He must be accused nr 6. Who leaves keys of a state vehicle & service pistol with a group of known murderers & drug dealers while you are an official of the law. No wonder they got away with so many murders. And Cele will do nothing to his useless, incompetent, corrupt staff.
Advocate mslolo I really admire you for your courage you. This judge wants to thro you under the bus. Keep up your strength sis. I pray for this defence.
4:47:39 Mnisi is surgical with his line of questioning… he got Zungu to agree that someone typed his statement instead of what he claimed “that he wrote the statement himself”… and judge Ratha interfered cause he knows too much.
Zungu is a professional liar. He is aware of that too. Why was he invited to the Hostel ? He tells the court that he had notes and when asked to fetch to go fetch them he can't get them. The intervention of the judge while the advocates do their presentations is a mode of intimidating them. It is unfair !! This judge cannot listen to the defense. There is no fair trial here.
I had a different opinion of the Judge first when he started but now he is answering for witnesses and oppressing the defence indirectly. And if he has made his decision the defence don't know he must let them satisfy themselves.
Once Makhubo brings the evidence then Zungu needs to tell us where did meet UNkani...Zungu think it's easy...he told the court about notes he wrote but he didn't came with it today,They met several times with Gininda with other Generals but he doesn't have notes🗒 even...Where is his pocket book,bcz he supposed to wrotes some notes and dates there .
As a former investigating officers... Whenever there is a retake or typed statement, the original statement is kept in the docket to prove that there was no alteration made😊
Surely my former colleague you will know that no witness will be admitted to witness protection without him submitting his written affidavit and the branch commander will also attack his statement to that effect clearly he submitted a written statement and it was then typed . This colleague is very economical with the truth
I don’t know if this judge understands his position in this case. He is arguing as though he is representing someone and trying to prove that he is still sharp. He probably has doubts that he might be going through dementia.
With this guy sitting as a judge,we will never see justice.He already has a judgment and it is sad because he is extremely biased and very impatient and as someone who potrays himself as an eloquent judge he lacks listening skills,he is a bad listener,it is very sad.
Actually its "Without any" submission made before him in court unless he tells us that he is housing the police officer and had a privilege to meet him before Monday court session, hence he managed to type or write judgement before official court session.
Zungu you knew that you wont get those notes/statement in KZN because your statement were made/wrote by Gininda not you, hence you went through it wasting our time and state resources to prove WHAT?? 😡
So this judge wrote a whole judgement the night before?before even hearing the defence arguments 😂😂😂 .Not only that, did I hear him say "I don't THINK the prosecutor would do such a thing"....yohhhhh
Judge has already found these 5 accused guilty and he's just following the procedure net. He's making sure that we won't be able to see docket 375 in court 😢😳‼️
Thought I was mistaken when I heard hin say " I wrote this last night". It's clear now,he's actually already decided on the outcome of this case. On top of that he seems to want to be the star of the show.
This judge wants to be the starring of the show and it's so disgusting, I mean why does he always want to prove that he has more power than the defence? He already made a decision on this case, all these arguments will go to waste at the end 😂
Because the defense only what they clients to win the case not to face what they did,by the statement of this witness they are guilty so what I want to know is who sent them
Pirates & south african football followers, we must demand the judge to be removed, Toyi Toyi peacefully can help us here, asithathwa serious apha tyhini, ayikho lento🤞🤞
Judge are you seriously going to turn this matter against the defence team while theres a proof in record that Zungu did said that theres another notes written in his own hand writing and that was the reason he was sent to KZN to fetch it.. Today's trial is unfairly conducted 😒
I also want him out but the sad this is that the trial will start again and how long will it end🤦♀️with Baloyi's list of witnesses. if only it would continue
He interjects and feeds the witness with answers. At the same time, he embarrasses himself trying to give answers only this fool witness to go against him. Mr Zungu very confidently, "Yes Judge, bengi khuluma, abala". This is another Bom shell.
Hallo my lord, ngi late namhlanje, bengisa busy le ku Magudumana my lord. I just found my second favourite judge in SA. My lady from Bloemfontein is doing the lords work naye that side my lord 😇. Have a productive week, my lord 😊
This judge can’t help himself . He must be recused there’s no fair trial here he has already made his mind So disgusting 🤮 the way he treats the defense counsels
He thinks very highly of himself. He constantly talks about how he's been doing thus fur years, he talks over/ interrupts and the defense lawyers. He's really embarrassing to watch
🤣🤣🤣is criminal procedures ..I miss how you say “ask” in court..somehow you Teffo wher gonna find yourself representing Kelly khumalo 🤣🤣🤣🤣how this is unfolding ,I just imagine how you guys wher gonna cope coz is clear whr this is going
Zungu is wasting the state time, all what he says is not from him. Last Friday in his testimony he got a statement where is written by his own hands, now he is telling the court something else. Someone who never do his job. This is disgrace
Defence please .stay away and ask this judge to be changed Corrupt old man.uyayangisa shame. Senzo was a national hero and you can't get justice for him.Thixo.imali impande yesono.uthengiwe wena masende enkonkoni
I'M waiting for Makhubo to bring an avidence showing that in 2014 Nkani was arrested...😢also I'M waiting for Gwabini to come en testify about this evidence which brought by his Uncle😢😢😢
He's uncle says Gwabini killed someone and is a Hitman. If he killed someone how did he have the guts to give him his car keys and gun. We are not even sure if they used his gun and refilled the bullets???
It is very heartbreaking to see the defence helplessness when the judge keep shutting them out, disrupting their submissions, distorting Mnisi's argument, why did not replay Zungu's statement? Why does he not reprimand the witnesses when disrespecting the defence? So much is happening here, disappointing to the core.💔💔💔💔
Weeee leJudge lizonghlanyisa yazini!! this guy already said that udabuka kwaNongoma UZISHOLO YENA, now sekmele kungaDiscloswa? he already said it nje Friday TSEG leCase-Petition for the Judge to be removed please🙏 He is both rude and biased and we need not be subjected to this nonsense. Nathi sifuna ukbona iCase being handled fairly, he must remain NEUTRAL until he makes his final decision. Lokhu esikbona la ulwabishi
It’s a pity that in 2023 you can hear a black saying that an accused must be represented by a white lawyer if are serious about pursuing justice or hearing a black person saying that for justice to prevail a white lawyer must be appointed to adjudicate over that case. It is judges like these ones that give us that impression.
It is shame that policemen who run with hares and hunt with hounds are living with freedom but those who do their work with diligence are killed like flies. He who distance d Gerie Nek must blame himself for that
Look a black judge is letting down a black family if one dependent on his intelligence he can see that black judges can be bribed . the judge is impatient and he cannot hide his bias
Mr Zungu loku kuyesabeka ngoba Friday you said you have a written statement. What type of a policeman are you. You were given transport to go to KZN to fetch the statement and you said some of ur statement you said they were in the place where you are hiding. SA work up please lock this guy in Prison. Why did you agree that you have notes in ur house. Oh dear
He knew the judge will defend him even if he didnt get those note.He is enjoying the benefits of state resources. Staying in a safe house His family kept in a safe house Being transported to any where he wants to go free of charge And still lie on top of that..🤨
@@Siyabonga2010 Too much but stupidly arrogant because he's got 12 years of service in same position for reporting cases that would give him a brown envelope
Why is Zungu not questioned about him giving someone he suspects is a nkabi his fire arm. That alone is a misconduct why is he still a policeman after revealing such negligence.
Judge :Mnisi is making a valid point ,what seems to be the problem? Mshololo explain to him ngoba akamuzwa uMnisi 🙄 Judge you cannot rule the trial based on assumptions, that is why the defence team requesting to see the original statement..🤷♀️
That is the procedure of all courts . Advocates are not called by their titles but rather their Surname . They are only Advocates because the courts have admitted them as such.
Cant they complain about the judge's conduct to the JSC, he undermines defence lawyers, anout their use of the colonial language, english and interjects harshly/rudely when the defense lawyers are presentibg. Lastly, he wrote his judgement last night before here from this witness who had travelled to KZN to fetch his notes and there is nothing said anout his other notes that witness said are at his place of safety, and res in Gauteng...so pathetic, sad...fair.justice is money in DA
Can we get another professional judge and this stupid Ratha becomes a witness, he seems to know too much about this cause. Old age kicked inn longtym ago and the engine (head) is malnufunctioning!
This is concerning. Adv. Mshololo asks the court to play the recording (which would confirm the witness saying that he indeed had a handwritten statement in addition to notes that he had before). The Judge acts as if he agrees but never proceeds to allow defense to play it. In his court ruling Judge says "This court finds that no written statement exist." Mnisi comes with cross examination 4 hours after at 4.36 and says to the witness " sir you are saying when you made this statement, the typed version, the handwritten original of which the court has ruled that it's non-existent" then Judge interrupts and says "no no no Mr Mnisi don't misquote the court, i never said the handwritten version does not exist" I find this strange because the ruling in fact ended by saying that "no handwritten statement exists". Same court same day! playing the recording would have made everyone hear the witness confirming what would shortly contradict a ruling which the judge had typed a night before....interesting.
Why did he travel to kzn knowingly that there are no notes. And it's acceptable by the judge first that matter😮 even rectifying his statement and Ratha is 100% comfortable with that. 😢
It is difficult to believe that all of us could be mistaken in our assessment. This judge has let us down, and it is truly disheartening considering the trust we had placed in him. Why hasn't Zungu been held accountable for misleading the court regarding the written statement? Security measures were significantly strengthened for his trip to KZN, yet he now asserts that there was no written statement and the judge just accepts. The judge is biassed and continues to protect him to the extent that he wrote his judgement yesterday. How did he knew about the outcome of the trip at the time? This is injustice and he undermines us as public. He will definitely be recused this 1. Eeeeeeerrrrrrr
Police officials are writing statements on their own and commosioned by other Police officials, the author of the statement will have a copy, if there is anything or I consistance the prosecutor will order for a retake. So it is not common for the state to have only a typed statement.
Zungu told Gwabini to throw the gun that killed someone in the river, was he arrested for killing that person, since the police officer knows about it , did Zungu report the incident or he got away with it just like that?
Some 1 must do somethhing about this Judge bcos his getting warse day by day,He realy cant contain himself with witness protection.We are also not IMPATHA LAAAA nxaaa Our tax money is being taken for granded in our faces
I beg to differ wth u when u say the judge is bias, He is playing his role as a presiding officer, the judge is avoiding a situation where one talks on presumption, remember that it is a court of law no one is above it bt be it as it may be the judge has to guide n guard against allowing a court a mickey mouse play wen dealing wth the law, emotions should not be put foward neither of the counsel asked for discrepancies in this case instead Zungu shud come out clear if he really serves the state as a police officer. I am smelling a rat in this case coz he once said some officers were against the disclosure of the information therefore there is a lot of mistrust within the police officers from lower to higher rank.
@@FrpAli Then he should have agreed to play the recording. It was the one thing that could have settled the issue of notes or statement. But instead he continues to be stubborn coz it would have proven him wrong. The judge should welcome every available resource to resolve an impasse. .
@nokuthulamahlangu8727 The accuse have got legal remedies-e.g, they can appeal,the defense can also ask the judge to recuse himself,until then hlalaphsntse.
Its the minimum time given to wrap it up. Even if it concludes after 2 years I know ppl who have been waiting for 5 years for a judgement. S.African law for you!
They might be guilty it's ok but the behaviour of the judge leaves much to be desired his so unfair to his colleagues he acts as the disguised agent of the state . Common sense doesn't prevail in this case
4:59:48 what’s a police man doing chilling with people whom he knows to be Hitman? Zungu is a
Prime example of corrupt police officers.
My point exactly
He is a criminal he was SUPPOSE TO BE ARRESTED
He is a tool of Gininda
Yhooo, you don't have an idea, of how I'm feeling... I'm not even proud to mention that I'm a former Detective
Indeed Is something worrying but common with our police men
He must be accused nr 6. Who leaves keys of a state vehicle & service pistol with a group of known murderers & drug dealers while you are an official of the law. No wonder they got away with so many murders. And Cele will do nothing to his useless, incompetent, corrupt staff.
The most talkative Judge in the whole world🤞🤞
I pray that Mnisi remains unshaken and Mshololo please remain strong, this judge must stop intimidating the Defense
Guess what they are still strong and striving
Advocate mslolo I really admire you for your courage you. This judge wants to thro you under the bus. Keep up your strength sis. I pray for this defence.
Judge Rata is totally against the defense team. He is Judge without portfolio. He tried to protect the killer of Senzo bcoz of bribery.
4:47:39 Mnisi is surgical with his line of questioning… he got Zungu to agree that someone typed his statement instead of what he claimed “that he wrote the statement himself”… and judge Ratha interfered cause he knows too much.
He has already cracked before the actual crack Mnisi will finish him off tomorrow & Nxumalo "The Black Diamond " is awaiting to mop the floor with him
😂
The judge appears to be bias and becomes overly involved in the proceedings. The lawyers are losing respect for him. Sizoyiqela ivuthiwe laaaaaa
Uyacika
Zungu is a professional liar. He is aware of that too. Why was he invited to the Hostel ? He tells the court that he had notes and when asked to fetch to go fetch them he can't get them. The intervention of the judge while the advocates do their presentations is a mode of intimidating them. It is unfair !! This judge cannot listen to the defense. There is no fair trial here.
He must be accused 6.
I had a different opinion of the Judge first when he started but now he is answering for witnesses and oppressing the defence indirectly. And if he has made his decision the defence don't know he must let them satisfy themselves.
This judge is very bias 🚮
Once Makhubo brings the evidence then Zungu needs to tell us where did meet UNkani...Zungu think it's easy...he told the court about notes he wrote but he didn't came with it today,They met several times with Gininda with other Generals but he doesn't have notes🗒 even...Where is his pocket book,bcz he supposed to wrotes some notes and dates there .
This judge noooo ...
There should be a petition against this unfair judge and defence must request for a recusal.
Count me in
Me too
Let’s make it happen
It's another delay. So it looks like they are exhausted of the delays
I will sign it, I promise you
Why would you invite a police officer knowing you are gonna commit a crime?
And what was the purpose of them killing Senzo if they didn't even take his car? Take his cards cellphone? Iyahlula serious.
Who said Gwabeni knew they wher gonna commit crime ?coz he is the one who invited the police (cousin)
And akekho umuntu ongamema iphoyisa abe azikahle kunobugebengu obuhleliwe neyibhamu ezingekho emthethweni namanga leliliphoyisa amangalo afana naka zandi
The funny part is I never seen an Inkabi shooting to kill with only 1 or 2 bullets.Those people shoot ay Indaba yokudlala.
As a former investigating officers... Whenever there is a retake or typed statement, the original statement is kept in the docket to prove that there was no alteration made😊
So, Mnisi is right.
Yes, he is spot on
Correctly it shows that the witness is in contrary to what is typed by Gininda & crew kodwa bazomvova I trust Adv Mnisi
Surely my former colleague you will know that no witness will be admitted to witness protection without him submitting his written affidavit and the branch commander will also attack his statement to that effect clearly he submitted a written statement and it was then typed . This colleague is very economical with the truth
The state likes wasting time. How do you expect the court and the citizens to believe a statement typed but there is no original.
Why is the judge arguing with the defense lawyers?unprofessional
Mr Mnisi is a calm beast Yeerrr
And he takes his time
Can we get Dr Nandipha Mgulukudu's judge please 🙏
Please 😭😭
and the prosecutor 👍
Nandipha mgulukudu😅😅😅 ayi nehlule south Africa guys😅😅
Jonga I also want her here
we want that judge and the prosecutor in Senzos case@@ntombifuthimlambo6005
Hey judge you must behave all those questions you are answering are yours, leave the state to answer
Judge no no you are being very bias and we feel you are failing us as a country and the Meyiwa family.. Mr president we need a new Judge.. Thank you
There will never be any sober judge given to us. RSA does not have any. So forget it!
So usho ukuthi kachamisani 😀😀😀
Leave meyiwa family,they are concentrating
The judge has already found the accused guilty
For the first time I see the judge drinking water. It is tough
Uyacika lobaba judge You telling me the whole of South Africa we couldn't get a white judge? I would have preferred a white to run this court.
True he has already made up his mind.
If mina nawe singa bulawa makwenziwa kanje kumuntu obedumile kuqanjwe amanga alalelwa yizwe ukuthi banamanga and kunabantu esebefile kulelicala including abafana ababili ababepake emgwaqeni basho bathi akunabantu abaphuma lapha after that badablamafu
@mphomangole his eyes looked very sexy. He was not alone
The smile on Baloyi's face.
Once upon a time he was frustrated now he's relieved that the judge is also acting accordingly
He smiled because he knew Zungu didnt bring those notes and he knew the judge will defend him..
Rathatha must go back to retirement asap, his very bias, and undermines the intelligence of the defense.
Witnesses are so rude and he keeps quiet as a Judge. He is bias
I don’t know if this judge understands his position in this case. He is arguing as though he is representing someone and trying to prove that he is still sharp. He probably has doubts that he might be going through dementia.
True his very bias
Adv Mnisi you must come back even stronger. You are on it. Bless you my son.
The judge is boasting about 50 years experience
Zungu must be arrested that policeman is lying under oath hai boooo
If corruption was a person and that would be Zungu
With this guy sitting as a judge,we will never see justice.He already has a judgment and it is sad because he is extremely biased and very impatient and as someone who potrays himself as an eloquent judge he lacks listening skills,he is a bad listener,it is very sad.
Very true he never gets the point because he talks over people
My sentiments exactly
I had to revisit his judgment again. Waaaww his tone was embarrassing I must say. I'm wondering if he will ever give a fair final judgement.
This is a disgrace on the side of SAPS, I don't even know who are the real killers in this case, by the look of things the suspects will be acquitted.
That would be great🙏, I feel sorry for the Meyiwa's 😪
I don't believe so in the eyes of judge these accused are guilty
Acquitted in your dreams.This case is over.
The judge wants to pin the so-called accused
N leave the real culprits
The case is over. These guys are guilty
This is how not to behave as a judge. This has nothing to do with whether the accused are guilty or not. Fair trial is what's needed
Judge has to be changed. Ramaphosa intervene. This is bullshit.We need justice. No CORRUPTION
He will intervene very late. He's waiting for 2023 unrest first mxm banana republic
Guys can’t we at least make a petition against this judge because wow he is very biased hle 😊
I agree with you.
Strongly agree
How does one draft judgment without full submissions?
Actually its "Without any" submission made before him in court unless he tells us that he is housing the police officer and had a privilege to meet him before Monday court session, hence he managed to type or write judgement before official court session.
That's the effects of calling the Pesnioneer
Zungu you knew that you wont get those notes/statement in KZN because your statement were made/wrote by Gininda not you, hence you went through it wasting our time and state resources to prove WHAT?? 😡
He wasted our tax money this rubbish cop 👮
Leli jaji ngeke
He is just proving to be lying or bending the truth to suit his narrative
@@samuelmogashane2988Absolutely
@@SabeloMthalane-f2bkumele liphume
Can we please have docket 375 in court now 😢💔‼️ This judge is totally biased ‼️ Senzo Meyiwa's family is not going to get a fair justice here😳⁉️
Zungu is mentally ill but his friends don't know 😂
Zungu keeps saying. I think 😂
Seconded docket 375 must come otherwise heeee .
@@thulanidngubane8603Serious
@@thulanidngubane8603My dear, and Zungu is a professional SAPS official for that matter, who knows better, not a layman, but yooooh 😢😳‼️
So this judge wrote a whole judgement the night before?before even hearing the defence arguments 😂😂😂 .Not only that, did I hear him say "I don't THINK the prosecutor would do such a thing"....yohhhhh
Ay bandla 👏 👏
Judge has already found these 5 accused guilty and he's just following the procedure net. He's making sure that we won't be able to see docket 375 in court 😢😳‼️
Thought I was mistaken when I heard hin say " I wrote this last night". It's clear now,he's actually already decided on the outcome of this case. On top of that he seems to want to be the star of the show.
This judge wants to be the starring of the show and it's so disgusting, I mean why does he always want to prove that he has more power than the defence?
He already made a decision on this case, all these arguments will go to waste at the end 😂
That's why he's gearing all the answers to the defence, to his judgement. He wrote it yesterday before hearing the defence, appalling, sies!
This Judge is undermining the defense team he doesn't want to listen at all🤦♀️🤦♀️he only listen to Mr Baloyi I just wonder why
Because the defense only what they clients to win the case not to face what they did,by the statement of this witness they are guilty so what I want to know is who sent them
Pirates & south african football followers, we must demand the judge to be removed, Toyi Toyi peacefully can help us here, asithathwa serious apha tyhini, ayikho lento🤞🤞
Judge are you seriously going to turn this matter against the defence team while theres a proof in record that Zungu did said that theres another notes written in his own hand writing and that was the reason he was sent to KZN to fetch it..
Today's trial is unfairly conducted 😒
It hurts me to admit this as a black man but only a white judge can get justice for senzo in this case !!
This is amazing, remember in God's eyes there is no white or black if we are saved. We are all one. So do not be sad, be happy that judge is honest.
@@tammycrous I'm not Christian so I see color vividly and for you to say there's no black or white is offensive to me
@@tammycrousNone of us is saved, not you nor the fake born again pastors and their puppets. Matthew 24:13
Whats the process of removing a judge as the public ?
I think a white judge will be better for this case
I also want him out but the sad this is that the trial will start again and how long will it end🤦♀️with Baloyi's list of witnesses.
if only it would continue
It’s a shame that we trust white people more than we trust our own, and they blame us in the end while most of them are corrupt to the core.
Defence have to lodge application fir recusal of the presiding judge.
Parliament must vote with a 2/3 majority vote after receiving a recommendation to remove him from the Judicial Services Commission
This judge is even worse than ntshebe.....😢😢😢
Much worse.
Yagula nine all judges will be bad for you
He think he knows everything...that the problem,he forgot he's duties as a judge
The worst!
He interjects and feeds the witness with answers. At the same time, he embarrasses himself trying to give answers only this fool witness to go against him. Mr Zungu very confidently, "Yes Judge, bengi khuluma, abala". This is another Bom shell.
Hallo my lord, ngi late namhlanje, bengisa busy le ku Magudumana my lord. I just found my second favourite judge in SA. My lady from Bloemfontein is doing the lords work naye that side my lord 😇. Have a productive week, my lord 😊
"Doing the lords work naye"😂😂😂😂
@@philanindumiso8347 🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️❤️🥳🎉🥳
This judge can’t help himself . He must be recused there’s no fair trial here he has already made his mind
So disgusting 🤮 the way he treats the defense counsels
He thinks very highly of himself. He constantly talks about how he's been doing thus fur years, he talks over/ interrupts and the defense lawyers. He's really embarrassing to watch
😂😂he’s indeed
And he doesn’t like mnisi and mshololo maybe it’s because he knows they are way intelligent than him
Sickening…
No respect for Defence.which is disgusting
Ramaphosa we need Justise.please change this judge.He is a biased
Who is Protecting Kelly Khumalo bring docket 375 😮😮
This thing of "not disclosing bcos of security reasons",render the trial unfair
🤣🤣🤣is criminal procedures ..I miss how you say “ask” in court..somehow you Teffo wher gonna find yourself representing Kelly khumalo 🤣🤣🤣🤣how this is unfolding ,I just imagine how you guys wher gonna cope coz is clear whr this is going
All the people partaking in this trial are in danger and require security. Why is Zungu so special?
It’s absolute nonsense.
@@wandeywandey1144 🤣🤣🤣that’s why you not a judge or a lawyer
@@wandeywandey1144 The accused & their family members have threatened him. The other witnesses did not say they were threatened.
Zungu is wasting the state time, all what he says is not from him. Last Friday in his testimony he got a statement where is written by his own hands, now he is telling the court something else. Someone who never do his job. This is disgrace
Testimony of Mr Zungu shouldn't be accepted by the court bcos the original version of the statement (written statement) is not to be found
100%
I am convinced that this Judge is demented. He doesn’t even understand what Mnisi is saying or he is pretending to not understand
Judge typed, the previous night, his judgement even before the defence presented their arguments
Defence please .stay away and ask this judge to be changed
Corrupt old man.uyayangisa shame. Senzo was a national hero and you can't get justice for him.Thixo.imali impande yesono.uthengiwe wena masende enkonkoni
According to the my observations the judge has already concluded about this case
Obvious
Indeed
Long time
The judge keeps on interrupting, why can't he listen and let them finish?
True. And kuthwa listening is a skill
I'M waiting for Makhubo to bring an avidence showing that in 2014 Nkani was arrested...😢also I'M waiting for Gwabini to come en testify about this evidence which brought by his Uncle😢😢😢
He's uncle says Gwabini killed someone and is a Hitman. If he killed someone how did he have the guts to give him his car keys and gun. We are not even sure if they used his gun and refilled the bullets???
I pray they don't kill Gwabini😒abo Gininda🤨
I'm starting to think that Gwabini is the master mind which they are referring to. Let's wait and see.
I wonder if Gwabini was arrested for killing someone? Malume is very corrupt
@@Lubanzi1 me too
This witness is so stroppy and judge allows him to disrespect defence!😅
Ratha is on Baloyi's side, you can tell that he has already made a judgement. He's undermining the defence, he keeps on belittling them😢.
It is very heartbreaking to see the defence helplessness when the judge keep shutting them out, disrupting their submissions, distorting Mnisi's argument, why did not replay Zungu's statement? Why does he not reprimand the witnesses when disrespecting the defence? So much is happening here, disappointing to the core.💔💔💔💔
In our culture as The Zulu Nation,if you say "YEBO" in that tone usuke uqamba amanga 🤧👀
So true.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Before he answers a question he clears he's throat and that's also a sign of a liar🤞
@@nokuthulamahlangu8727 Impela...ukhincwa yini 👀?
Advocate Mnisi was man of the match😂😅🤣. What is perjury? The Judge dismissed him but he continued with the question
😂😂😂😂😂lol uvele walibuka what is Perjury
Weeee leJudge lizonghlanyisa yazini!! this guy already said that udabuka kwaNongoma UZISHOLO YENA, now sekmele kungaDiscloswa? he already said it nje Friday TSEG leCase-Petition for the Judge to be removed please🙏 He is both rude and biased and we need not be subjected to this nonsense. Nathi sifuna ukbona iCase being handled fairly, he must remain NEUTRAL until he makes his final decision. Lokhu esikbona la ulwabishi
It’s a pity that in 2023 you can hear a black saying that an accused must be represented by a white lawyer if are serious about pursuing justice or hearing a black person saying that for justice to prevail a white lawyer must be appointed to adjudicate over that case. It is judges like these ones that give us that impression.
Very sad
It is shame that policemen who run with hares and hunt with hounds are living with freedom but those who do their work with diligence are killed like flies. He who distance d Gerie Nek must blame himself for that
Look a black judge is letting down a black family if one dependent on his intelligence he can see that black judges can be bribed . the judge is impatient and he cannot hide his bias
Very sad
Rata nd Baloyi are in the same boat I wonder y they are doing this
Brown Envelope
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It's fine but one day karma will knock at their doors. Phela karma has everyones address
Mr Zungu loku kuyesabeka ngoba Friday you said you have a written statement. What type of a policeman are you. You were given transport to go to KZN to fetch the statement and you said some of ur statement you said they were in the place where you are hiding. SA work up please lock this guy in Prison. Why did you agree that you have notes in ur house. Oh dear
He knew the judge will defend him even if he didnt get those note.He is enjoying the benefits of state resources.
Staying in a safe house
His family kept in a safe house
Being transported to any where he wants to go free of charge
And still lie on top of that..🤨
This Zungu guy is so arrogant 😮
@@Siyabonga2010 Too much but stupidly arrogant because he's got 12 years of service in same position for reporting cases that would give him a brown envelope
These ppl they used to mess use the state money so I'm not surprised
@@mbusomngoma1214 exactly
Why is Zungu not questioned about him giving someone he suspects is a nkabi his fire arm. That alone is a misconduct why is he still a policeman after revealing such negligence.
The defense did ask him that.
Exactly
Advocate Mnisi ke lepara, so calm and collected
Judge :Mnisi is making a valid point ,what seems to be the problem?
Mshololo explain to him ngoba akamuzwa uMnisi 🙄
Judge you cannot rule the trial based on assumptions, that is why the defence team requesting to see the original statement..🤷♀️
The problem is the insufficient SASSA funds that the judge is unable to get
@@patiencefvndlovu5761 😄😆😄🤣🤣
The judge is an ardent reader and hardworker
This judge refer to Advocate Mnisi as Mr Mnisi 😂😂😂
Imagine the disregard.
This judge is surrounding himself with a web of conspiracy 😂😂😂
Sun of a beach judge 😂 but Mnisi is the best🤣 this judge is surrounded 😂
That is the procedure of all courts . Advocates are not called by their titles but rather their Surname .
They are only Advocates because the courts have admitted them as such.
Oukay it Baloi that must be called advocate Baloi because he awarded this apartheid judge a beautiful tenders 💔
Cant they complain about the judge's conduct to the JSC, he undermines defence lawyers, anout their use of the colonial language, english and interjects harshly/rudely when the defense lawyers are presentibg. Lastly, he wrote his judgement last night before here from this witness who had travelled to KZN to fetch his notes and there is nothing said anout his other notes that witness said are at his place of safety, and res in Gauteng...so pathetic, sad...fair.justice is money in DA
Bhaloy does not want to produce original notes i wonder why!
Can we get another professional judge and this stupid Ratha becomes a witness, he seems to know too much about this cause. Old age kicked inn longtym ago and the engine (head) is malnufunctioning!
Well said 🤣🤣
He should be taken out of the witness list if the original statement is not produced
Why can't the judge listen to the record
This is concerning. Adv. Mshololo asks the court to play the recording (which would confirm the witness saying that he indeed had a handwritten statement in addition to notes that he had before). The Judge acts as if he agrees but never proceeds to allow defense to play it. In his court ruling Judge says "This court finds that no written statement exist." Mnisi comes with cross examination 4 hours after at 4.36 and says to the witness " sir you are saying when you made this statement, the typed version, the handwritten original of which the court has ruled that it's non-existent" then Judge interrupts and says "no no no Mr Mnisi don't misquote the court, i never said the handwritten version does not exist" I find this strange because the ruling in fact ended by saying that "no handwritten statement exists". Same court same day! playing the recording would have made everyone hear the witness confirming what would shortly contradict a ruling which the judge had typed a night before....interesting.
Is this judge a witness in this case?
Yes I think so. There is no objection from the state
This judge is witness and state prosecutor
CELE WHRE ARE YOU??????
Ayi ngeke uyakhuphuka uMnisi🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Akawatholanga ngoba vele awekho unamanga
Nje. Futhi ngicabanga nokuthi akayanga naku leyo kzn.
This Judge with selective hearing.....so annoying!!!!
This man must go🤞🤞
Mr Baloyi im on your side.....loving your excent too❤
I was shocked to find out that the judged played for Orlando Pirates. Now all it makes sense how things are going. I watched SS2 at 8pm.
Lol nyani authi yam?
Yes its true@@djanunnaki6622
@djanunnaki6622 it's true bafo
Yes 1969 he was the pirates player together with Kaizer Motaung...2/12/2023
Why did he travel to kzn knowingly that there are no notes. And it's acceptable by the judge first that matter😮 even rectifying his statement and Ratha is 100% comfortable with that. 😢
I don't even think he did go to kzn. This zungu guy is a liar and very arrogant.
Lo Zungu mbumbulu impela kaze uthenjisweni ngegazi lakwaMeyiwa
Usekutholile yikho esethuthe iFamily yakhe maybe nemali uyitholile ngoba akaholi lutho ngoba esewu Constable nje yilamanga akhe
Come on Judge is getting on point
The mind of the judge is exhausted. He really needs a rest. Baloyi is messing up.
This witness is a pathological liar. He clearly said he was going to fetch the handwritten statement.
It is difficult to believe that all of us could be mistaken in our assessment. This judge has let us down, and it is truly disheartening considering the trust we had placed in him. Why hasn't Zungu been held accountable for misleading the court regarding the written statement? Security measures were significantly strengthened for his trip to KZN, yet he now asserts that there was no written statement and the judge just accepts. The judge is biassed and continues to protect him to the extent that he wrote his judgement yesterday. How did he knew about the outcome of the trip at the time? This is injustice and he undermines us as public. He will definitely be recused this 1. Eeeeeeerrrrrrr
I was surprised to hear him say he prepared the judgement yesterday, how did he know the outcome? This judge is a scam, a big one at that!🚮
He said he had notes not statement
@@beewest5704 same difference
@@motlalepulematlou2755 exactly nxa
Well said
And The judge kept quiet again as the witness disrespecting Advocates ka 1 & 2
Police officials are writing statements on their own and commosioned by other Police officials, the author of the statement will have a copy, if there is anything or I consistance the prosecutor will order for a retake. So it is not common for the state to have only a typed statement.
Zungu told Gwabini to throw the gun that killed someone in the river, was he arrested for killing that person, since the police officer knows about it , did Zungu report the incident or he got away with it just like that?
Woza naye Mnisi
So judgements can be written without listening to arguments wow
😂😂😂🤣Is not make sure
Salaam. This judge is not rite.
Wena Baloyi,what's that SAPC doing with inkabi
Msunu kanyoko ophuma amawuwu
Lo judge wakho lo oyimbhungulu
When this Zungu started testifying i thought he is speaking the truth bt these advocates have tried their level best to discredit all his lie💥👍
Some 1 must do somethhing about this Judge bcos his getting warse day by day,He realy cant contain himself with witness protection.We are also not IMPATHA LAAAA nxaaa Our tax money is being taken for granded
in our faces
Imagine that!!!! Telling us his not an impatha!!!!
I beg to differ wth u when u say the judge is bias, He is playing his role as a presiding officer, the judge is avoiding a situation where one talks on presumption, remember that it is a court of law no one is above it bt be it as it may be the judge has to guide n guard against allowing a court a mickey mouse play wen dealing wth the law, emotions should not be put foward neither of the counsel asked for discrepancies in this case instead Zungu shud come out clear if he really serves the state as a police officer. I am smelling a rat in this case coz he once said some officers were against the disclosure of the information therefore there is a lot of mistrust within the police officers from lower to higher rank.
@@FrpAli
Then he should have agreed to play the recording. It was the one thing that could have settled the issue of notes or statement. But instead he continues to be stubborn coz it would have proven him wrong. The judge should welcome every available resource to resolve an impasse. .
The judge is aspiring to be known as the judge who resolved the mystery of ‘Who killed Senzo?”
The judge is doing a fantastic job. There is no biasness -the defense is trying to ensure that they discredit the witness
Trying to discredit him by quoting what he said on Friday?
Haai wena you need love go hug a tree nxa
@@nokuthulamahlangu8727 ohk
@nokuthulamahlangu8727 The accuse have got legal remedies-e.g, they can appeal,the defense can also ask the judge to recuse himself,until then hlalaphsntse.
@@laurencemakgabo1766 Ave uyisibhanxa mxm.
Keep up the great work advocate
So the judge is telling us that this case will last two year's??
Its the minimum time given to wrap it up. Even if it concludes after 2 years I know ppl who have been waiting for 5 years for a judgement. S.African law for you!
Lomkhulu lo ebesiwaphi😢😢😢... South african law is a shame
Ayeza yin ama judge edakiwe e court?
Mnisi is not afraid to take on this madala 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
This judge ngumsunu shame
This judge has to be changed. Shut judge msunu kanyoko.corrupt judge
Showing uthengiwe
Msunu wedada.
Is judge Thokozile Masopa still alive we need her ..not this bull waiting our data for nothing 😮😮😮
Kazi iyozala nkomoni 😢le Judge
😢 This judge is failing us and he is finding the accused guilty before the end of the trial 😢😢😢😢
The judge has already made his mind. The accused are guilty
I just wish Zungu was accused 6 and Gwabini was accused 7. Zungu should go to jail
Damnit Zungu you killed Senzo and you coming with stories here
Spot on👏👏. My sentiments exactly
These case where is going because now the weakness is coming with empty hands there are playing with our Texas money
So he went to KZN knowing fully well that he did not write anything by hand. But the Judge can't see that is an obvious lie under Oath
@@samuelmogashane2988 I doubt he even went to kzn. The whole weekend he was at home planning which lies he will tell the court.
They might be guilty it's ok but the behaviour of the judge leaves much to be desired his so unfair to his colleagues he acts as the disguised agent of the state . Common sense doesn't prevail in this case
Haibo 😳😳😳there's no statement, he wrote on the till slips 🤣🤣🤣🤣I wonder ‼️