tbh, he's probably depressed as hell. Imagine having to defend the devil herself, whilst knowing that the case is absolutely unwinnable. I would be grumpy too
I cant stand there smartass questions & how they push she was a good mother,What are they trying to say look she was a good mum so we should turn a blind eye to the horrific death's she sentenced those kids to,She makes me sick & so do these defence lawyers
@@annettelacey7913 I totally agree with you. Idk how any defense lawyer defends someone they probably know they’re guilty. However I have come to the conclusion that if Lori defense attorney didn’t try to discredit witnesses or evidence then Lori has a greater chance of winning an appeal. I just hope none of these jurors buy into Lori is In-N-Out’s because she was a good mom before. Anyone can change in a instance from being good to bad or vice versa.
He's doing his job imo, trying to create reasonble doubt, defending his client in a way the verdict won't be overthrown due to insufficient assistance of counsel. He's a public defender.
I really feel for the jurors, as well. You know they had absolutely no idea what they were getting into when they were called to serve. The graphic photos of incomprehensible violence against innocent children is beyond their worst nightmares. Not everyone has seen human decomposition. It’s horrific. I pray for their strength and that they aren’t left with trauma after the trial has ended. I also pray that they have the courage, reason and resolve to find these evil maggots guilty and put them away for life without parole.
Nate you have no idea the great work your doing ! We get attached to victims and often we don’t see the trials unless it’s high profile. We all want Justice for the victims. You help us heal from these wounds. Thank you isn’t enough.
I recently lost a son in a tragic accident. Since that day, I have been an absolute mess and simply cannot fathom, if Lori was seen in her past to be such a good mother, how that can all disappear, due to her being taken in by Chad and his insane ideas. I am so affected by the horrific way in which these two children lost their lives, as a total stranger. How can she not be? 😢
@Lesley I am so very sorry for your incredible loss. Yes as Mother to Mother we do not understand how one can lose your intense connection to your child. It’s unfathomable ! I ask myself the same question in regards to Lori. Did Chad really brain wash her?? Zombies?? My heart aches for you, and your following such a horrific, sad trial. May God comfort you and ease your pain. Much love and blessings
Lori was very good at putting on a false front..... The facade of being a good mother. Chad did not bring out anything and Lori that was not already there....... I'm very sorry for your loss of your son.😢😢😢😢😢😢
i haven’t felt this kind of anger toward a woman before… her total disregard for that sweet little boy and her daughter is just unfathomable.. the epitome of selfishness and narcissism. She thought she was “light?” And Chad was “light” but anyone in her way was conveniently “dark”, what an arrogant egotistical shallow fool…
I think she was just tired of the kids. What a disgusting piece of crap she is. She wanted to be a ⭐. A goddess because being a mother wasn't good enough for her. I thank God for the Amazing mother that I have. She raised us with love and respect. It wasn't easy for her because my dad took off to be with his other family ( that we didn't know existed) and left us without a home. Love your Mom and thank God you didn't have to go through what J.J and Tyler went through.
@@shuckydarn2856 LV didnt even have a hint or a ‘hard life’. She was privileged and entitled, raised LDS, she got to br the cheerleader, she got the guys, the fam was all about appearances and looking good. NOW look at her, the ugly is seeping out to her exterior.
Lakes Region, New Hampshire here. My heart broke into a million pieces when I saw your earlier post about the autopsy results. That dear little boy suffered horribly, as did Tylee. Just heartbreaking.
@@Mataylor17 Lori even returned JJ’s emotional support dog back to the agency That granted him one… I’m heartbroken by the complete evil that walks amongst us
Nate following you from New Zealand, thanks for doing such an amazing job for the victims and families left behind to deal with that pain! Love and Light 🕯️
Thank you for posting the audio trial Nate! I usually listen to them after your “insider” Thank You for keeping us up to date daily! ❤️ Nate, your dedication is so greatly appreciated!
I do too... I can listen while I work and stop when interrupted but turn it right back on when it gets quiet again. Thank you so much Nate for your dedication in this case and for all of these victims. You are a true blessing to this community and this grieving family! Such great reporting, again thank you sir for your service.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035At this point she's not even human, at least not in my book, because humans have to have humanity to earn that title. She was just very good at pretending to have a soul
Yup I caught that too that she said to Summer it was months later so she basically admitted to knowing JJ and Tylee were deceased. Also Lori said to Colby and Summer that they don’t know because they weren’t there and only she knows and God knows. Lori also played the what about me card saying she had a rough life because this is all about Tylee and JJ. So that’s the narcissist in Lori. I just hope the jurors aren’t as gullible and naive as Lori or Melanie G. !!
Thank you, EIN for getting trial updates to us as soon as they are available to the public. You have a great team and crew giving us insightful information, great interviews, all with grace. TY 🙏🏻🍀
Literally me last night listening to Summer's phone call... as a mother of many children (7) my heart is broken by the amount of pain I feel for these children. I would've taken them in myself to keep them safe! My 10 year old son reached over and held my hand as tears ran down my eyes sobbing 😭 Even at his young age he can't bare but feel so emotional too, even saying Lori shows nothing for her children and responds so well being calm.
@@melissamercado1080 i find it so jard to believe a mother goes from this great mum to pure evil,Id bet she hid alot over the years and had alot of people fooled,she is still with chad & still believes the crap her and chad preach,She is dangerous in and out of prison i think,
How can this woman sit there and hear the descriptions of her children's graves and not show any remorse or heartbreak. The jury members were described as more impacted than her.
We live in southwest Missouri! Hi neighbor. Yes.. praying for all the victims. How on God's green earth can lori not break down knowing the reality of her actions?!
I was gut wrenching to hear him describe while he cut through the one bag then another bag then sees skull and JJ's hair. I watch and listen to a lot of true crime but this was by far the most emotional thing ive heard. RIP little JJ 😢
Poor kid,must of been scared and not know what was happening when they taped his face and put a plastic bag over his head to kill him,im horrified how jj died,probebly much the same happened to tylee,It was like they tested out 2 ways of doing it binding & cutting up a,body to see for future victins & the best way of doing it for future zombies,gross evil horrible monsters
As an adoptive mom to a child on the autism spectrum, I would like to say Lori is an anomaly! I understand burnout and needing a break, she had a huge support system of family who loved her and her kids, and who wanted to help her. I don't think she was ever capable of loving, she just masked it. If she cared, her children would have come before anyone/thing else. JJ's daddy would be alive, and Tylee and JJ would be with him, or other relatives if she wanted to release her parental rights. I hope this case does not color people's thoughts towards other adoptive families. 99.9 of us WANT our children, and worked very hard to be able to have them placed in our family. 💔💔💔💔
It’s so true. Most adoptive moms myself included have waited years & done tons of mental & emotional work to prepare for such an important responsibility. The fact that Lori called JJ a “drug baby” is totally insane to me. That’s just so far off the charts of what would ever be considered ok or normal in the adoption world. But then again Lori didn’t really want to ADOPT, per se. I think she just wanted a child with Charles so he would be obligated to support her financially no matter what.
She could have given them up. She found the service dog a new home. But she made money off it. With them gone she was making money off them also. Greedy bitch!!
@NYCH FAN My best friend, for many years, is adopted. Her parents adore her and her children. They adopted a baby boy when she was 5. I loved going to her house to play with the baby. She has no desire to meet her birth mother. She and her brother are very close. Both are well educated and have professional careers. I think adoptive parents are very special.
WHOA!!!! That defense attorney is a class A a**hole!!! Does he think he's winning over the jury by being a complete jerk???? "You've had 3 years to prepare".
@@dianealarcon8304 i recently went back and watched chads preliminary hearing. Pryor come across very aggressive. I don’t think he will be skipping any cross examination
@@jennyobrien849 yes!!!!!!!! I watched it before....he is annoying, always crying to the judge...with "to be honest "....I don't think jurors gonna like him much!!!!!
Mr. Thomas’ cross of the ERT leader is incredibly offensive and inept. A much better strategy would have been to say, “No questions” when asked by the judge.
The defense has been trying to assert that Lori Vallow was influenced by Chad Daybell and essentially his influence is the reason for all of these murders. However, the questions which keep popping in my mind are: IF that is true, then WHY were Charles Vallow, Tylee, and JJ deemed as "dark" and "zombies", and later Brandon Boudreaux too, yet there was NO testimony from Melanie Gibbs or Zulema that indicated any discussions about Tammy Daybell or the five Daybell children being deemed "dark" or "zombies"????? Chad told people he believed Tammy would die before he was 50 years old, but unless I missed it, there was NO discussion about her being a "dark spirit", possessed, or a zombie. My point is: Without a doubt, Lori Vallow is equally guilty in these murders along with Chad Daybell and her brother, Alex Cox.
Yes, if she was truly innocent, then after she found out how Her Children’s bodies were mis-treated by her husband and found on his property that should have sent her screaming to the prosecutors for justice. So disturbing, no excuses.
OMG 😣 JJ's cause of death: Asphyxia from plastic bag over the head and duct tape over the mouth. SEVEN YEARS OLD!!! They duct taped his mouth and put a plastic bag over his head and let him suffocate!!!!! What was going through his little head? Heartbreaking! 💔💔💔💔💔
It’s absolutely horrific….and Lori said to her sister Summer.. “Nobody knows what I’ve been through”…what a monster. What she did to her children is pure evil. I also hope Alex is burning in hell right now. 💔💔💔😢
"Burial site" is way too dignified for what was done to those poor kids. If speaking the whole truth was permitted in a court of law, they'd call it a "Disposal site" because those children were disposed of like garbage. 😡
Thank you for the daily uploads of this trial. I listen throughout the day, in the UK. A case has never gripped me as much aa this one. Thank you Nate and I.N.❤
I can't believe the judge and prosecution allows the defense to be such an absolute jerk to the professional witnesses. Is this normally allowed and tolerated in a court room? It is absurd!
From TN… Again , Lori doesn’t deserve to be called a mother! I’m having terrible anxiety just thinking about these poor children!!! JJ was aware and coherent while being duct taped at the mouth and suffocated with a bag around his precious head! Unconscionable that a human could do such… especially to a family member. I can’t conceive such!!! 😢 The wicked will be forgotten! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 I can’t understand Lori, Chad and their cult followers with little or no emotion! I have such a love for these children And for those who truly were their family … shown by their concern and adoration. Comfort to all family members! 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
Yes, he scratched at Chad’s neck!! This is his M.O. He, also, asphyxiated Tammy. At Chad’s trial they have to point this out! What a monster, all for his church of the first born. I hope they do not take the DP off the table when he is tried. What he did to these children is beyond comprehension.
I just wonder if it was CD or Alex Cox who killed the children or maybe even both? Maybe in Tammy’s case also?? So many individuals should be held accountable in my opinion. These poor kids and my heart goes out to Kay and Larry 😢
I always hoped that JJ was unconscious and not aware of what was happening to him. This testimony broke my heart. To imagine the fear he must have felt in his final moments is unbearable.
Thank you Nate for the, information I've learned from listening to these people, testifying and especually for your explanations after the end of the trial days. Also thank you to your family for the time you're spending in Boise away from them. Great job! 😊
The evil deeds performed on JJ and Tylee is an atrocity beyond comprehension. We can only hope JJ was already gone when they buried him. I cannot understand what twisted mind could concoct such a horrid thing to do to a child especially if they really did do this in the name of religion. And the same goes for the Stauch boy who was murdered by his step mother. Lori and Latecia Stauch should be roommates in prison. They deserve each other.
@@gwennk4962 Yeah he has to make it seem like he is trying, otherwise, she could get a retrial. He has absolutely nothing to work with and Lori didn't want to take an insanity plea (which is super dumb)
@@gwennk4962 He should not make matters worse for his despicable client by further irritating the jury with pointless disrespectful questions, in my opinion.
She’ll have to be segregated so she wont be murdered, but that’ll only last a year, and then she’ll be expected to integrate into the general population. She wont be protected forever.
The state had made an error with the discovery process. So the defense team used that to get the death penalty off the table. Sadly! But there is still hope for Az next. They won’t make the same mistake again. Either way, she isn’t getting out.
Please wallpaper Lori & Chad’s prison cells with enlarged autopsy photos of JJ, Tylee, Charles and Tammy! I hope their faces and happy memories haunt them -with every heartbeat for their remaining days!
Listening to all this evidence has me shook to my soul. I am in Pennsylvania and work 2nd shift ,2 to 10:30, I listen to the replays and I appreciate your coverage on this case. You have been my go to from the time you started covering this case in 2019 when the kids were reported missing to present day. Thank you for all you do. I sure there are things you've heard and seen that will stay with you your entire life.
If giving the choice I would never want to see the pictures. What infuriates me is that the defense is able to get very important rulings. Prejudicial?? How? We, the public have no saying on this case, so it doesn't matter if we see the pics or not. I hope the jurors are smart, & can see the horror & pain this greedy, hypocritical bunch unleashed on those defenseless children. I'm beyond upset.
Can’t believe they were trying to let her get out of sitting through this horrific testimony. She deserves to have to see the photos of what her choices did to those poor little kids. Hopefully it’s a sight she will go to bed with every night for the rest of her life!
It will never get to her. She's a psychopath with a huge god-complex. I bet she's proud of what they've done to all victims. If she shows any emotion at all it's all manipulation to appear like a 'normal human being'. I believe all 3 are/were psychopaths.
Listening from SW Missouri. This case is beyond comprehension!! I can’t believe how this cult and all of them are so evil. They will definitely have to answer to a our God. Only He will have a say. I’m praying for all the family members , who truly loved these two children and the two adults that we know of, and pray there will be some peace for them and in some way be able to move forward
The GHB reminds me of what was said about Alex - he was always going down to Mexico for "meds." The summer of 2019 he was constantly going. Imo, it's a very real possibility that he would've had GHB.
And let’s not forget, Zeluma felt like she couldn’t move, but was aware enough to hear what was going on around her when hubby Alex gave her a massage on large piece of plastic. Sounds like she was drugged?
Agree!!!!!!!! I hope JJ was unconscious, , so he didn't feel and see them....my brain just can not understand this monsters, evil and manipulative people!!!!!!!!!! 😡😠Justice for children!!!!!!!!!!!😇🙏
NATE I hope that you are doing well having to see and hear all this horrific things that went on in this case. I hope if you need help with this that you will get it.Mylove and BLESSINGS to you and Erica and your children. From AKRON OHIO ❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊
I’m thankful that Larry and Kay didn’t have to see their precious JJ in the state of how he was found. My heart goes out to those who love him for having to hear the details of the autopsy. I can’t imagine having to be on the jury and having to see the images of JJ. I’m sure those images will be burned into their memory forever. I pray that justice is served for these heinous crimes. RIP JJ, Tylee, Tammy, Charles, and whom ever else was murdered by this cult of evil, narcissistic, self serving individuals.
JJ would be 10yrs if he was still alive this is the age of my child,yesterday I hugged my boy so tight after listening to yesterday testimony,the pure terror,torture that child went through from the one person that was supposed to protect him his mom..😡she’s not a mother nor a person she’s a “pure evil monster”May justice prevail..This case is so Heartbreaking I have a daughter and a son same age of TR and JJ,may they rest 😔in peace God will put evil where it needs to be 🙏🏼
It would make sense if Chad buried JJ, and Alex buried Tylee. JJ's grave was well-thought-out with the stones and the roots and the burm...Tylee's was not, with the bucket and the jewelry charm and the remains left in the fire pit. So maybe mr. Gravedigger Chad thought "if I want it done right, I'll have to do it myself."
Chad was all about rituals. He suffocated JJ like he did his wife. He was knee deep in the binding of JJ and everything that was done to Tylee says ritual. I think you are correct about Uncle Alex quickly burying Tylee. I don’t think he could stomach what Chad did to his niece, so he haphazardly left items behind. Chad was more methodical.
@@jefflinder3146 they love bombed him so much about how important he was and that he was a warrior for them and for God, and by all accounts he believed what they told him. So that's my only guess, that he was really deluded enough to think that he was doing the right thing
I don’t think there was anything haphazard about Tylee. Whoever did that absolutely decimated her body. Just smashed it to bits and burned it. It was sick and twisted and full of hatred.
Abominable, there is NO excuse whatsoever for this evil, diabolical, psychopathic way of treating children . Prison for life for both Vallow and Daybell and they are lucky bcz JJ and Tylee suffered WAY MORE THAN THEY'LL EVER WILL. DEVIL MOTHER and HELLISH CULT LEADER ,I'm so mad, poor kids I can't wrap my mind around this.
Praying the jury convicts full blast….and soon…. Justice is coming for JJ, Tylee and Tammy as well as Charles, Joe. Alex can rot. Well done Nate for getting through it. It’s tough.
The comments on here prove how highly Nate you are thought of, and East Idaho news. I live in the UK as I've said many times to you before, Lol So I have you as my local news crew.
I am crying just listening to this. What monsters. How in the world could they believe they were justified in the name of religion. I also sympathize with law enforcement and medical personnel who had to their jobs in this case. I honestly don’t know how any of these people, including the jurors can sleep at night. So so sad.
There's some weird things near his death. It's a bit conspiracy like, but possible. He texts Chad 2 days before his death about a blessing and not feeling well after. Then he texts and says that he thinks "the poison spear to the heart may have done some residual damage". Very odd text that makes me think they did some kind of "ritual" on him. They were obsessed with malachite and doing "healings" with it. Malachite is extremely toxic in the ways they claimed to use it. I wouldn't put as much stock in this if it wasn't 2 DAYS before his death!
There was a forensic death investigator on the Hidden True Crime channel who reviewed the autopsy and Alex was a ticking time bomb physically. He had clear and significant heart issues and other medical issues that were at a point where he was not going to survive. Based on the autopsy, he was sure that Alex actually did die of natural causes. Amazingly coincidental though and maybe the stress and guilt of the murders hastened his death. Even if he intellectually thought they were zombies and didn’t feel guilty, the subconscious mind would have to come into play.
How Lori can go on living knowing what she's done, is beyond my comprehension. Let alone it's unfathomable how any mother could have been okay with any of this. All the money in the world isn't worth any of this. Nor is any man!! It's too bad the death penalty was taken off the table. My lord " how could she "? RIP JJ, Tylee, Charles, Tammy, and Joe. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 May you all have justice knowing Lori will die in prison and hopefully Chad gets the death sentence, Alex is already in Hell. Prayers to the entire families.
I’d love to know if Lori looked at the pictures of JJ and what her response was. I’m sure she had her same “everything is just fine” face. 🤬. Those poor babies.
Mrs . Mayhem, do not ever feel the need to apologize for speaking the truth about anyone who has been involved in doing the horrible things that these horrific people have done . or explaining that you as well have a child who is autistic. I thank you for expressing all that you did to all of us. Love to you and your family and prayers for safety for your son. From AKRON, OHIO ❤❤❤
Trying to keep remains hidden by the way that the grave was done well that would be CHAD because CHAD use to work as a grave digger there for he knows how Graves settle. Solves that mystery. What do you say to that CHAD and LORI?
I don't like to be one of those people who starts making speculations about stuff online, but I agree. The family and friends know a lot more, especially Lori's friends. Like when on the phone call between mg and Lori, Melanie has been told to record a phone convo with Lori, and Lori instantly can tell that she is being wired up because she knows that Melanie wouldn't be asking this stuff otherwise, she also keeps repeating something to the effect of "with the amount you know about this situation, you shouldn't be asking that". MG is just playing dumb to absolve herself of any responsibility of anything pertaining to this cult
From the testimonies of Melanie and David, it sounded like Chad was the one that restrained JJ. Chad said JJ scratched his neck when he took him out of the kitchen. Most likely, he was fighting at Chad, as he was being taken from Lori’s apt. to Alex’s before David and Melanie awoke. I think David,’s nightmare was, in fact, JJ fighting off Chad in the adjacent bedroom. How scared and confused JJ had to have been that last night. Awful.
I believe JJ was drugged with GHB. Remember from 2020 interview on East Idaho News when MG described Alex bringing JJ back to Lori’s apartment where they were making the podcast. Melanie Gibbs stated that Alex was carrying JJ and that he appeared asleep… JJ was carried upstairs to Lori’s bedroom
MG and David while on the stand stated the last time they saw JJ was when Chad took him up stairs after he had been to Alex’s and returned. Chad returned with a scratched neck. I believe that’s when Chad strangled that child. He was already dead when removed from the house in the middle of the night The cockamamie story of the nightmare by David was an excuse in case he was giving a lie detector test. MG and David contradict one another as well re their sleeping arrangements. MG stated they were in separate bedrooms. David said she was next to him and woke him up. Liars.
@Stacy G, I wonder if the 'nosy neighbor' knew what was buried? Apparently he knew everything about the neighbors. He died of a lung clot SOON after Tammy died, same as Alex. I listened to a great interview from an old neighbor of Chad and Tommy's who said this 'nosy neighbor' knew things about her property before she did and she thinks he could have seen or heard something. JJ's burial had to take many hours and lots of noise. *If I get dates incorrect or anything else I apologize.
Kay and Larry I love you and sending you strength and love and meny prayers God be with you as you fight for justice for your jj and tylee and Charles and tammy she murdered so many bless you both and we know the great job Nate has done hope you sleep well tonight
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 i think this is an older person who thinks those emojis are crying. My friends mom kept texting LOL to everyone before funeral services - we had to explain to her it did NOT mean lots of love......poor thing sent 'lol' to everybody
yeah, the opening statement made me feel sorry for the guy, they literally have Zilch. What can he really do? He can't just magic up a good defence. She is maintaining all innocence despite the overwhelming evidence and she has provided him with nothing to work with. She didn't even allow her defence team to take the road of an insanity plea, at least with that they may have had a chance at something better than life in prison. It reminds me of the Chandler Halderson trial. There was so much evidence against Halderson but he kept quiet, maintained his innocence, and gave his defence team NOTHING to work with. He lost of course, and his defence team came across as a bunch of oafs.
@@Hannah-y2z I actually liked his defense team. They flat out refused to cross many of the witnesses instead of being a patronizing twatwaffle like this lawyer. Then they got up and literally said it's not our job to yell, be rude or ask endless questions. It's our job to make sure our client's rights are not violated and he gets a fair trial. And that's what they did. Without being rude to every witness that brought their client closer to conviction.
@@Hannah-y2z my understanding was that Lori has tried going with an incompetence/insanity please twice, but was simply found after examination not to be insane. Thankfully you can’t just say you are insane to be allowed to plea that you are.
Gosh. I'm just speechless. How incredibly sad and tragic. This case is devastating. THE WHOLE THING. The horrible way these angels mother ki#led them and buried them in shallow graves & also the Gannon Stauch case, where that witch was just as evil, diabolical and downright demonic, I think after these trials are done, I'm going to go on a long break from True Crime. I can feel my soul being weighed down from this. Not that I'm complaining, because ultimately it's how I feel I can honor the victims, to at least watch and listen, as a citizen of USA, and ensure justice is served! But my heart, yall.. It's all so horrible and I hope that the angels of heaven have those babies and are holding them extra tight and surrounding then with love and pure light. I believe they are. 🕯️😇😇😇 🙏💖💙💜
With all these gruesome details wonder if Lori is reacting. I know if I was a parent of two kids that was killed in such a way as these two kids was murdered. I would be screaming and crying my eyes out
Her inner darkness is really showing in her outer appearance. This whole thing is just completely gut wrenching and sickening. From what the criminal pathologist has stated, Little J.J. was most likely alive and he was suffocated to death. According to the scratch mark on his neck he was trying to pull the bag off his head. This makes his murder even more devastating. And as for Tylee it had been stated by Lori or Chad that Zombies could only be delt with by burning them. Given everything they were practicing which in no way could be construed as Christian, is by all intents and purposes pure evil, and Witch craft. When they discuss Casting with their intent being someone was going to suffer an untimely death that is Witch craft. You can color it anyway you want but it is nothing less than Evil. My heart goes out to Charles Vallow's Family, and Lori Vallow's Son and Brother Adam. I'm sorry but I have little patience for the remaining family members who are steeped in denial. Tammy Daybell's Children should be ashamed. It just shows how much their mother meant to them.
Let’s not confuse “witchcraft” with evil. Wiccans are by all accounts peace and nature loving people. Whilst there are people who practice “black magic” in other cultures, they don’t describe themselves as witches. Giving names like this to people like Lori Vallow perpetuates the idea that these people are monsters or something other than plain human beings. When we believe that bad people are like something out of fiction, that they are so different to the rest of us, we lessen our ability to recognise terrible people when they are in our lives. We are looking for monsters or witches, when in actual fact they are pathetic losers, just horribly flawed people. They have no special power. This is particularly important to teach children so they know that bad people look and often behave just like everyone else. Lori is an example of this-those who knew her were so convinced that she was a good person and so incapable of this that they kept believing it even in the face of so much evidence to the contrary.
Lori is horrible and ugly inside and out!! I don’t think that jury is going to give her a chance to walk away from this!! The jury has to be sick from what they have had to witness!
Seriously frustrated with the defense atty, he’s beyond rude. “You’ve had 3 yrs to prepare for this didnt you…” I could say Tyne same for the defense atty who also had an extensive Amy of time to prepare but didn’t.
Good grief! The defence lawyer is so incredibly condescending and rude when he’s questioning the experts!
tbh, he's probably depressed as hell. Imagine having to defend the devil herself, whilst knowing that the case is absolutely unwinnable. I would be grumpy too
Grumpies in the courtroom and throwing-up when you get home.
It would make me want to retire after representing her.
I cant stand there smartass questions & how they push she was a good mother,What are they trying to say look she was a good mum so we should turn a blind eye to the horrific death's she sentenced those kids to,She makes me sick & so do these defence lawyers
@@annettelacey7913 I totally agree with you. Idk how any defense lawyer defends someone they probably know they’re guilty. However I have come to the conclusion that if Lori defense attorney didn’t try to discredit witnesses or evidence then Lori has a greater chance of winning an appeal. I just hope none of these jurors buy into Lori is In-N-Out’s because she was a good mom before. Anyone can change in a instance from being good to bad or vice versa.
He's doing his job imo, trying to create reasonble doubt, defending his client in a way the verdict won't be overthrown due to insufficient assistance of counsel. He's a public defender.
00:08:27 continue with Steve Daniels (FBI Special Agent)
00:52:28 Steve Daniels cross examination
01:02:58 Dr. Garth Warren (Forensic pathologist)
Doing the lord’s work! Ty!
Thank you so much for posting the timestamps every day 💗
Thank you for posting this! It is so incredibly helpful!
I really feel for the jurors, as well. You know they had absolutely no idea what they were getting into when they were called to serve. The graphic photos of incomprehensible violence against innocent children is beyond their worst nightmares. Not everyone has seen human decomposition. It’s horrific. I pray for their strength and that they aren’t left with trauma after the trial has ended. I also pray that they have the courage, reason and resolve to find these evil maggots guilty and put them away for life without parole.
Nate you have no idea the great work your doing ! We get attached to victims and often we don’t see the trials unless it’s high profile. We all want Justice for the victims. You help us heal from these wounds. Thank you isn’t enough.
I recently lost a son in a tragic accident. Since that day, I have been an absolute mess and simply cannot fathom, if Lori was seen in her past to be such a good mother, how that can all disappear, due to her being taken in by Chad and his insane ideas. I am so affected by the horrific way in which these two children lost their lives, as a total stranger. How can she not be? 😢
I'm so sorry
@Lesley
Blessings, cherished memories, comfort, grace, and prayers.
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@Lesley I am so very sorry for your incredible loss. Yes as Mother to Mother we do not understand how one can lose your intense connection to your child. It’s unfathomable ! I ask myself the same question in regards to Lori. Did Chad really brain wash her?? Zombies??
My heart aches for you, and your following such a horrific, sad trial. May God comfort you and ease your pain. Much love and blessings
Lori was very good at putting on a false front..... The facade of being a good mother. Chad did not bring out anything and Lori that was not already there.......
I'm very sorry for your loss of your son.😢😢😢😢😢😢
I"m so so sorry. Grief over a child or grandchild is unthinkable.
Thank you Nate for representing all of us viewers who are waiting for justice for JJ, Tylee, Charles and Tammy. Outstanding reporting today.
My heart goes out to Kaye and Larry who have to sit and listen to this. Love from Australia. Hugs to you both. Xx
I was thinking this same thing with yesterday's testimony. It breaks my heart. Lori seems to be a psychopath in my opinion. 😢💔
Im watching from mlbourne,this case is horrific
Yesss. 🙏😇❤️ Prayer and love and all the light of heaven to Kay and Larry, tonight and always. ❤️🕯️🕯️
i haven’t felt this kind of anger toward a woman before… her total disregard for that sweet little boy and her daughter is just unfathomable.. the epitome of selfishness and narcissism. She thought she was “light?” And Chad was “light” but anyone in her way was conveniently “dark”, what an arrogant egotistical shallow fool…
Yep and she determines all of it.
I think she was just tired of the kids. What a disgusting piece of crap she is. She wanted to be a ⭐. A goddess because being a mother wasn't good enough for her.
I thank God for the Amazing mother that I have. She raised us with love and respect. It wasn't easy for her because my dad took off to be with his other family ( that we didn't know existed) and left us without a home. Love your Mom and thank God you didn't have to go through what J.J and Tyler went through.
She redefines the term “witch” and “spawn of Satan”. Hell is too good for her and all her minions.
@@shuckydarn2856 LV didnt even have a hint or a ‘hard life’. She was privileged and entitled, raised LDS, she got to br the cheerleader, she got the guys, the fam was all about appearances and looking good. NOW look at her, the ugly is seeping out to her exterior.
@@tektako the wicked witch
is melting
Dreadful people. Those poor children.
Lakes Region, New Hampshire here. My heart broke into a million pieces when I saw your earlier post about the autopsy results. That dear little boy suffered horribly, as did Tylee. Just heartbreaking.
It’s so much more terrible than I imagined…. 😢💔
@@Mataylor17 Lori even returned JJ’s emotional support dog back to the agency That granted him one… I’m heartbroken by the complete evil that walks amongst us
@@Mataylor17 i agree 100 % with you
@@Mataylor17As an adoptive mom of a child on with ASD, you are 100% correct!
@Mrs Mayhem no apology needed.
Nate following you from New Zealand, thanks for doing such an amazing job for the victims and families left behind to deal with that pain! Love and Light 🕯️
Kia Ora also watching from NZ ❤
Hello from South Africa 🇿🇦
No one could influence me to feel so cold toward my children. I'm thinking Lori has always been a sick cookie.
All evidence points to Chad killing these children in such a brutal fashion. They both deserve prison for life.
@@jamiealexander4888 prison? You have too much compassion for them...
Thank you for posting the audio trial Nate! I usually listen to them after your “insider”
Thank You for keeping us up to date daily! ❤️
Nate, your dedication is so greatly appreciated!
I do too... I can listen while I work and stop when interrupted but turn it right back on when it gets quiet again. Thank you so much Nate for your dedication in this case and for all of these victims. You are a true blessing to this community and this grieving family! Such great reporting, again thank you sir for your service.
Her attorney wants to question this man about the specifics of his memory of sifting but for what it doesn’t change a single thing.
I still think when Lori said to summer . “ yea, but months later “ is a confession that she knew the kids were dead and where they were …
She’s beyond of any defense.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035At this point she's not even human, at least not in my book, because humans have to have humanity to earn that title. She was just very good at pretending to have a soul
Of cause she knew where they were,
Yup I caught that too that she said to Summer it was months later so she basically admitted to knowing JJ and Tylee were deceased. Also Lori said to Colby and Summer that they don’t know because they weren’t there and only she knows and God knows. Lori also played the what about me card saying she had a rough life because this is all about Tylee and JJ. So that’s the narcissist in Lori. I just hope the jurors aren’t as gullible and naive as Lori or Melanie G. !!
She definitely screwed up when she said that. But she did say it. IMO that should have been all the evidence needed to convict her
Thank you, EIN for getting trial updates to us as soon as they are available to the public.
You have a great team and crew giving us insightful information, great interviews, all with grace.
TY 🙏🏻🍀
New Zealand in the house Nate! Waiting anxiously 👏 A huge thank you from afar 🌠 🌊⏳
Thank You Nate for posting this.
Wow that pathologist was very interesting to listen to. He explained things very well😮
Omg. Poor JJ, it's just heartbreaking.
What mother could listen to this and not be sobbing and falling apart.😢
Literally me last night listening to Summer's phone call... as a mother of many children (7) my heart is broken by the amount of pain I feel for these children. I would've taken them in myself to keep them safe! My 10 year old son reached over and held my hand as tears ran down my eyes sobbing 😭 Even at his young age he can't bare but feel so emotional too, even saying Lori shows nothing for her children and responds so well being calm.
Absolutely
@@melissamercado1080 ❤💔
Psychopaths lack empathy.
@@melissamercado1080 i find it so jard to believe a mother goes from this great mum to pure evil,Id bet she hid alot over the years and had alot of people fooled,she is still with chad & still believes the crap her and chad preach,She is dangerous in and out of prison i think,
Nate following you from Australia thanks for your amazing coverage for the victims and family .
From Gilbert, Arizona here. To know this murderous mother lived less than a mile away from me is scary. A true sociopath.
How can this woman sit there and hear the descriptions of her children's graves and not show any remorse or heartbreak. The jury members were described as more impacted than her.
Idaho and Colorado been through a lot in the last 4 yrs.
I live in Colorado but also lived in Idaho justice for all the victims it will prevail.
She should have to see these pictures of the kids on a loop in her cell
Her and chrs watts should have the deaths of there kids and how they desposed if there kids run on loop in there cells,true evil they both are
Praying for everyone!! From Southeast Missouri here!!!
Love to Missouri, from California
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STL here !! Much love to everyone
We live in southwest Missouri! Hi neighbor. Yes.. praying for all the victims. How on God's green earth can lori not break down knowing the reality of her actions?!
I was gut wrenching to hear him describe while he cut through the one bag then another bag then sees skull and JJ's hair. I watch and listen to a lot of true crime but this was by far the most emotional thing ive heard. RIP little JJ 😢
Poor kid,must of been scared and not know what was happening when they taped his face and put a plastic bag over his head to kill him,im horrified how jj died,probebly much the same happened to tylee,It was like they tested out 2 ways of doing it binding & cutting up a,body to see for future victins & the best way of doing it for future zombies,gross evil horrible monsters
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@@annettelacey7913 tammy daybell was ‘asphyxiated’ too
As an adoptive mom to a child on the autism spectrum, I would like to say Lori is an anomaly! I understand burnout and needing a break, she had a huge support system of family who loved her and her kids, and who wanted to help her. I don't think she was ever capable of loving, she just masked it. If she cared, her children would have come before anyone/thing else. JJ's daddy would be alive, and Tylee and JJ would be with him, or other relatives if she wanted to release her parental rights. I hope this case does not color people's thoughts towards other adoptive families. 99.9 of us WANT our children, and worked very hard to be able to have them placed in our family. 💔💔💔💔
It’s so true. Most adoptive moms myself included have waited years & done tons of mental & emotional work to prepare for such an important responsibility. The fact that Lori called JJ a “drug baby” is totally insane to me. That’s just so far off the charts of what would ever be considered ok or normal in the adoption world. But then again Lori didn’t really want to ADOPT, per se. I think she just wanted a child with Charles so he would be obligated to support her financially no matter what.
No sane person would ever think that Lori Vallow represents adoptive parents, or any parents for that matter!
She could have given them up. She found the service dog a new home. But she made money off it. With them gone she was making money off them also. Greedy bitch!!
Totally agree, my son is my world. He will forever be my son!❤️❤️❤️
@NYCH FAN My best friend, for many years, is adopted. Her parents adore her and her children. They adopted a baby boy when she was 5. I loved going to her house to play with the baby. She has no desire to meet her birth mother. She and her brother are very close. Both are well educated and have professional careers. I think adoptive parents are very special.
1:02:55 Medical Examinater Testimony begins
Thank you
Takes about 10 minutes or so to get through his credentials
Thank you!!
Who's before?
@@SkoomaCat agent Daniel's fbi
WHOA!!!! That defense attorney is a class A a**hole!!! Does he think he's winning over the jury by being a complete jerk???? "You've had 3 years to prepare".
Yes.
Next we get to hear Mr. Pryor at Chad’s trial. ughh 😣
The whining, theatrics, I’m gonna have to do some meditation b4 listening to him. Lol
@@dianealarcon8304THIS!
I had second hand embarrassment listening to him go on absolutely ineffectually. So much so it seemed like it was a point to the prosecution.
@@dianealarcon8304 i recently went back and watched chads preliminary hearing. Pryor come across very aggressive. I don’t think he will be skipping any cross examination
@@jennyobrien849 yes!!!!!!!! I watched it before....he is annoying, always crying to the judge...with "to be honest "....I don't think jurors gonna like him much!!!!!
Mr. Thomas’ cross of the ERT leader is incredibly offensive and inept. A much better strategy would have been to say, “No questions” when asked by the judge.
Agreed. He made a fool of himself and lawyers everywhere.
The defense has been trying to assert that Lori Vallow was influenced by Chad Daybell and essentially his influence is the reason for all of these murders. However, the questions which keep popping in my mind are: IF that is true, then WHY were Charles Vallow, Tylee, and JJ deemed as "dark" and "zombies", and later Brandon Boudreaux too, yet there was NO testimony from Melanie Gibbs or Zulema that indicated any discussions about Tammy Daybell or the five Daybell children being deemed "dark" or "zombies"????? Chad told people he believed Tammy would die before he was 50 years old, but unless I missed it, there was NO discussion about her being a "dark spirit", possessed, or a zombie. My point is: Without a doubt, Lori Vallow is equally guilty in these murders along with Chad Daybell and her brother, Alex Cox.
Yes, if she was truly innocent, then after she found out how Her Children’s bodies were mis-treated
by her husband and found on his property that should have sent her screaming to the prosecutors for justice. So disturbing, no excuses.
Tammy was dark, she had a demon named Viola.
Also, two of Melani Palowski's children were labeled dark as well. Good thing Brandon got them!
Agreed.
It would take a ton of evidence to convince me that Lori isn't the mastermind behind all of it.
I hope they made sure that Lori could have a full view of the autopsy photographs.
OMG 😣 JJ's cause of death: Asphyxia from plastic bag over the head and duct tape over the mouth. SEVEN YEARS OLD!!! They duct taped his mouth and put a plastic bag over his head and let him suffocate!!!!! What was going through his little head? Heartbreaking! 💔💔💔💔💔
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😢 so sad and he probably was trying to yell for mom
I pray his Dad came as quickly as possible to escort him to heaven.
It’s absolutely horrific….and Lori said to her sister Summer.. “Nobody knows what I’ve been through”…what a monster. What she did to her children is pure evil. I also hope Alex is burning in hell right now. 💔💔💔😢
@@sueannnatter5295 that’s a comforting thought…I pray they are together again. 🕊️❤❤
I pass up all the other media about this and go right for East Idaho News.
Same. They deserve all the credit.
This case has really bother me after this is over I’m going to take a break from murder cases!
"Burial site" is way too dignified for what was done to those poor kids. If speaking the whole truth was permitted in a court of law, they'd call it a "Disposal site" because those children were disposed of like garbage. 😡
Thank you for the daily uploads of this trial. I listen throughout the day, in the UK. A case has never gripped me as much aa this one.
Thank you Nate and I.N.❤
I can't believe the judge and prosecution allows the defense to be such an absolute jerk to the professional witnesses. Is this normally allowed and tolerated in a court room? It is absurd!
From TN… Again , Lori doesn’t deserve to be called a mother! I’m having terrible anxiety just thinking about these poor children!!! JJ was aware and coherent while being duct taped at the mouth and suffocated with a bag around his precious head! Unconscionable that a human could do such… especially to a family member. I can’t conceive such!!! 😢
The wicked will be forgotten! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
I can’t understand Lori, Chad and their cult followers with little or no emotion! I have such a love for these children
And for those who truly were their family … shown by their concern and adoration. Comfort to all family members! 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
Yes, he scratched at Chad’s neck!!
This is his M.O. He, also, asphyxiated Tammy. At Chad’s trial they have to point this out!
What a monster, all for his church of the first born.
I hope they do not take the DP off the table when he is tried. What he did to these children is beyond comprehension.
I just wonder if it was CD or Alex Cox who killed the children or maybe even both? Maybe in Tammy’s case also?? So many individuals should be held accountable in my opinion. These poor kids and my heart goes out to Kay and Larry 😢
I always hoped that JJ was unconscious and not aware of what was happening to him. This testimony broke my heart. To imagine the fear he must have felt in his final moments is unbearable.
Thank you Nate for the, information I've learned from listening to these people, testifying and especually for your explanations after the end of the trial days. Also thank you to your family for the time you're spending in Boise away from them. Great job! 😊
The defense attorney asks some questions that make zero sense. He obviously is over his head. His questions really do not matter. Very unlikeable
He has to try and show he is doing his job
The evil deeds performed on JJ and Tylee is an atrocity beyond comprehension. We can only hope JJ was already gone when they buried him. I cannot understand what twisted mind could concoct such a horrid thing to do to a child especially if they really did do this in the name of religion. And the same goes for the Stauch boy who was murdered by his step mother. Lori and Latecia Stauch should be roommates in prison. They deserve each other.
Roommates in hell
@@ScarlettRose7221agreed!
@@ScarlettRose7221Hell is too good for them.
Amen. Rip each other's hair out, and quick I'd bet. I'd pay money to see them fight to the death. The actual witches from hell!
Wait did I miss that part?! There’s a question now as to if he was buried alive?! 😰😰😰
I can’t imagine the mind set her attorneys have to be in to defend this sociopath..
Simply put, they know they have a job to do in our system. I could never do that job, but it is necessary.
It's their job. And they have to do the best job they can. I feel sorry for public defenders and the awful cases they HAVE to take and try to defend.
Defense attorney Thomas is unbelievably annoying with his disruptive objections that have no merit.
What else can he do? He has to 'earn his keep' somehow.
That's about all he can do. IMO Lori has no defense at all.
@@gwennk4962 Yeah he has to make it seem like he is trying, otherwise, she could get a retrial. He has absolutely nothing to work with and Lori didn't want to take an insanity plea (which is super dumb)
His breathy voice is irritating and affected.
@@gwennk4962 He should not make matters worse for his despicable client by further irritating the jury with pointless disrespectful questions, in my opinion.
“And Dr. Warren, have you yourself begun to recover from the profound trauma you experienced by performing these two autopsies?”
Big sigh… 😢
I can’t imagine..what was done to Tylee is beyond comprehension. 💔💔
This truly makes me wish the prosecutors added the death penalty on the table.
But if she gets solidarity confinement, that’s fine too.. sadly I doubt it.
She’ll have to be segregated so she wont be murdered, but that’ll only last a year, and then she’ll be expected to integrate into the general population. She wont be protected forever.
She deserves the death penalty if anybody did she does
The state had made an error with the discovery process. So the defense team used that to get the death penalty off the table. Sadly! But there is still hope for Az next. They won’t make the same mistake again. Either way, she isn’t getting out.
They still have the opportunity to try them in Arizona for Vallow murder. There is a death penalty available here.
Totally ridiculous questions from this defense lawyer. Talk about scraping the barrel!!
John Thomas appears to have EATEN the entire barrel!
Please wallpaper Lori & Chad’s prison cells with enlarged autopsy photos of JJ, Tylee, Charles and Tammy! I hope their faces and happy memories haunt them -with every heartbeat for their remaining days!
Nate thank you for posting earlier, the east coast thanks you
Tallahassee Florida
😢This is so sad for theses children Why must things like this happen Crazy people in this world NO CHILD DESERVES THIS
It’s 😞 how these kid were killed. JUSTICE FOR JJ , TYLEE, CHARLES and TAMMY may they rest in piece.
I don't normally say anything about spelling, but given the details in this case, please edit your comment to "peace". Thank you ❤
@@awright119021 really? Wow
Lollipop Lexi I believe A Wright is referring to the way poor Tylee was found which is what prompted her polite request of the change in spelling.
Listening to all this evidence has me shook to my soul. I am in Pennsylvania and work 2nd shift ,2 to 10:30, I listen to the replays and I appreciate your coverage on this case. You have been my go to from the time you started covering this case in 2019 when the kids were reported missing to present day. Thank you for all you do. I sure there are things you've heard and seen that will stay with you your entire life.
you work at night?
If giving the choice I would never want to see the pictures. What infuriates me is that the defense is able to get very important rulings. Prejudicial?? How? We, the public have no saying on this case, so it doesn't matter if we see the pics or not.
I hope the jurors are smart, & can see the horror & pain this greedy, hypocritical bunch unleashed on those defenseless children. I'm beyond upset.
Thank you from Colorado for covering this.
Can’t believe they were trying to let her get out of sitting through this horrific testimony. She deserves to have to see the photos of what her choices did to those poor little kids. Hopefully it’s a sight she will go to bed with every night for the rest of her life!
They should put up photos in her cell so she can see them every day
It will never get to her. She's a psychopath with a huge god-complex. I bet she's proud of what they've done to all victims. If she shows any emotion at all it's all manipulation to appear like a 'normal human being'.
I believe all 3 are/were psychopaths.
Lord help us. This is so sad and horrific. Why. Just why😢.
Thank you from Illinois!
As a parent I cannot!! How this mother allowed this !!! God almighty! May these babies forever rest in the arms of the Lord.
Listening from SW Missouri. This case is beyond comprehension!! I can’t believe how this cult and all of them are so evil. They will definitely have to answer to a our God. Only He will have a say. I’m praying for all the family members , who truly loved these two children and the two adults that we know of, and pray there will be some peace for them and in some way be able to move forward
A cult of 6 people, 2 in prison, 1 dead, 3 denying
how is it that nobody in a court room knows how to use a power button on a monitor???
good point. maybe you need to have a degree or something 😂😂
The GHB reminds me of what was said about Alex - he was always going down to Mexico for "meds." The summer of 2019 he was constantly going. Imo, it's a very real possibility that he would've had GHB.
And let’s not forget, Zeluma felt like she couldn’t move, but was aware enough to hear what was going on around her when hubby Alex gave her a massage on large piece of plastic.
Sounds like she was drugged?
Agree!!!!!!!! I hope JJ was unconscious, , so he didn't feel and see them....my brain just can not understand this monsters, evil and manipulative people!!!!!!!!!! 😡😠Justice for children!!!!!!!!!!!😇🙏
Yes, and drugged JJ before he, Chad and Lori killed him in cold blood! Bastards! They'll pay!
@@dianealarcon8304 omg! YES!! I forgot about that!!!!! That story was crazy!!!
It seems we now know why David had a nightmare, possibly he heard what was happening to JJ.
Gruesome, seems that lori and alex were angry with JJ . It makes me very sad, thinking about what that poor baby went through.
I cannot conceive of anything worse than the way they treated those kids.
Thank You NATE EATON #EAST IDAHO NEWS 📰 and FAMILY.
NATE I hope that you are doing well having to see and hear all this horrific things that went on in this case. I hope if you need help with this that you will get it.Mylove and BLESSINGS to you and Erica and your children. From AKRON OHIO ❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊
I’m thankful that Larry and Kay didn’t have to see their precious JJ in the state of how he was found. My heart goes out to those who love him for having to hear the details of the autopsy. I can’t imagine having to be on the jury and having to see the images of JJ. I’m sure those images will be burned into their memory forever. I pray that justice is served for these heinous crimes.
RIP JJ, Tylee, Tammy, Charles, and whom ever else was murdered by this cult of evil, narcissistic, self serving individuals.
JJ would be 10yrs if he was still alive this is the age of my child,yesterday I hugged my boy so tight after listening to yesterday testimony,the pure terror,torture that child went through from the one person that was supposed to protect him his mom..😡she’s not a mother nor a person she’s a “pure evil monster”May justice prevail..This case is so Heartbreaking I have a daughter and a son same age of TR and JJ,may they rest 😔in peace God will put evil where it needs to be 🙏🏼
It would make sense if Chad buried JJ, and Alex buried Tylee. JJ's grave was well-thought-out with the stones and the roots and the burm...Tylee's was not, with the bucket and the jewelry charm and the remains left in the fire pit. So maybe mr. Gravedigger Chad thought "if I want it done right, I'll have to do it myself."
Chad was all about rituals. He suffocated JJ like he did his wife.
He was knee deep in the binding of JJ and everything that was done to Tylee says ritual.
I think you are correct about Uncle Alex quickly burying Tylee. I don’t think he could stomach what Chad did to his niece, so he haphazardly left items behind.
Chad was more methodical.
I wonder why her brother would play such a vicious roll in this…?
@@jefflinder3146 they love bombed him so much about how important he was and that he was a warrior for them and for God, and by all accounts he believed what they told him. So that's my only guess, that he was really deluded enough to think that he was doing the right thing
I don’t think there was anything haphazard about Tylee. Whoever did that absolutely decimated her body. Just smashed it to bits and burned it. It was sick and twisted and full of hatred.
Yes, Squeaks, you’re correct. I think the decimation was Chads doing. I think Alex did the burying.
Abominable, there is NO excuse whatsoever for this evil, diabolical, psychopathic way of treating children . Prison for life for both Vallow and Daybell and they are lucky bcz JJ and Tylee suffered WAY MORE THAN THEY'LL EVER WILL. DEVIL MOTHER and HELLISH CULT LEADER ,I'm so mad, poor kids I can't wrap my mind around this.
Praying the jury convicts full blast….and soon…. Justice is coming for JJ, Tylee and Tammy as well as Charles, Joe. Alex can rot. Well done Nate for getting through it. It’s tough.
I wonder if Lori will be protected as child killers sometimes are. I presume to guard against law suits from the family?
The comments on here prove how highly Nate you are thought of, and East Idaho news. I live in the UK as I've said many times to you before, Lol So I have you as my local news crew.
I am crying just listening to this. What monsters. How in the world could they believe they were justified in the name of religion. I also sympathize with law enforcement and medical personnel who had to their jobs in this case. I honestly don’t know how any of these people, including the jurors can sleep at night. So so sad.
I think it was all about money but they used religion to justify it.
I wonder if karma killed Alex. Or if he intentionally killer himself out of guilt and fear.
Maybe they k!!!ed him cuz he knew too much?
There's some weird things near his death. It's a bit conspiracy like, but possible. He texts Chad 2 days before his death about a blessing and not feeling well after. Then he texts and says that he thinks "the poison spear to the heart may have done some residual damage". Very odd text that makes me think they did some kind of "ritual" on him. They were obsessed with malachite and doing "healings" with it. Malachite is extremely toxic in the ways they claimed to use it. I wouldn't put as much stock in this if it wasn't 2 DAYS before his death!
There was a forensic death investigator on the Hidden True Crime channel who reviewed the autopsy and Alex was a ticking time bomb physically. He had clear and significant heart issues and other medical issues that were at a point where he was not going to survive. Based on the autopsy, he was sure that Alex actually did die of natural causes. Amazingly coincidental though and maybe the stress and guilt of the murders hastened his death. Even if he intellectually thought they were zombies and didn’t feel guilty, the subconscious mind would have to come into play.
Cochise is a destroyer of the heart muscle. Was Alex an addict?
@@Lollipop_Lexi interesting. do we get to hear the atophy results in this trial too?
How Lori can go on living knowing what she's done, is beyond my comprehension.
Let alone it's unfathomable how any mother could have been okay with any of this. All the money in the world isn't worth any of this. Nor is any man!!
It's too bad the death penalty was taken off the table.
My lord " how could she "?
RIP JJ, Tylee, Charles, Tammy, and Joe. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
May you all have justice knowing Lori will die in prison and hopefully Chad gets the death sentence, Alex is already in Hell.
Prayers to the entire families.
Starts at 08:10
I hope their deeds haunt them for the rest of their lives
I had to fast foward JJ autopsy, i was getting sick to my stomach. So sad.
Nate, an amazing journanlst! Me an ex-Mormon ex Brit, now happy living in a wonderful European country. Thanks for all you do, Nate.
I’d love to know if Lori looked at the pictures of JJ and what her response was. I’m sure she had her same “everything is just fine” face. 🤬. Those poor babies.
They suffocated poor JJ that is so evil. That poor baby boy😢. This judge was wrong for taking the death penalty off the table.
Ooooo Lori shame on you may you rot in hell for entirely!
Mrs . Mayhem, do not ever feel the need to apologize for speaking the truth about anyone who has been involved in doing the horrible things that these horrific people have done . or explaining that you as well have a child who is autistic. I thank you for expressing all that you did to all of us. Love to you and your family and prayers for safety for your son. From AKRON, OHIO ❤❤❤
Trying to keep remains hidden by the way that the grave was done well that would be CHAD because CHAD use to work as a grave digger there for he knows how Graves settle. Solves that mystery. What do you say to that CHAD and LORI?
How did Lori and Alex get jj out of the house without mg and David hearing anything? I think they know more!
I don't like to be one of those people who starts making speculations about stuff online, but I agree. The family and friends know a lot more, especially Lori's friends. Like when on the phone call between mg and Lori, Melanie has been told to record a phone convo with Lori, and Lori instantly can tell that she is being wired up because she knows that Melanie wouldn't be asking this stuff otherwise, she also keeps repeating something to the effect of "with the amount you know about this situation, you shouldn't be asking that". MG is just playing dumb to absolve herself of any responsibility of anything pertaining to this cult
From the testimonies of Melanie and David, it sounded like Chad was the one that restrained JJ. Chad said JJ scratched his neck when he took him out of the kitchen. Most likely, he was fighting at Chad, as he was being taken from Lori’s apt. to Alex’s before David and Melanie awoke.
I think David,’s nightmare was, in fact, JJ fighting off Chad in the adjacent bedroom.
How scared and confused JJ had to have been that last night.
Awful.
@@Hannah-y2z don't put quotation marks around things that weren't actually said. That's not how Lori said that....
I believe JJ was drugged with GHB. Remember from 2020 interview on East Idaho News when MG described Alex bringing JJ back to Lori’s apartment where they were making the podcast. Melanie Gibbs stated that Alex was carrying JJ and that he appeared asleep… JJ was carried upstairs to Lori’s bedroom
MG and David while on the stand stated the last time they saw JJ was when Chad took him up stairs after he had been to Alex’s and returned. Chad returned with a scratched neck. I believe that’s when Chad strangled that child. He was already dead when removed from the house in the middle of the night The cockamamie story of the nightmare by David was an excuse in case he was giving a lie detector test. MG and David contradict one another as well re their sleeping arrangements. MG stated they were in separate bedrooms. David said she was next to him and woke him up.
Liars.
I wonder if any of Chad's family were home during these burials
@Stacy G, I wonder if the 'nosy neighbor' knew what was buried? Apparently he knew everything about the neighbors. He died of a lung clot SOON after Tammy died, same as Alex. I listened to a great interview from an old neighbor of Chad and Tommy's who said this 'nosy neighbor' knew things about her property before she did and she thinks he could have seen or heard something.
JJ's burial had to take many hours and lots of noise.
*If I get dates incorrect or anything else I apologize.
Tammy* (auto correct!)
Yes, Eldon Clawson, the nosey neighbor was found dead along the fence line on Sept. 29, 2019.
He died of a pulmonary embolism.
@@dianealarcon8304 very interesting 🤔
@@dianealarcon8304 wow. What else is known about him?
I HAVE NO WORDS 🌬️🙏🏻AND BLESSINGS TO ALL INVOLVED.🌬️💎🌬️❤️🌬️🙏🏻
Kay and Larry I love you and sending you strength and love and meny prayers God be with you as you fight for justice for your jj and tylee and Charles and tammy she murdered so many bless you both and we know the great job Nate has done hope you sleep well tonight
Poor JJ & Charles & Tami & Tylee 😂😂😂. I pray for all the families 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻. I pray Lori spends the rest of her life in jail❤
I have a feeling you weren’t meaning to be laughing about the victims….
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 i think this is an older person who thinks those emojis are crying. My friends mom kept texting LOL to everyone before funeral services - we had to explain to her it did NOT mean lots of love......poor thing sent 'lol' to everybody
Death. And I don't say this lightly because I don't believe in the death penalty but in this case? I would have no choice.
My eyes are bad and I am old. I never meant to be laughing. Just very sad and crying
@Leena Wexler Prison
California listening.
The defense has NOTHING to work with😅 they're like "so can you repeat yourself?" "Are you a piece of shit? No?" "No further questions...🤷♂️"
yeah, the opening statement made me feel sorry for the guy, they literally have Zilch. What can he really do? He can't just magic up a good defence. She is maintaining all innocence despite the overwhelming evidence and she has provided him with nothing to work with. She didn't even allow her defence team to take the road of an insanity plea, at least with that they may have had a chance at something better than life in prison. It reminds me of the Chandler Halderson trial. There was so much evidence against Halderson but he kept quiet, maintained his innocence, and gave his defence team NOTHING to work with. He lost of course, and his defence team came across as a bunch of oafs.
@@Hannah-y2z I actually liked his defense team. They flat out refused to cross many of the witnesses instead of being a patronizing twatwaffle like this lawyer. Then they got up and literally said it's not our job to yell, be rude or ask endless questions. It's our job to make sure our client's rights are not violated and he gets a fair trial. And that's what they did. Without being rude to every witness that brought their client closer to conviction.
That’s why they are hardly cross examining anyone. They’ve got nothing.
@@Hannah-y2z my understanding was that Lori has tried going with an incompetence/insanity please twice, but was simply found after examination not to be insane. Thankfully you can’t just say you are insane to be allowed to plea that you are.
Thank you Nate
SE Kansas checking in. So disturbing !
Gosh. I'm just speechless. How incredibly sad and tragic.
This case is devastating. THE WHOLE THING. The horrible way these angels mother ki#led them and buried them in shallow graves & also the Gannon Stauch case, where that witch was just as evil, diabolical and downright demonic, I think after these trials are done, I'm going to go on a long break from True Crime. I can feel my soul being weighed down from this. Not that I'm complaining, because ultimately it's how I feel I can honor the victims, to at least watch and listen, as a citizen of USA, and ensure justice is served! But my heart, yall.. It's all so horrible and I hope that the angels of heaven have those babies and are holding them extra tight and surrounding then with love and pure light. I believe they are. 🕯️😇😇😇
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With all these gruesome details wonder if Lori is reacting. I know if I was a parent of two kids that was killed in such a way as these two kids was murdered. I would be screaming and crying my eyes out
Her inner darkness is really showing in her outer appearance. This whole thing is just completely gut wrenching and sickening. From what the criminal pathologist has stated, Little J.J. was most likely alive and he was suffocated to death. According to the scratch mark on his neck he was trying to pull the bag off his head. This makes his murder even more devastating. And as for Tylee it had been stated by Lori or Chad that Zombies could only be delt with by burning them. Given everything they were practicing which in no way could be construed as Christian, is by all intents and purposes pure evil, and Witch craft. When they discuss Casting with their intent being someone was going to suffer an untimely death that is Witch craft. You can color it anyway you want but it is nothing less than Evil. My heart goes out to Charles Vallow's Family, and Lori Vallow's Son and Brother Adam. I'm sorry but I have little patience for the remaining family members who are steeped in denial. Tammy Daybell's Children should be ashamed. It just shows how much their mother meant to them.
Let’s not confuse “witchcraft” with evil. Wiccans are by all accounts peace and nature loving people. Whilst there are people who practice “black magic” in other cultures, they don’t describe themselves as witches. Giving names like this to people like Lori Vallow perpetuates the idea that these people are monsters or something other than plain human beings. When we believe that bad people are like something out of fiction, that they are so different to the rest of us, we lessen our ability to recognise terrible people when they are in our lives. We are looking for monsters or witches, when in actual fact they are pathetic losers, just horribly flawed people. They have no special power. This is particularly important to teach children so they know that bad people look and often behave just like everyone else. Lori is an example of this-those who knew her were so convinced that she was a good person and so incapable of this that they kept believing it even in the face of so much evidence to the contrary.
Lori is horrible and ugly inside and out!! I don’t think that jury is going to give her a chance to walk away from this!! The jury has to be sick from what they have had to witness!
Sad day
Seriously frustrated with the defense atty, he’s beyond rude. “You’ve had 3 yrs to prepare for this didnt you…” I could say Tyne same for the defense atty who also had an extensive Amy of time to prepare but didn’t.
What was the point in the defense asking about grids on the fire pit?
Trying to show they did some missteps
Lori and Chad will join Alex in the eternal fires of Hell at the feet of Satan one day, and that will still be too light a punishment.