Disney's self loathing problem is coming to a head
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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For years now, Disney has been using their live action remakes of classic movies to fix what they perceive to be issues. These include the characterizations of some of the most beloved Disney characters. However, they've been getting more and more backlash recently and it seems like the company is finally starting to take note and hopefully they can learn to see the merit in their own work someday.
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The real media literacy crisis started when we started listening to people on buzzfeed talking about how evil and horrible the Disney princesses were. The decay of media literacy isn’t just starting. It was here the entire time.
Well, not just left-wing, but also right-wing viewers or ‘fans’ who aren’t understood media literacy.
Yeah. Media literacy is so weak today.
Not even restricted to Disney. Look at how Betty Boop went from an empowering iconoclast to now a 'harmful' character...because these people have no idea what flapper girls were, what they stood for, and how what they shun Betty for now were acts of defiance toward repressive social norms of her time, ie they take for granted a lot of the personal freedoms they have now. But I'd more or less concur the overall sharp decline in media literally at least coincides (since I think insisting it's a cause-effect relationship is not quite something we can substantiate) with the rise of social media and similar platforms elevating morons with absurd opinions and takes and allowing them to declare themselves as THE authority on such things.
SKIP WOKE DISNEY'S SNOW WHITE LIVE-ACTION REMAKE HOT 🔥 GARBAGE DISASTER.
@@Chadjr2009 Media literacy is just an invented term to boost yourself onto a superior high ground by labelling others as possessing it or not...the more it gets normalized, the more people will be using the label to prove their point far more than they will rely on their own competency and judgement.
It communicates pretension long before it conveys credibility, but if a large enough crowd believes otherwise, all that we'll get as creatives is more and more waves of snobs who think they have credibility.
When people comes with those talk I always ask "You actually watch the film?"
This is bs: "Cinderela kept siting waiting to be rescued by the prince."
No she's does not, she only wanted to go to a party, the mice are the ones who rescued her and the prince wasn't even present.
she never planed to meet no man, neither expected for no one to rescue her.
If anything getting the Prince's attention was to her a bonus to go the ball.
@@georgeray1906 And she wasn't even trying to or knew that she did. All she did was come to the ball and was entranced by its beauty and ended up accepting the offer of a handsome young man who she comes to fall in love with.
Yeah, the prince was just a nice bonus for Cinderella.
You'd think Disney would know that but they even had a song about it in the Cheetah girls
@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 Yeah it's like she hit the karmic jackpot.
I recall a Japanese comment from 10 years ago responding to an American article that criticized the kiss in sleeping beauty/snow white. They suggested that if a fairytale true love's kiss, that magically revives the princess, is deemed non-consensual, then Santa Claus should be considered a serial home intruder.
That's gold and good job to that japanese comment.
I just cannot see a princess saying “how dare you rescue me from a coma with a kiss! I never gave you permission”! 😂😂😂
@@blockmasterscott if anything, it's like cpr
Telling kids that kissing someone knocked out with pouson is okay is EVIL.
Look at all the men that use knockout drug to grape women.
Perfect
People are misrepresenting these princesses. They are not just being nice, pretty, etc. They are smart, strong, brave. They’re just not doing it in a way the detractors like.
EXCELLENT WORK. MJTANNER HOT 🔥 GARBAGE DISNEY'S LIVE-ACTION REMAKES
Tabloid journalism is mostly to blame with this. Buzzfeed slop articles & their awful parody skits that flat out lie about the plot/events of said princess's stories are a contributing factor to this misunderstanding. If they weren't so bold about blatently telling fibs, this whole scene would've never had the grounds to take off.
@@electricfeverx976 the thing is, who exactly fall for their skits and articles? Like who treats and think buzzfeed as legit news/knowledge sources?? 😭😂
Coz back then, when i was a tween, i remembered reading their articles coz sometimes they're appeared in my google search, but that's it, i read it for fun, not necessarily believe it 😅
These idiots always conveniently forget about the best "disney princess" : Mulan.
Yep. Anything not attributed with males for them is not strength or worthy of recognition. They want women to be whatever male action hero archetype they have in their head that doesn’t account for plot, genre, time period, or the softer aspects they clearly missed.
What really bugs me is the sht in the movies they "fix" not even being present. It's like the Eric example. Ariel was the one pursuing him. Rachel said similar things about Snow White's prince. Courtship and genuine worry for a person you like that liked you back is creepy. She definitely mixed him up with Sleeping Beauty's prince. Phillip fought Maleficent, the Dwarves killed Evil Queen.
They mesh all the parts of the movies they hate and then go off on rants about it.
"Being nice and being pretty are the most important things in being a girl. Not being smart, not being assertive, not being strong."
Well let see here being nice is a bit of a universal message. Being nice in particular saved Snow White and Cinderella. I don't care for the new Snow White because she was being assertive with the Dwarves. Breaking into another person's home and forcing them to clean the place up because your going to be living their. Sounds almost toxic.
We loved Mulan who was smart and strong, but because she was doing everything to save her father made us root for her.
The funny thing is that none of the princesses really care about their looks, or at least don't care about impressing others with their looks.
You are right but there are sayings that a lot of people use, "Nice/Happy people don't solve problems" and "Don't be good/nice to bad people." Unfortunately niceness has been twisted into a negative by/for ambitious people.
@@vetarlittorf1807 The funny thing is the villains cared more about their looks. The evil queen went after Snow white because the Mirror declared her fairest in the land. The evil stepmother probably went after Cinderella because she was naturally beautiful and would attract a suitor, a lot easier than her own daughters.
Being nice (caring about others even they don’t care about you) is an important part of being HUMAN. No matter your gender.
It’s an absolute shame that people think that the Disney princesses being pretty is a flaw. The princesses aren’t necessarily JUST “pretty and nice.”
They’re lovely.
In the very definition of the word meaning “of a great moral or spiritual beauty.”
They are lovely because they are kind. Because they are willful. Because they are loving. Disney princesses are ALL open minded and curious (well, save for Tiana, but that was her greatest character flaw.) They all want to know about the people around them. They are empathetic and wise. THAT is why they are destined to lead. Not because they are “pretty and nice.”
Belle was an intellectual and a wonderful teacher. Ariel was an adventurer and anthropologist. Snow White was an adaptive survivalist. Tiana was a dedicated and ambitious worker and family woman. Rapunzel was a brave, creative, and free spirited soul. Cinderella was a patient and forgiven woman able to make the most of very little.
All of these are admirable traits, and all of these traits are lovely. They are all traits you would hope to see in your own world leaders, would you not?
None of those are character flaws in any society except for thoae who promote selfish individualism.
I’ve seen most of them now, and most of the princesses they’re straying to “fix” couldn’t be more harmless and positive role models then they already were, especially in the renaissance era.
I watched Snow White for the first time and it’s like the safest children’s film you could ever make, from that to now, how can we be so cooked?
Chalk it up to people who haven't watched these films making false claims that their marketing team wrote for them. It's possible a good chunk of these new writers just read the cliffnote versions of these movies or haven't seen them since they were 2 cause they miss the mark constantly.
If anything all the modern "role models" for girls are more toxic. Ones like Captain Marvel, D+ She-Hulk, and such teach little girls to hide their emotions, be emotionless, (it's bad enough we teach little boys to be like that...) act more masculine, that they can't like girly things, that liking boys is bad, and they should look at all males with suspicion, or try to constantly prove they're better then males, (which is not "equality," and treating men the same way women used to be treated, is just creating future misogonists) that being "rude" is "assertive," and such.
(Snow White was assertive to the dwarves, and was polite about it. You can be nice and still be assertive, something we need to teach girls.)
They also teach little girls that things like beauty or beautiful clean women in media (cartoons/comics/games/movies) in should be frowned on, and seen as "patriarchal," "perverse/sexualized," "unrealistic," and "impossible to strive for," (which is ridiculous as many good looking women exist) which is honestly just a new form of body shaming, and an unintentionally misogynistic attitude. (Especially, because they don't demonize good looking men in those same media, nor "censor" them in remakes...)
I feel honestly bad for little girls, and women having no real positive role models, and being bombarded with negative morals and ideals...
It's crazy that anyone listened to Peter Dinklage. People and fellow actors with Dwarfism called that out day one, that he's just pulling up the latter behind him. "Got mine, now I can virtue signal, ruining other actors' opportunities." And that was ages ago.
I think that he fali to realise that some people want roles Like this. It's the same as if someone would try to cancle Inside out 2 because animation is an art and making movies for kids is degrading. Or ex comediant who would try to cancle comedy" since actors are "forced" to make fool of themselves. Just accept that people can decide for themselves and if someone don't want to work in a high budget movie as one of the main cast they are free to do so.
Pulling up the very tiny ladder behind him.
I’ve always wanted to listen in on a conversation between Peter Dinklage and Warwick Davis. Because every role Dinklage doesn’t want to do, Davis has already done and seems to really enjoy playing.
Not a big fan of Dinklage anymore.
He probably just doesn't want to deal with competition.
Time Bandits is a great movie with a group of six dwarves in it. One of the actors was just a guy who ran a newsstand outside the studio and they would call him whenever they needed a dwarf.
Beauty and the Beast live action is a great example of self loathing
To be fair, that is not possible to avoid when you cast Emma Watson in the movie..
All the remakes are self-loathing.
@@papahudz69 That movie utterly butchered Belle's character. She was Belle in name only. To add insult to injury, she's my favorite princess too.
@@AnimaVox_dude they even added a device that allows for instant teleportation and only use it for "boo hoo my parent died" and not for porting Belle back to the town faster, getting her dad, or even combo-ing it with the mirror to see that Belle was locked up and saving her. Its a chekov's gun that never got fired and it annoya me to high heaven.
@@casperryborg4869 PREACH
Being kind is one of the most important traits anyone can have, whether they are boys or girls.
I think I missed the plot on how Disney is being too hard on themselves. If they were harder on themselves maybe they would start making products again that more people want to see.
I have never once EVER met a girl or full grown woman that thought that Snowwhite or Cinderella was problematic.
Disney is full of nutcases.
@@blockmasterscott just because you haven’t met them yet doesn’t mean they exist
It's really sad that people underestimate and devalue the strengths and virtues of traditional feminity, like endurance and being humble, in favor of more hypermasculine ones, like assertiveness and stoicism. To me, the reason that Snow and Cinderella are kind is because they are able to endure and humble themselves despite their unfair situations.
Take Snow White for example, she is a princess but is willing to work as a servant for a bunch of miners because it's the right thing to do and she doesn't believe that they owe her anything despite her royal blood. This humbleness endears her to dwarves and they soon become friends and their heartbroken over losing her.
Even her name reflects her personality; purity and innocence.
Exactly, they don't feel entitled.
They're not bitter.
I tend to think that Snow White was playing house more than she was being humbled or enduring. If you notice, she takes on more of a mother role to the dwarfs than a servant.
Unlike Cinderella or Aurora, there is little to suggest she's a mature woman. And she's supposed to only be 14 years old. To that end, her ideas of romance are pretty basic, she runs around in fear of imagined terrors to the point of collapsing in a panic even when she's in a relatively safe meadow, and her downfall is literally talking to strangers.
So basically, they’re not paying attention to the movies. They’re just assuming that the princess is being “rescued “ by a guy and getting angry about it.
I am the only one who gets worried when these people try to say that love and romance is toxic? Like who hurt you people?
Believe in yourself is the message of so many Disney movies. But I guess they haven't been listening to their own message.
What confuses me is they're saying Snow White will save herself in the remake. Like how??? She ate an apple and died. How is she supposed to save herself from that?! Self CPR isn't a thing!
she probably won't eat the apple
The main cast or ex cast, hated the movie and rejects the film in the first place, Disney just blatantly picked a wrong person since the first casting.
Honestly, disney princesses criticism just comes off as victim blaming most of the time
For goodness sake, Snow White was just a kid! The Evil Queen wanted to kill her for no good reason! Lady Tremaine was supposed to take care of Cinderella, but she abused her and it's like..where else could she go?! she's just a kid with no parents, no money, and all she wanted was just one good day at the Ball. So many of these princesses are just children who are trying to cope in terrible living conditions and have more courage and strength of heart than these critics have in their whole bodies!
@@GabePlaysYT Exactly! I hate it when people victim blame Snow White and Cinderella.
These same people are always the ones who idolise the villains, and demand remakes showing them as the true victims (not hero’s. Victims)
Walt Disney would roll back into his grave if he saw what Zegler said about the project he put blood, sweat and tears into that made his company what it is and that same company that would pay this entitled girl’s paycheck
nope, even tho they backtrack on one movie, their still filled with parasites elsewhere and all over, so chances of change are slim
Until Disney cancels snow not white and the seven CGI abominations I’m not gonna believe that they’re changing one little bit.
I don't mind self deprecation and pointing out flaws but I think Disney's gone overboard with that as of late to the point that they don't seem to respect their own history for what it is, at least that's how it comes across. They also seem to fundamentally misunderstand what made their classic stories work to begin with, removing any tension or stakes in their newer projects in order to make sure the audience feels safe, comfortable and not likely to raise a fuss over "scaring the kids" or "offending/stereotyping people." That might be why King Magnifico was such a weak sauce villain in Wish or Dr. Facilier was not included in the new Princess and The Frog log ride, because Disney seems to confuse thrills for trauma.
The problem you see is that these women love and respect the men in their lives. That's a colossal no no to any feminist ideology.
disney's princess movies -- both animated (wish) and live action (snow white) are failing and they only have themselves to blame.
not even little mermaid earned a profit box office-wise due to its large budget
Honestly I feel bad for zeglar . Pretty sure disney gave her some talking points and didnt think it would gain so much backlash (tbf her delivery tone didnt help either). Now new interviews were they are trying to turn things around sounds so fake.
The funniest part for me was the claim that the classic princesses weren't assertive. Just once they should make a tiny effort to understand the subject material.
I stand by my opinion that the only good live action remake was Cinderella. Everything else is dogwater
Overworked Peon: My Lord, the masses are outraged by our wokeness! They say we no longer Disney and do not respect the great works of art that made us what we are!
Panicked Suit: Open the vault--RELEASE SONG OF THE SOUTH!!!
Between Peter Dinklage and those feminist critics, it seems Disney has a bad habit of listening to people who have clearly never seen their movies.
my theory is what we have in Hollywood and some other media right now is the meeting two strange phenomena.
first, we have a kind of people who came from the same environment that gave us techbros. but instead of "technology will save us" they tended to "social justice will save us". and they are like techbros in every way: they have just a very superficial understanding of the thing they based their whole identity on. keep themselves in a echo chamber, think that they better than everyone and are narcissistic enough to convince some people
then you have creatively bankrupt media conglomerates which dying because they lost two generations of artists to the internet, trying to come up with something thru focus groups "seems like kids like diversity and empowerment nowadays"
and it is a match made in hell, that ends with lost of millions and people on twitter blaming their failures because everyone else in the planet is "something bad"
Love, sincerity, grace will always be timeless. Adversity will always face us in this world and you can't always brute force. Sometimes you to stand there and take it. You see this in the old Disney princesses stories.
I feel so bad for all the dwarf actors who didn't get work beacuse now their cg in snow white. I much prefer real actors
No offense meant to mjtanner whatsoever, but as a book fan, it's weird for me to hear Disney fans lamenting that remakes are "replacing" the originals. For decades, fans of literary fairy tales and literature in general have been lamenting that everybody just knows about the Disney animated movies and Disney fans have arguing that those original stories aren't going anywhere and that we can still enjoy them if we want, and Disney has the right to make new adaptations. How does that logic not apply to the remakes?
Remakes aren't the problem. I've watched numerous different takes on classic fairytales and ended up loving them because they either brought a new perspective or expanded on the story. But most important, they were made with love and wish to explore storytelling opportunities. But Disney's remakes are not only creatively bankrupt, they are also promoted through making jabs at the classic movies, characters, and people who love them, which doesn't exactly motivate to watch the remakes. Also, most of the times they distort the truth by enforcing the "classic Disney princesses were weak and helpless pretty dolls" take which was made by people who either never watched the classic movies or don't remember them. So, while original movies aren't going nowhere, it's the Disney's willingness to betray its own creations and badmouth them in order to promote the remakes that copy original movies, but with some predictable and bland twists that turns people away. The remakes could have been good if they were made with love and interest in the setting -- but that's not what we see.
Plus, it's modern Disney, the "we're not responsible for your wife's death because you signed Terms and Agreements on Disney+" -- a greedy corporation with no humanity or soul left. They can make all kind of absurd decisions: up to removing their animated movies from access and promoting remakes. This sounds like madness and abysmal marketing, but Disney hasn't been known for adequate behavior lately and I won't put such stunts behind them.
@@pokerface4396 I enjoy the 2019 Aladdin movie more than the 1992 one. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better movie. (I'd give them both B+, objectively speaking.) But I personally enjoyed the writing style for the 2019 one more.
And just as you are tired of sweeping generalizations about Disney Princesses being bad role models, maybe I am tired of sweeping generalizations about nobody enjoying recent movies.
@@pokerface4396 BTW, are you sure it's the suits at Disney who are criticizing old Disney movies so much? It sounds like it's more directors and actors who have to say something to market their remakes after all. I doubt they have the power to pull all copies of Snow White or The Little Mermaid out of circulation.
Those being interviewed seemed to be the ones who were not asked to the prom
Well, this means it is not a bad idea! huh?🤨
It's kind of you to read out the list of members every time.
No Empires last forever. But the fashion in which some end is mind boggling.
Unpopular Opinion: Disney, Walt Disney, is turning in his grave from his company producing things such as Deadpool & Wolverine. Maybe you like it, and that's fine, but it is not anything that the true Disney company would have ever produced. True Disney actually turned down my favorite film, Back To The Future, because Marty's mom having a crush on him sounded a little weird to them. True Disney is absolutely dead today. You might see some occasional creative sparks flash from individuals within the company, but the company as a whole is now rudderless--a lost cause.
This self-loathing issue has made me uneasy from the moment it started. I'm sad, horrified even, but not shocked that it has gotten THIS bad.
It's kind of weird to me (sorry to sound like Zegler) for people to be complaining about Disney criticizing their past movies. Doesn't anyone remember when they treated them with super reverence and called every last one a masterpiece even if it was something no one had ever heard of before? I may not agree with every criticism of old Disney movies but is that old self-congratulatory attitude what anyone wants from a company?
Anyway, I wish the angrier (I wouldn't call mjtanner an angry fan BTW; she seems very chill) would be a little more respect to people who don't like old Disney Princess movies. No one has to agree with those detractors' arguments, but detractors don't have to agree with fans' defenses either. People have the right to dislike whatever movies they dislike and to mention it in interviews.
Maybe if we want someone Rachel Zegler to see the value in Snow White's sweetness, we should demonstrate sweetness and tolerance ourselves. Be like Snow White, not like Grumpy.
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75 views in 4 mins fell off harder than disney lol
(Chill chill its a joke i like this channel ❤)
With as many reshoots SnowWhite had, even if by divine intervention, it breaks a billion dollars, it STILL wouldn’t make its money back
Imagine if it was just a 3d remake, in the frozen veins, would be so epic.
I heard that they couldnt animate the prince well so they just cut him out. (There was supose to be a scene where he grew up with snow and became worried when she vanished.) So i stead, they just wrote it in the opening credits. It wasgetting ling amd expensive aftrr all, this being a first time more realistic rendition than just loony toons.
you perfectly put into words what I’ve been feeling for some time about disney incessantly pushing this strong independent female role.
They need to stop running away from potential “backlash”, stop trying SO HARD to make every movie so diverse (like diversity is great, but it seems to be pushed in an uncomfortable way in their recent films. Like it’s the main focus of the film), and realize THE ACTUAL roles of the princesses from their original films. People saying that these princesses push a negative message to young girls must not have fully watched the movies because wth
As someone who grew up watching those films, I in no way believe that being pretty and nice is my main role as a woman. And in terms of being kind and caring, those are ALSO strong qualities to have as a woman anyway, as well as being independent and goal-driven.
It looks like that Disney is trying to turn things back to their former appearence. However, for the SnowWhite Movie it might be to late to get a huge reward for. With some correction on the CGI, it might be perform ok. But as this Movie has become too expensive at this time, they only can hope for a better future with other projects.
Imagine if a male actor got the role of Batman and said he would play him to be more sensitive and to let him cry a few times, because it's no longer 1939. 🙄
it's really annoying when youtubers give shitty people PR advice "like oh she should've lied" and not "wow what a terrible person, you can tell how unprofessional she is just from her puff piece interviews"
I find a 14 year old girl as a live in housekeeper for 7 adult men extremely problematic.
Luckily I was never read such dtories, wasn't brainwashed.
Fairytales can be a nice part of culture but not the disgusting ones that notmalize morally wrong things.
So let the traditional people watch their old movies and the more developed people just move on.
2:30 5:00 Gadot, not Gado
I think the only way to get the message to Disney about these live action movie remakes is if we make them flop. If we go outta our way to not go watch them. Like. Theatre tickets are expensive go spend that money on something you'll actually enjoy! Deadpool and wolverine is still in cinemas at the moment! Many theatres will do old movie reruns of classics, last year my local one did the full lord of the rings trilogy with tickets for eaxh movie at a third of the usual price! Or there was the ciraline 15th anniversary rerelease last month. And those aren't exactly one off events! But yeah. I'm fed up of these live action remakes and haven't watched a single one since aladdin. There was fantastic movies that came out in the last two years that weren't Disney, like puss in boots the last wish, the boy and the heron, etcetera. We don't need to bow down to the mousey overlords and eat up every little thing they give us. Watch what they pit out that you are actually interested in and don't watch what you're not interested in. Don't hate watch unless your gonna pirate it (Disney can afford having their movies pirated). Use your money to show them what we actually want!
This is a natural consequence of hiring people who fundamentally don't understand the world's most basic storytelling format: the fairytale.
Its not just a matter of not understanding, they didn't even watched.
It's not really about understanding a fairy tale is more likely she just what is her being arrogant
@@animezilla4486 it’s because a lot of people don’t think fairytales are “real art.” And it’s a super pretentious attitude to have imo.
Media literacy in general is kind of a dead concept, that's kinda why we keep seeing people with the most absurd takes like 'benevolence is bad because it means you're not tough', complaining about villains doing evil things, or how they think xyz character lacks qualities when their story arc literally revolves around them. There's a sharp rise in people barely even being able to understand surface level information in our entertainment media, forget looking deeper into the themes...then compound that with the tendency to regurgitate false or absurd information without a single thought just because they heard it first.
@@gtf234 Literacy is dying, period. Many people barely read at all, much less anything of quality. I've seen adults with no learning handicaps and whose only language is English write no better than elementary-schoolers. It's appalling. I was always an advanced reader and am fluent in two languages, so I can't really fathom being this inept with the language arts.
I am a woman, but i am very tired of disney pushing these strong independent women trope. They dont understand anymore that gentleness and kindness are powers, too. I especially hate when they change Belle’s character as if shes a pushover in the original movie. She faced two brutes and even changed one of them. She is strong, smart, gentle and nice... what do they need to change about her? They only changed her bubbly and likeable personality to bland emma watson.
@@anneofcleveswithinternet I agree with you there's nothing wrong with a character being sweet and kind but I then take the live action version of belle was that bad
The real/original Belle even was ready to fight off a whole pack of savage wolves _with a stick_ to try and save herself and her horse before the Beast saved them.
she's also incredibly brave, highly intelligent, very effeminate and beautiful, devoted and supportive to her eccentric father, an excellent judge of character, with a great moral sense of what's right and wrong. She rescues the beast's shattered soul, and therefore rescues the entire household. she turns dark into light, anger into happiness, hate into love. it is the feminine superpower, which all men love, and all men are in need of, especially in 2024
completely agree, and its lovely to hear another woman cite "gentleness", as a virtue.
My wife thinks the same way, and the fact that she is gentle, IE kind to others, inclined to be a peacemaker, supportive and able to express her own opinions without everything turning into a contest, is one of the things I absolutely love about her.
the world would definitely be a better place if more women; and in a slightly different sense men, valued gentleness as a virtue.
@@darktenor4967 Well said.
My question is why do people have a problem with characters being kind and seeking love? There's nothing wrong with wanting a romantic relationship and can still have a good, badass and smart character. I think people forget people can be a lot of things. I can understand changing aspects to make it your version of that character your playing, but changing core aspects like how Snow white is a sweet person who craves romance is just wrong. Shes someone who believes if your kind it will be brought back to you. There's nothing wrong with characters like this
Also, people get riled up about the "true love's kiss" as if it's a personal attack. Their reasoning is that two characters who barely interacted can't truly love each other, but in many cases, true love's kiss can also be a pure and innocent kiss. A gesture of affection and gentleness that comes straight from the heart, with no ulterior motive or lust attached. For instance, prince Florian didn't kiss Snow White to claim her or something, it was a farewell kiss. He mourned the girl he met, who clearly returned his courting -- he mourned not getting to know her better.
Prince Phillip was explicitly told that he needs to save Aurora -- and by that time he was aware of Maleficent's plot and how she wanted to screw both of them over. Even if he simply liked Aurora as a pretty girl he met in the forest and danced with, he wished her well and wanted her to be free from the curse.
I think these people accusing the Disney princes of having ulterior motives/sinister motives are projecting. They don’t do things for pure, selfless motives themselves and so they can’t fathom that other people can and do.
I imagine it started off with people pointing out genuine criticism of certain things in older movies, but then those criticisms snowballed out of control and got turned into straw men parodies of their original selves.
I watched enchanted a few days ago, it still holds up. It made fun of Disney, but also embraced its past.
It came from a place of love. If it was made now, it would not work because it would have came from spite.
I thought enchanted did get a sequel?
Though I do miss the era of the parody movies.
@chrimsonphantom yeah it did. It was OK, but felt more corporate, at least to me. It wasn't awful, but nowhere near as good as the original.
An underrated GEM.
Exactly, there’s nothing wrong with a company poking fun at itself on its own, but what Disney is doing now is the equivalent of someone being self-deprecating in order to seem relatable and taking it way too far.
@@laurendynes6289 If that movie was made by Disney today, it would have been a feature long self-depreciating meta-commentary like the Princess scene from Ralph Breaks the Internet.
Walt Disney would've preferred his company going bankrupt than see it reduced to what it is now.
People might want to know that Walt hated the idea of remakes. He viewed each film as an experiment. And if an experiment is successful, then why do it again? Should we remake the statue of David simply because we have better tools?
A remake is only justified if the original failed to stand the test of time. And very few Disney animated features failed in that regard.
I disagree people act like they understand what Walt Disney would have wanted but I don't think that's really the case well I heard that he wasn't crazy about sequels but to be fair there was originally going to be a sequel to the original Snow White it was even storyboard but it was canceled.You say that remakes it's only justify when the original failed to stand at the test of time that's not always true sometimes a remake is created for a love letter to the original not to mention there is a generation of kids that didn't grow up with this stuff show reintroducing IP from the past in the form of a remake could help create a new generation of fans
Imagine Walt Disney waking up to find out what they did for remake of the movie that started it all.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I disagree you said a remake is only justified because the original doesn't stand the test of time but that's not always the case
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A horror film about Walt coming back from the dead to get revenge on these lunatics is something I would watch on loop.
I just find the L/A films completely unnecessary, and the whole "modernising" angle is just a marketing gimmick. It's funny, because yes, there are dated traits in the old films for women, but to completely redesign the characters, while not changing anything else is insulting to women. Take the L/A Mulan. In the original, she was smart, determined, and wanted to protect her father, but then learns to value her comrades, her country, and does the right thing even when everyone turns against her, which in turn changes others around her. In the L/A she has magic. That's it. She has chi, so obviously she was amazing and special. It wasn't her as a character, as an outsider, as determined. No, magic! They took this strong woman and robbed her of all her achievements by trying to say she was the chosen one. The same thing happened to Jasmin in Aladdin. She was wry, smart, independent, and kind in the original, and valued honesty. In the remake she just says "I want to be a girl boss". I nearly laughed uncontrollably when she had a whole dream-sequence song about not being pushed around... WHILE she's literally pushed around by armed guards. It's insulting to women to act like they can't understand good and bad traits can be separated or that you don't need a magical justification to take action.
Like Mary-Sue-ified versions of the original.
I remember reading about how they removed the “A Girl Worth Fighting For” number for the remake, claiming it was unrealistic to have soldiers singing (even though fighting songs, marching songs, etc. have been a thing for centuries), but then had magical chi and a shapeshifting witch. (I’m pretty sure most people who believe in chi don’t believe it grants magical feats or that only special people can achieve it, instead viewing it as something that gives a moderate boost and which anyone can gain through training & meditation)
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra To be fair, Chinese legends regarding chi do say that, through training, you can gain supernatural powers that are more than just a moderate boost. HOWEVER, there are several things that the remake gets wrong:
1. EVERYONE has chi. If Mulan's Dad's "Chi is for warriors, not daughters" remark was true, they'd all just be dead.
2. To get chi powers, you must work HARD for them, over a period of what is often YEARS. I can accept the idea of a character having a natural talent at cultivating chi, maybe even be a prodigy at it, but to pull the stuff that Remake-Child-Mulan does in the opening sequence at her age is just too far. Remake-Mulan is never shown training or even practicing chi techniques, at all.
@@everlastingdragon4520 Today I learned! Thanks.
Chi is like blood. Everyone has it, regardless of gender. In Chinese made fantasies, you can gain powers from it, but you still have to train.
Frankly, the people criticizing the original movies always seemed like joyless workaholics back in the 90s. Now those critics are bitter and spiteful people who think a girl showing kindness instead of trying to gain more, more, and more power is the source of all evil. The appropiate term is morality bullies, since they like to proclaim they are virtuous while trying to shame others for trying to have fun. Perhaps we should go back to the times of mocking those folks like South Park did with the song Blame Canada.
They' woke. Simple as that.
Worse.
Look, I consider myself feminist and woke, but it's infuriating to me how they're doing the old classics so wrong.
They're completely misunderstanding classic princesses.
Not gonna lie because of Rachel Zeigler's big mouth she's actually exposing current Disney for what they are.
I think she’s been told to say at least some of that stuff. I can easily picture someone executive who saw people making fun of Snow White on Buzzfeed 10 years ago tell her to use those talking points
@@amethystimagination3332 Ah
Casting couch lips.
I'll take the the playful teasing of something like Enchanted over their "Modern Audience Syndrome" any day.
Agreed! Enchanted is a great movie!
@@jonelrobinson7432was enchanted that movie of the fairytale princess taken to Live action New york?
@@rsj2877 yep!
Snow White is my favorite Disney princess, her optimism and compassion was really endearing to me when I watched the movie, I was won over instantly and it was proof to me that this character can still be well received by the modern generation.
I love that! I feel like she doesn’t get enough respect especially since she’s the first Disney princess
Definitely! Snow White deserves her flowers 💐
I really feel a lot of the people behind the movies haven't seen the movies in a long time so they only remember certain things and base most their view on the originals on bad faith criticisms of them on the internet.
Based on the interview. I think they went to study groups for their inspiration. Then we had the female ghostbusters which seemed to start this entire trend of. "it's not for you, and you hate it because. (insert something problematic)."
I still think of Wreck it Ralph 2 quote. "Did all your problems get solved because a big handsome man came into your life." I don't know where that came from, but it seems to define everything about what they're trying to do now.
Cinderella’s problems got solved because A) her animal friends that she had been so kind to helped her out because she deserved a night of happiness, B) a magical old woman helped her out because she deserved some happiness, and C) she had the ingenuity to preserve and present the second glass slipper as further evidence she was indeed the woman the Prince met at the ball (and the courage to present herself despite her evil stepmother not wanting her to). The Prince took her away from her abusive home, but he was never painted as being solely responsible for her happy ending. Edit- Also, the King was the one who decided to have the ball in the first place, so the Prince isn’t even the sole member of the royal family contributing to Cinderella’s happy ending. Poor guy is getting overshadowed because he’s not as big and handsome as his charming son.
What irks me about that self-deprecation is how fake and out-of-nowhere it is. Very few of the Disney princesses were told they were liked for their appearance in their respective movies or pressured to look pretty.
- Snow White wasn't really told she was beautiful. The Huntsman broke down in tears and spared her because he couldn't bring himself to kill a child. The sheer madness of the Queen's order was too much for him to handle. He didn't kill Snow White because she was pretty, he didn't do it because he wasn't a monster. Literally, the only one mentioning Snow White's looks was the Evil Queen because she was obsessed with beauty to the point she would rip out a kid's heart just to remove hypothetical competition. Anyone else liked Snow White because she was a sweet and kind girl. Dwarves felt protective of her, local animals were drawn to her kindness. It's a normal response to witnessing a nice and innocent person -- you want to protect them from harm and all the things bad.
- Suitors weren't coming to Jasmine because of her looks, but because she was the sultan's daughter. She scoffed at the compliments about her beauty because she had heard them many, many times before and knew they weren't genuine. All her suitors wanted power that came with marrying her -- her appearance was simply a nice bonus. Jaffar wanted to marry her for the same reason -- it was the fastest route to power. He also enjoyed the prospect of having power of Jasmine because she constantly challenged him and criticized him and he wanted to humiliate her for all the times she intervened.
- Mulan was the only one who we can say was pressured into conforming to the perfect girl look, but it was to reflect the issue with the social norms that limited a girl's worth to whether she'll become a good wife. It wasn't about just her appearance, but her having a personality. She felt like an odd one out, not because she wasn't pretty enough but because she worried about not being able to help her family in any meaningful way.
- Cinderella's story wasn't about her beauty. Prince Charming noticed her because she was the only girl not to flock around him bowing and showing off - she was just strolling around, admiring the palace and she didn't even notice him at first, which peaked his interest. He was looking forward talking to someone who might be genuine and not desperately attempting to impress him. The fact that Cinderella didn't even know he was the prince probably made him like her even more because it meant she just enjoyed spending time with him, without any motive. That must have meant a lot to him, to be seen as a person, not an attachment to cushy life at the palace.
- In Ariel's case, the only one mentioning her looks was Ursula -- and she was doing so in a rather condescending way: "Why would you even need to speak? The pretty face is the only thing he'll like you for". However, prince Eric liked Ariel for her personality, her curiosity and excitement. He appreciated her with all her quirks, charmed by them even.
- Aurora's story wasn't about her beauty as well. It was about Maleficent being either so petty she would ruin a kid's life because she wasn't invited to the christening, or so twisted she intended to spread misery from the very beginning and the "I'm doing this because you didn't invite me" excuse was made up to gaslight the King and Queen into thinking it was their fault and blame themselves for their daughter's imminent doom. Much like Snow White, Aurora was just a teen targeted by an evil person for the pettiest of reasons.
- Belle was pretty, but Gaston pursued her for one reason only: she was the only girl in town who was not interested in him and rejected his advances. It wasn't the matter of her looks, it was the matter of his ego. The Beast also didn't like Belle for her appearance -- he didn't like her at all initially because he was bitter and jaded, not really believing in ever getting rid of his curse. They bonded over some time and the ballroom scene was a lot more meaningful than Belle dancing in a pretty dress -- it was about her being accepted and cherished as she was just like the Beast felt like his old self, back when he was a prince.
Beautifully put 👏🏾
Minor correction: Sneezy and Bashful do call Snow White her "pretty" and "beautiful" at one point.
Also Gaston did go after Belle because of her looks. He states clearly that as the most beautiful girl in town she's "the best". Gaston doesn't fathom the concept of Belle rejecting him. Hence him showing up expecting to marry her on the spot and being humiliated in front of everyone. That humiliation is what truly starts him on the villain's path.
Honestly for Gaston it felt like a mix of both, he did find her beautiful but her rejection definitely drove his ego. If he can get all the Uglies™ and Mids™ to swoon over him then why is this very pretty girl not fawning when he speaks to her and especially when he tries to get her
(forgot to add but can't edit on mobile browser) Well put analysis, all these actors and actresses gotta read it cause you captured it perfectly!
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I miss old Disney. Focused on touching our hearts, making quality stuff we wanted to see and generally staying true to Walt Disney's memory. Even when they started to rely more on franchises and adquisition of studios and IPs like Marvel, you still got a Frozen or Entangled sometimes.
Now we have naked men in all ages events sponsored by Disney, politics replaced good writing and storyline (with very few exceptions) and any kind of criticism to their work earns you every ism/ist under the sun.
Sad but true
Old Disney wasn’t perfect either they made a slave movie where the slave liked being a slave and in aristocats a cat was playing a piano using chopsticks
@@stanleyohuruzo6295 yes, old Disney was flawed. But are you going to tell me they aren't worse as they are right now?
@@ferchubenitez1995 they are both bad on different levels
@@stanleyohuruzo6295 old Disney didn't try to groom children by featuring naked men in all ages events or inserting LGBTQ content on children's media no matter how inappropriate it is.
4:10 YES!!! even Aladdin himself didn't understand what Jasmine was really looking for at first. He puts on the whole "Prince Ali" shtick because he assumes that's what she wants, but when he just acts like himself, he gives her what she's looking for: not romance, but adventure. He stops pretending to be someone he's not and starts seeing the real Jasmine behind who everyone thinks she is.
1. Disney really needs to make more genuine passionate films from the heart instead of this catering BS their half a$$ing these days.
2. Can Rachel for one interview not come off as a douche?
Impossible! Rachel always has to be a douchbaguette. It would kill her if she wasn't.
They need to go back to making unironic sincere films again, the last film I saw from Disney was the animated version of the Lion King, when I was I a kid. What a great a film it was - who would've guessed it was based on Hamlet!
@@rutgaurxi7314 Also on Simba the White Lion, from Japan.
yep pandering is a form of appeasement. Appeasement always ends up backfiring. Also no she can't I, honestly, just think that's who she is i.e. a terrible, narcissistic, condescending. I actually appreciate her bluntness in a way despite how obnoxious it is
All those women in the interviews who claimed their past films are harmful is lying. They only claimed they are "harmful" to force in their political agenda down on audience's throats.
maybe we should make them read the original fairytales.
I think I have the little mermaid and the snow queen somewhere
@warrenbradford2597 Maybe. It wouldn’t surprise me if they truly believed that though.
@@hecklejack7726 Because they are brainwashed?
That, or their idea of "problematic" is "doesn't send the message that I think the world should follow".
Pretty much what you said, but they might _genuinely_ believe it. I never know what to think with people like that.
Disney doesn't care about any political view here. Disney is on the side of money. Live Action remakes come with a built-in audience willing to throw their cash at them. Until they started to crash critically. So they needed a way to distract from the fact that they are deriviative soulless cashgrabs and they turned to market analysis, which told them that controversial casting choices will on one hand garner sympathy from left-leaning culture warriors while provoking right-leaning culture wariors. Those will then duke it out on UA-cam, Twitter, Fox News, Late Night and then BOOM! Free marketing.
Actually, they have been actively losing money over their political agendas. But stubbornly refuse to stop, it’s more about the message than money
Oh yes they do care about liberal politics. They were just stupid enough to think it sold.
@@jairusjackson7799 Again, companies don't have political agendas, they have profit margins. I know the thought of major corporations being idealistic to the point of self-sabotage where they would willingly lose billions for what they think is right is... hilariously naive.
It may be appealing to culture warriors, but it is and has always been bullshit. They care about money and whatever market analysis says will make money. That's literally their entire purpose.
I agree.
They're bad, cos they don't want to pit too mich effort in it, so they hope the revenue comes from all the publicity.
No matter if good or bad, main thing is people talk about it.
Well said!!!
Something we need to consider is that a lot (a LOT) of young people are taught that "old equals bad/worse." Just ask any progressive... (Not that I want to make this political.) So young people will want to find problems with older works, even if these problems will need to be invented by the searcher... And that's before we reflect on how feminism causes actresses to insist that they are better individuals than women of old. (Try to find a male actor belittling his character or perhaps movie.) These people have been taught that "they are superior to everything before them" so of course they have contempt for the old Disney creations.
That's the new fake feminism.
I'm a feminist and I don't want to be/have more than men, I want to be equal.
I don't think past is bad per se, of course women gained a lot of rights, we study, we vote, we can have positions of power, but I wouldn't victim blame women of the past who were forced into a condition of almost slavery.
And in all honesty, as for Disney princesses, even as far as Snowhite, I, as a feminist, don't see all this weakness. I see strong resilient women who managed to go through abuse and still keep sane and come out of it with a smile, without being bitter, unlike these modern ranting bully girl bosses.
I’ve noticed a trend of modern so-called feminists actively ignoring the accomplishments of anyone who came before them. There were feminists protesting for equal rights in the 1960s and ‘70s, and before that there were suffragettes protesting for a woman’s right to vote. However, if you talk to some people today, they’ll act like no one ever cared about women’s rights or did anything until they came along. They ignore the ones who came before them and who fought for the rights they enjoy. It’s like how a year or two ago Jennifer Lawrence rightfully got called out for claiming that there hadn’t been any female action stars until she came along. People immediately began listing female action stars (Sigourney Weaver in the Alien movies, Sandra Bullock in the Speed movies, Demi Moore in G.I. Jane, Carrie-Anne Moss in the Matrix movies, Uma Thurman in Batman & Robin and the Kill Bill movies, Lucy Liu, Drew Barrymore, and Cameron Diaz in Charlie’s Angels, Halle Berry in X-Men and Die Another Day, etc.).
There's a Mark Twain quote about how a classic is a book that everyone wants to have read rather than something people want to sit down and read. I've noticed that people perceive older works as being outdated, stuffy or boring.
It's good that Disney promotes female characters that are smart, assertive and strong. Do it with well-written original content. Bashing men in the name of empowerment sends the wrong message. Blaming poor reviews for bad storytelling on 'ism and 'ist is self-destructive. Wasting money subverting expectations of shows people once loved only bankrupts franchises.
Honestly, as a woman, I'm tired and ashamed of men often being portrayed like stupid.
Adverts are often guilty of that.
I'm sorry.
I grew up on Classic Disney. It makes me sad to see what has become of it. It might be a pipe dream, but I hope that someday, Disney returns to its roots.
Both Belle and Jasmine are characterized as very smart, assertive, and self assured, and they both came from movies from the Renaissance era!
I always thought that Belle was a problem for Disney because she was too perfect and became the model. Contrast her with Ariel, who was presented as a more realistic teenager with flaws such as being impetuous and headstrong that are acknowledged in the film and that get her into trouble.
Since Belle, Disney's been extremely careful to make their princesses role-models for young girls. And any perceived flaw tends to be the problem of society, not the girl.
There are a handful of counterexamples, such as Meg in Hercules. But Belle marks a transition to princesses being a bit bland. And then, ironically, a few years later, even the safe girls of the 90s fail to meet the new expectations of the 2010-20s and are further scrubbed to fit the ever-shrinking concept of the acceptable portrayal of a young woman.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq I completely disagree and your assessment sounds so unfair with flawed standards. How is Belle bland? That just doesn’t make sense to me. Just because she didn’t have the same faults as Ariel or Meg doesn’t make her that. Belle was also not portrayed as being perfect, she had to deal with people who ridiculed her for her ways, and even she had her limits like when she went into the West Wing out of curiosity and almost touched the rose, even though the Beast is part to blame for this for not saying that it was his quarters. She also shows fear when she is in danger of the wolves and when someone she cares about could die. She was also a pretty sensitive person like a lot of people and wasn’t always sure about herself and was surprised by the humanity within the Beast. The real bland princess is Aurora who doesn’t really do anything and lets the whole film dictate where she goes. Belle just probably doesn’t resonate with you, which is okay, but that doesn’t make her bland or too perfect.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq I should also mention that Cinderella has even less development than Belle, but even she is beloved by many and seen as a role model for her perseverance against the abuse she suffers. Belle on the other hand is just more assertive and doesn’t hesitate to say ‘no’.
@@captainhowlerwilson508 I'm at something of a loss as to how villagers not understanding or respecting her as an educated woman or showing fear when she's about to be eaten alive is a character fault for Belle.
And Aurora isn't so much bland as she is a non-entity. She's just not in the movie all that much (less than 18 minutes) and speaks even less (18 lines). And a good chunk of that screen time is made up of moping after she gets her heart broken, being under a spell, or the happy ending where she's mute (and then Belle shows up 30 years later and copies her dance moves). Her only moment of characterization is basically the Once Upon a Dream sequence. Then she gets home, is told she's a princess and utters her final line of the movie at the 34 minute mark.
It's kinda universally recognized as one of that film's faults. She's not a character, so much as a plot device while Maleficent, the good fairies, and Prince Phillip get to do pretty much all the interesting things in the story.
That's not a problem that Belle has. She has plenty of screen time. She's very much the star of the movie. They just choose to make her a paragon. The closest you came to identifying a fault was going into the west room. Which is the fairly minor flaw of being curious.
But otherwise, she's just presented as kind, smart, and patient. The other villagers think she's a funny girl and it rolls off her back. She's even patient with Gaston even when he's criticizing her and tossing her favorite book in the mud, and later showing up with his little proposal.
I think the only time she came across as a real person was when she's nursing the Beast after she saves him. She gets angry with him. She realizes that Beast is right about her going into the West Wing, but doesn't admit it and instead lobs back a grievance of her own.
For those few moments, Disney had something. But beyond that, Belle's kinda an idealized 90s woman.
Now you can say that Disney had the problem earlier with Snow White who was also somewhat idealized for her time. However, Disney didn't go back to the princess well all that often. You also have much more interesting girls like Alice, Wendy, Tinker Bell, Lady, and the good fairies from the same time period.
But since Beauty and the Beast, Disney has been stuck trying to replicate Belle for pretty much all the girls in their movies in one way or another, modified to present-day standards.
You can see Belle's DNA in Jasmine, Pocahontas, Esmeralda, Mulan, and Jane just from the Renaissance era. Current Disney female leads are even more confined in their range.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq I seriously don’t know what triggered you to write a long essay to validate your thoughts and I don’t know what your standards are for character writing. You sound like you are grasping at straws and coming up with such weird philosophies. No way. Belle is real enough for others including myself to connect with to some degree and empathise with her, as she has desires and wants and the town gives her a hard time for this. Does everyone have to act impulsive like Ariel or make a super flawed decision like Meg to be relatable? If she wasn’t acting like a real person, she would have not felt much fear during her initial stay with the Beast or when her father was dying. There are plenty of people out there who see plenty of themselves in her. Sure, she doesn’t have the faults of some other princesses like Ariel, but it is not like she is presented as a god amongst all the humans because of being considered odd by her entire village, her moral ideals and refusal to put up with people’s crap. Those are part of what makes her a well rounded character. Those things that I mentioned like letting curiosity get the better of her or having an entire village ridicule her are not faults to her personality, those are vulnerabilities that make a lot of people relate to her.
I just don’t get how any of the things like Belle having all the qualities like being kind, gentle, compassionate, smart, and loving make her a bland and unreal person. That just doesn’t make any sense. The only reason you think that is because she doesn’t resonate with you. That just doesn’t make any sense considering how assertive she is. It is also not like every princess after her thinks just like her. I don’t agree with your statement, alright and you just couldn’t connect to her. So we can just leave it here.
Disney seems like it’s so embarrassed of itself that it forgot the good parts of their movies. Quoting Mufasa, they’ve forgotten who they are...😢
The blase attitude where you joke that your cast mate's scenes could all get cut and it wouldn't matter...are we sure that she isn't playing the Evil Queen?
When the poor guy didn't have anyghing but good words of admiration for her!
Disney is now losing their magic.... from making heartwarming movies with great messages from their past works to focusing on "fixing" movies with messages that aren't related to the movie and going bankrupt....
To be fair ain't inside out 2 is the best example of a heartwarming movie
Take Raya and the last Dragon. Being careful who to trust is a great message, but "Trusting everyone regardless" is the worst message to have. Plus wish really, really could've used a fairy tale message. Instead of having it be that everyone should get what they wish for.
@@animezilla4486Inside Out 2 was a Pixar movie, and even then Disney demanded that the film be re edited because the freaks over there wanted to make it look like two little girls gay of each other. Disney wanted to make some money this year after all.
@@snowbunnie1113 Riley was never going to be gay in the first place and there was no proof that Disney re-edited anything. Even if the movie has two gay characters so what that doesn't automatically mean that the Disney's going to lose money because they have gay representation people seem to forgot that Disney gots money because they have well-written characters in a well-written story it doesn't matter that a character is straight or gay besides they're having plenty of animated movies for kids that have gay characters and they turn out well for example Mitchell versus the machines
@@chrimsonphantom I think people take the messages of wish way too seriously do all movies specially kids would have to have moral message in them
I think it will be great to go over each disney movie and give it an actual modern viewing. Seeing the films for what they are and not what modern Disney says what it is. Giving a analysis of the characters and art style. Which honestly sounds like a collaboration project. I say this because if Disney keeps its current trajectory they might not last. Or worse they will keep shoveling out the same movies. So it's important to go over why the Disney's classics are classics.
Thanks for the super and that's not a bad idea. I'd definitely like to go over more Disney movies.
That's actually something me and a friend of mine have been wanting to do. We've been rewatching the Disney movies (currently in the middle of Silver Age) and we want to eventually make reviews of them on the channel we made together.
@@bbgunz1705 that would be interesting to see.
@@bbgunz1705 That would be awesome, you should totally go for it. :D
@@mjtannertwins Wow, thank you for the support! We will do our best. :)
The women said, " pretty and nice are important for Disney princesses". Really? Did they even WATCH their films??? Cinderella SURVIVED HER ABUSIVE STEPFAMILY, Snow White saved herself from her wicked stepmother who WANTED TO KILL HER, Belle survived living in a town that CRITICIZES HER ALMOST EVERYDAY, and Jasmine ran away from her father who FORCED HER TO GET MARRIED. But noooooo, the women said bEiNg pReTtY aNd nIcE iS iMpOrTaNt fOr tHeM.😢😢😅
Agreed. And she said "nice" like it was a bad thing.
Being pretty is applicable cause they were designed to look appealing but they make it out to be some negative for no reason. Otherwise, yeah most of these princesses are nice, cause they're good people who little kids could look up to as role models. Snow White didn't free load in the Dwarves' home, she payed them back with her labour in exchange for sleeping at their home.
@@electricfeverx976 I know, right? Just as the wonderfully talented Shania Twain said, "She's not just a pretty face!!"
Even fucking ASHA isn’t like that.
People who don't understand (fairytales) storytelling shouldn't work on movies like this. I grew up with Disney princess and I didn't think for one second "Oh, all there is to them is that they are pretty and nice". Of course little girls may admire and look up to them and it could be argued which degree would be fine or to view them as a role model but it doesn't change the fact that Cinderella choose to remain kind while she was being treated harrshly or strengths of other princesses.
For the longest time my favorite Disney princess was Belle. Because while she was considered pretty she didn't rely on that (people still saw her as weird), she loved to read books and she always was sticking true to who she was. She still found love and a prince who accepted and loved her and they were helping each other.
It's so sad that finding or wanting love is considered such a bad thing these days. Of course finding yourself and who you are is important too but let's be real... romance in media has mostly died and it is sad.
Thanks for the video
I'm all for transparency and honesty, but Rachel Zegler is so obnoxiously mean and douchey that I don't care to see her in anything.
Some people mistake "being honest" with "being rude and nasty".
There’s no hope for the Snow White remake or for Disney. Bob Iger killed Disney the day he became CEO. It just took a while before it showed.
These people do realize that there are more ways to be strong than the obvious ways right?
"Being nice and being pretty are the most important things in being a girl. Not being smart, not being assertive, not being strong."
Was the whole reason Belle didn't fit in in her village not that she was so much smarter then everybody?
Wasn't Mulan strong? She beat an entire army by herself
Snow White was assertive enough to tell 7 basicaly complete strangers whom's house she barged into to wash up before they could have their dinner and it didn't feel toxic cause she actually put in the work
Wasn't Jasmine assertive by denying to just marry any prince untill she found someone she was actually happy with?
Sorry, did these people actually see the original movies?
You’re absolutely correct. They are so clearly ashamed of their past
@@agentkracko some of that past being Pocahontas and the song of the south ,aristocats with a cat playing the piano with chopsticks and that lady and the stramp twin cat scene
@@stanleyohuruzo6295ok yes that’s worth being ashamed of, but not everything
@@jandm4ever716 yeah not everything
In my opinion, the fact that this movie is even being made is an insult to every animator who worked on the original and everyone fighting for animation to be taken seriously as a medium. The original Snow White was the first feature-length animated film (at least in the west), yes the production was troubled and maybe they couldn't do everything they wanted, but that's true of any production, but the film was made and now we get movies like Across The Spiderverse and Last Wish.
This live action remake is just Modern Corporate Disney saying "Animation is silly and for kids".
These problem seeking grifters have always existed, but only in the last 15 or so years has Disney been trying to pander to them (and some have infiltrated the company itself) and now sales have tanked. People didn’t just like the princess because they were “pretty and nice” (how is that a bad thing anyway?) they were popular for rising above their misery with optimism and compassion. They taught kids that kindness sows kindness.
I remember hearing that the live action versions of the Disney princesses are basically the actresses playing themselves in a disney costume. It feels spot on, imo
The Prince in Snow White was never a predator.
Disney currently holds a monopoly over the entertainment industry. If they chose to loathe on themselves, good! The sooner they ruin themselves, the sooner people who actually ENJOYS telling stories (and not just selling ideological propaganda) can make the industry heal and go through a renaissance.
May this renaissance come as soon as possible
Quite frankly they just need to stop pandering and go back to what they used to do. Make new ORIGINAL movies for the whole family to enjoy, not just remakes & sequels of things that don't need them
These movies are so inoffensive that it boggles my mind that there are people out there that find them so offensive.
Me: “Mirror Mirror🪞 on the wall , I would like to experience a classic Disney film without worrying about Palestine 🇵🇸 or Israel 🇮🇱 or any political or racial or gender divisive issue. I just want to be entertained & maybe relive some childhood joy. PERIOD. FULL STOP 🛑!”
Mirror: “Sorry, the Disney elevator 🛗 doesn’t stop on that floor anymore”
Me: “Wierd, Wierd”. “I guess I have to spend my entertainment dollars somewhere else! When does “Dune Messiah” come to movie 🎥 theatres?”
One overlooked aspect of modern Disneys self loathing is how they treat romance. For the past decade Disney has been both mocking and criticizing its own classic animated films for its “problematic relationships” and say things like “girls need to be strong, independent and learn to not need a man to be saved.” Basically teaching kids, particularly girls not to like romance and to be ashamed of liking boys and wanting handsome Princes etc, etc. which really really sad to think about! What’s wrong with falling in love?
So being nice is a harmful message?
It really is a shame that Disney has been around for over 100 years now. And now has seemingly bought into this over criticism about there classic animated movies. Making a self loathing.
I mean what makes more sense. Listening to this small minority of people criticizing them. Or the fact that you’re original animated movies and series made you millions and house hold legend.
Kindness is a value more people need to embrace.
At least there are still some signs of hope in Modern Disney (Frozen 2, Encanto), even if it’s not perfect there’s still potential and still hope for Disney.
While I agree with the point as a whole, that being Disney is ignoring context around characters and changing them to be less interesting and no longer fit with the themes of the fairy tale they represent, I disagree with the idea that the song writers for The Little Mermaid "Just didn't stand up for their song." We saw Disney let go of 7 actors because people were upset little people did not get the role, they are more than willing to replace someone. Likely the song writers wanted to keep the lyrics, but had to make the changes Disney wanted or they would be replaced too.
Its a shame since I liked some of the ways Disney has addressed old films in the past, such as Cinderella 3 where they were like "Yeah, falling in love in one day is a silly idea, but we are here for silly fun so that's what we are making." I'd also love to hear how song writers would change old songs now that they have had 10+ years to think about them and possibly say "Hey, I'd move this line to here instead"
I can understand how some people can see the values of Disney princesses as outdated, but them falling in love so fast is usually part of the stories they're adapting. Shouldn't they be madder at the Grimm brothers or something?
I think the craziest part of all of this is that Disney continues to give the OK on these movies....Disney has always been big on protecting their IPs so I think it's weird to change ALL of them so drastically.
Man, modern Disney can take Doo Doo Brown and the 7 Microaggressions and shove it right back up into their chipotle chute. I HOPE this movie fails, because it's what they deserve for hating the original Snow White so much. That movie put Disney on the map and saved the company from being some unknown footnote left in the dustbin of history.
What’s funny about a lot of these complaints about the animated Disney princesses is that they actually WERE strong and independent. Jasmine took no shit, storming off to confront Jafar HERSELF when Aladdin went missing. Same with Belle; she saved both her father AND Beast from Gaston, and yes, while she wasn’t the one to stop Gaston, she still went back to the castle to help the person she fell in love with.