“Ukraine doesn’t matter to Trump” - Timothy Garton Ash | On The Record

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  • @rockmusic175
    @rockmusic175 2 дні тому +19

    democracies are only reluctant to act against equally potential powers, they were not reluctant against Iraq, Libya, Syria etc

    • @tomaskinoshta7589
      @tomaskinoshta7589 2 дні тому +6

      FYI: democracies means vassal state of the American Empire

    • @davidwright5094
      @davidwright5094 День тому +1

      @@tomaskinoshta7589 Sorry but I don't detect any "information" in your verbal formulation.

    • @shrine.project
      @shrine.project 23 години тому

      @@davidwright5094 you are way too polite. his comment is actually misinformation.

    • @danielculpepper9258
      @danielculpepper9258 22 години тому

      @@shrine.projecthis comment is spot on! Western countries are de facto oligarchies and not democracies! This is well hidden behind fictitious entities called corporations but it’s been the factual state of affairs for a long time now…

    • @charlesekpima8210
      @charlesekpima8210 18 годин тому

      You know for the truth that the so called democratic countries are just US puppet​@@shrine.project

  • @waynemiller6775
    @waynemiller6775 2 дні тому +22

    Only Trump matters to Trump.

  • @laurencelockwood6209
    @laurencelockwood6209 2 дні тому +24

    If Trump does not help with Ukraine, he should be on his own reference Taiwan

    • @icu17siberia
      @icu17siberia День тому +2

      he knows he his, and Taiwan in no way counts on Europe...actually the other way around

    • @JesterEric
      @JesterEric 23 години тому

      Nobody argues that Taiwan is not part of China. No European country has official diplomatic relations with Taiwan

    • @Zeitgeist_Dron
      @Zeitgeist_Dron 21 годину тому

      The Europeans could in no way help the US in Taiwan

  • @teresaj6374
    @teresaj6374 2 дні тому +37

    It's imperative that Ukraine is supported and strengthened. NATO and the EU must act in the best interests of Europe and Ukraine. Trumps most reliable trait is that he is both disruptive and destabilising. Neither Europe nor the Middle East can afford further destabilisation.

    • @rdsc.455
      @rdsc.455 2 дні тому

      So Middle east can't afford FURTHER destabilisation ?!! With millions of lives lost and continuous death & destruction ?!! What further ??

    • @tomaskinoshta7589
      @tomaskinoshta7589 2 дні тому +1

      support Russia and Isreal.

    • @MarincaGheorghe
      @MarincaGheorghe 2 дні тому

      Just like it's own people support dictator Putin ?​@@tomaskinoshta7589

    • @ossiedunstan4419
      @ossiedunstan4419 2 дні тому

      Why the USA has been involved in nearly every dictatorship starting up since ww2.

    • @clintloranrand951
      @clintloranrand951 23 години тому

      And who destabilize the world? Any ideas?

  • @EyesWideOpen61
    @EyesWideOpen61 2 дні тому +19

    This man is brilliant, some serious wisdom getting dropped here

  • @subhasisjoshi8135
    @subhasisjoshi8135 23 години тому +4

    Democracy..Rules Based Order by West seems like Sarcasm these days

  • @beautifulfouse
    @beautifulfouse 2 дні тому +9

    Trump and many Americans see this all in a Much more Broader View, not paying any attention to Europe's concerns. What we have seen is an overall Reliance on the USA with very little support from within NATO Europe for Europe. This is what we see, it is in fact what I see. But you dont have to worry about Trump withdrawing from NATO, he is to smart to do that, but he will Play some serious Poker Face with you until you do in fact pull your share of the weight. Its truly is that simple, just like Trumps Mind works.

    • @yep3793
      @yep3793 2 дні тому +1

      What a poker face when he simultaneously imposes tariffs and orders to arm itself, which will obviously cause very high internal tensions in European countries

    • @yep3793
      @yep3793 2 дні тому +2

      His best friend is also Orban who is the main brakeman in similar safety issues

    • @icu17siberia
      @icu17siberia День тому +1

      When Europe gets serious about the threat, US will care, but not until there less talk, more action.

  • @thinktwice-me7ie
    @thinktwice-me7ie 2 дні тому +3

    Timothy Garten is an inspiration. Thank you

  • @charlestyser8176
    @charlestyser8176 2 дні тому +26

    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win this war and Ukrainian integration into NATO and the EU is the west’s best self defense.

    • @jefferyshute6641
      @jefferyshute6641 2 дні тому +6

      Absolutely correct!

    • @snodd8377
      @snodd8377 2 дні тому +9

      lol! In your dreams! Come back to reality please!

    • @salieubaikamara5620
      @salieubaikamara5620 2 дні тому

      No one will win a war against Russia, talk less of a non nuclear Ukraine ..

    • @GodwinGodfather
      @GodwinGodfather 2 дні тому +5

      Dreamer

    • @gavindyer2428
      @gavindyer2428 Годину тому

      Agreed,however Ukraine has not got the Manpower to hold off Russia indefinitely. NATO must support Ukraine.

  • @conscious_being
    @conscious_being 2 дні тому +15

    Ukraine doesn't matter, not just to Trump, but for the Europeans as well.
    If the war in Ukraine is existential for European "democracy" and "values", how is it that European countries haven't sent their troops to fight in Ukraine against the Russian aggression? Why only weapons and money? Why not troops as well?

    • @JesterEric
      @JesterEric 23 години тому

      If it's a war for democracy why is Ukraine under martial law and certainly not holding elections?

    • @subhasisjoshi8135
      @subhasisjoshi8135 23 години тому +4

      Democracy..Rules Based Order by West seems like Sarcasm these days

    • @clintloranrand951
      @clintloranrand951 23 години тому

      Ukraine, an oligarchy with utmost 1990s corruption, where most people speak Russian, look Russian, has WHAT?- EUROPEAN VALUES?

    • @danielculpepper9258
      @danielculpepper9258 22 години тому +6

      Because it’s not about democracy and values but about money and power. It’s about selling weapons and geopolitical interests. As far as US/European corporations profiteer, “values” doesn’t matter…

  • @gavindyer2428
    @gavindyer2428 Годину тому

    Excellent analysis. Thank God we have Poland.

  • @rasapezos-p2h
    @rasapezos-p2h День тому +8

    We just need Putin and Trump to get along and for Europe to serve them as it should 😊 Long live Trump and Putin 😊 And then let's see how strong Europe is 😂😂😂

  • @patrickescoe
    @patrickescoe 2 дні тому +9

    Euirope should be building their miliatry but they are sitting around waiting for Trump to change his mind

  • @RichardLady
    @RichardLady 2 дні тому +12

    Trump needs locked up and throw away the keys.

  • @Red.Hot.Chili.Beans63
    @Red.Hot.Chili.Beans63 2 дні тому +9

    If Trump can be made to believe he will be blamed for the loss of Ukraine...that he doesn't have what it takes to WIN, then Ukraine will matter very much him. He values winning more than anything in this world. Figure out how to make him feel like he has to win.

    • @c123-i6n
      @c123-i6n 2 дні тому +1

      That’s not how it works. Trump is a conman who only cares about himself. He’d sell his own family member to the highest bidder.

    • @icu17siberia
      @icu17siberia День тому

      yes, but his view of "winning" may not be the same as Europes. If Europe gives up, Trump wins with his voters. If Europe blames the US, he'll say.."see, I told you....".

    • @c123-i6n
      @c123-i6n День тому

      @ Trump is playing the Russia game. Europe needs to be an ally to America like America was during the world wars to Europe. While Europe hates on US for coming late, US could have played neutral like some countries did and not helped at all. Trump is all for himself and the money. Trump’s backers want division between US and Europe as their governments consider both their enemies. Don’t fall for it, Europe.

    • @alanwatterson2850
      @alanwatterson2850 День тому +2

      Trump does what Putin says.

    • @Red.Hot.Chili.Beans63
      @Red.Hot.Chili.Beans63 День тому

      @@alanwatterson2850 Wow, your DTS hitting hard today Alan.

  • @boloalain4082
    @boloalain4082 2 дні тому +3

    If one wants to describe the true decline off occidental predominance, a careful listening to this broadcast offers a key exemple. It is indeed fascina to listen to a renown scholar talking abt the threat that Putin would constitute for Europe due to his willingness ‘not to stop there (Ukraine)’. While it is a often repeated topic, one can only marvel that such proposition goes unchallenged nor seems to need justification. For once, one could ask: why? How? At which cost?
    Why would a country unable to fill his own land would seek to expand its border west side?
    How would a country which entire military doctrine is based on defending, with a manpower little over 1m personnels which struggle to conquer 18% of Ukraine would suddenly become THE threat of the entire Europe??
    At which cost would Russia try to invade others European countries with population fervently hostile (which is not the case in eastern Ukraine) and members of the NATO treaty, running this the risk of nuclear annihilation?
    Russia has become our bogey man, helping us to unite around our fear tans silence dissent. This is the sign of the decline of occidental intellectualism

  • @markkristopher2552
    @markkristopher2552 2 дні тому +8

    Russia can be destroyed but it will take a unified approach of many nations supporting Ukraine in more ways than just weapons and funding.

    • @margelatu79
      @margelatu79 2 дні тому

      Russia won all the wars against West. Russia is invincible so cope harder!

    • @emmaizu4406
      @emmaizu4406 2 дні тому +4

      Yeah, but when China, North Korea and Iran supports Russia then you all starts crying

    • @koiguidenishikigoi4972
      @koiguidenishikigoi4972 2 дні тому +4

      ​@@emmaizu4406 you forgot India 😅

    • @GodwinGodfather
      @GodwinGodfather 2 дні тому

      How?

    • @Alexander-w9i3r
      @Alexander-w9i3r День тому

      Russia is capable of vaporizing Europe, Uk and US and no power could win even conventional war in Eastern Europe agents Russia.

  • @dempyree7888
    @dempyree7888 2 дні тому +5

    What is the rule-based order?🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

    • @Zeitgeist_Dron
      @Zeitgeist_Dron 21 годину тому +3

      😂 it's whatever the US says on a particular day

    • @dempyree7888
      @dempyree7888 21 годину тому +1

      @Zeitgeist_Dron You're right, that's why nobody knows about it.🤣🤣

    • @charlesekpima8210
      @charlesekpima8210 18 годин тому

      ​@@Zeitgeist_Dron this is the most logical answer to this question

  • @tomaskinoshta7589
    @tomaskinoshta7589 2 дні тому +4

    more bogus propaganda

  • @tiam2155
    @tiam2155 День тому +3

    This is an Europe problems. Someone need to make Europe become a lead not depend someone else.

  • @randyhergenrether6914
    @randyhergenrether6914 2 дні тому +6

    The EU needs to make it clear to Trump that Ukraine winning this war against Russian aggression is important to Trump as a world leader.

    • @GodwinGodfather
      @GodwinGodfather 2 дні тому

      There's no way for Ukraine to win this war without us engaging directly, keep dreaming, they could only hope for a good deal.

    • @icu17siberia
      @icu17siberia День тому +2

      good luck with that as most of the world thinks Europe should finally handle its own affairs

    • @karlharrison2449
      @karlharrison2449 День тому +2

      Ukraine lost a year ago!

    • @Peter-jo6yu
      @Peter-jo6yu 20 годин тому

      ​@@karlharrison2449 And Russia took Kyiv in 3 days. Nice try

    • @NazifNazifovgg
      @NazifNazifovgg 17 годин тому

      ​​@@karlharrison2449and Russia lost the 1st day of the war.

  • @johnfrancisco1851
    @johnfrancisco1851 2 дні тому +4

    Slava Ukraini ❤❤

  • @CM-ey7nq
    @CM-ey7nq 2 дні тому +5

    Love the speech. Europe, which *could* be a bastion of liberal democracy in the world, is busy herding cats. And no, learning from history seems not to be an option.

  • @orcahang21
    @orcahang21 2 дні тому +8

    God 💪 bless 🤜 Ukraine 🇺🇦

    • @karlharrison2449
      @karlharrison2449 День тому +1

      Does that include the NAZIS?

    • @subhasisjoshi8135
      @subhasisjoshi8135 23 години тому +1

      Now sign that treaty..Zelensky already carries a pen😂

    • @shrine.project
      @shrine.project 23 години тому

      @@karlharrison2449 if you are talking about Putin's electoral base, then no.

  • @stephensuddick2557
    @stephensuddick2557 17 годин тому

    It's not imminent until it is.

  • @taunteratwill1787
    @taunteratwill1787 2 дні тому +8

    “Ukraine doesn’t matter to Trump”? That's VERY stupid for a politician because it does matter to most Americans! 😋

  • @beckyperry7752
    @beckyperry7752 2 дні тому +1

    All European leaders SHOULD BE in direct communication with President Biden, in an effort to ensure the continuous success of national security for many years to come.

  • @arlypaulmigueldamuy5221
    @arlypaulmigueldamuy5221 2 дні тому +2

    "Experts' opinions"?????????

  • @mikaelfiil3733
    @mikaelfiil3733 13 годин тому

    From a view of historic causation this interview is simplistic to the extreme.
    To my mind this is actually very dangerous, you may even say that is part of why we are unable to look for better ways to solve pur problems than increasing confrontation.
    We have been mislead to believe we are in a fait accompli of a zero sum game, which is a route to war and more wsr.
    It"s shameful with all these pre drawn conclusions, that simplify the true abilities of humaniny to look beyond and behind the origins of these with-us-or-against-us type of narratives.

  • @stevesartain5804
    @stevesartain5804 День тому

    He mentions we are doing appeasement again and have not learned the lessons of History.
    Well if we didn't send UK manpads and the US help them setup their Military Intelligence before the ear started, then yes, that could be said, but he is wrong, Russia is expanding its entire stock of Tanks, Infantry fighting vehicles and artillery in Ukraine, no way they will be sole to either win this or go further.

  • @lTandermthrust2001
    @lTandermthrust2001 19 годин тому

    Why should global south , join West to fight Russia, Britain can go and fight Russia it not our own business.

  • @silasdelobo4385
    @silasdelobo4385 2 дні тому +1

    Oh FFS 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @felipe-vibor
    @felipe-vibor День тому +1

    Why are strong men vilified?

  • @trevor1961
    @trevor1961 2 дні тому

    Interesting bloke 👍

  • @alordswatchman
    @alordswatchman 2 дні тому +7

    Nor does most Americans. Europe can fix their own problems. Or not, they've had 70 years.

    • @jacekboczarski6698
      @jacekboczarski6698 2 дні тому +1

      Before ww2, USA wanted to be isolated too - it will not wark, again

    • @CM-ey7nq
      @CM-ey7nq 2 дні тому +4

      Sigh.

    • @alanwatterson2850
      @alanwatterson2850 День тому +3

      This is the sort of opinion in that was popular in the US before Pearl Harbour.

    • @CM-ey7nq
      @CM-ey7nq 19 годин тому +1

      @@alanwatterson2850 Yeah, pretty much this.

  • @johnsmith-sj7xk
    @johnsmith-sj7xk 17 годин тому

    When you say the problem is for "US EUROPEANS" why don't you speak for yourself. Why do you speak for us all? Why do you think everyone in the EU shares YOUR opinion. I think you miscalculated a bit, as usual.

  • @aaahus4836
    @aaahus4836 День тому

    Wilders Netherlands is for ukraine support

  • @chirawanphung
    @chirawanphung 2 дні тому +1

    🇬🇧❤ 🇵🇱

  • @juandiaz6205
    @juandiaz6205 2 дні тому +2

    Hahaha I think Siria is an agreetment then you must give up on Ukraine that's it

  • @bobtate6812
    @bobtate6812 День тому

    More regions could be added to Russia - Medvedev
    The former president suggested that the nation’s ruling party may use its experience in helping to incorporate new territories in the future . I wonder if Mendevev's statements could be taken as a suggestion for other regions to join the Federation, including Odessa.

  • @NadNorgaard
    @NadNorgaard 2 дні тому

    Lets say the headline "Ukraine doesn't matter to Trump" is correct.
    But what follows if Russia takes all of Ukraine, and what Putin does with his Russian military thereafter - may matter greatly to Trump.

    • @GodwinGodfather
      @GodwinGodfather 2 дні тому

      Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine fool

    • @poulnrgaard7820
      @poulnrgaard7820 2 дні тому

      ​@@GodwinGodfatherYou got to be kidding!?

    • @alanwatterson2850
      @alanwatterson2850 День тому

      @@GodwinGodfather Putin thought his troops would be in Kiev within 3 days, clown. You can't even remember recent history. You're in no position to call anyone a fool.

  • @indonesiamenggugat8795
    @indonesiamenggugat8795 2 дні тому

    😁😁😁

  • @nightravenonline
    @nightravenonline 2 дні тому +1

    Trump can go to hel.

  • @beckyperry7752
    @beckyperry7752 2 дні тому

    December 12, 2024
    "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy capped off a whirlwind day in Washington on Tuesday with a press conference alongside President Joe Biden, who said Ukraine's "freedom is on the line" as a massive military aid package remains stalled in Congress where Republicans are pushing major changes to border policy."
    "The two leaders addressed reporters following a meeting in the Oval Office, laying out their vision for Ukraine's future and what role the U.S. should play in helping the Eastern European nation stave off Russia's invasion."
    "[Vladimir] Putin is banking on the United States failing to deliver for Ukraine," Biden said. "We must, we must, we must prove him wrong. The United States Congress must act."
    "Biden also had this message for Zelenskyy: "Mr. President, I will not walk away from Ukraine and neither will the American people."

  • @jeaninedrake7219
    @jeaninedrake7219 2 дні тому +2

    Trump wrote a book “Art of the Deal”. He relies a lot on his people skills/ relationship skills. I don’t know that the good professor is an expert in these types of skills. You could be very surprised about the outcome

    • @CM-ey7nq
      @CM-ey7nq 2 дні тому +3

      Do you actually believe that Trump wrote The Art of The Deal? Really?

    • @marisabenson1222
      @marisabenson1222 2 дні тому +3

      He did not write that book.

    • @alanwatterson2850
      @alanwatterson2850 День тому

      Trump couldn't write a shopping list.

  • @joshuapaul2022
    @joshuapaul2022 2 дні тому +1

    Ukraine isn't a democracy. Far from it. In democracies there is more than one TV Channel, main political parties and main Christian denominations aren't banned, no mass extrajudicial killings, disappearances and torture, men from 18 to 60 aren't banned from leaving the country, people aren't rounded up in the streets and dragged to their death. Democracies hold elections after all. Well, it's a quote from The Time article. Zelenskyy top advisers say about him: “He deludes himself, ” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that. It is immovable, verging on the messianic.” According to the Economist Zelenskyy is literally screaming at his generals at this point. One Austrian artist was in a similar state in 1945 . Zelenskyy "achievements" to date: 790,000 Ukrainians are dead, 3x that mangled and crippled for life, half of Ukraine's population is living as refugees scattered all over Europe and Russia right now, they're drafting women because they've run out of men to kidnap off the streets, gyms and public transport. NYT wrote about these mass kidnappings that were happening only in Zelenskyy Ukraine and Hitler's Germany in 1945 in an article ‘People Snatchers’. According to Zelenskyy latest statement only joining NATO or nukes can save his hide. These are lunatic ramblings of a desperate dictator before the imminent collapse of the regime.

  • @pukpuk7642
    @pukpuk7642 2 дні тому

    To think about sending some troops countries like Poland would have to have at least nuclear sharing and NATO troops from all countries stationed on its territory.

  • @pukpuk7642
    @pukpuk7642 2 дні тому

    West Germany had real bases during the Cold War etc.

  • @codex5300
    @codex5300 2 дні тому

    the pipeline for Ngas does tho syria should have let them build it..