I only found your channel just now. As a 48 year old/young practioner of Kyokushinkai I'm having difficulties implementing kata movements in bunkai. This helped out so much!
bunkai It's very impressive in a real-life situation it all depends on how you use it and how you practice with food and how it can save your life it all depends on a technique that how useful in these when you're studying in karate it's all about the balance in a technique 🥋☯️🙏😌🙏☯️🥋
Truth vs Tradition? Kata is Karate ~ Karate is Kata NERDS' Guide to Understanding Kata ... Some contemporary researchers, familiar with the functional nature and insights of my HAPV-Theory, tend to appreciate and support its untold historical simplicity; i.e. That these collective, and Chinese-based, solo-routines, representing something greater than the sum total of their individual parts, evolved through a lengthy empirical synthesis, and ultimately became known as Kata, in Japanese. Sadly, there is widespread misunderstanding about this tradition. I firmly believe that such solo-routines, were never originally meant to teach the fighting art itself, but rather, culminate the functional application lessons, initially transmitted in 2-person scenario-driven progenitor practices. In my opinion, the 2-person practices, “ARE,” the fighting art! ----------- I have found three general mindsets with regards to kata: #1. The “Traditionalist” perspective. #2. The “Revisionist" perspective & #3. The JKD/MMA perspective #1. The “Traditionalist's" perspective - MUST NEVER be changed.... least of all by a lowly Non-Japanese [or non-Okinawan]! #2. The “Revisionist's" perspective … A contemporary reinterpretation of classic tradition [e.g. KU]. #3. The JKD/MMA perspective … A classical mess/worthless practice [i.e. dysfunctional]. ---------------- HAPV-Theory For Nerds: * Identify the HAPV to study and understand its dynamics. * Empirical study to establish tactically functional application strategies. * 2-person drills [using aggressive resistance] to test its veracity. * Create solo mnemonic templates, from the 2-person practices. * Link the mnemonic templates together into geometrical solo routines. I am confident that such logical thinking is far more in line with the original intent, approach, and teachings of the pioneers than is the conformist mentality, which advocates lineage, style, incongruous practices, and form over function. When it comes to better understanding, and explaining, incompetency within this art, I sometimes hear instructors say, “It’s most likely because they have not had the privilege of learning correctly and/or have been misguided!” While I couldn’t agree more with the sentiment, I simultaneously believe that such a comment reflects the inherited naivety associated with PBLS [i.e. Pyramid-Based Learning Structure]… and there are many such beliefs! One such example, is the expression, "San nen no kata," popularised by Karate pioneer, Funakoshi Gichin; In an effort to satisfy learners, who sought to better understand the nature and application of kata, he cited the expression [三年の型], which translates into something like, “Three years [with/on] one kata." The term is meant to emphasise, patience, when studying kata because, if a learner spends, 'Three years studying one kata,’ it's likely that the deepest meanings will become clearly evident.” I’m pretty sure Funakoshi paraphrased a much older Japanese Kotowaza [proverb], to make his point; The older proverb reads; "Ishi no ue nimo san nen” [石の上にも三年], and literally means, “Three years on a rock.” The implication here is something like, ”Anyone who has the patience to sit on a rock for three years can achieve anything they set their mind to.” I believe that Funakoshi intended to conjure up a similar sentiment; i.e. “If you have the patience to spend three years studying one kata you will most certainly discover its [deepest] meaning.” However, beyond its simple tools of percussive impact, the problem I see is expecting learners to arrive at functional competencies, without ever being taught a contextual premise, or possess a formula, to understand the application process. Without this, learners would have had/have no way of ever understanding the inner-workings of the practice. Asking a learner to practice [a/any] kata for three years, with the intention of discovering, "Its Secrets," but without first understanding, the nature of its application context can be likened to asking a math student to learn algebra by osmosis. Expecting a learner to magically understand something, without a framework or a formula to decipher it, is damn near impossible. Paraphrasing Churchill’s famous quote, “Perhaps there is a key to the riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.” In my opinion, using the HAPV-Theory, and its corresponding 2-Person application practices provides just such a formula to be used as, “The Key." Therefore, I believe, this expression [San Nen no Kata] is best served, only if/when the learner understands the contextual premise upon which kata was originally developed [see the HAPV-Theory For Nerds]. Studying the individual acts of physical violence, through the 2-person application process, and for three years, would, in my opinion, most certainly lead to functional competency. Beyond this, any/all functional pathways [i.e. styles] should also condition the body, cultivate the mind and nurture the spirit. As kata is the common thread, which weaves together the very fabric of this art, it makes sense that any functional pathway process should be about empowering infinite possibilities and not impeding progress! "What brings us together is far more important than what separates us." Excerpted from my forthcoming book, "Legend of the Fist" Vol #2 ~ Koryu Uchinadi ~ My Art of Karate 🙇♂️
Dear Patrick McCarthy Sensei, thanks for your comment. A really interesting thought! I tend to fully agree unless I misinterpreted. So to summarize very briefly in my own words: Technical skills are trained by practicing Kata. Fighting skills should be trained in 1-1 partner drills/trainings. This is exactly what we do in the Shotokan as it is taught by Wolf-Dieter Wichmann Sensei. When doing so, we rather concentrate on learning and practicing the right timing and distance rather than doing a lot of advanced techniques. For me personally, this seems to be the more difficult task, i.e. when timing and distance are right, every technique can be applied easily but not vice versa. Therefore, we are doing a lot of standard partner kumite (Gohon, Kihon Ippon, Jiyu Ippon and the like) as well as advanced forms of Okuri or Kaeshi Ippon Kumite. Regarding the Bunkai shown and just for the avoidance of misunderstanding. This type of Bunkai shown here is not our training of fighting skills. It is rather used for beginners (!) in order to get a better understanding of how the exact techniques could be applied and „realistically“ executed. we are fully aware that this not the advanced Bunkai that might have been codified in the Kata (although my personal feeling is that nobody really knows what exactly that was and that some people are currently over-interpreting what could be behind). As there was another discussion recently in Andreas Quast Sensei‘s Karate group on FB, I am currently preparing an intro to further discuss these various „types“ of Bunkai there. Best Christopher PS: I will send you a friend invite there, just that you know who is talking to you ;)
Patrick McCarthy A friend of mine who runs this channel. We are both disciples of Wolf-Dieter who has made the video and is doing the presentation. I am the one who contacted you via Facebook, though. Kind of the spokes person of this Ryu ;)
Sorry, but Wichmann uses the same applications for black belts..., not just for beginners. The statement that these applications are only for beginners does not correspond to the content of his actions and the truth. Evidence can be found in his books. With JKA followers there are tons of concrete pseudo-applications.
So habe ich es im Shotokan leider auch gelernt. Ergibt meiner Meinung nach keinen Sinn und würde in der Praxis nicht funktionieren. In der Kata hat man so gut wie nie mehrere Gegner. Es ist üblicherweise nur einer. Wenn man eine Drehung nach Links macht mit Gedan Barai bedeutet das nicht das man von Links angegriffen wird. Sondern das man am Ende der Technik dort steht.
Aplication of Heian Shodan is more different and more difficult than I see here. Is not possible to use it this way on teh street. Who train Karate good, he can say this way is nonsence.
I wouldn't say the bunkai are difficult. But I agree that this interpretation is flawed. It suffers from a quite common mistake, which is to assume that the actual performance of a technique in combat must mirror exactly the movements of the form. That is, the interpreter takes the kata literally, which leads to strained, impractical interpretations. Take that up the middle series of age uke. Here the interpreter sees them as a combination, an age uke followed by a rising block that is instead a blow to the elbow. However, this is not practical. As Kenwa Mabuni says, you should not interpret a series of movements in the kata as a combination, especially if the interpretation is not practical. Of that series of age uke, he said simply that this in an age uke repeated several times for practice. Often, kata is actually simpler than many practitioners think.
@@haffoc Hello, Yes, you are right, is sure that difficult is to find what techniques in Kata means in the real. The training of principal from kata is not heavy but heavy is to find "key" what exactly techniques from kata means. After more than ten years training of Shotokan almost every day I can say that I am able to "open" application from kata alone, because of what means exactly techniques from kata knows wery little people. Who master shows you good application from kata? Little.....
Hello, we have it same, after ten years training Karate Shotokan every day I can say that I am able to begin open some application. So good luck and you live and train well...
“The meaning of the directions in kata is not well understood, and frequently mistakes are made in the interpretation of kata movements. In extreme cases, it is sometimes heard that "this kata moves in 8 directions so it is designed for fighting 8 opponents" or some such nonsense.” - Sensei Mabuni
Right from the first move, this makes no sense. The practitioner steps toward the first attacker to block the front kick, but it's so far away that it still can't reach his body. The attacker then lands forward, in range to be punched with a small foot adjustment, but the practitioner takes a full step forward anyway. The attacker retreats a full step, which should leave the practitioner's punch out of range, not to mention that it would have almost no power due to her backward motion, but she just falls down anyway. If the sequence being shown is "block a front kick, then counter with a punch", this is not a good way to show it. The attacker should be much closer, so the kick can penetrate the target. The practitioner should be retreating or turning in place, and deflecting the kick so that the attacker stumbles forward. The practitioner's punch should be done in place with a strong stance, so that the attacker falls into it. If Heian Shodan is a good kata, then this bunkai is not correct.
@@TheMisterGuy Heian/Pinan Shodan is a VERY good kata; however, the bunkai in this video are garbage. The main principles behind Heian Shodan are primarily about breaking the opponent’s grips on you, getting a grip on them, and throwing/tripping/sweeping them to the ground. There are some striking applications but they’re (1) meant for MUCH closer range and (2) primarily meant to “soften up” the opponent so you can more easily complete the takedowns. P.S. 75-100% of the techniques in Karate Kata, are actually stand up grappling techniques and takedowns and any strikes in Kata are meant to be done at clinch/grappling range NOT sparring range
@@alexanderren1097 "Heian/Pinan Shodan is a VERY good kata; however, the bunkai in this video are garbage." I agree, that is my point. These bunkai don't even make sense.
Muahahahaha! Ich lasse das Argument der räumlichen Orientierung stehen, aber der Rest ist Kindergarten! Shotokan ist die Vergewaltigung des ursprünglichen Tode...
I think everyone is allowed to have their opinion, but in this case I really wonder what the purpose of the comment is supposed to be. This is obviously an explanation that should help a beginner to build a basic understanding of Heian Shodan. This video is certainly suitable for that!!
I only found your channel just now. As a 48 year old/young practioner of Kyokushinkai I'm having difficulties implementing kata movements in bunkai. This helped out so much!
bunkai It's very impressive in a real-life situation it all depends on how you use it and how you practice with food and how it can save your life it all depends on a technique that how useful in these when you're studying in karate it's all about the balance in a technique 🥋☯️🙏😌🙏☯️🥋
I remember seeing a scenario like this when I first leaned heian Shadoan when I was 11. My crazy imagination come to life is such a treat! 😌
i love karate
iam a shito riyo karate or marsalartist 💞❤💘
Truth vs Tradition?
Kata is Karate ~ Karate is Kata
NERDS' Guide to Understanding Kata ...
Some contemporary researchers, familiar with the functional nature and insights of my HAPV-Theory, tend to appreciate and support its untold historical simplicity; i.e. That these collective, and Chinese-based, solo-routines, representing something greater than the sum total of their individual parts, evolved through a lengthy empirical synthesis, and ultimately became known as Kata, in Japanese.
Sadly, there is widespread misunderstanding about this tradition.
I firmly believe that such solo-routines, were never originally meant to teach the fighting art itself, but rather, culminate the functional application lessons, initially transmitted in 2-person scenario-driven progenitor practices. In my opinion, the 2-person practices, “ARE,” the fighting art!
-----------
I have found three general mindsets with regards to kata:
#1. The “Traditionalist” perspective.
#2. The “Revisionist" perspective &
#3. The JKD/MMA perspective
#1. The “Traditionalist's" perspective - MUST NEVER be changed.... least of all by a lowly Non-Japanese [or non-Okinawan]!
#2. The “Revisionist's" perspective … A contemporary reinterpretation of classic tradition [e.g. KU].
#3. The JKD/MMA perspective … A classical mess/worthless practice [i.e. dysfunctional].
----------------
HAPV-Theory For Nerds:
* Identify the HAPV to study and understand its dynamics.
* Empirical study to establish tactically functional application strategies.
* 2-person drills [using aggressive resistance] to test its veracity.
* Create solo mnemonic templates, from the 2-person practices.
* Link the mnemonic templates together into geometrical solo routines.
I am confident that such logical thinking is far more in line with the original intent, approach, and teachings of the pioneers than is the conformist mentality, which advocates lineage, style, incongruous practices, and form over function.
When it comes to better understanding, and explaining, incompetency within this art, I sometimes hear instructors say, “It’s most likely because they have not had the privilege of learning correctly and/or have been misguided!”
While I couldn’t agree more with the sentiment, I simultaneously believe that such a comment reflects the inherited naivety associated with PBLS [i.e. Pyramid-Based Learning Structure]… and there are many such beliefs! One such example, is the expression, "San nen no kata," popularised by Karate pioneer, Funakoshi Gichin; In an effort to satisfy learners, who sought to better understand the nature and application of kata, he cited the expression [三年の型], which translates into something like, “Three years [with/on] one kata." The term is meant to emphasise, patience, when studying kata because, if a learner spends, 'Three years studying one kata,’ it's likely that the deepest meanings will become clearly evident.”
I’m pretty sure Funakoshi paraphrased a much older Japanese Kotowaza [proverb], to make his point; The older proverb reads; "Ishi no ue nimo san nen” [石の上にも三年], and literally means, “Three years on a rock.” The implication here is something like, ”Anyone who has the patience to sit on a rock for three years can achieve anything they set their mind to.”
I believe that Funakoshi intended to conjure up a similar sentiment; i.e. “If you have the patience to spend three years studying one kata you will most certainly discover its [deepest] meaning.” However, beyond its simple tools of percussive impact, the problem I see is expecting learners to arrive at functional competencies, without ever being taught a contextual premise, or possess a formula, to understand the application process. Without this, learners would have had/have no way of ever understanding the inner-workings of the practice.
Asking a learner to practice [a/any] kata for three years, with the intention of discovering, "Its Secrets," but without first understanding, the nature of its application context can be likened to asking a math student to learn algebra by osmosis. Expecting a learner to magically understand something, without a framework or a formula to decipher it, is damn near impossible. Paraphrasing Churchill’s famous quote, “Perhaps there is a key to the riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.” In my opinion, using the HAPV-Theory, and its corresponding 2-Person application practices provides just such a formula to be used as, “The Key."
Therefore, I believe, this expression [San Nen no Kata] is best served, only if/when the learner understands the contextual premise upon which kata was originally developed [see the HAPV-Theory For Nerds]. Studying the individual acts of physical violence, through the 2-person application process, and for three years, would, in my opinion, most certainly lead to functional competency. Beyond this, any/all functional pathways [i.e. styles] should also condition the body, cultivate the mind and nurture the spirit.
As kata is the common thread, which weaves together the very fabric of this art, it makes sense that any functional pathway process should be about empowering infinite possibilities and not impeding progress!
"What brings us together is far more important than what separates us."
Excerpted from my forthcoming book, "Legend of the Fist" Vol #2 ~ Koryu Uchinadi ~ My Art of Karate 🙇♂️
Dear Patrick McCarthy Sensei, thanks for your comment. A really interesting thought!
I tend to fully agree unless I misinterpreted. So to summarize very briefly in my own words: Technical skills are trained by practicing Kata. Fighting skills should be trained in 1-1 partner drills/trainings. This is exactly what we do in the Shotokan as it is taught by Wolf-Dieter Wichmann Sensei. When doing so, we rather concentrate on learning and practicing the right timing and distance rather than doing a lot of advanced techniques. For me personally, this seems to be the more difficult task, i.e. when timing and distance are right, every technique can be applied easily but not vice versa. Therefore, we are doing a lot of standard partner kumite (Gohon, Kihon Ippon, Jiyu Ippon and the like) as well as advanced forms of Okuri or Kaeshi Ippon Kumite.
Regarding the Bunkai shown and just for the avoidance of misunderstanding. This type of Bunkai shown here is not our training of fighting skills. It is rather used for beginners (!) in order to get a better understanding of how the exact techniques could be applied and „realistically“ executed. we are fully aware that this not the advanced Bunkai that might have been codified in the Kata (although my personal feeling is that nobody really knows what exactly that was and that some people are currently over-interpreting what could be behind).
As there was another discussion recently in Andreas Quast Sensei‘s Karate group on FB, I am currently preparing an intro to further discuss these various „types“ of Bunkai there.
Best
Christopher
PS: I will send you a friend invite there, just that you know who is talking to you ;)
@@chrisk.3641 Thank you for your reply ... I'm a little confused... please help me. RU the person who posted this video?
Patrick McCarthy A friend of mine who runs this channel. We are both disciples of Wolf-Dieter who has made the video and is doing the presentation. I am the one who contacted you via Facebook, though. Kind of the spokes person of this Ryu ;)
Sorry, but Wichmann uses the same applications for black belts..., not just for beginners. The statement that these applications are only for beginners does not correspond to the content of his actions and the truth. Evidence can be found in his books. With JKA followers there are tons of concrete pseudo-applications.
So habe ich es im Shotokan leider auch gelernt. Ergibt meiner Meinung nach keinen Sinn und würde in der Praxis nicht funktionieren. In der Kata hat man so gut wie nie mehrere Gegner. Es ist üblicherweise nur einer. Wenn man eine Drehung nach Links macht mit Gedan Barai bedeutet das nicht das man von Links angegriffen wird. Sondern das man am Ende der Technik dort steht.
Wonderful!
O kızın çok iyi yapıyor gerçekten
Aplication of Heian Shodan is more different and more difficult than I see here. Is not possible to use it this way on teh street. Who train Karate good, he can say this way is nonsence.
Totally agreeded
I wouldn't say the bunkai are difficult. But I agree that this interpretation is flawed. It suffers from a quite common mistake, which is to assume that the actual performance of a technique in combat must mirror exactly the movements of the form. That is, the interpreter takes the kata literally, which leads to strained, impractical interpretations. Take that up the middle series of age uke. Here the interpreter sees them as a combination, an age uke followed by a rising block that is instead a blow to the elbow. However, this is not practical. As Kenwa Mabuni says, you should not interpret a series of movements in the kata as a combination, especially if the interpretation is not practical. Of that series of age uke, he said simply that this in an age uke repeated several times for practice. Often, kata is actually simpler than many practitioners think.
@@haffoc Hello, Yes, you are right, is sure that difficult is to find what techniques in Kata means in the real. The training of principal from kata is not heavy but heavy is to find "key" what exactly techniques from kata means. After more than ten years training of Shotokan almost every day I can say that I am able to "open" application from kata alone, because of what means exactly techniques from kata knows wery little people. Who master shows you good application from kata? Little.....
Hello, we have it same, after ten years training Karate Shotokan every day I can say that I am able to begin open some application. So good luck and you live and train well...
Best bunkai of heian shodan😍👏👏
"Best bunkai of heian shodan"
These bunkai are terrible and objectively wrong.
Osu...
online KARATE exercises for beginners suitable for those who do not understand about karate
Extraordinary
“The meaning of the directions in kata is not well understood, and frequently mistakes are made in the interpretation of kata movements. In extreme cases, it is sometimes heard that "this kata moves in 8 directions so it is designed for fighting 8 opponents" or some such nonsense.” - Sensei Mabuni
Right from the first move, this makes no sense. The practitioner steps toward the first attacker to block the front kick, but it's so far away that it still can't reach his body. The attacker then lands forward, in range to be punched with a small foot adjustment, but the practitioner takes a full step forward anyway. The attacker retreats a full step, which should leave the practitioner's punch out of range, not to mention that it would have almost no power due to her backward motion, but she just falls down anyway.
If the sequence being shown is "block a front kick, then counter with a punch", this is not a good way to show it. The attacker should be much closer, so the kick can penetrate the target. The practitioner should be retreating or turning in place, and deflecting the kick so that the attacker stumbles forward. The practitioner's punch should be done in place with a strong stance, so that the attacker falls into it.
If Heian Shodan is a good kata, then this bunkai is not correct.
@@TheMisterGuy Heian/Pinan Shodan is a VERY good kata; however, the bunkai in this video are garbage.
The main principles behind Heian Shodan are primarily about breaking the opponent’s grips on you, getting a grip on them, and throwing/tripping/sweeping them to the ground. There are some striking applications but they’re (1) meant for MUCH closer range and (2) primarily meant to “soften up” the opponent so you can more easily complete the takedowns.
P.S. 75-100% of the techniques in Karate Kata, are actually stand up grappling techniques and takedowns and any strikes in Kata are meant to be done at clinch/grappling range NOT sparring range
@@alexanderren1097 "Heian/Pinan Shodan is a VERY good kata; however, the bunkai in this video are garbage."
I agree, that is my point. These bunkai don't even make sense.
@@TheMisterGuy Yes, I was agreeing with you
oss
🙈🙈🙈
Ossss
didnt understood a thing but great vid
Hi Andre, what thing didn´t you understand. May be i can clarify that ... Regards, Olli
Great video.
Oliver Wichmann i think he meant he doesnt understand japanese
@@Fakeabou it was German
Muahahahaha! Ich lasse das Argument der räumlichen Orientierung stehen, aber der Rest ist Kindergarten! Shotokan ist die Vergewaltigung des ursprünglichen Tode...
Dieser Kommentar sagt alles über den Verfasser ... so unendlich viel Weisheit und Konstruktivität!! (IRONIE)
Das liegt nicht am Shotokan sondern am Interpreten!
This is ludicrous nonsense which gives karate a bad name. All the opponents are retreating for no reason and then deliberately falling over.
I think everyone is allowed to have their opinion, but in this case I really wonder what the purpose of the comment is supposed to be. This is obviously an explanation that should help a beginner to build a basic understanding of Heian Shodan. This video is certainly suitable for that!!