Beterbiev's okay, but calling him the most dominant when he's only fought 20 fights, and has only fought in one division is really too much... Can you not exaggerate his dominance just because you're the president of his fanclub, please? Calling Inoue's resume suspect while not mentioning how weak Crawford's is, and downplaying Spence (which I agree with, Spence is overrated AF) is an absolute joke. Crawford fought guys who were toward the end of their careers for their belts. The champs Inoue dominated went on to become champions after Inoue vacated his belts. Inoue put guys on the canvas who had never been put on the canvas ever or since after he fought them. The guy virtually never loses a round, and would have a 100% KO rate if it weren't for hand injuries and a corrupt referee (Donaire rd 11). Sad how the lower divisions get dissed for being small. Usyk is great...for a heavyweight. Heavyweights are all so slow, with virtually all having sloppy technique, crappy accuracy, little to no footwork, and low stamina that I personally laugh whenever I see anyone having a heavyweight in top 1/2. He's at best #4, and that's already being pretty generous. Fury isn't even on my top20, so it means nothing to me if Usyk beats him. But people love watching giants fight, I guess.
Hey thank you for dropping by and providing your feedback and ranking for your Top 10 it was really interesting to hear your top picks. I actually agree with a lot of your picks and assessment. I found it really hard to chose between Crawford, Inoue, Bivol, Beterbiev, and Usyk. My original ranking had Crawford at #1 and Inoue at #2 but I redid the list a second time and this is how it turned out on the given day. It changes for me each month it seems. First touching on your topic with Beterbiev seems a little projected and sensitive. I didn't want to really put Beterbiev at #1, his boxing isn't overly fashionable to look at and at times he seems vulnerable, being knocked down by Adam Deins. However, yes he is extremely dominant and the names on his resume are just as good as Crawford and Inoue or maybe better. Beating Tavoris Cloud back in 2014 is extremely significant on his record (Cloud was in the ring with Hopkins and Adonis Stevenson) and Beterbiev pretty much retired him. Gvozdyk was also lining up to be undisputed Champion besides Bivol. I'm sorry but Light Heavyweight division is much tougher than Inoue's division. It just is, guys move fast, they're talented in soviet style, and they just hit that much harder than anybody in the lower weight classes. I'm actually not even a huge fan of Beterbiev at all. I much prefer watching Lomachenko, Usyk, Golovkin, Janibk, and Bivol for Eastern Fighters. But you have to recognize dominance over an 11 year career, on top of a stellar amateur record of over 200 fights with 100% ratio at Light Heavyweight is just sheer Grimm reaper type power, punch volume, and stamina. I'm sorry but I will disagree with you and stand on my statement of picking him number one for this week, but it will most likely change next week to have Inoue at #1 and Crawford #2 lol so that I can agree with you on. The thing about Beterbiev that separates him from the other top picks is that when he beats people they pretty much exit boxing and they question their entire existence in the sport in the first place, that's how hard he hits. He made Gvozdyk retire, Tavoris Cloud, Marcus Browne, and Callum Smith all hang it up. Nobody else is really doing that in boxing and that is saying something. Even my former boxing coach who is not a fan of Eastern fighters said many many years ago that Beterbiev is one of the very best in the sport. Getting into a ring with that guy is like kissing the express train. Have you ever been in the ring before? Getting hit by power punchers is not fun at all. Now imagine Beterbiev hitting you. That’s a whole different dimension of abuse that is unfathomable by most normal citizens. I agree Inoue is one of the most talented in the whole sport and I could easily pick him over Crawford, Beterbiev, Usyk, and Bivol too. His dominance in every fight shows with round scoring, his +/- ratio, and his KO power are all attributes of dominance and exceptional boxing skill and Ring IQ. The Maloney win on his record is a really good one and a lot of other fighters went on to be champions like Rodriguez and others. The fact that Inoue has extreme punching power for a man his size and that he is a 4 division Champion as well as the only other boxer to be Undisputed in two different weight classes are the primary reasons I wanted to put him at #1 over Crawford and Beterbiev. Usyk is probably one of the most talented Heavyweights to ever come along in the division. I agree that most heavyweights are sloppy, with terrible footwork and eye hand coordination. However there have been quite a few over the years with both attributes to power and technique that we all know. Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Holyfield, Klitschko’s, etc, so it is not defunct of athleticism and technique like you claim. Usyk is just that good and a 6’9” Tyson Fury is standing in his way who I wouldn’t exactly rank as phenomenal but keep in mind he’s in contention for being Undisputed too. Personally I feel the most naturally talented athletic fighters of the list are Bivol, Lomachenko, Inoue, Crawford. My common gripe with the boxing community in the West is that they’re not that educated on the Eastern Soviet style and everybody over here is just getting a glimpse of it now. Our people have been fighting over there in the streets of Russia since the 16th century in mass coordinated street fights of up to 700 people. Our fighting has been in our blood since before Queensberry rules hit England and our Soviet Style was not allowed to compete with Western Pro boxing until 1991. Now you’re getting a glimpse of it for the first time and a lot of people are getting upset because they see the sport changing. I’m nearly convinced the history books of boxing would look a whole lot different if these men from the East were allowed to compete in Pro boxing since the 1950s. I’m also glad that fighters from Japan like Inoue can come into the sport and dominate.
Definition of skill in boxing should be based on 2 variables : agility in avading being hit and ability to create conditions for deliverimg a decisive punch not by running away from opponents the good part of a bout but by accepting a fight ( I understand that there's no way of of not stepping back when there's a volley of several punches but when a boxer steps back 90% of a bout is no good ). According to these criteria such boxers as M. Ali, Usick, Btr or Canelo can't be considered to be at the top of rankings at their times. M.Tyson of 1986-87 ( when his coach was Rooney ) or Mayweather ( when he didn't step back e.g. fight with Canelo ) are the epitomy of this logic
That is a very good breakdown and philosophical analysis of what a winning fighter can have attributes of. I would tend to mostly agree with that, it's called "Effective Aggression" when coming forth and if not scoring points or inflicting punishment, they are still forcing the fighter where they want and dictating the Ring Generalship. However, in modern day boxing there are 4 or 5 primary styles: American Philly Shell, American Conventional, Mexican, Cuban, Soviet. 3 of these styles all have attributes of excellent counter punching working off the back foot which includes American shell, Cuban, and Soviet. The Russians came over to train the Cubans their fundamentals in the 80s. As we all know Mayweather and Ali were the best at fighting off the back foot and still scoring points and inflicting punishment. However, those are only two fighters over the history of boxing who have been able to effectively implement that strategy and make it easier to score the fight in their favor. I think too many American fighters are trying to follow in the footsteps of Mayweather and it just isn't working for them as well. I agree with you, coming forward in most cases with effective aggression is the fighter that should be able to sway the judges. I enjoy watching the come forward fighters like Lomachenko, Beterbiev, GGG, Bivol, Usyk, Canelo, Crawford, Inoue, Janibek, Madrimov, etc..
@@jahkoz You can add one more style : call it F.Bothaway of C.Smithway when a boxer fights the best in the division despite not being at a level to fight superior champions and thus makes himself a name ( for me such boxers are a joke rather ). C.Smith is now enjoying a nearhero status among brits after he took on formidable Btr ( Yarde also came to fame in England after 'going toe-to-toe with Btr for 7 rounds ) . But Botha is at the top of a newly introduced style: being annihilated by Tyson, Lewis and Parker - what a joke ! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
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LOL, Amen brother 🙏 Regardless of what people think in boxing skill for Top 10 P4P, this guy is 100% the Grimm Reaper of the sport ☠. I've counted that he's retired 4 high level boxers from the sport now. Nobody else is doing that.
Yes sir 💪🥇☝️♥️
Beterbiev's okay, but calling him the most dominant when he's only fought 20 fights, and has only fought in one division is really too much... Can you not exaggerate his dominance just because you're the president of his fanclub, please?
Calling Inoue's resume suspect while not mentioning how weak Crawford's is, and downplaying Spence (which I agree with, Spence is overrated AF) is an absolute joke. Crawford fought guys who were toward the end of their careers for their belts. The champs Inoue dominated went on to become champions after Inoue vacated his belts. Inoue put guys on the canvas who had never been put on the canvas ever or since after he fought them. The guy virtually never loses a round, and would have a 100% KO rate if it weren't for hand injuries and a corrupt referee (Donaire rd 11). Sad how the lower divisions get dissed for being small.
Usyk is great...for a heavyweight. Heavyweights are all so slow, with virtually all having sloppy technique, crappy accuracy, little to no footwork, and low stamina that I personally laugh whenever I see anyone having a heavyweight in top 1/2. He's at best #4, and that's already being pretty generous. Fury isn't even on my top20, so it means nothing to me if Usyk beats him. But people love watching giants fight, I guess.
Hey thank you for dropping by and providing your feedback and ranking for your Top 10 it was really interesting to hear your top picks. I actually agree with a lot of your picks and assessment. I found it really hard to chose between Crawford, Inoue, Bivol, Beterbiev, and Usyk. My original ranking had Crawford at #1 and Inoue at #2 but I redid the list a second time and this is how it turned out on the given day. It changes for me each month it seems.
First touching on your topic with Beterbiev seems a little projected and sensitive. I didn't want to really put Beterbiev at #1, his boxing isn't overly fashionable to look at and at times he seems vulnerable, being knocked down by Adam Deins. However, yes he is extremely dominant and the names on his resume are just as good as Crawford and Inoue or maybe better. Beating Tavoris Cloud back in 2014 is extremely significant on his record (Cloud was in the ring with Hopkins and Adonis Stevenson) and Beterbiev pretty much retired him. Gvozdyk was also lining up to be undisputed Champion besides Bivol. I'm sorry but Light Heavyweight division is much tougher than Inoue's division. It just is, guys move fast, they're talented in soviet style, and they just hit that much harder than anybody in the lower weight classes. I'm actually not even a huge fan of Beterbiev at all. I much prefer watching Lomachenko, Usyk, Golovkin, Janibk, and Bivol for Eastern Fighters. But you have to recognize dominance over an 11 year career, on top of a stellar amateur record of over 200 fights with 100% ratio at Light Heavyweight is just sheer Grimm reaper type power, punch volume, and stamina.
I'm sorry but I will disagree with you and stand on my statement of picking him number one for this week, but it will most likely change next week to have Inoue at #1 and Crawford #2 lol so that I can agree with you on.
The thing about Beterbiev that separates him from the other top picks is that when he beats people they pretty much exit boxing and they question their entire existence in the sport in the first place, that's how hard he hits. He made Gvozdyk retire, Tavoris Cloud, Marcus Browne, and Callum Smith all hang it up. Nobody else is really doing that in boxing and that is saying something.
Even my former boxing coach who is not a fan of Eastern fighters said many many years ago that Beterbiev is one of the very best in the sport. Getting into a ring with that guy is like kissing the express train.
Have you ever been in the ring before? Getting hit by power punchers is not fun at all. Now imagine Beterbiev hitting you.
That’s a whole different dimension of abuse that is unfathomable by most normal citizens.
I agree Inoue is one of the most talented in the whole sport and I could easily pick him over Crawford, Beterbiev, Usyk, and Bivol too. His dominance in every fight shows with round scoring, his +/- ratio, and his KO power are all attributes of dominance and exceptional boxing skill and Ring IQ. The Maloney win on his record is a really good one and a lot of other fighters went on to be champions like Rodriguez and others. The fact that Inoue has extreme punching power for a man his size and that he is a 4 division Champion as well as the only other boxer to be Undisputed in two different weight classes are the primary reasons I wanted to put him at #1 over Crawford and Beterbiev.
Usyk is probably one of the most talented Heavyweights to ever come along in the division.
I agree that most heavyweights are sloppy, with terrible footwork and eye hand coordination. However there have been quite a few over the years with both attributes to power and technique that we all know. Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Holyfield, Klitschko’s, etc, so it is not defunct of athleticism and technique like you claim.
Usyk is just that good and a 6’9” Tyson Fury is standing in his way who I wouldn’t exactly rank as phenomenal but keep in mind he’s in contention for being Undisputed too.
Personally I feel the most naturally talented athletic fighters of the list are Bivol, Lomachenko, Inoue, Crawford.
My common gripe with the boxing community in the West is that they’re not that educated on the Eastern Soviet style and everybody over here is just getting a glimpse of it now.
Our people have been fighting over there in the streets of Russia since the 16th century in mass coordinated street fights of up to 700 people. Our fighting has been in our blood since before Queensberry rules hit England and our Soviet Style was not allowed to compete with Western Pro boxing until 1991. Now you’re getting a glimpse of it for the first time and a lot of people are getting upset because they see the sport changing.
I’m nearly convinced the history books of boxing would look a whole lot different if these men from the East were allowed to compete in Pro boxing since the 1950s.
I’m also glad that fighters from Japan like Inoue can come into the sport and dominate.
Definition of skill in boxing should be based on 2 variables : agility in avading being hit and ability to create conditions for deliverimg a decisive punch not by running away from opponents the good part of a bout but by accepting a fight ( I understand that there's no way of of not stepping back when there's a volley of several punches but when a boxer steps back 90% of a bout is no good ). According to these criteria such boxers as M. Ali, Usick, Btr or Canelo can't be considered to be at the top of rankings at their times. M.Tyson of 1986-87 ( when his coach was Rooney ) or Mayweather ( when he didn't step back e.g. fight with Canelo ) are the epitomy of this logic
That is a very good breakdown and philosophical analysis of what a winning fighter can have attributes of. I would tend to mostly agree with that, it's called "Effective Aggression" when coming forth and if not scoring points or inflicting punishment, they are still forcing the fighter where they want and dictating the Ring Generalship. However, in modern day boxing there are 4 or 5 primary styles: American Philly Shell, American Conventional, Mexican, Cuban, Soviet. 3 of these styles all have attributes of excellent counter punching working off the back foot which includes American shell, Cuban, and Soviet. The Russians came over to train the Cubans their fundamentals in the 80s. As we all know Mayweather and Ali were the best at fighting off the back foot and still scoring points and inflicting punishment. However, those are only two fighters over the history of boxing who have been able to effectively implement that strategy and make it easier to score the fight in their favor. I think too many American fighters are trying to follow in the footsteps of Mayweather and it just isn't working for them as well.
I agree with you, coming forward in most cases with effective aggression is the fighter that should be able to sway the judges. I enjoy watching the come forward fighters like Lomachenko, Beterbiev, GGG, Bivol, Usyk, Canelo, Crawford, Inoue, Janibek, Madrimov, etc..
@@jahkoz You can add one more style : call it F.Bothaway of C.Smithway when a boxer fights the best in the division despite not being at a level to fight superior champions and thus makes himself a name ( for me such boxers are a joke rather ). C.Smith is now enjoying a nearhero status among brits after he took on formidable Btr ( Yarde also came to fame in England after 'going toe-to-toe with Btr for 7 rounds ) . But Botha is at the top of a newly introduced style: being annihilated by Tyson, Lewis and Parker - what a joke ! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
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Finally someone is saying these things aloud. Thanks!👍🏻
Indeed, there is a famous quote by Orwell which holds true to today's modern hysteria:
“In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” as well as
"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
i cannot believe someone put beterbiev#1. finally, someone see the light....
LOL, Amen brother 🙏
Regardless of what people think in boxing skill for Top 10 P4P, this guy is 100% the Grimm Reaper of the sport ☠. I've counted that he's retired 4 high level boxers from the sport now. Nobody else is doing that.