Kyle, I would verify with your engineer. Stacking of LVLs, as done in this video only allows for very limited load transfer between the two LVLs. I would not seal this style of beam unless a single LVL had the adequate capacity. These beams will act as two separate beams not one deep beam. This is similar to composite action of steel beams with shear studs and concrete deck. The shear studs allows for load transfer between the concrete deck and beam, allowing the concrete and beam to work together. Without shear studs you simply have a steel beam carrying concrete dead load and any load applied to the concrete. Nick Boyle, P.E
Me personally I love the more “focused” videos like this. I’ve been watching you guys for years and just this video alone made me understand a lot better why and how you guys do things the way you do. It’s hard to wrap my head around your way of thinking considering I have never built any post frame/ pole barns. All I’ve ever built was traditional stick framed structures. But man i would love to get in to the post frame business. I would love to do exactly what you and Greg do and do the whole entire build from beginning to end. Your attention to detail and the way you double check and confirm everything the way you do has had a huge influence on the way I do my jobs and it has made me put out a better product and most importantly made more money. Keep it up Kyle. You and the Perkins brothers are the two best construction UA-camrs
Thanks for this video. First pole barn, and I needed an eave garage door opening. There is not alot of information out there on this type of build. Really appreciated
I always enjoy how you try to keep thing square and straight. I own a door company here in Indiana. I wish my contractors would go to the detail that you do. I’m a perfectionist and these out of square and in level openings drives me crazy.
Shots of Greg thinking, and then congratulating himself in this thought is awesome self-affirmation! “Your good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like you” -Stuart Smalls
Kyle, what you may or may not know is that it's the DEPTH of the LVL or any board, that controls the amount of deflection (even to the breaking point). Whether you lay the boards flat or on edge, the depth (vertical) of the material controls how much deflection is allowed, and thereby controls whether or not a floor feels "bouncy" when you walk on it. And as someone I know say, "Math never lies!" Another great vid!
a little construction adhesive on the edges between the LVL, joining them into a single LVL, really makes it stronger. Probably overkill, but when I stack structural members I do it.
Hi Kyle, You were right about depth providing more strength then thickness - in theory. The simple math is that the strength of a beam varies as the square of the thickness vs the cube of the depth, FOR A SINGLE BEAM. Built up beams don’t follow this math unless they are properly bolted as per a PE…..but if you wanted to get the most out of your two stacked LVLS, you could bolt them with ½” bolts and washers using gussets that span both LVLs every 18” or so in a zig-zag pattern….or call a friendly PE and he can help with tying them together…..but I do understand what your intent was…..
You can get LVLs up to 24" in height from Mendards, prices are online. When you read the comments you will see that stacked 12" LVL was a mistake from an engineering perspective as they don't effectively tie together. Would have been much better to go with a single 16" LVL, and probably cheaper also.
A joy to watch your videos. Always inspiring and I admire your imagination to keep coming up with great ideas and sharing your knowledge. Well done. One Handed Maker - Australia
So I googled LVL beams 1.5 x 5.5 inch. And the winner is ... drumroll ... Home Depot . But the gotcha is probably max length of 8 feet. There are also 3.5 inch thick x 7" LVL's that you could maybe stack. A much more serious supplier is of course West Frazer. On page 18-22 of their User Guide I noticed a bunch of 1 1/2" options up to 32 feet long.
Stacked headers - unless your connection from the upper to the lower can transfer the horizontal shear, the two lvl's stacked are no different than two side by side. Assuming they both have the dame cross section, they have equal stiffness and thus carry the load equally. No accounting in the above for proper bracing to prevent buckling.
They are weaker than 2 side by side (which are nailed or screwed together) They are only slightly stronger than 1 single bean He would be getting more strength laminating them conventionally! He should definitely fire whichever engineer told him this. There's no resistance to horizontal shear in his design.
Yeah, this one looks like a DIY engineering job. The LVL rigidity goes as the cube of the height (regular beam bending theory). And they just add linearly at best if you stack them because as noted in the comment here, you can't tie them together in shear. Would have been way better to simply go with a single 16" LVL for the span, which is almost 1.8 times stiffer than the 12" used. Or , if you really wanted to be sure, you could have used a single 24" wide LVL, which is 4x stiffer than the 12". Kyle is really smart alot, but sometimes not so smart.
I'm trying to build a 35x80 post frame ranch for my family. Using Menards for the kit but man trying to get funded for this is a lot harder than I ever thought.
They should be at a minimum structural bolts going all the way through both the inside and outside header for equal distribution of point load. Nails and screws are now carrying the point load not to mention the weight of the door being added
Yes, issue or component, or element specific videos are great. When younger I built our own buildings. Cannot do it anymore. It is very interesting to see how you build. You two are super efficient and super productive. Design and build repetition is your best friend. I need a new 48x64 - will start in December.
I don't know if it's an Illinios thing but I have been a carpenter for 30 years and my wife thinks it's funny you and I both use the phrase "it's good enough for the girls I go with"
I’d love to see you go through your Menard’s ordering process. Like how do you plan for windows? Door locations? Do you buy everything through them or just the rough frame?
It seems to me that you are relying on the shear strength of the nails to hold the roof trusses. I am no structural guy, but that doesn't seem right. It would seem you would need some jack studs on both ends and a stronger header. But again, I am no structural guy. Love your videos and channel by the way.
Yup, that kinda bothered me too. All the structure is hanging on the 20d nails shot into the columns. With jack studs under the lvl to transfer load to the foundation all you need is your standards girts to hold everything in place. They probably don't have much snow load and zero earthquake concerns where they are building.
Without seeing the whole assembly installed it’s hard to comment. 1- I don’t think the stacked headers are stronger than laminated. 2-Boxing the bottom does stiffen the header. Kinda like an I beam design. 3- why not add jack studs to transfer the load down to foundation? I would not trust just face nailed headers. 4- A structural engineer can give you a header design for 8’, 10’, 12’ etc that is guaranteed to work and you don’t have to go back each time. I’m not saying what you have will not hold up but paying an engineer for 4 hours is not too much for knowing it WILL hold up.
I don't quite understand the stub column I know what it's for but. the truss that sits on it is only being supported by the fasteners going into an lvl and all the weight is going straight to the fasteners? Nothing else holding it?
Doesn’t this design transfer the truss load through the nails (shear)? Shouldn’t the header sit on top of a post much like a jack/king stud arrangement in a man door?
Kyle, I would verify with your engineer. Stacking of LVLs, as done in this video only allows for very limited load transfer between the two LVLs. I would not seal this style of beam unless a single LVL had the adequate capacity. These beams will act as two separate beams not one deep beam.
This is similar to composite action of steel beams with shear studs and concrete deck. The shear studs allows for load transfer between the concrete deck and beam, allowing the concrete and beam to work together. Without shear studs you simply have a steel beam carrying concrete dead load and any load applied to the concrete.
Nick Boyle, P.E
Greg is such a stud.
A live stream and a video in the same day. Well done.
Thanks Kyle & Greg for showing us. 😁👍🏼
Me personally I love the more “focused” videos like this. I’ve been watching you guys for years and just this video alone made me understand a lot better why and how you guys do things the way you do. It’s hard to wrap my head around your way of thinking considering I have never built any post frame/ pole barns. All I’ve ever built was traditional stick framed structures. But man i would love to get in to the post frame business. I would love to do exactly what you and Greg do and do the whole entire build from beginning to end. Your attention to detail and the way you double check and confirm everything the way you do has had a huge influence on the way I do my jobs and it has made me put out a better product and most importantly made more money. Keep it up Kyle. You and the Perkins brothers are the two best construction UA-camrs
Thanks for this video. First pole barn, and I needed an eave garage door opening. There is not alot of information out there on this type of build. Really appreciated
Yes yes. More detail videos like this. Get very detailed please.
I always enjoy how you try to keep thing square and straight. I own a door company here in Indiana. I wish my contractors would go to the detail that you do. I’m a perfectionist and these out of square and in level openings drives me crazy.
Need any guys?
I've been learning a ton watching your videos
Great job as always guys. 👍👍🏴🏴
This was exactly what I was asking about during the "live hole dig" thanks for this!
Shots of Greg thinking, and then congratulating himself in this thought is awesome self-affirmation! “Your good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like you” -Stuart Smalls
Greg is a smart guy, and a helluva builder. Can't see him in a software office.
Kyle, what you may or may not know is that it's the DEPTH of the LVL or any board, that controls the amount of deflection (even to the breaking point). Whether you lay the boards flat or on edge, the depth (vertical) of the material controls how much deflection is allowed, and thereby controls whether or not a floor feels "bouncy" when you walk on it. And as someone I know say, "Math never lies!"
Another great vid!
a little construction adhesive on the edges between the LVL, joining them into a single LVL, really makes it stronger. Probably overkill, but when I stack structural members I do it.
Hi Kyle, You were right about depth providing more strength then thickness - in theory. The simple math is that the strength of a beam varies as the square of the thickness vs the cube of the depth, FOR A SINGLE BEAM. Built up beams don’t follow this math unless they are properly bolted as per a PE…..but if you wanted to get the most out of your two stacked LVLS, you could bolt them with ½” bolts and washers using gussets that span both LVLs every 18” or so in a zig-zag pattern….or call a friendly PE and he can help with tying them together…..but I do understand what your intent was…..
I enjoyed the details and hearing your reasons for the approach you took.
You make this all look so easy.
I've got to get myself some Martinez tools. That guy makes the best hammers and squares that I've ever seen!
Allright !!!The pole building guys yes!!! Going for it!!!!
Definitely like the "focused" videos
You can get LVLs up to 24" in height from Mendards, prices are online. When you read the comments you will see that stacked 12" LVL was a mistake from an engineering perspective as they don't effectively tie together. Would have been much better to go with a single 16" LVL, and probably cheaper also.
A joy to watch your videos.
Always inspiring and I admire your imagination to keep coming up with great ideas and sharing your knowledge.
Well done.
One Handed Maker - Australia
Great job went thru an entire box of Bon- Bons watching u guys work!
yeah this is the only video i watched from you guys in a long while... more like it pretty please
I prefer the live commentary. I like both.
Greg’s hilarious bro 😂
Every video is a good video I don't think there has been one that I haven't learned something new.
Those LVLs are badass
So I googled LVL beams 1.5 x 5.5 inch. And the winner is ... drumroll ... Home Depot . But the gotcha is probably max length of 8 feet. There are also 3.5 inch thick x 7" LVL's that you could maybe stack.
A much more serious supplier is of course West Frazer. On page 18-22 of their User Guide I noticed a bunch of 1 1/2" options up to 32 feet long.
"12 inch Martinez, love it." *Immediately sets it down and pulls out smaller square* XD
This is what i want to watch thanks bro
Another great video….. your content for this framing is fantastic. The detail you and Greg put into your work is incredible.
Stacked headers - unless your connection from the upper to the lower can transfer the horizontal shear, the two lvl's stacked are no different than two side by side. Assuming they both have the dame cross section, they have equal stiffness and thus carry the load equally. No accounting in the above for proper bracing to prevent buckling.
They are weaker than 2 side by side (which are nailed or screwed together)
They are only slightly stronger than 1 single bean
He would be getting more strength laminating them conventionally! He should definitely fire whichever engineer told him this. There's no resistance to horizontal shear in his design.
@JH-tc3yu
I agree. Also, the strength is limited to the nails in this procedure, unless I'm missing something.
Yeah, this one looks like a DIY engineering job. The LVL rigidity goes as the cube of the height (regular beam bending theory). And they just add linearly at best if you stack them because as noted in the comment here, you can't tie them together in shear. Would have been way better to simply go with a single 16" LVL for the span, which is almost 1.8 times stiffer than the 12" used. Or
, if you really wanted to be sure, you could have used a single 24" wide LVL, which is 4x stiffer than the 12". Kyle is really smart alot, but sometimes not so smart.
I'm trying to build a 35x80 post frame ranch for my family. Using Menards for the kit but man trying to get funded for this is a lot harder than I ever thought.
#1 don't use menards Period
@@Btknows75 That's our most affordable option.
Do you mean financing from a bank?
I use Menards for almost all of my building materials. Nothing wrong with them. Best prices, hands down.
@@foundryman1985I live in California, I’ve discovered the most affordable option is to steal from Home Depot $900 worth of material each trip 😂
Plus with the 11% rebate I'll be looking at getting close to 6k back in store credit which I'll use on more building materials
Greg, that shirt definitely looks green from here.. 😂
I love this format and fully support more of them! I learned a ton, thanks for sharing your knowledge, as always!
Yeeeaah boy a live stream and an upload
They should be at a minimum structural bolts going all the way through both the inside and outside header for equal distribution of point load.
Nails and screws are now carrying the point load not to mention the weight of the door being added
Is the weight of a garage door being supported by the header?
@@krististanley8508 I would say yes
Great video, love the focused content
Amazing build for two guys,have to admit though that glue lam beam,all the weight is on the fasteners.wouuld never pass code up here in Canada.
Great Video.
Sawdust shavings AKA Man Glitter 🙂
Yes, issue or component, or element specific videos are great.
When younger I built our own buildings.
Cannot do it anymore.
It is very interesting to see how you build.
You two are super efficient and super productive.
Design and build repetition is your best friend.
I need a new 48x64 - will start in December.
I don't know if it's an Illinios thing but I have been a carpenter for 30 years and my wife thinks it's funny you and I both use the phrase "it's good enough for the girls I go with"
6:28: Greg be like: "Man I wish this guy'd shut up so we can get some work done..." lol
Good job
Hello my friend🎉🎉🎉
I’d love to see you go through your Menard’s ordering process. Like how do you plan for windows? Door locations? Do you buy everything through them or just the rough frame?
pro desk
the windows and doors are likely chosen during the design/drawing stage. Once he's on site, all those decisions have already been made.
A+++ Video!!!
It seems to me that you are relying on the shear strength of the nails to hold the roof trusses. I am no structural guy, but that doesn't seem right. It would seem you would need some jack studs on both ends and a stronger header. But again, I am no structural guy. Love your videos and channel by the way.
So the header is held on by shear strength of the fasciners, not jack studs to bring the load down to the foundation?
Yup, that kinda bothered me too. All the structure is hanging on the 20d nails shot into the columns. With jack studs under the lvl to transfer load to the foundation all you need is your standards girts to hold everything in place. They probably don't have much snow load and zero earthquake concerns where they are building.
Without seeing the whole assembly installed it’s hard to comment.
1- I don’t think the stacked headers are stronger than laminated.
2-Boxing the bottom does stiffen the header. Kinda like an I beam design.
3- why not add jack studs to transfer the load down to foundation? I would not trust just face nailed headers.
4- A structural engineer can give you a header design for 8’, 10’, 12’ etc that is guaranteed to work and you don’t have to go back each time.
I’m not saying what you have will not hold up but paying an engineer for 4 hours is not too much for knowing it WILL hold up.
I don't quite understand the stub column I know what it's for but. the truss that sits on it is only being supported by the fasteners going into an lvl and all the weight is going straight to the fasteners? Nothing else holding it?
Doesn’t this design transfer the truss load through the nails (shear)? Shouldn’t the header sit on top of a post much like a jack/king stud arrangement in a man door?
Kinda but not really. It transfers into the bottom 2x6 as well as the nails, he sort of built a box beam with the LVL and 2x12
When are you going to mic up Greg?
It's Lime green
With your large variations in temperature and humidity do you get any bad warping or delaminating with the LVL???
Freakin sweet hat Kyle! What kind is it?
Do you work out or are you built just from working ?
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If you do a 16' wide on an endwall do you also use lvl or just stay with 2x12 in and out?
What happened to your livestream video?
Doing post in ground and I'm worried about rot, using 2x6 laminated posts, 4ft buried, 10ft walls.
if you look at his setup he has the poles set in galvanized boxes on top of a foundation wall, so no chance of rot there i would guess
Just add a water proof sleeve where the post meets the ground. They are readily available at most home centers these days.
I have heard good and bad about those sleeves.
doing post in ground is a pretty terrible idea. @@robbiedh02
Used those mid western columns thanks
Kyle, buy Greg some sleeves. Come on Man.
Where is your ear protection
What brand is your nail gun and what is the tank on the bottom of it?
looks like a Fasco F91A
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Kyle it's not shavings it's man glitter lol 😂
Damn, Greg is delicious!
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Can I have a job I’m from Austin Tx