This topic has always been a taboo. I take this open dialogue as a small step forward for Malaysians. I am already in my 60s hopefully I can live long enough to see more progress
I don't think one of the right team member truly understand about😢 open discussion. He just highlighted that in future he would search more references to support his ideas... I thought the right side reminded him about the balances of ideas is to explore more different views of researchers? As a psychology graduate, I remember how important of the learning is through understanding of all research point of views and data, not just finding those research that 'support' your own angle. 😅
Because of quota system we are still far behind Singapore , all our best brains are working after studied in other countries and Singapore has been having our best workforce for years
Why? Actually it's so simple.. Yet this topic been discussed over 69years with no conclusion.😢 This clearly indicate the quality of our political and academic administration.
Sebenarnya quota ni bkn utk semua bmpt tp pd satu bangsa saja. Bangsa ni sja akan takut bersaing buat selamanya sbb tertakluk pd pelembagaan yg tak adil pd asasnya. Peluklah keistimewaan itu sampai negara ni dijahanamkan demi kelemahan bangsa ni di tanah bangsa ni. Debat ni takkan ke mana sbb quota ni bkn utk kemajuan bangsa, agama dan negara selagi bangsa ni saja masih berfikiran sedemikian pd zaman sekrang. Klau bangsa ni letakkan sendiri sebagai bkn bmpt dan terima ketidakadilan ni sejak pembelajaran, mcm mana perasaan bangsa ni terhadap negera ni sebagai rakyat. Fikir x2 kan lar. Quota ni bkn pelindungan selamnya tp apa penyelesaian pd masa hadapan.
Tengok kes kastam johor , berani buka semua kaunter lampu hijau,tapi ada pegawai hanya 5,6orang..government tolong bumi sampai apa mereka buat? Semua ingat jawatan ini niaga ibubapa mereka,,apa tanggungjawab mereka baca university?😂
Because article 153 give them special right to on all green light 🤣 can’t argue or debate anything with this species. Only thing they know is article 153 hahaha.
Quota of 50/50 for bumis and non bumis. Within the quota comes meritocracy. So, there is a blend of quota n meritocracy. We need to select quality people to prosper n develop the country.
However Bumiputra percentage is higher, so the so called poor percentage also higher, this just a simple math. And the Dr VS Petani comparison is not a fair comparison. Is all non malay born to be Dr or professional? No. Should use a hawker stall char kue tiao owner VS warong stall nasi lemak owner. My uncle is an Dr, my grandpa not rich but he did his best to get my uncle to Uni and be a Dr. He not born to be a Dr. The book for me is just purely hate and dont like to the people who success. Equality is the key. But back to the quota. If today chinese/indian is the majority of the country, maybe (maybe) the same system will still exist. This is just my good guess.
This type of quota is imbalance …..the percentage of races in the quota system is imbalance with Malaysias race composition . Kalau ckp dia buat ape ada peperiksaan untuk masuk ke Universiti …..semua university yang maju di dunia ni kemasukan dia berdasarkan merits…..bukan sape sape bln masuk…..
Additionally, nobody could point out the root issues... What causes the low competitiveness nature , what can we do to improve the low study motivation for weaker students, rather than provide the system to protect ? This is the hardest part problem to tackle. 😅
I think the root cause is very obvious, but there isn't any political will to acknowledge it & to reform it... The political leaders would rather maintain the status quo... Eventhough it has severe negative impact which is visible, they refuse to do the right thing... They'll blame everything else except the real issue... The biggest loosers of the current system are the Bumiputeras & they will not realise this fact until some crisis takes place...
First of all, is this debate or discussion forum? Secondly, the host shouldn't guide the discussion to zero sum games. my humble opinion. 1) is the Bumiputra quota needed in education, the answer is yes, if we agree that quota needed for others imbalance, why not race. (The issue is there shouldn't be a quota based that dominance the majority resources that leave very little for others) second, i agree that no matters how u see it, we need bumiputra which is 70% population to be up for economy and growth. 2) Is the bumiputra quota percentage now dominate most of the resources and leave very little for others imbalance in terms of poor, gender, geo - Yes... what is the percentage then? this is good discussion point, how we look at the statistic from different angle and reach consensus. 3) We are want the end games that we all feel secure and based on merit that we have same starting point.. discussion on zero sum games approach won't do it. How do we reach that without neglect anyone or not addressing any others imbalance. More fruitful discussion, don't u think, host?
The 3 guys on the left are saying after 64 yrs of independence we should abolish quota system for education. Government can keep special right for the Malays for other matter e.g PNB or housing or gomen jobs. But education is a basic. The 3 clowns on the right have no argument except talking about national identity which is irrelevant to the discussion and they couldn’t even answer questions clearly while kept giving their own representation of the constitution. And what does religion got to do with education ? LOL. And talking about article 153 non stop because the tongkat belacan race know they’re dead if higher education is fairly opened to all Malaysians. They can’t argue with facts or sense cause they’re that stupid and insecure.
I want to ask, if we are abandoned by the quota system, how can we gain national recognition? We need to improve the quota system for those who is more in need.
Berapa tahun you akan ambil untuk capai matlamat ini.Kan dah lama sangat,dan banyak telah pergi ke seluroh dunia selain banyak Institusi dlm.Negara untuk bantu satu segment Rakyat.
I strongly agreed on the building the society and education systems based on the inequality of various aspects, should be beyond the racial system. 😅 secondly, if the so called students are not good enough in education and wants to push them up into universities, why establish a matriculation of one year, instead of 2.5 years to 3 years? Just like Singapore, if your results are good enough, you can sit for o level exam after 4 years, else you study 5 years to do o level. Malaysia should just take Singapore o level system as reference. Instead， allowing weaker students to get into public universities after one year, which causes the so called downgrade of the universities as the matriculation students are not competent enough for direct entry after one year study. 😅😅
25:39 Does that mean the real equality is the percentage of professionals in Bumi putera, Chinese and India equal to the percentage of ethnic distribution in Malaysia? If it is what you are striving for, what if the percentage of professionals in Bumi Putera is 1 % more? Does that mean Bumi Putera now has an advantage gap over other ethnic? When this gap is small enough, would the education quota be ended? Would the minority be able to speak out? In fact, no one cares for the minority, unless you have a politician representation in the dewan negara/negeri. The majority may think it is the minority's fault for not reproducing more and increasing the population in Malaysia. In fact, unfair policies like education quotas force minorities to have a pessimistic view of the government and Malaysia's future. We felt isolated, discriminated and even worse second-class citizens in Malaysia. This is similar to Japan's scenario where old politicians hold the power in parliament and create policies that benefit only senior citizen communities. In other words, the young bloods should be taxed heavily to support the old people community. it is a fair, right? For the senior citizens definitely (even though they are richer). When a ladder is given to a weak person for a long time, taking away it when the person is strong will make him angry and most ironically he would feel discriminated and unfair. We support this because this policy benefits all of us, not only us, the selected one ethnicity. Then we tend to blame the vernacular school for separating people, but the unfair policy separates people more by implying their second-class Malaysian identities repeatedly. Sometimes the policy only benefits rich first-class Malaysians who own politician power over generations, not the needed first-class Malaysians. PS: Beneficial to selected/protected ethnic or first-class Malaysians = Unfair to other ethnic.
The idiot that say tak jumpa satu fakta Or reference yg mengaitkan quota dengan kualiti, immediately proves the lack of quality in the system. An inability to see, detect and understand.
I am Malaysian born Chinese. Its definitely a waste of time discussing something that you already the know the answer. Its definitely a shame hearing so many racist statement coming out from high qualified people. Some couldn't even speak our national language properly.
@@louong93 You are unable to distinguish grammar from slang. Sedih/malu betul baca comment awak sebenarnya, You are all about rhetoric rather than fact.
@@captenscarlet6967 so you think his malay is fine? That's the problem with Malaysia born Chinese. Always about denial. The same I could say to those racist malay. If Malaysia go on with the quota system I don't think we will be going far. The 2 biggest problem in Malaysia is one quota system. 2nd having venukular school. If those things can be rectify we can go far.
Question tentang kaum, raise hand masa neutral, tapi every single words from them is about supporting the quota system which is race based. Poker face.
Asyik je rapatkan jurang bumi non bumi. Tak nak ke rapatkan jurang malaysia dengan Singapore dengan Vietnam keh ? So inward thinking , gone case lah if that’s our current educated so called moderates
If disable quota system, all students can get a place to study in IPTA or matrix by their study result. It's fair to everyone. Therefore bmpt and non-bmpt will try improve themselves to get a place to study in IPTA. By this, lecture uni will get more chances improve the subject title contain Matrix/stpm this 2 ways can educate qualified students. Qualified in study result or qualified in moral value or qualified in both? So how to evaluate students qualified or not? Yes i agreed that STPM is harder than Matrix in education. But also can't stated that Matrix students don't get hard in study.. You may saw in news or heard before, race non-bmpt student which he/she got the xA(more than 4) in SPM also can't continue further study in Matrix.. Also for this non-bmpt who STPM result 4.0 can't study in IPTA with his/her first or 2nd choices course its' all caused quota system (Above just my opinion)
Tlg cakap dlm Bahasa Melayu. awak bukan dekat India atau Eropah atau Amerika Syarikat, kamu berada di Malaysia, Sebagai warganegara Malaysia, tlg berbahasa melayu. Kelemahan dlm Bahasa Melayu bukanlah sesuatu perkara yg dibanggakan. Sebagai rakyat Malaysia yg berbangsa India, saya berasa malu apabila warganegara malaysia berbangsa india yg tidak boleh fasih dalam bahasa kebangsaan. Tolong cakap dalam bahasa melayu, tolonglah
Melayu bumiputra maseh ketinggalan jauh kaum bumiputra kebanyakan bumiputra tinggal di kampong2 mane ibu bape mereke berdapatkan rendah,kebanyakan. Hanye petani,ataupun nelayan.sekolah2 di badar lebeh baik dari luar bandar.saye maseh sokong anak bumi maseh ketinggalan ka belakang.kite maseh keneikut perlembagaan tak payah di soalkan lagi.
This topic has always been a taboo. I take this open dialogue as a small step forward for Malaysians. I am already in my 60s hopefully I can live long enough to see more progress
Hanya orang OKU perlu hak keismewaan dan quota.
Nampaknya Melayu Islam semuanya OKU?..sejak 60 tahun dahulu?
Ternyata golongan Melayu Islam adalah OKU sejak 60 tahun lalu!
I don't think one of the right team member truly understand about😢 open discussion. He just highlighted that in future he would search more references to support his ideas... I thought the right side reminded him about the balances of ideas is to explore more different views of researchers? As a psychology graduate, I remember how important of the learning is through understanding of all research point of views and data, not just finding those research that 'support' your own angle. 😅
Because of quota system we are still far behind Singapore , all our best brains are working after studied in other countries and Singapore has been having our best workforce for years
But then Singapore bumi quota system didn't effect their standings
p la kerja sana...sana gaji besar kan....
Singapore does not have bumi quota
@sirzechs3960 since when? Bumi quota is enshrined in singaporean constitution.
We must all watch this!! 🙏🙏🙏
Why? Actually it's so simple.. Yet this topic been discussed over 69years with no conclusion.😢 This clearly indicate the quality of our political and academic administration.
Words are empty without action.
A meeting sounds like a waste of time, space and air.
Initially was 70% quotas. After 40 years the % increase to 80% then 90% then 95%……
You see the problem?
@@chunhwasee1490 proof?
It's for the sake of the majority OKU's that need support since 60 years ago! Now, they're in slumberland.
67 year not enough then how long you want? Till eternity ?
They will agree to your suggestion.. or until the minority population decimated to less than 4%🎉😮😢
SUCCESS WILL NEVER LOWER IT'S STANDARD TO ACCOMMODATE US. EVENTUALLY A PRICE HAS TO BE PAID.
Sebenarnya quota ni bkn utk semua bmpt tp pd satu bangsa saja. Bangsa ni sja akan takut bersaing buat selamanya sbb tertakluk pd pelembagaan yg tak adil pd asasnya. Peluklah keistimewaan itu sampai negara ni dijahanamkan demi kelemahan bangsa ni di tanah bangsa ni. Debat ni takkan ke mana sbb quota ni bkn utk kemajuan bangsa, agama dan negara selagi bangsa ni saja masih berfikiran sedemikian pd zaman sekrang. Klau bangsa ni letakkan sendiri sebagai bkn bmpt dan terima ketidakadilan ni sejak pembelajaran, mcm mana perasaan bangsa ni terhadap negera ni sebagai rakyat. Fikir x2 kan lar. Quota ni bkn pelindungan selamnya tp apa penyelesaian pd masa hadapan.
Left side care for everyone, right side care for one. 😂
Tengok kes kastam johor , berani buka semua kaunter lampu hijau,tapi ada pegawai hanya 5,6orang..government tolong bumi sampai apa mereka buat? Semua ingat jawatan ini niaga ibubapa mereka,,apa tanggungjawab mereka baca university?😂
Because article 153 give them special right to on all green light 🤣 can’t argue or debate anything with this species. Only thing they know is article 153 hahaha.
merepek ko ni..x ada kaitan langsung...ko ingat dlm kastam tu melayu sahaja ke
Quota of 50/50 for bumis and non bumis. Within the quota comes meritocracy. So, there is a blend of quota n meritocracy. We need to select quality people to prosper n develop the country.
However Bumiputra percentage is higher, so the so called poor percentage also higher, this just a simple math.
And the Dr VS Petani comparison is not a fair comparison. Is all non malay born to be Dr or professional? No. Should use a hawker stall char kue tiao owner VS warong stall nasi lemak owner.
My uncle is an Dr, my grandpa not rich but he did his best to get my uncle to Uni and be a Dr. He not born to be a Dr. The book for me is just purely hate and dont like to the people who success.
Equality is the key. But back to the quota. If today chinese/indian is the majority of the country, maybe (maybe) the same system will still exist. This is just my good guess.
So if u just use race , then should a t20 Malay get it just cause he or she Malay. Use la need based . Common sense
This type of quota is imbalance …..the percentage of races in the quota system is imbalance with Malaysias race composition .
Kalau ckp dia buat ape ada peperiksaan untuk masuk ke Universiti …..semua university yang maju di dunia ni kemasukan dia berdasarkan merits…..bukan sape sape bln masuk…..
Additionally, nobody could point out the root issues... What causes the low competitiveness nature , what can we do to improve the low study motivation for weaker students, rather than provide the system to protect ? This is the hardest part problem to tackle. 😅
I think the root cause is very obvious, but there isn't any political will to acknowledge it & to reform it... The political leaders would rather maintain the status quo... Eventhough it has severe negative impact which is visible, they refuse to do the right thing... They'll blame everything else except the real issue...
The biggest loosers of the current system are the Bumiputeras & they will not realise this fact until some crisis takes place...
First of all, is this debate or discussion forum? Secondly, the host shouldn't guide the discussion to zero sum games.
my humble opinion.
1) is the Bumiputra quota needed in education, the answer is yes, if we agree that quota needed for others imbalance, why not race. (The issue is there shouldn't be a quota based that dominance the majority resources that leave very little for others) second, i agree that no matters how u see it, we need bumiputra which is 70% population to be up for economy and growth.
2) Is the bumiputra quota percentage now dominate most of the resources and leave very little for others imbalance in terms of poor, gender, geo - Yes... what is the percentage then? this is good discussion point, how we look at the statistic from different angle and reach consensus.
3) We are want the end games that we all feel secure and based on merit that we have same starting point.. discussion on zero sum games approach won't do it. How do we reach that without neglect anyone or not addressing any others imbalance.
More fruitful discussion, don't u think, host?
IMO the more reason the quota system should be migrated after listening to the 3 guys sitting on the left side of the moderator.
The 3 guys on the left are saying after 64 yrs of independence we should abolish quota system for education. Government can keep special right for the Malays for other matter e.g PNB or housing or gomen jobs. But education is a basic. The 3 clowns on the right have no argument except talking about national identity which is irrelevant to the discussion and they couldn’t even answer questions clearly while kept giving their own representation of the constitution. And what does religion got to do with education ? LOL. And talking about article 153 non stop because the tongkat belacan race know they’re dead if higher education is fairly opened to all Malaysians. They can’t argue with facts or sense cause they’re that stupid and insecure.
I want to ask, if we are abandoned by the quota system, how can we gain national recognition? We need to improve the quota system for those who is more in need.
This type of quota is imbalance …..the percentage of races in the quota system is imbalance with Malaysias race composition .
Berapa tahun you akan ambil untuk capai matlamat ini.Kan dah lama sangat,dan banyak telah pergi ke seluroh dunia selain banyak Institusi dlm.Negara untuk bantu satu segment Rakyat.
What’s the difference with South Africa’s apartheid?
I strongly agreed on the building the society and education systems based on the inequality of various aspects, should be beyond the racial system. 😅 secondly, if the so called students are not good enough in education and wants to push them up into universities, why establish a matriculation of one year, instead of 2.5 years to 3 years? Just like Singapore, if your results are good enough, you can sit for o level exam after 4 years, else you study 5 years to do o level. Malaysia should just take Singapore o level system as reference. Instead， allowing weaker students to get into public universities after one year, which causes the so called downgrade of the universities as the matriculation students are not competent enough for direct entry after one year study. 😅😅
还要给🐴未西亞幾多个100年
sapa kata Matrikulasi mudah? sbb mudah ke korang kalut sangat nk masuk kan?
25:39 Does that mean the real equality is the percentage of professionals in Bumi putera, Chinese and India equal to the percentage of ethnic distribution in Malaysia? If it is what you are striving for, what if the percentage of professionals in Bumi Putera is 1 % more? Does that mean Bumi Putera now has an advantage gap over other ethnic? When this gap is small enough, would the education quota be ended? Would the minority be able to speak out? In fact, no one cares for the minority, unless you have a politician representation in the dewan negara/negeri. The majority may think it is the minority's fault for not reproducing more and increasing the population in Malaysia. In fact, unfair policies like education quotas force minorities to have a pessimistic view of the government and Malaysia's future. We felt isolated, discriminated and even worse second-class citizens in Malaysia. This is similar to Japan's scenario where old politicians hold the power in parliament and create policies that benefit only senior citizen communities. In other words, the young bloods should be taxed heavily to support the old people community. it is a fair, right? For the senior citizens definitely (even though they are richer). When a ladder is given to a weak person for a long time, taking away it when the person is strong will make him angry and most ironically he would feel discriminated and unfair. We support this because this policy benefits all of us, not only us, the selected one ethnicity. Then we tend to blame the vernacular school for separating people, but the unfair policy separates people more by implying their second-class Malaysian identities repeatedly. Sometimes the policy only benefits rich first-class Malaysians who own politician power over generations, not the needed first-class Malaysians. PS: Beneficial to selected/protected ethnic or first-class Malaysians = Unfair to other ethnic.
The idiot that say tak jumpa satu fakta Or reference yg mengaitkan quota dengan kualiti, immediately proves the lack of quality in the system. An inability to see, detect and understand.
I am Malaysian born Chinese. Its definitely a waste of time discussing something that you already the know the answer. Its definitely a shame hearing so many racist statement coming out from high qualified people. Some couldn't even speak our national language properly.
so jangan bincang jangan mintak..simple
@farishayub6861 betul. Saya orang cina Malaysia. Sedih/ malu betul melihat betapa teruknya bahasa melayu dia.
@@louong93 You are unable to distinguish grammar from slang. Sedih/malu betul baca comment awak sebenarnya, You are all about rhetoric rather than fact.
@@captenscarlet6967 so you think his malay is fine? That's the problem with Malaysia born Chinese. Always about denial. The same I could say to those racist malay. If Malaysia go on with the quota system I don't think we will be going far. The 2 biggest problem in Malaysia is one quota system. 2nd having venukular school. If those things can be rectify we can go far.
UPU tu bukan tgk mcm tu..dia tgk result je
Question tentang kaum, raise hand masa neutral, tapi every single words from them is about supporting the quota system which is race based. Poker face.
Asyik je rapatkan jurang bumi non bumi. Tak nak ke rapatkan jurang malaysia dengan Singapore dengan Vietnam keh ? So inward thinking , gone case lah if that’s our current educated so called moderates
If disable quota system, all students can get a place to study in IPTA or matrix by their study result. It's fair to everyone. Therefore bmpt and non-bmpt will try improve themselves to get a place to study in IPTA. By this, lecture uni will get more chances improve the subject title contain
Matrix/stpm this 2 ways can educate qualified students.
Qualified in study result or qualified in moral value or qualified in both? So how to evaluate students qualified or not?
Yes i agreed that STPM is harder than Matrix in education. But also can't stated that Matrix students don't get hard in study..
You may saw in news or heard before, race non-bmpt student which he/she got the xA(more than 4) in SPM also can't continue further study in Matrix..
Also for this non-bmpt who STPM result 4.0 can't study in IPTA with his/her first or 2nd choices course
its' all caused quota system
(Above just my opinion)
Why classified into races .Just help the poor or those who needed.
The whole system has been manipulated by the politicians.
PITY TO THE NATION .
Moderator mcm AI
Tlg cakap dlm Bahasa Melayu. awak bukan dekat India atau Eropah atau Amerika Syarikat, kamu berada di Malaysia, Sebagai warganegara Malaysia, tlg berbahasa melayu.
Kelemahan dlm Bahasa Melayu bukanlah sesuatu perkara yg dibanggakan. Sebagai rakyat Malaysia yg berbangsa India, saya berasa malu apabila warganegara malaysia berbangsa india yg tidak boleh fasih dalam bahasa kebangsaan. Tolong cakap dalam bahasa melayu, tolonglah
Melayu bumiputra maseh ketinggalan jauh kaum bumiputra kebanyakan bumiputra tinggal di kampong2 mane ibu bape mereke berdapatkan rendah,kebanyakan. Hanye petani,ataupun nelayan.sekolah2 di badar lebeh baik dari luar bandar.saye maseh sokong anak bumi maseh ketinggalan ka belakang.kite maseh keneikut perlembagaan tak payah di soalkan lagi.
1:38
Kalau bukan penegasan social status bertapak kuota maka kebempat melayu itu mungkin masih petani atau bomoh kampong......sedar sikit
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