I want to say thank you to one of my teachers back in highschool who showed us this song in class. That was the day I fell in love with Bob Dylans music. Still gives me shivers hearing the lyrics
Anyone recall the time when audiences listened to performers instead of yammering like they're home on the couch? Here the silent attention is as riveting as the performance.
There were substantial followers on both sides of the pond who thought he needed a good booing....on numerous occasions throughout his marvelous career.
I lived in Baltimore, at the time, and attended parties at The Belvedere where Hattie Carroll was killed. Driving home from Ocean City, Jimmy Spear sang this song and everyone in the car was moved to tears. It was later that I found out it was a Bob Dylan song.
Hattie Carroll was the descendant of a slave owned by my great great great great great grandfather, Charles Carroll of carrollton Maryland, a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Sometimes... history stabs you in the back!
We were young, idealistic, and angry. Dylan gave our generation voice. We are aging and retired now...but I for one have no intention of giving up on protesting.
Born in 88 lifelong Dylan fan. I've never understood how people that were young in Dylan's prime can be so bigoted and backwards after all this time. With voices like Dylan, Kristofferson, MLK, Ghandi, and Kennedy LOUD and in the forefront of popular culture. The generation that once had the most potential for change and what do they stand for today? Well, they've just elected Donald Trump.
yknow the game show "the price is right" ? at the end the contestant chooses either prize one that he is shown or prize 2 that is hidden. we voted for door 2. but it doesn't matter really it will be the same shit. dont wait for a savoir its not coming
Bob wrote this song based on newspaper accounts. I lived in the Upper Marlboro, MD area for a while, which was Zantzinger's home turf. My old canoeing buddy was a high school classmate of Z, and told me the guys considered him a royal fool, but some of the girls went for him only because he was sorta' good looking, and had money. Anyway, eventually Billy Z. got out of jail, but was later busted on financial fraud for collecting rents on sharecropper farms that he no longer owned. Oh, I actually played gigs at the venue where Hattie met her fate, but not at that time.
I went to a live Dylan concert at Santa Monica Civic Auditorium in the sixties when he had shifted unexpectedly to folk-rock. He came on so strange, was dressed so oddly, and his was music was unrecognisable. I thought, bastard sold out, and I nearly got up to walk out after the first song, which might have been 'Motorpsycho Nightmare.' Lots of people did walk out. I didn't get up and leave, I thought I would listen to one more song. Five minutes later I was levitating in my seat. I learned a valuable lesson that day. I live without music for months, then I get famished. I put on a Dylan album - any Dylan album, and am immediately turned into a quivering mass of ecstatic protoplasm. I then am OK for another year or so of silence.
Ken Bellchambers I feel like listening to music in general once in 48 hours let us say. But my longing for Dylan's music comes as a phenomenon purely on its own every 10 days or so. How often do I long to listen to Dylan is not important. What is important is that he has got his own special place and I feel like listening to him exclusively. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
One of my favorites...I was listening to the literature professor/scholar Christopher Ricks talk about this song once. He noted that the final word of every line in this song has a feminine ending (where the stress is not on the final syllable) except for the verse where Hattie Carroll is killed, where he uses the word "cane" and repeats "table" three times. A reference to Cain & Abel, perhaps? Beyond that, you can definitely see the progression in his writing when you compare the lyrics of this to earlier compositions such as "The Death of Emmett Till".
I loved it when Guy Carawan came and sang one weekend many many moons ago, in the 60s, at my tiny little Coffeehouse at Mission Beach in San diego... the Heritage. Incredibly memorable times.
Amazing. Awesome. This song is a pure jewel, and it fits perfectly with racism which prevailed in US society during the 1950 's and 1960's. And what a voice Bob Dylan has. Brilliant ;
I grew up with these songs that seemed so right in their time - not that the intentions are wrong now, because they are still applicable to so many situations in life. But 50 years down that road the times have changed and not really for the better. In Dylan's case it is probably a good thing he took his songwriting in other directions away from protest music of the current events kind.
Truth formed into song. This ma, no doubt, had vision and a purity be-it youthful idealism or, I would like to think, straight on the nose narration of events as they unfolded. No matter, Dylan spoke volumes of truth and justice for all.
michiel de vrindt After all the endings: ". . . you who philosophize, disgrace, and criticize all fears, Take the rag away from your face (:stop appearing to be crying) Now ain't the time for your tears, Then, after telling about the way they treat this murderer (6 mo sentence) "bear the rag deep in your face.".. (now cry)
+Jacob Croft Adding on to what the others have said in the last verse there are like five lines all suggesting how the judicial system is impartial to things like money and power. Then Zanzinger only gets 6 months, which points out the irony. Hence the last line "For now's the time for your tears"
Hattie Carroll was the descendant of a slave owned by my great great great great great grandfather, Charles Carroll of Carrollton Maryland, a signer of the Declaration of Independence. YEP - Sometimes... history stabs you in the back! And I never inherited one damn dime from my great relative's estate... but I did have the honor of hanging out in Dylan's tiny motel room at a festival after party in 1972.
Subteranean Homesick Blues, The Lonesome Death.. Man Of Constant Sorrow, A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, Pawn In Their Game, Rainy Day Women, Maggie's Farm, Billy The Kid, Like A Rolling Stone... I totally adore the albums those songs are in! Mostly I dig the old stuff of the many, many great bands & musicians o/t the 20st century.. There's always new old albums to discover... But Hattie Carrol, yeah.. It's an outstanding classic! One of it's kind..
Please don't give up! AT age 73, I am still "the baby of the crowd" at the retirement community where I live. It's in a "blue state," but the very reddest corner of that blue state. My neighbors here were not Dylan fans but Frank Sinatra fans. For the most part, they did NOT vote for Trump. They are worried, too - and old enough to remember the newsreels of Adolph Hitler's rallies and notice the similarities of the "thank you tour." But here's the thing: all that is required for the triumph of evil is for good people to remain silent and do nothing. So, democracy is not a spectator sport. Write to your Representatives or TXT them, go door to door, go to peaceful rallies, and work for true American values like freedom of religion (and non-religion) and one citizen, one vote. I have END CITIZENS UNITED buttons plastered across the front of my rollator. Don't give up!
Carol King not a good post but I won't down vote you. one question: how come you live in the Repu lucan part of your state it they're so deplorable? also, I like Dylan and Sinatra. additionally, Dylan change d his style and got fed up w being associated w community organizing progressives, dear.
Carole - Very good, don't give up! Vecht voor je recht. Geef ze van Jetje. Most people gave up fighting a long time ago... Use your mouth, not your fist. And sometimes maybe the other way around. But I prefer the Ghandi way...
It's actually not. Dylan only got three facts wrong. He pronounced Zantzinger's name incorrectly. He said Zantzinger was charged with first degree murder, and it was second. And Hattie Carroll had eleven children, not ten.
"Died from an aneurysm." That was the excuse given by a rich lawyer to the judge from the same social class. "Died resisting arrest", "had a weak heart", etc, etc. The ruling class is very inventive when it comes to finding reasons for murder.
This song displays the errors Karl Marx saw in capitalist society. He stated workers are replaceable and therefore modern work is insecure. Hattie Carroll “carried the dishes and … emptied the ashtrays” and “just cleaned up all the food from the table.” William Zanzinger would have no trouble finding another person to fill in her job since they were easy tasks. She was dispensable to him. This also supports the idea that “modern work is alienated.” Carroll, at fifty-one years old, worked for Zanzinger out of necessity. She probably felt no satisfaction or fulfilment as she “took out the garbage” of a house filled with luxuries. Lastly, it shows the inequality Marx was against as Zanzinger received only a six month sentence for first degree murder. I thought it was significant that throughout the song Dylan says, “Now ain’t the time for your tears.” There is a shift at the end of the song in which he states “Now’s the time for your tears.” Perhaps the message the speaker was trying to convey is that you should speak out and do something against what is wrong instead of just feeling bad and letting it go by. At the end it was “time for … tears” as his punishment was finalized and there was nothing more to be done. This could also go along with Marxism as it calls for the working class and those who are oppressed to speak out and revolutionize.
I've liked this song for so long I have it memorized. I decided to look up the incident on Wikipedia. Zenzinger was a racist jerk. This was not the only incident he got in trouble over. On the other hand, Dylan's song is not a fair representation of what happened. There is a good reason he was given a 6 month sentence.
In June, after Zantzinger's phalanx of five topflight attorneys won a change of venue to a court in Hagerstown, a three-judge panel reduced the murder charge to manslaughter. Following a three-day trial, Zantzinger was found guilty. For the assault on the hotel employees: a fine of $125. For the death of Hattie Carroll: six months in jail and a fine of $500. The judges considerately deferred the start of the jail sentence until September 15, to give Zantzinger time to harvest his tobacco crop. - Time, "Deferred Sentence", September 6, 1963. What was the "good reason" prey tell?
+pfishy98 what a stupid point to make. someone looks into something and you criticise. if he'd come on talking like he was there would you say he was lying?
What song-writing, moves one to tears even 50 years later...
Beethoven and Bob.
I want to say thank you to one of my teachers back in highschool who showed us this song in class. That was the day I fell in love with Bob Dylans music. Still gives me shivers hearing the lyrics
Listened to this for my history class. Totally crying!! 😭😭😭😭
Anyone recall the time when audiences listened to performers instead of yammering like they're home on the couch? Here the silent attention is as riveting as the performance.
Well, British fans weren't always so nice to Dylan. The night he went electric he was booed and ridiculed by a British audience.
There were substantial followers on both sides of the pond who thought he needed a good booing....on numerous occasions throughout his marvelous career.
SOME in the audience. They were the hand to the ear folkies who couldn't move with the times as they were a changin'!
Peter Simmons - True.
........
I lived in Baltimore, at the time, and attended parties at The Belvedere where Hattie Carroll was killed. Driving home from Ocean City, Jimmy Spear sang this song and everyone in the car was moved to tears. It was later that I found out it was a Bob Dylan song.
Hattie Carroll was the descendant of a slave owned by my great great great great great grandfather, Charles Carroll of carrollton Maryland, a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Sometimes... history stabs you in the back!
We were young, idealistic, and angry. Dylan gave our generation voice. We are aging and retired now...but I for one have no intention of giving up on protesting.
yea we can see how that turned out . .
Born in 88 lifelong Dylan fan. I've never understood how people that were young in Dylan's prime can be so bigoted and backwards after all this time. With voices like Dylan, Kristofferson, MLK, Ghandi, and Kennedy LOUD and in the forefront of popular culture. The generation that once had the most potential for change and what do they stand for today? Well, they've just elected Donald Trump.
yea trump but we were gonna lose either way
the way I see it, we had a choice between stagnant and backwards. we chose backwards.
yknow the game show "the price is right" ? at the end the contestant chooses either prize one that he is shown or prize 2 that is hidden.
we voted for door 2. but it doesn't matter really it will be the same shit. dont wait for a savoir its not coming
this just breaks your heart
If you liked this version click on "through this open world i'm bound to ramble", the 1st song is Hattie Carrol, I think you will enjoy it
this song is so sad and powerful
young bobby Dylan yesterday still forever young today.
olivier milanini ✊
Bob wrote this song based on newspaper accounts. I lived in the Upper Marlboro, MD area for a while, which was Zantzinger's home turf. My old canoeing buddy was a high school classmate of Z, and told me the guys considered him a royal fool, but some of the girls went for him only because he was sorta' good looking, and had money. Anyway, eventually Billy Z. got out of jail, but was later busted on financial fraud for collecting rents on sharecropper farms that he no longer owned. Oh, I actually played gigs at the venue where Hattie met her fate, but not at that time.
Bill Ruxton 8has
Why did Zatzinger do it?
He did it because he was a powerful prick.
Alistair Overeem's Fast Approaching Cte like dylan says she never done nothing to w .s.s
Because he felt it was his right to abuse those he felt below him.
a song that no one else should sing besides himself
cage the Elephant did a cool cover of it
Bob dylan bootleg
I went to a live Dylan concert at Santa Monica Civic Auditorium in the sixties when he had shifted unexpectedly to folk-rock. He came on so strange, was dressed so oddly, and his was music was unrecognisable. I thought, bastard sold out, and I nearly got up to walk out after the first song, which might have been 'Motorpsycho Nightmare.' Lots of people did walk out.
I didn't get up and leave, I thought I would listen to one more song. Five minutes later I was levitating in my seat. I learned a valuable lesson that day. I live without music for months, then I get famished. I put on a Dylan album - any Dylan album, and am immediately turned into a quivering mass of ecstatic protoplasm. I then am OK for another year or so of silence.
Ken Bellchambers I feel like listening to music in general once in 48 hours let us say. But my longing for Dylan's music comes as a phenomenon purely on its own every 10 days or so. How often do I long to listen to Dylan is not important. What is important is that he has got his own special place and I feel like listening to him exclusively. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
One of my favorites...I was listening to the literature professor/scholar Christopher Ricks talk about this song once. He noted that the final word of every line in this song has a feminine ending (where the stress is not on the final syllable) except for the verse where Hattie Carroll is killed, where he uses the word "cane" and repeats "table" three times. A reference to Cain & Abel, perhaps?
Beyond that, you can definitely see the progression in his writing when you compare the lyrics of this to earlier compositions such as "The Death of Emmett Till".
Lovin' his songs 4ever
Thanks for uploading!
I loved it when Guy Carawan came and sang one weekend many many moons ago, in the 60s, at my tiny little Coffeehouse at Mission Beach in San diego... the Heritage. Incredibly memorable times.
Amazing. Awesome. This song is a pure jewel, and it fits perfectly with racism which prevailed in US society during the 1950 's and 1960's. And what a voice Bob Dylan has. Brilliant ;
I love the description about this song in Rolling Thunder Review documentary.
Thank you. Using this in my English III class with Langston Hughes and MLK
This is my favourite version for sure
Beautiful
He makes you believe you know Hattie Carrol a little bit......
The greatest at his best.
I love it
One of the best versions
I love this
but there are tears in my face...
what a song writer pure genius.
c to am to em
Emptied the ashtrays on a whole lot of levels
This is a true story... is taking from the newspapers.
Reminds me of the 60's. Aint that something
For you who philosophize: The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol - Bob Dylan (5/7/65) Bootleg
5/7/65 - Free Trade Hall, Manchester, England
I grew up with these songs that seemed so right in their time - not that the intentions are wrong now, because they are still applicable to so many situations in life. But 50 years down that road the times have changed and not really for the better. In Dylan's case it is probably a good thing he took his songwriting in other directions away from protest music of the current events kind.
mighty nice boot bro
what a great song I also like Christy moore version
songs about the true reason to shed tears is the injustice in a corrupt system
❤️
"A true story"......"taken out of the newspaper." What an innocent time! :-D
top fucking class !
KEEP ON PROTESTING
Death is the great wound in the universe and the great wound in each life.
Truth formed into song. This ma, no doubt, had vision and a purity be-it youthful idealism or, I would like to think, straight on the nose narration of events as they unfolded. No matter, Dylan spoke volumes of truth and justice for all.
The last ventilator breath of America..stay vigilant
One of his saddest, and that's saying something
Hattie Carrol is my great great grandmother.
Damn, just damn.
The applause though.
ErgoEx
wow
love byb dolan
And in the end, Bob, you coulda been Woody. Because it's the message that carries and the criers who change
Nice harmonica bro
he can do anything with words !
Like telling the truth.....
When I first heard the last line of this song, I cried.
Can you explain the last line? I don't understand it
michiel de vrindt After all the endings: ". . . you who philosophize, disgrace, and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face (:stop appearing to be crying) Now ain't the time for your tears,
Then, after telling about the way they treat this murderer (6 mo sentence) "bear the rag deep in your face.".. (now cry)
+Mike Regan. You explained well except the end line where the word is "bury " not ' bear' the rag most deep in your face..'
+Jacob Croft Adding on to what the others have said in the last verse there are like five lines all suggesting how the judicial system is impartial to things like money and power. Then Zanzinger only gets 6 months, which points out the irony. Hence the last line "For now's the time for your tears"
何で、涙が出るんだろう？？？
Still think Christy Moore version of this song is the G.O.A.T....
The lyrics that appear on screen are just bizarre. They're a comedy act, hysterical. William Zantzinger, William the singer?
All too relevant today 💔
Hattie Carroll was the descendant of a slave owned by my great great great great great grandfather, Charles Carroll of Carrollton Maryland, a signer of the Declaration of Independence. YEP - Sometimes... history stabs you in the back! And I never inherited one damn dime from my great relative's estate... but I did have the honor of hanging out in Dylan's tiny motel room at a festival after party in 1972.
I want to make paintings like Dylan's music.
You're only one human I wish I could look in the eyes
Dylan's greatest song?
very nearly
llynfach Any Dylan song is an outstanding one. But The Lonesome Death doesn't come close to his top ten, in my opinion.
Hurricane
Probably is.. yet no one remembers it amongst his others.
Subteranean Homesick Blues, The Lonesome Death.. Man Of Constant Sorrow, A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, Pawn In Their Game, Rainy Day Women, Maggie's Farm, Billy The Kid, Like A Rolling Stone... I totally adore the albums those songs are in! Mostly I dig the old stuff of the many, many great bands & musicians o/t the 20st century.. There's always new old albums to discover... But Hattie Carrol, yeah.. It's an outstanding classic! One of it's kind..
this sounds familiar. didn't I just hear something like this in the news?
It never seems to lose it's relevance does it.
no it don't
thirdpowerful1 Brock turner with a six month sentence
Was if the Affluenza boy? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch
Free Trade Hall is a hotel now, or a series of restaurants or something.
yes true story,,,old story... still going on today in usa and uk... shame on u all....
Ms Ryan's English class
first Bob Dylan didn't go electric in Britain he did on July 25th 1965 at newport folk festival
one of his best youth needs to here real music instead of the crap they listen to
What language does the person who added the subtitles speak? The subtitles are better than the song
You sure this is from ‘65? Sounds much more like ‘64.
It’s a good version. Thanks.
My mom worked for Zanzinger or however you spell his name... and he was just an angry man so sad
are we talking here about stories or about love?!
has the same tendencies as hey mister tambourine man-any musicians notice that
Bob dylan was singing to you back then and now. I guess you were just following fashion or whatever. Bob dylan hasn't changed. You have.
Actually he has changed. Doing Sinatra covers now.
what album is this?
The times are changing
Awryt Bawbag
Zantzinger went to his grave denying any wrong doing, right?
he called Bob Dylan "scum of the scum of the Earth"....he evidently considered himself blameless (for some youthful indiscretion)
Please don't give up! AT age 73, I am still "the baby of the crowd" at the retirement community where I live. It's in a "blue state," but the very reddest corner of that blue state. My neighbors here were not Dylan fans but Frank Sinatra fans. For the most part, they did NOT vote for Trump. They are worried, too - and old enough to remember the newsreels of Adolph Hitler's rallies and notice the similarities of the "thank you tour." But here's the thing: all that is required for the triumph of evil is for good people to remain silent and do nothing. So, democracy is not a spectator sport. Write to your Representatives or TXT them, go door to door, go to peaceful rallies, and work for true American values like freedom of religion (and non-religion) and one citizen, one vote. I have END CITIZENS UNITED buttons plastered across the front of my rollator. Don't give up!
Carol King not a good post but I won't down vote you. one question: how come you live in the Repu lucan part of your state it they're so deplorable? also, I like Dylan and Sinatra. additionally, Dylan change d his style and got fed up w being associated w community organizing progressives, dear.
To compare Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler is scandalous. Spread your ill-informed political opinions elsewhere.
*Adolf
Carole - Very good, don't give up! Vecht voor je recht. Geef ze van Jetje. Most people gave up fighting a long time ago... Use your mouth, not your fist. And sometimes maybe the other way around. But I prefer the Ghandi way...
Carol King hallelujah!
This is actually a libelous account of a true story.
go to hell
It's actually not. Dylan only got three facts wrong. He pronounced Zantzinger's name incorrectly. He said Zantzinger was charged with first degree murder, and it was second. And Hattie Carroll had eleven children, not ten.
+Brad Wylie That's all you got? Try looking up the facts of the case and then you'll know the truth.
you missed the point. hint: think history, race, abuse, injustice and art
"Died from an aneurysm." That was the excuse given by a rich lawyer to the judge from the same social class. "Died resisting arrest", "had a weak heart", etc, etc. The ruling class is very inventive when it comes to finding reasons for murder.
This song displays the errors Karl Marx saw in capitalist society. He stated workers are replaceable and therefore modern work is insecure. Hattie Carroll “carried the dishes and … emptied the ashtrays” and “just cleaned up all the food from the table.” William Zanzinger would have no trouble finding another person to fill in her job since they were easy tasks. She was dispensable to him. This also supports the idea that “modern work is alienated.” Carroll, at fifty-one years old, worked for Zanzinger out of necessity. She probably felt no satisfaction or fulfilment as she “took out the garbage” of a house filled with luxuries. Lastly, it shows the inequality Marx was against as Zanzinger received only a six month sentence for first degree murder.
I thought it was significant that throughout the song Dylan says, “Now ain’t the time for your tears.” There is a shift at the end of the song in which he states “Now’s the time for your tears.” Perhaps the message the speaker was trying to convey is that you should speak out and do something against what is wrong instead of just feeling bad and letting it go by. At the end it was “time for … tears” as his punishment was finalized and there was nothing more to be done. This could also go along with Marxism as it calls for the working class and those who are oppressed to speak out and revolutionize.
seems like this song is topical even today #blacklivesmatter
black lives matter is a disgrace to black people.
Fuck you to comment that shit on a video like this
Andres Bullon-Puckett give us a break
From what? How is it not relevant to this moment in time. It's even more powerful now.
Andres Bullon-Puckett Agree completely.
R.I.P George Floyd
Another league
I've liked this song for so long I have it memorized. I decided to look up the incident on Wikipedia. Zenzinger was a racist jerk. This was not the only incident he got in trouble over. On the other hand, Dylan's song is not a fair representation of what happened. There is a good reason he was given a 6 month sentence.
In June, after Zantzinger's phalanx of five topflight attorneys won a change of venue to a court in Hagerstown, a three-judge panel reduced the murder charge to manslaughter. Following a three-day trial, Zantzinger was found guilty. For the assault on the hotel employees: a fine of $125. For the death of Hattie Carroll: six months in jail and a fine of $500. The judges considerately deferred the start of the jail sentence until September 15, to give Zantzinger time to harvest his tobacco crop.
- Time, "Deferred Sentence", September 6, 1963.
What was the "good reason" prey tell?
No there isn't, he just got a walk when he deserved murder 2...
lol wikipedia... great source
+pfishy98 what a stupid point to make. someone looks into something and you criticise. if he'd come on talking like he was there would you say he was lying?
Dylan is a genius, no doubt
and that the ladder of law has no top and no bottom.
WRONG. FALSE
too fast
Pas ouf
Duskwerth ta rézon