned; I just wanted to keep this video fairly straight forward.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    The rotor is geared to the camshaft. Not sure of the voltage range. The firing order is selected so that the forces on the crankshaft are as even and smooth as possible; in combination with the flywheel it allows for the engine to stay relatively stable and not shake much.

  • @nurmogati6414
    @nurmogati6414 7 років тому

    I Nurhendratmoko, from Indonesia, is currently running the LPG Engine project.
    Ignition
    system used for 4 pieces of spark plug, I divide from the current into
    the primer coil, it takes 4 pieces of coil to power the machine, but the
    flame of each spark plug is more perfect.
    Thank you, hopefully this correction is not considered negative for the predecessor ignition of the existing system.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому

    @PirateXzibit They're made of materials capable of withstanding the heat, and they're shaped specifically so they don't absorb heat well. Yes, they're quite present during combustion.

  • @mechanix0311
    @mechanix0311 8 днів тому

    I’ve been looking for this video/ channel for years now. I watched it when it was brand new

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому

    @sgtpepperaut Correct, they get rid of the ignition coil and each spark plug has its own. Then the ECU is responsible for timing.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Thanks. HEI is high energy ignition, and it's when the coil is included within the distributor. Pretty old though don't think it's around anymore.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    There is some overlap between each cylinder and the next, so it would be more like 1.5 cylinders in each stroke, if that makes sense. Meaning one cylinder starts firing before the last cylinder is finished firing.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    I'm not sure what you're asking. If the cylinders are moving and firing, then the engine is running. If you're referring to when you start your car, and it doesn't start, it just means your power stroke is non-existent. Your starter motor creates the 4 strokes of the engine, but you don't successfully ignite the air fuel mixture, so your car doesn't start.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Correct, minor correction is the pistons are moving up and down, rather than the cylinders (as I'm sure you knew). The engine needs to heat up the air enough, and have a good balance of air/fuel to ignite the mixture.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому +13

    David Schwimmer's voice with Aston Kutcher's looks?

    • @rockclimber3045
      @rockclimber3045 4 роки тому

      Not at all!

    • @clc2328
      @clc2328 3 роки тому

      I've always thought of you as the American Brian Cox.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому

    @evanreidel22 Yes, this is something I failed to address in the video; it's geared with the camshaft, so as the camshaft makes it's full revolution, the distributor also makes one full revolution.

  • @fightingfalconfan
    @fightingfalconfan 11 років тому

    lol I was wondering during the video if you had caught that. One thing to note when talking about the fireing order on a engine is look to see where your belts are. That will tell you where cyl #1 is. but for the V design or boxer (my car subaru) you want to look closely at the air intake from the front of the engine. The cylinder that is closest to the front is cylinder number one. But I do enjoy watching your video's. You do a really good job at explaining the different system's of a car.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Yep, I noted this on my video replacing a distributor cap. I've added a note to the description.

  • @alnoviello2492
    @alnoviello2492 10 років тому +2

    Josh I have watched several of your videos. You do an excellent jobs of explaining complex engine functions. You are very knowledgeable; however, your ability to teach others with your detailed whiteboard drawings is your best gift. Keep firing on!

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Not sure what you're asking. Are you asking if a V12 will start (turn the key) faster, or something with regards to combustion instead? The engines will start in relatively the same amount of time. The V12 cylinders do not fire faster, there are just more cylinders firing, thus more frequent power strokes.

  • @alexanderrozhenko6156
    @alexanderrozhenko6156 5 років тому

    Very good explanation. The ignition system consists of an ignition coil, distributor, rotor, plug wires, and spark plugs.
    The older system used a points and condenser system in the distributor.
    These days this is all handled by ECU (the brain of car engine).
    For more detail on the ignition system, visit Hs-tronic.
    Please keep sharing your knowledge with us.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому

    Not necessarily, but it likely does as it sounds like it's newer, distributors have been phased out except for in small (non-automotive based) engines.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    The tension wire connects the ignition coil to the distributor.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Yes, the spark plug is only needed for the power stroke, and it takes two revolutions of the crankshaft for each power stroke to occur (each cylinders power stroke). With a 4 cylinder engine, this would mean 4 power strokes for every 2 revolutions of the crank, 1 power stroke for each cylinder.

  • @Integra621
    @Integra621 10 років тому +1

    When explaining it on your integra you have the cylinder numbers backwards. The number 1 cylinder is on the timing side (driver side) which correspond to the numbers seen on the spark plug wires. The firing order works out to be the same though, you are just starting out 2 strokes behind TDC: 4-2-1-3. Just might be a little confusing for other integra owners (like me :D). Love your videos. Keep up the good work!

    • @jalins6
      @jalins6 6 років тому

      Integra621 that was the perfect comment. Positive reinforcement with a minor clarification.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому

    @Nicosh1471 You're welcome, glad I could help!

  • @brother_maleik
    @brother_maleik 3 роки тому

    Wow 10 years ago! Great stuff man, you always kill it!

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому

    I certainly try to with my newer videos.

  • @3DPeter
    @3DPeter 12 років тому +1

    (part3) the firing order is also important, because it smooths out the forces on the lenght of the crankshaft. Remember that each powerstroke is a controled explosion, so
    each piston is hamering on that part of the crankshaft where its mounted, so you must spread the "hamering" equaly over the length of the crankshaft. so 1234 would not be good, because then you would to much load at once at one side of the crankshaft, so first 1, then 3, then 2 then 4. get it?

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    You are very welcome, thanks for watching!

  • @7150285
    @7150285 8 років тому +4

    ignition coil or ignition coil pack have primary and secondary winding as well. To produce 22,000V from 12V of the battery.

  • @Drifting50
    @Drifting50 11 років тому +3

    Can you explain how this would look from a V perspective (as in a V4), like which cylinders would move with which other cylinders? Also, what would be the firing order for a V6 and bigger engines?

  • @JayPatel-hf4bn
    @JayPatel-hf4bn 10 років тому

    This really helps in my vehicle technology module in university, Great videos man!

  • @CarsSimplified
    @CarsSimplified 5 років тому +2

    Oh man, the Teggy! Definitely a staple of old school EE!

  • @iamonlyusingthisforo
    @iamonlyusingthisforo 12 років тому

    Your videos are awesome man you explain things clearly and know exactly what you're on about. Anything i've wanted to know about cars i've been able to find on your channel

  • @zacharyvogel4331
    @zacharyvogel4331 10 років тому +32

    how does the distributer stay at the right speed so the spark plugs go off at the right time?

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  10 років тому +56

      zachary vogel Great question - it is geared to the camshaft so it spins at the correct RPM.

    • @zacharyvogel4331
      @zacharyvogel4331 10 років тому +11

      I had a feeling it was something like that, thank you :)

    • @etunimi4206
      @etunimi4206 7 років тому +7

      Engineering Explained Hey, you sure are helping a self taught "technician" out.
      Thank you !

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    It's geared with the camshaft to rotate together.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Oh my bad, I have trouble reading. Direct ignition doesn't have a distributor, and each spark plug has it's own set of coils. The ECU controls the timing and tells each spark plug when to fire.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    The battery. The alternator is simply used to recharge the battery (or maintain its charge).

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому +3

    Thank you, I really appreciate it!

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому +1

    Very welcome, glad you learned!

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    This is assuming you have a 4 cylinder engine, and those are the strokes cylinders 2, 3, and 4 are one while 1 is in the power stroke. And the rotor passes the spark along to each cylinder.

  • @poundmcfurious7788
    @poundmcfurious7788 9 років тому

    You sir have good taste in cars. Integra (any year) is one of the most reliable and easy to work on quasi-sub-sports cars I've ever driven and loved. I would prefer a '91 to '95 NSX just for sheer enjoyment but the teg is in that uncanny valley of just useful enough as an everyday car and still fun to drive. Need to do a suspension job though. Mine's all mushy after 20 years (still original and fine like wine) but stopping power and body roll is a reason to take corners with a light touch. But damn, they run like a top if you take care of them. They do not seem 20 years old or 200k miles in the slightest except for the tape deck and the seals slowly starting to go ;)
    Love the videos!

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Regulated by the camshaft, which it is geared with. (1:1)

  • @joshG1513
    @joshG1513 6 років тому

    do a video on just wires! the different types and why distributed resistance wires (old school type) have such high resistance! This is something I personally never really understood. Good chance to talk about EMF and radio frequency interference

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому

    I will have a video eventually on power generation, this will basically explain it. Nothing up yet though.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Good idea! I will add that to the list.

  • @haydenm2397
    @haydenm2397 6 років тому

    It's so cool to travel back in time to these videos, you've made so much progress! I can't say well done enough! ❤️

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      @santanadash7571 3 роки тому

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      @ianbenicio1035 3 роки тому

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      @santanadash7571 3 роки тому

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    • @ianbenicio1035
      @ianbenicio1035 3 роки тому

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  • @tedpenlee
    @tedpenlee 12 років тому

    What is really cool right now is the laser ignition system they are working on right now. This would be leaner mixture, cleaner exhaust, and theoretically better fuel milage.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому

    It's geared, directly or indirectly, to the camshaft.

  • @MMAChonkiFighter
    @MMAChonkiFighter 13 років тому

    Nice vid, man. Good to see real world example too.

  • @prekajski2
    @prekajski2 13 років тому

    nice explanation. understood everything. Greetings from Serbia.

  • @mohamedbelhamri2285
    @mohamedbelhamri2285 5 років тому +1

    Thank you for your effort. With you, Mohamed, I have an interest in engines with internal combustion. I have an idea about a engine in my imagination that I want to study and achieve.

  • @Zchef85
    @Zchef85 11 років тому

    I would like to add that another reason for use of individual coils would be a longer dwell time and therefore a greater voltage. One of the main reasons for that newer oem cars do this is so that they can run a leaner mixture and achieve better mpg. my 2 cents.

  • @funkynerd_com
    @funkynerd_com 6 років тому

    I would be (and I'm sure others) interested in an explanation of Capacitor Discharge Ignition systems. They are mainly used in bikes, outboard motors and other smaller high revving engines, but they are starting to make an appearance in high performance cars these days and there are not really any good videos out there explaining the difference to an inductive discharge system. Any chance we can one day see a video on CDI?

  • @KingsleyKingOfHV
    @KingsleyKingOfHV 12 років тому

    Loving you're videos!! Never found videos that are so short and quick so informative!
    Also, I still have some questions if someone can help maybe? Thanks in advance if you can!! :)
    What turns the rotor in the distributor? Is there a driver circuit, driving the Ignition Coil? Or it wired straight to the battery? What voltage range does the Ignition Coil run at? What is the reason for the engine firing order needing to be balanced?

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому

    You essentially disconnect power to the spark plugs, so the cylinders can no longer fire. With diesels you cut fuel.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому

    They can be different, google search it and it will show you the many various options.

  • @Drifting50
    @Drifting50 12 років тому

    Yeah I was talking about turning the key starting the engine type starting. But thanks a lot for your help!

  • @steppinout67
    @steppinout67 5 років тому +4

    When you turn the engine off does the distributor go back to the 1st cylinder's contact point so when you start the car again it start firing at the right order (1,3,4,2)?

    • @HostileLemons
      @HostileLemons 5 років тому +2

      It dosent matter because itll always be in that order. Which ever one it starts on dosent matter. E.g 1342. If you switch off the car and it restarts on 4. Itll just continue the sequence. 4213421342. Etc.

  • @rainrandver1032
    @rainrandver1032 5 років тому

    Please do an in-depth video on ignition coils; specifically on what the industry calls "performance" ignition coils. Where (if at all) does the "performance" part of a ignition coil come into play?

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  11 років тому

    Could be built of a system with 2 rotors on top of one another, with wiring going out accordingly - interesting question.

  • @zainwaseem5507
    @zainwaseem5507 8 років тому +1

    Is the rotor of the distributor connected to the crankshaft? If no then how is it able to keep in phase with the strokes on different rpms?

  • @xboxgeak
    @xboxgeak 12 років тому

    that was very helpful iam starting off in the automotave trade in i knew very little about the ignition systems of a car thank's man

  • @Dexterprog
    @Dexterprog 11 років тому

    Your videos are fantastic, you'll be a great engineer and professor (hopefully you will as you are great at explaining)!

  • @sud6395
    @sud6395 7 років тому

    thank you for the video . I really liked it . before this I had zero idea how ignition system works...

  • @andresrodriguez2142
    @andresrodriguez2142 12 років тому

    I been teaching for 8 years on US ARMY Reserve, and Let's me tell you. "You are Great Instructor"

  • @smtbbo
    @smtbbo 13 років тому

    very good vid, just make sure you explain timing as well, because it does play a big role in making power

  • @fightingfalconfan
    @fightingfalconfan 11 років тому

    the voltage's go from battery voltage to about 40k. think of the ignition coil as a vary compact tesla coil. to answer your other question the engine needs to be balanced in order to make any kind of reliable power for you to move down the road. In the front at your crank pulley you have a harmonic balancer to help with this and at the back of the engine you either have a flywheel or a flex plate pending what transmission you have.

  • @diegojc9
    @diegojc9 10 років тому +1

    hey could you please talk about the different kinds of plugs? copper, gold, iridium...etc.
    also performance wires.

  • @keremsahin5482
    @keremsahin5482 3 роки тому

    Many thanks for this explanation. Good work mate!

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    You're welcome!

  • @kalkidangirma8201
    @kalkidangirma8201 3 роки тому

    This has been extremely helpful. Appreciate it.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Yes

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Yes or perhaps not all of the cylinders are firing yet, which would cause the start to be a little shaky.

  • @eddy2jzjdmlife344
    @eddy2jzjdmlife344 8 років тому

    You should do a video on ignition timing and how to adjust it for different applications like for racing for example that would be cool

  • @joelejthoppil
    @joelejthoppil 6 років тому +1

    Can you explain DIY ignitions sytems?

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому

    @asianxxgrace Glad I could help!

  • @liweilo1786
    @liweilo1786 10 років тому

    Hi. I have a question regarding this video. You said the current from the second ignition coil passed into the distributor,and then the contact caused the voltage thru each cylinder. Why the current end up with the voltage? Thank you very much.

  • @conz93
    @conz93 6 років тому +3

    Hey Jason, love the videos. You're series has really helped support me through my mechanic training thus far. But I'm having a real problem with calculating firing order on 6 cylinder engines. Are there any hack methods to working out which piston is doing what in any particular cycle??

  • @Brown_Hammer
    @Brown_Hammer 5 років тому

    Please can you do a video explaining spark plug gap and how to determine what gap to set for your car? Thanks

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Was born in Charlotte, but now I live in Raleigh.

  • @Papinak2
    @Papinak2 11 років тому

    I would like to add, that some distributorless engines have just 2 coils to reduce production costs. They fire 2 plugs at time - one is fired at exhaust phase.

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  12 років тому

    Thanks for watching!

  • @gravityflyer
    @gravityflyer 12 років тому

    As usual, great video!... If I may ask, what is an HEI distributor and does it require a coil?

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  13 років тому

    @rooney9213 Magneto is simply a generator for devices that don't use the typical battery to coil system. VVT is currently on my list of videos to make, thanks!

  • @macrobioticman
    @macrobioticman 12 років тому

    Can you do another video regarding how the engine, rotates manny other components, not just the fly wheel, I.e fan belt, radiator fan. Also alternator, most important part of a car once it's started running? How it re charges the battery and gives power to the cars electronics including radio. Thanks

  • @3DPeter
    @3DPeter 12 років тому

    (part2) Now when you have a 1 cillinder motor, like a bike, the engine vibrates heavy, because the powerstroke is always at one point. so with a 2 cillinder, there's a stroke every 180degrees, a 3 cillinder, at 120, a 4 cillinder at 90, and so on, so the more you divide the powerstrokes ,the smoother the enige runs.
    (see part 3 for the firing order)

  • @rooney9213
    @rooney9213 13 років тому

    Thanks man. Nice vid. What is a magneto? And how does a variable valve timing work?

  • @mitoand9
    @mitoand9 11 років тому

    Could you explain what is exaclty the vacuum advance mechnism for a distributor? Thanks, nice video as usual.

  • @harkaacharya8157
    @harkaacharya8157 8 місяців тому

    Thank you, is 1342 a universal standard of distribution of electricity in the ignition system?

  • @praveenmuthukumarasamy5790
    @praveenmuthukumarasamy5790 4 роки тому

    Is the ignition distributor connected via a belt with the Camshaft or the Crankshaft?
    How does it correctly ignite the Air-Fuel Mixture?

  • @Drifting50
    @Drifting50 12 років тому

    So in a V-12 per say, it would have a likelihood of starting faster than a V4 because of the number of cylinders in each cycle combusting faster?

  • @macrobioticman
    @macrobioticman 12 років тому

    How is the distributed motor speed regulated for the contact points, obviously any miss firing will miss cylinder cycle . Is it the cam shaft that does this?

  • @omarelmohri
    @omarelmohri 10 років тому

    I have a technical question about Coil,
    In case of coil failure (separate coil per cylinder) this that happened to me..
    When the engine is running, and the failed coil removed there is no explosion, but the working one can be felt.. Can be even when removing the coil?
    I can't understand this technically as I'm imagining that when the coil removed that means no explosion in the cylinder.

  • @funkengruven3535
    @funkengruven3535 5 років тому

    Great video! Can you explain the advantages of coilpack vs standard ignition coil and distributor?