Ep. 77 - FAQs with John Suhr and Dave! Common Questions and Ones That Drive Them Crazy!
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Ep. 77 - FAQs with John Suhr and Dave! Common Questions and Ones That Drive Them Crazy! - Розваги
John Suhr best guest ever. Would love to hear John and Tom Anderson swap stories on here.
Make it happen!
Metlupass2 We have invited Tom on the show. He declined twice
@@tone-talk What the heck? Maybe John can convince him.
Metlupass2 it’s okay. I talked to Tom at Namm and he didn’t feel comfortable doing it. Some people aren’t into the whole internet video thing.
@@tone-talk too bad. He's got some great vai and evh stories
Rudy Pensa
2:26:20 - i've been setting up guitars for 30+ years. john's "$100 setup" is pure gold. this episode was great but i think that bit should be broken out to it's own video or john should make one on the suhr channel - this is the best guitar setup advice i've EVER seen on youtube (& i've seen a lot!)
steevkelly Thank you for this comment! We are doing exactly as you suggest and posting that as a separate video. Will go up today. Thank you for the idea!
John Suhr sometimes takes a little to get his personality but once you do he is just a great wealth of information and a great ambassador to the instrument. Thanks for the show
Listening to John talk makes me want to own a Suhr guitar. And I've never even played one yet.
I'm lucky enough to own 3 - they are awesome. Tastes vary obviously, but one thing with Suhr is the very consistent high quality, which you'd expect at that price, but they nail it.
I've played 3 or 4 Suhr Moderns and they were fantastic. The price tag is way out of my budget and if Im being honest with myself my skill level. If I was someone that could play like Andy Wood or Ben Eller I would have several. But as a bedroom guitarists with basic skill it would be like owning a Ferrari with only a learners permit and can only drive on a dirt road.
Ethan Heselschwerdt they really are as good as people say. I would add that people whom coo over fender really need to try a Suhr ! They are really missing out. I played a classic pro dealer select one from Peach recently. Blew me away
He’s a really cool nice guy
Ethan, I had the same reaction after listening to a Tone-talk with John a couple years ago. No Suhr dealers in Seattle, but I was able to try out a local guy's Suhr S-type I had chatted with on the GearPage, and ended up buying a new 2017 Classic Pro S (online) from that experience. Have enjoyed it ever since.
Brilliant, I can't believe we are getting a full setup tip toolbox from Mr Suhr! Thanks guys.
2:26:45 John Suhr guitar setup tips
Brass nuts don't wear
Check neck relief: Fret Low E string at 1st and 19th frets, then tap over the 9th fret to check the neck releif, which should be .001 to .005" (half the thickness of your high E string). You can hear the string tapping down to the fret as you check across each string.
Check nut slot height: Fret 3rd fret, then tap first fret to check that there is .001" gap. Also, if you can see the 12 fret to string gap changing when fretting at the first fret, your nut is cut too high.
Check nut slot width: Lift strings straight up out of nut slots to check for any pinching. There should be no binding between the string and the nut slot.
Check bridge saddle height: Capo first fret, then set gap between string bottoms and 22 fret to 1/16" (using a ruler). Adjust slightly to taste.
Adjust pickup heights: Raise bridge pickup as much as possible. Lower neck pickup. High E magnets closer to strings than low E magnets on both pickups. Note: the neck pickup looks to be slightly lower than the fretboard. See photo on Suhr site (scroll down): www.suhr.com/instruments-2017/modern/suhr-modern-pro/
Note: neck pickup being too high will negatively affect intonation.
Set intonation: comparing 3rd fret G to 15th fret G (do not use open strings).
Note: CNC cut fret slots have more accurate intonation than Gang saw fret slotters.
Seriously the best show out there for guitarists. John is a top guy - love his products and Marc and Dave keep it fun....I need a Friedman amp soon!! Keep up the quality guys, love it!
Thanks!!!
you probably dont care at all but does anyone know a tool to get back into an Instagram account..?
I stupidly lost the account password. I love any assistance you can give me
@Hezekiah Abdiel instablaster :)
John is an amazing builder. I love his standard and modern guitars. They are really the best guitars I have ever owned. I have never owned better playing and sounding guitars that play in tune anywhere on the neck right out of the box.
These episodes with John Suhr are the best 👍👍 🤘
John Suhr sounds like a really great person. Very nice. Stayed away from making controversial disrespectful comments about others in the industry which I think is a good idea when makign public statements. And he provided great information. I listened to the tips on setting up the guitars and I do all of what he said when I setup guitars for guitar player friends of mine. Although I always measure the relief and set it for .008 to .010 just because it is more accurate for me to always measure with a feeler gauge than to sight it out. And I also use fretted notes to adjust the intonation up and down the fret board. Using the open string and 12th fret to get close and then other strings to micro adjust. Thanks again for hosting this series.
Dave and John, two of the best in the business sharing their knowledge, just because they love to talk all things guitars - thanks guys!!
John Suhr, the smartest guy in Rock music.
I 100% agree with him about modelers vs real amps at 42:30. I ended up selling my Kemper and going back to "real amps" because they just simply sound and more importantly FEEL better and more responsive. Before I sold my Kemper I A/B'd it with my Friedman Dirty Shirley and the Kemper DEFINITELY doesn't feel like the DS and doesn't respond the same when controlling the volume knob on the guitar which those amps are basically made for. The Kemper doesn't sound "bad" but it just didn't inspire me, especially when I was writing by myself in the room. In a live/band setting it matters a lot less and the convenience of the Kemper is quite nice, but for me personally, I went back to using "real" amps.
2 Of The Best/Stellar Minds In The Business, Proud To Have Them
SweetWater, #1 Store in The USA For Gear, My Go To For Pricing or Research
So much education here, I feel like John and Dave just leveled me up several times. Love the devotion to craft. Gratitude to great builders and thanks for the knowledge
Greatest guest IMO...hope we get more of these. Episode 100
Really awesome show guys!!! Thanks!
Great show... thanks!
Great show guys!
Many thanks Marc, Dave, and John! I always learn a lot.
Great show. Thanks so much to all. John and Dave always have useful info and insights.
Brilliant insight, I wish I had access to this level of knowledge when I started out. Intelligent and fun - thanks guys 👏👏
Another fantastic episode. THANK YOU for bringing the info to the masses. Just found your show this year. Great, great stuff!
Glad you enjoy it!
Super job guys! Thanks for the show, love from India.
Great episode!
Another fantastic show... You guys have to have John on again. Love the stories and his enthusiasm for the instruments and music.
Guitar AND Amp nerds!! I love it!
1:29:00 John's line about the PRS MT15 is... brutal !
Is there some sort of back story with PRS and Suhr? Seemed kinda petty.
@@chiricm PRS is just known as sort of a dork/nerd in the guitar business.
Excellent show cheers 👌✌️
Wonderful show! John & Dave are some of the very best builders in the industry with decades of experience and knowledge, "Highest Respect" incredible instruments and Thank You Marc!!!
What a great episode this was. John's setup discussion was excellent.
Very interesting. Thank you very much! 🎙
Thanks for listening
Marc, you are the host of the most exquisite guitar podcast (videoblog, is it? :)) Watching John Suhr and Dave Friedman discussing stuff is just.. priceless. One can't ask for more, really
Thank you so much! I’m lucky
Great show, wish was not in the middle of the night here in Netherlands... so many questions still!!
Cool interview. Thank you so much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I could listen to these guys all day.
This was fantastic! My vote for a pt. 4 with John ;) 🤘🏻
I've loved every second of this episode. Well done all!
Thanks Greg! I just looked back and what the hell was I doing with my hat? I look ridiculous lol 😂
@@tone-talk you are so knowledgeable as well as Dave and John and a great moderator too. Keeps me company at work all day!
@@marramusic thanks so much Greg!!!
I love watching the episodes with John Suhr. Every episode gets down to sharing technical and practical understanding of gear, especially many myths that people don't understand or don't have the opportunity or find resources to study.
Thanks to this show, I bought a copy of the amp history book with Friedman and some others. Seemed like it was running out but managed to grab one. Merry christmas guys!
Thank you very much for the set up info John!!! I have an Andy Wood Whiskey Barrel that I messed the action up on and it sounded and played the best right out of the box so I will set it back to y’all’s factory specs. Killer guitar by the way. Suhr’s necks and fret work are amazing.
Not understanding the big picture of manufacturing... I've always thought it would be awesome "if" there was a coalition of US music manufacturers that set up a conglomerate and made tubes that they could use for amps that we would buy. Love the show and always happy to see John as a guest.
It's often that people who know enough and are into it are too busy with all their business to deep dive into that stuff, or don't have the right contacts/funding. Like imagine running a music gear business and then troubleshooting outdated manufacturing processes that need to hit certain tolerances and reliability for tons of customers.
It's not impossible at all, but it's more often than not more demanding and less profitable than you'd like with your time and money.
Johns a great interview 👍🏻
I have two guitars and every other guitar I try just sucks by comparison. #1 is a 1994 Parker Fly. Magnificent instrument, nothing like it. It's so damn easy to play, the action is ridiculous.
#2 is Suhr Modern Satin. I spend most of my time on the Suhr... it's an amazing instrument. The setup was way wrong for me when I got it, but having spent about 5 years with it now, it's a blast to play. And this is Suhr's "discount" model, I think! I love it.
Johns straightforward, no bullshit personality comes through in his guitars: They are very serious, high performance instruments. Daves amps are similar, they are so fun and laid back, yet precise and original. They make a very interesting combo.
John is an amp and guitar genius👏😎👏😎
Thanks for the 100 $ set up advice
Thanks Marc
Thanks Dave
You bet!
A bucketlist amp for me is probably the 61 Bandmaster in blonde/oxblood with the matching cabinet. One of the best amps I have ever played.
2:08:46 Thank you so much! I’ve been wanting to switch to Mogami from George L’s for a while.
Best Guitar set up beginning @2:27:00
i will now check my intonation like that, Suhr definitely make a good point
Great show fellas! Love all the gear you guys represent. I use a number of these items and almost exclusively use Suhrs. Custom pro strat and tele from Humbucker music.
Although the stories are great, and keep em coming, it is also nice to have all gear talk night. Kudos.
As always JD
John_drew_jd
Production manager Caesars
Touring musician and hired gun
John Suhr is perfect for this podcast 👌
What a show !!......so interesting ,.........thanks guys !............any chance of having Greg Germino some day ?
Maybe one day!
Punished by questions.
🤣🤣😂😂
Regarding the reactive loads, it makes me wonder if my Weber Mass lands in their "safe to use" bucket. The Weber has been out for ages and I use their Mass 200 for a couple amps. The amps aren't cranked (maybe 25 to 50% volume), but I have it for an old 2-channel Mesa Tremoverb and black face Bassman and I don't want to hurt those amps.
2 legends right there! Love to see more suhr amp users they are just as good as friedman better even in some ways but sometimes personal preference comes to play but more people really need to try other brands. Friedman still make great amps and if they work for you great keep using them \m/ keep up the good work fellas
fyi, extension speaker output on Traynor Custom Special (model YBA-3) amp, made from the late 60s and 70s, is wired in series with speaker output. Don't know if they ever changed that to parallel in later versions, schematic dated from Jan 13, 1967, shows series speaker connection.
Great show, lots of useful info. It was great to hear my old buddy Randall Aiken mentioned. What a super good guy that did so much for the AX84 project when we started.
Faux-tique! I love it
Yes,live effects....phaser octave distortion,wah,which is what Hendrix used,figure that,I still think that his Bog sound is the end of it all
YES! Dave make a rack preamp!
I would like to know if these is any benefit as far as sound quality, tube saturation etc. running a Marshall 100w head or other amp set to 4 ohms into a 4 ohm speaker cabinet rather than the typical 16 ohm load.
Is there anywhere I can get more info on which load boxes are safe to use with my BE50d?
Great episode guys! Curious to know more about this 500 dollar PAF video? 😂
After years I’ve realized the thing that has the biggest effect on amp tone for me is where my ears are in relation to the speaker. I could love an amp when standing next to the cab on the ground then hate it when sitting next to the cab
2:40:38 -- Connecting the Suhr - Reactive Load - Line Out cable
I’m shocked no one knew that Doug Sewell is PRS’ amp designer. He’s a PRS employee and has been for maybe 10 years now.
They didn't seem interested in talking about PRS 🤔
I wonder if John is referring to the Two Notes Captor at 11:00 minutes in? Wish I knew. I have a feeling he is and now I'm questioning using mine.
Just be careful cranking vintage amps.
These shows are like having Leo and Jim in real-time ! Amazing show, but Marc never tell a guitar player to turn up 😂... sorry Marc! Nice collection back there
Rock on!
Is there anyway to send midi to my pt100 from the pt100 footswitch and a old version ground control at the same time. Basically using the pt footswitch as IA switch for the channels and boost within a patch controlled from the voodoo ground control. Some sort of midi merge product possibly?
Not sure, would you like us to ask John?
Is there a part 2 yet?
What were the Books that Bradshaw had told John Suhr to purchase & make sure he read back in the day?
People say 6L6's/5881's sound bad? Tell that to the Dirty Shirley... lol
Which variac is suggested? How many amps?
This was cool to listen back on. Be interested to know what circuit the blackface bassman Dave owns is.
Cloned of Dave's would be the Friedman stuff in the Helix.
And the ceriatone stuff
Funny that the Harley Benson copy of PTs Suhr guitar was not mentioned by John. The question seemed to imply that. It was the elephant in the room. Maybe John didn't want to talk about it...
Big hairy guitars did it proper (the twin sister)
Ha, here's a pro tip for Mr Suhr, the best thing for killing ants is Mrs. Meyers Multi Surface cleaner, kills them instantly, smells great and cleans the surface at the same time.
Hey guys im very sorry for the badd comment I left on the rette shull vid I been going thru some really awful stuff my brother shot and killed my cousin right in front of me that same week and too much emotion and anger happened ,so I was watching your show and was mad about everything going on and the mask thing for some stupid reason triggered me to hate on you for no apparent reason and I'm very sorry to lash out on you the way I did I'll always keep subscribing to your channel best wishes.
Best wishes
Still alive ! :)
Anteater would be a cool name for an amp lol
Marc how do you like the kruze head
Hey Paul, I don't have the Kruze head. Which one do you mean?
My bad the white one in the middle
@@pauldeatherage6112 it’s a Friedman BE100 in white
Did Dave steal Pete's hair?
Its a 150 dollars in ky
Does anybody know what are the reactive loads he was mentioning as dangerous and not real reactive loads?
@21:00- and what happened?? hahah
running it 'dimed'. can someone please enlighten me?
Chris Davies on 10
100% correct about the One Spot wall warts. Noisy garbage!
Did they make the amp testing / shop burning comment before it actually happened ? ..........
Really? show me the time stamp. Otherwise, of course not.
@@tone-talk Not really but a curious coincidence, doesn't hurt to lighten things up.
21:08 aged well lol
I believe that those cheap double-action truss-rods with aluminum bar and steel rod are responsible for the sound loss. They fluctuates greatly with minor temperature changes, and so is the neck. So the neck just absorbs the string energy quicker (less sustain).
Plus they never stand still - you got to adjust it every f@ckin week.
Vintage style single action steel truss rod (basicaly big long bolt) - never had a problem with them, especially on necks with glued-on fingerboards - rock solid.
I dont know about the tone aspect but I tried explaining this to a Facebook charvel group since 2016 they switched from a SOLID quarter sawn maple neck with the truss rod at the body end (remove the neck to adjust) to a 2 pc flat sawn maple neck with The truss rod thumb wheel. It NEVER stops moving vs the quarter sawn maple never moves. Even my Peavey wolfgang standard moves frequently. Same thing 2 pc with thumb wheel truss rod
The vintage style single rod is best as far as I'm concerned. If you think about it, this type of truss rod interplays with the force of the strings creating more vibration. The two action truss rods adds an extra active force with the second piece of metal to stabilise the neck. This would in theory have exactly the deadening effect that John describes in the video.
It's a question of it it isn't broken don't fix it. The vintage truss rod design is fine. How often do you ever need to correct a neck that is bowed back? But, if you are fitting the double action rod behind a fretboard, it's easier to fit it and hence cheaper. All my guitars have the vintage style rods and no major issues.
John picking all his own amps as his dream amps is a hard flex lmao love your stuff but how could you leave that Super, Deluxe & JR unplayed man!
Variac Comments 1:35
Hey Dave, I just wanted to say that nothing sucks more than to buy an amp brand new after seeing a picture of it, and I am talking about the pt20, I bought it under the assumption that it was point to point wiring because they used to be but evidently somewhere along the line they changed it. Well I didn't know that until I took the chassis out because I got into an argument with a friend who told me it wasn't point to point. Guess whose ass was the blackest. I was very disappointed when I opened it up. Had I known that, I would not have bought it. I might have bought the runt. It's all nice and tighty but boy did it make me look stupid. You should clear that up in your advertising because that's very disappointing. Is the 20 watt dirty shirley wired the same way as the pt20?
Randy Pringle well it is hand wired. All pots and all sockets are hand wired like they always were.. the board is done to mimic a turret board. All our hand wired amps are done the same way. Wires run straight to the parts.. only traces are for high voltage. Effectively exactly the same as a turret board with less inconsistency.
@@FriedmanAmplification thanks for the quick response. The amp does kick ass, it just made me look stupid. I definitely seen a picture in a magazine of the chassis and it was point to point. I just didn't know you changed it. Thanks
@@erpringle Very, very few amp makers do true PTP these days. The only 2 I've seen that I own are a Bad Cat Black Cat 30R with Matchless labeled parts and a Benson Chimera. I'm sure there are more, but the vast majority of handwired amps use turret boards. But just because it's a turret board doesn't make it any less "handwired".
So I guess he's trying to say the Two Notes boxes are dangerous
He didn't say that..
how can suhr talk about fender leaning on his designs? thats hilarious!! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
21:05 uhm
U shaped curve
and you’re to blame
Darlin’ you give reactive loads a bad name