To address the corsets: yes, the phenomena known as tight-lacing, which became popular after the introduction of metal eyelets to the corsets made them more dangerous/uncomfortable. Earlier corsets/ any ones that didn’t tight-lace (the majority of women) were relatively comfortable
@@thetillerwiller4696 it does have certain inaccuracies in verbiage, such as calling 15th century stays, corsets, overall this is a good summary of the history of undergarments. Admittedly my area of expertise is Victorian era department stores and prostitution, but this largely lined up with my senior thesis research
@@princekrazie I was working in a museum and a special archives before the pandemic but now I’m going back to school to get a masters (not to get to in depth)
That makes me glad these kinds of distractions weren't around when I was in school. Also, it really makes me want to have a UA-cam channel and actually teach my specialty in an entertaining way.
I just wanted to point out that women have been working since the dawn of time, usually as handmaidens, laundresses, maids, cooks, etc, which were all physical jobs that required movement. Corsets in the victorian era were rarely tightlaced and were comfortable and made for the wearer, not restricting their movement at all.
also if you look up real photographs of working class women (not just the stylized drawings/paintings) you can clearly see that their waists are normal sized! there are even photographs of women playing sports like tennis while clearly wearing corsets
She literally talked about that. She mentioned working women and how they generally didnt lace the same way as some aristocratic women did at the time when tightlacing was even a thing.
I loved your conclusion, it's all about taste. Every woman should be able to choose whether they want to wear a corset, a bra, a bralette, or nothing at all. As with make-up. That is real freedom.
It's really an interesting topic. Long time ago, wearing a lipstick was a gesture of rebellion and symbol of freedom. And in some other times, burning bras or refusing to use makeup are ways of protesting against misogyny and inequality. Having a choice has always been the only option for women.
Hey! Could you make a video about the history of shaving? If women were influenced to shave their armpits and other body parts, or if body hair in women was seen as "dirty" like nowadays. It would be really interesting!
Shaving was very uncommon in the Edwardian era and the 1910s; you only have to look at French postcards from that era to see that they didn't shave at all! Shaving in women grew in popularity in the 1920s, with the introduction of sleeveless and shorter dresses, and ultimately boomed in the 1950s with icons like Marilyn Monroe having completely shaven arms, legs and pits!
@@maximevancampenhout5214 dresses varied in length after 1914 but cotton stockings were still used widespread. Shaving was a personal preference for women but became a beauty standard by the 20s. Beauty standards in the 1910s embraced the natural form, not a modified one.
@@LindsayHoliday Lindsay , as a mature minded male { 42yrs old } I have to say my favourite part of the *WHOLE* video is the pioiant cartoon at 15:08 of this video. 🙄😅🤱👏
Great video! Fun fact; the first spacesuits were sewn by lingerie seamstresses, as they were some of the only craftsmen capable of working to the technical specifications required to make a suit airtight in the vacuum of space.
Here in India, relics from the Maurya Empire(322 - 185 BC), early classical(200 BC - 320 CE) & claasical era(320 - 650 CE) depict women to completely bare-chested like men, fully exposing their breasts. Idols of Hindu & Buddhist goddesses from the early medieval period(6th - 12th CE) start to show women wearing a single long piece of cloth tied over their breasts to hold & cover them together in the aftermath of the widespread Huna invasions & constant warfare among warring states. When art outside the patronage of the Sultanate was again revived in the early modern era(15th century - 1858), affluent women were seen to wear a sort of blouse which covered the entire torso which continues to this day. The blouse became available to rural women following the liberalisation of 1990s.
It's an easy mistake to make, but making a video about corsets and bras and getting that wrong..... yeah, that's a problem (P.s. do you watch Bernadette Banner, Karolina Zebrowska (Sorry if I'm misspelling that), or Abby Cox? XD)
@@e.e.s.6076 of course lol i love meme mom and Bernadette more but i like abby as well. I follow a lot of historical pages/costumers if you want more channels to watch.
I don’t recall her saying that the pair of bodies was ever stiffened with whalebone. I remember her saying that it was stiffened with buckram and read which is not in accurate. Also even fashion historians use the terms pair of bodies, stays and corset interchangeably when speaking to the general public, since most of the general public won’t know what you’re talking about if you say “pair of bodies”
@@brettlarch8050 Yet on land it's much preferred for ladies not to say a word And after all dear, what is idle babble for? Come on, they're not all that impressed with conversation ... True gentlemen avoid it when they can , But they dote and swoon and fawn On a lady who's withdrawn It's she who holds her tongue who gets a man!
@@thetillerwiller4696 Oh, I see. I could understand a desire for accuracy, but getting "fuming" over it? Really? People need to get some perspective on the current pandemic/vast political and social changes that are happening. There are other, more pressing things to get one's own panties in a twist over than a video on historical underwear. This is why, while I love history, I usually don't participate in history-discussing/admiring circles online. People get so snobby and holier-than-thou once they have a little bit of college/self-taught expertise. Everyone just needs to chill and help each other out with our shared love of the subject, not get "fuming" over inaccuracies which maybe were honest-to-the-gods unintentionally reported as facts. If people want other people to be educated, help in the process and rejoice in that someone has more to learn, don't get mad at it. That's just me, though.
I have a love/hate relationship with bras. I need the support and I feel exposed without one and I enjoy my comfy sports bras but after a while it's like "GET THIS CRAP OFFA ME!!!"
I haven’t worn an underwire bra since the start of the pandemic. Don’t see myself going back to them any time soon. You have the most fascinating videos. Love this channel.
I'm with you on underwire bras, they're so freaking uncomfortable. I keep seeing advertisements for those Shapermint bras, and I wonder if they are worth the hype.
Good effort, Lindsay, but slightly inaccurate. The term 'corset' didn't come into use until around the 1830s/40s, at least in England. It didn't take hours to dress in any period of time, only around 15-20 minutes. Tight-lacing was uncommon and frowned upon, as most women acknowledged comfort when lacing their corsets. Women also were able to work and play a variety of sports in corsets, stays and pairs of bodies.
Started wearing corsets about a decade ago as an option for underwear, and BOY are they comfy. And really flexible about changes in bust size. And flattering. And supportive of doing heavy lifting and things. I think we should re-emancipate people from bras! Agree with Patricia cardoso below for more history resources on early fashion.... I would add Lady Rebecca Fashions to the list too. I will say, high fashion women after metal eyelets are thought to do a bit of tightlacing, just not anyone who actually had to work xD tho, the laura Ingalls Wilder is an accurate source quoted from! Critical comments could be slightly more nuanced in their critiques I feel like..... a lot of right things but also some discarding of info that the other resources have mentioned as well. Idk. I'm so glad she's done these and we're all talking about it like civilized people ❤ All y'all be happy be healthy be well!
My corset is a bit short (no gores) for my ample boobage so I wear it with a softcup bra. It is SUCH a relief to not have to wear that horrible underwire any more, I rarely wear it now. Corsets are amazing, especially if you have a bad back.
No woman is discriminated or chastised for wearing a corset, there is no need for any form of advocacy for that. Not wearing any bra or corset though? Women are shamed for that. There is nothing inappropriate with womens breasts and no woman should feel ashamed for her chest. But in society today it is considered to be shameful. I don’t need bras but I’m forced to wear them because if I don’t I’m considered to be inappropriately dressed. And nasty men stare at me. There are many other women like me. All in all no one is stopping women from switching from bra to corset but many or stopping women from going from bra to nothing.
I have to wear a bra during the day. It's very uncomfortable without it. Especially in the summer. Skin laying on skin is gross when it's hot out lol! I also prefer my nipples not to show to the general public. Very distracting. Most of my friends prefer not to wear one, so I'm the odd one out.
I agree. Under-boob sweat is real and uncomfortable. I would rather wear a bra. Find one that fits your body and lifestyle properly and then it's no longer an odious instrument of torture
This is one of the best channels on UA-cam! Your videos are so fascinating, well-researched, entertaining, accurate and educational! Qualities not often found together online. Thank you.. and please keep the videos coming. ❤
There is a British actress who has started her own underwear business and it specializes in underwear for pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers. The actresses name is Helen Flanagan and she is best known for being the character of Rosie Webster in British soap opera Coronation Street. Helen is a mother of 2 and is expecting her third child. She did an interview about her business and said that she started it so that women could still feel beautiful and feminine and even sexy while pregnant and breast feeding but has also made them practical and convenient for breastfeeding mothers. The company is named Delilah Ruby after her second born daughter. I think that's a brilliant business to start.
As much as I think this is a good idea and don't want to slate her, but do we really need to feel/look sexy when pregnant and breastfeeding? Can't we just be left alone to just look and feel comfortable? IDK, it just seems that there are little times in women's life where we don't HAVE to look sexy, attractive and appeal to the male gaze. I didn't give a toss how sexy my nursing bra was, I constantly had a child hanging off it, she didn't care.
@@natashaa43 Well it is about a woman's confidence. Most women whilst they are pregnant or breastfeeding feel ugly or fat and they don't have a lot of confidence. Helen says that she started this business to help these women to celebrate their bodies especially at a time where they don't feel their best. It is about women remembering how amazing and powerful and awesome their bodies are that that should be celebrated. All women deserve to feel good about their bodies. They deserve to feel beautiful and feminine and sexy not for the male gaze but for themselves. We are all beautiful and especially those who are pregnant and breastfeeding. Women's bodies are amazing. we carry a whole human inside us for months. we give it life and feed it and love it and then our bodies provide milk and nutrients to help our babies to grow and develop. That is an awesome thing. It shouldn't just be the Instagram worthy size 8 models who get to feel beautiful and confident and sexy in underwear all women deserve it because we are all beautiful. Helen made a point as to that being the reason she started the business. She had body confidence issues after giving birth to her first daughter and didn't know how to feel better. Until she put on some underwear that she loved. Then she felt like a beautiful woman again. All women deserve that feeling.
@@natashaa43 Whilst, I agree with almost all said… The creation of this fashion line wasn’t for the “male gaze” it was for women themselves to feel sexy and confident in their own skin and womanhood. Not everything has to be linked or attributed to men!
So... I love the videos on this channel. I've learned a lot! But when you said corsets were invented in the 1500s, I kinda felt that this wasn't well researched. A photo of a stays was shown, which is very different to a corset, because corsets were invented in the late 1830s, about 300 years later! I can't tell if the photo shown is an actual 1500s stays (or pair of bodies), but I did find a photo online that looks similar, without the design. Please tell me if it is, I'd love to know! So then the narrator says corsets were used to accentuate the waist and to make the chest look larger, which is true... if she wasn't talking about a pair of stays. The entire purpose of a stays was not to make the chest look larger, but to make it look flatter. The narrator says there was no curve to them later in the video, which is correct, but then she starts saying they evolve to shape the body to an hourglass figure in the 16 and 1700s... but the chest was not yet like this in stays. Most of all, they didn't squeeze the waist so much that a woman would suffocate! Stays and corsets actually were there to support the bust, not to make the waist tiny (for working-class women). They had to work, so super tightly laced undergarments just wouldn't have been practical in any way. She then briefly goes on to the regency period, then straight to the victorian, hourglass, seemingly tiny waist corset without addressing the time in between. These corsets were completely different from 18th century stays, mostly because they actually made the chest look larger. Most women also didn't tight-lace, but would pad out their corsets at the bust to make it look as though their waist was smaller in comparison. So most didn't actually give themselves unnaturally small waists. Instead, the body standard was not based on size but on shape. When she talks about the tiny waist, a photo of what I'm almost positive is an Edwardian corset is shown. She's not there yet. If you're wondering how the waist looks so tiny in the picture, it's because if early "photoshop" techniques used by Victorians and Edwardians to remove blemishes, make the waist look incredibly small, and even to make illusions such as ladies with their head in their hands in photographs. In this case, they would just paint over a plain background and the sides of the photo to curve in the waist. If they are made correctly, with elaborate panels and piecing, corsets should fit perfectly around the waist and make the chest appear bigger with padding. Many modern corsets advertised as "Victorian-style" corsets are mass-manufactured, and most of them are made so the wearer can lace down, making everything smaller, but if you look at one of these lying down on a flat surface, there is almost no curvature to them, whereas there is elaborate shape to an actual Victorian corset or historically accurate recreation of one. Anyway, back to talking about the video. I appreciated how she mentioned how fashion historians are uncovering the secrets of lies we have been told about corsets being evil, oppressive torture machines. She also says that corsets were restrictive. While some could be depending on how tight they were laced (though it was uncommon to practice tight lacing), women have been doing hard work in stays or corsets for hundreds of years. Corsets marketed specifically for sports were also invented in the 1800s, which women could perform other activities in as well without any issues due to their corsets. They were just a normal undergarment. Uninformed directors sometimes spread the idea that corsets were "the devil" in their films, giving actresses an incredibly tight corset, sometimes even against bare skin, so no wonder these movie stars get the wrong idea about corsets! Normal ones wouldn't have been particularly uncomfortable, but supportive, and definitely with an under layer. However, the main reason that women probably wanted to give up corsetry for good was because it was making women appear to have an unnatural shape, enforcing one body shape on society. It's obviously wrong to say that the only beautiful body is one where the waist looks small compared to the chest and hips, but isn't that also what we do today? And at least size didn't matter as much back then, only shape, and no one expected women's bodies to actually look like that. But influencers today feel ashamed to admit that they got plastic surgery, or photoshop their pictures, so they just deny it, which will, of course, give young girls self-conscious feelings, like they should look like that as well. (I know, that was a run on sentence) I love that she mentioned that corsets didn't suffocate or maim, and that men wore them too! Sorry this comment is so long, but other than those things I'm pretty sure the rest of this video was accurate. Thanks for reading to the end... I'd love for you to make a video busting some corset-myths, as it would probably be way better than whatever I just wrote. If you know more about corsetry I'd love to hear it...
I absolutelly love this image, the lady in the left has such buff arms, and her pose makes It look like she's showing them of like "hey marcia, check these guns"
"You done had a baby Ms Scarlett and you ain't never gonna be 18 and a half inches again." Mammy to Scarlett while tight lacing in Gone With The Wind. I love lingerie and feeling feminine. Dita is the epitome of modern mesh with classic femininity. Our bodies are so awesome. I must say if I were forced to wear a corset or bra I'd be unhappy. I happily wear one and bras for that when I want too. Fascinating topic, very well presented 🙂
This is very interesting. It's great to learn about fashion, particularly women's clothes like bras and corsets and its history and culture. I hope a history of dresses comes next! ❤
As a large busted women I say bring on the corsets! Talk about back support. Having borrowed one from a friend I am now having one made for me. I know people see corsets as a restriction on women, but I like to think of them the same way as weight lifters use belts around their backs.
I used to wear corsets just for cosplay, and I remember not feeling uncomfortable in them. I'm a size H and I'm sick of uncomfortable bras. I'm tempted to have a corset made for me. Anything to help with back and neck pain.
I love the music in this video! Also, being much more home based right now, I have gotten much longer use out of my bras! Thanks Lindsay! Your channel is my favorite thing on UA-cam! 💙💙💙
Had no idea the "burning" the bra feminist movement happened in Atlantic City, I live in NJ we aren't taught about such movements, gonna Google search more about this. Thanks!
Whenever corsets are mentioned I immediately think of Scarlett O'hara, Laura Ingalls Wilder not wearing one to bed, even though Mary did (thank you for including that! ), And Rose in "Eight Cousins" by Louisa May Alcott, whose uncle, a doctor, forbids her to wear one because he wants her to be healthy and fit.
I will say, I do love a comfy, wire-free bra. And bras don't even necessarily need wires to be supportive, or even to be push-up. Just need good padding and strong straps lol
It’s literally not when you wear something under. Tight lacing and edited photography is why it looks painful. Hollywood likes to use this trope a lot and it’s really annoying.
If you're wearing it properly, it's really not. Wear something underneath, and don't use it to try to drop inches off your figure. I have a quality double stitched corset that I wear for the Renaissance festival which I'll be in for 8+ hours. It doesn't restrict any activity except bending in the middle. I can even run in it.
A rich girl like Scarlett would never waste her money in ill-fitting corsets. They were supposed to be comfortable, plus tightlacing was a fringe fashion that didn't become popular until decades later, long after the Civil War. That scene is responsible for all the writers that came after who love to use that false myth about corsets as a lazy way to portray female oppression
One thing not mentioned is that with the corset the dress / clothes used had added padding around the bust and below the corset to increase the illusion of the waist size. You had multiple layers of cloth and padding just think how long it would take to get dressed then compared to Now. As said the rich and famous dressed differently to the working class.
You’re forgetting the Italian ‘imbusto’ of the earlier renaissance as well as the functions of both early renaissance and mediaeval kirtles in regards to bust support.
At about 5:34 into the video you mentioned that for upper class women it would take several hours to get dress? Are you including extensive make-up and hair routines into that estimate? Because there are several historical fashion channels/sources that would argue that even with several layers women would be able to dress themselves within 30 minutes or so? Any thoughts on that?
If I remember correctly from several fashion historians that are on UA-cam, tight-lacing was a fashion statement but not the norm. Corsets and stays are suppose to be a supportive garment. And if I remember correctly from other areas in the history of the garment people would have been taught to move in them from childhood onwards--both sexes not just female presenting bodies.
Anyone who "burned the bra" were ladies not necessarily largely endowed, I imagine....Go without if you like, but large breasts with no support whatsoever will give back and neck pain to those "blessed" with them. If you want to get them bigger, by all means, it's your life, but maybe question whether you want them bigger for others, or truly for yourself.
I'm grateful for the invention of modern bras & sport bras. I get fitted once per year. If someone's bra is uncomfortable, they are most likely wearing the wrong size bra.
I'm still curious as to when cup sizes beyond D began to be recognised as needed. I also wish we had more info on how the very busty ladies coped with corsets.
I like corsets. I don’t wear them all the time, but I definitely wear them more then bras. I have small boobs, but I do have a hourglass figure and I like to emphasize it.
I usually love your videos but I was a bit disappointed by this one. If you want to watch real informative video about stays and corsets, I would suggest Bernadette Banner, Karolina Zebrowska and Abby Cox. Also, women had pregnancy corsets and clothes, just like women today have pregnancy clothes....
Thankfully, I have very small breasts, and do not require wearing a bra. My husband has bigger ones than I do. I thought bras uncomfortable, and horrible in AZ in the summer. I'm glad to have little ones. (Jan Griffiths).
You left out Laura Ingalls's response to her mother saying that her father could fit his hands around her waist when they were first married. "He can't now, and he seems to like you fine."
As a fashion historian I just wanna say I love your videos!!!! So well informed!!
This video isn’t very accurate
To address the corsets: yes, the phenomena known as tight-lacing, which became popular after the introduction of metal eyelets to the corsets made them more dangerous/uncomfortable. Earlier corsets/ any ones that didn’t tight-lace (the majority of women) were relatively comfortable
@@thetillerwiller4696 it does have certain inaccuracies in verbiage, such as calling 15th century stays, corsets, overall this is a good summary of the history of undergarments. Admittedly my area of expertise is Victorian era department stores and prostitution, but this largely lined up with my senior thesis research
How did you earn a living as a fashion historian?
@@princekrazie I was working in a museum and a special archives before the pandemic but now I’m going back to school to get a masters (not to get to in depth)
When you wanna watch a vid on bras and corsets instead of finishing school work because this video is 100000 times more exciting and fun
Probably more educational too
Same, I’m in class while watching this lol
i rather not learn about mlk every year just because my school is uncultred and only chooses the most popular black people😐
I would love taking history in school if they taught things like the videos on this channel
That makes me glad these kinds of distractions weren't around when I was in school.
Also, it really makes me want to have a UA-cam channel and actually teach my specialty in an entertaining way.
I just wanted to point out that women have been working since the dawn of time, usually as handmaidens, laundresses, maids, cooks, etc, which were all physical jobs that required movement. Corsets in the victorian era were rarely tightlaced and were comfortable and made for the wearer, not restricting their movement at all.
also if you look up real photographs of working class women (not just the stylized drawings/paintings) you can clearly see that their waists are normal sized! there are even photographs of women playing sports like tennis while clearly wearing corsets
She literally talked about that. She mentioned working women and how they generally didnt lace the same way as some aristocratic women did at the time when tightlacing was even a thing.
Try to breath with a hand pressing at your belly. Then tell me
@@ipercalisse579 you don’t breath through your stomach when you have a corset on, you breathe through your chest.
@@melveres3369 We are not insects. We breathe through our mouths. XD *ba dum tish*
Abby Cox
Bernadette Banner
Karolina Zebrowska
Have entered the chat lol
Exactly what I thought
Yieeee I love Karolina Zebrowska
I'm glad I'm part of this historical women fandom.
All three are amazing creators 💕
I have to ask.... why drink your nail polish?
I loved your conclusion, it's all about taste. Every woman should be able to choose whether they want to wear a corset, a bra, a bralette, or nothing at all. As with make-up. That is real freedom.
It's really an interesting topic. Long time ago, wearing a lipstick was a gesture of rebellion and symbol of freedom. And in some other times, burning bras or refusing to use makeup are ways of protesting against misogyny and inequality. Having a choice has always been the only option for women.
Personally, I think not wearing a bra or panties is tacky. But to each their own.
Hooray for the Over the shoulder Bolder Holder .
I call them boobie hammocks
Love the Beaches/Bette Middleton reference!
Hey! Could you make a video about the history of shaving? If women were influenced to shave their armpits and other body parts, or if body hair in women was seen as "dirty" like nowadays. It would be really interesting!
Shaving was very uncommon in the Edwardian era and the 1910s; you only have to look at French postcards from that era to see that they didn't shave at all! Shaving in women grew in popularity in the 1920s, with the introduction of sleeveless and shorter dresses, and ultimately boomed in the 1950s with icons like Marilyn Monroe having completely shaven arms, legs and pits!
Not gonna lie I hate that shit and I don't shave my under arms. But I do only with they get super long which has never happened to me.
@@EdwardianTea i thought that woman started shaving in 1914 cuzz the dresses where becoming shorter
@@maximevancampenhout5214 dresses varied in length after 1914 but cotton stockings were still used widespread. Shaving was a personal preference for women but became a beauty standard by the 20s. Beauty standards in the 1910s embraced the natural form, not a modified one.
Lucki!y mine is very light, but I would shave if I was wearing something sleveless, mainly evening garments.
Lindsey, could you cover the topic 'history of menstruation' and basically talk about what products women used for their time of the month?
I literally just finished it today! I'll release for international women's day next month. There's a lot of cool stuff in there!
@@LindsayHoliday you're the best💜
@@LindsayHoliday Lindsay , as a mature minded male { 42yrs old } I have to say my favourite part of the *WHOLE* video is the pioiant cartoon at 15:08 of this video. 🙄😅🤱👏
Haven’t worn a bra in a year, best decision ever
You're lucky to not need the back support. (Which any good bra is giving the wearer.)
Doesn't that feel uncomfortable? To me, I feel so exposed without a bra. Like if I accidentally hit my boob or something it hurts too much without one
@@wareforcoin5780 My bra did sod all for my back, nope, move on to corsets, back support is much better
@@l2516 They’ll need to wear a shift/chemise under the corset so I think that’ll make up
for the vulnerability
@@l2516 LOL nah for me it’s actually comfortable, I used to feel exposed but then I started to get used to it and it became more comfortable:)
Great video! Fun fact; the first spacesuits were sewn by lingerie seamstresses, as they were some of the only craftsmen capable of working to the technical specifications required to make a suit airtight in the vacuum of space.
Awesome
:0 woah
Here in India, relics from the Maurya Empire(322 - 185 BC), early classical(200 BC - 320 CE) & claasical era(320 - 650 CE) depict women to completely bare-chested like men, fully exposing their breasts. Idols of Hindu & Buddhist goddesses from the early medieval period(6th - 12th CE) start to show women wearing a single long piece of cloth tied over their breasts to hold & cover them together in the aftermath of the widespread Huna invasions & constant warfare among warring states. When art outside the patronage of the Sultanate was again revived in the early modern era(15th century - 1858), affluent women were seen to wear a sort of blouse which covered the entire torso which continues to this day. The blouse became available to rural women following the liberalisation of 1990s.
Stays were made in the 1500s, not corsets. There were also corded corsets; lined with cords, not whale bone.
It's an easy mistake to make, but making a video about corsets and bras and getting that wrong..... yeah, that's a problem
(P.s. do you watch Bernadette Banner, Karolina Zebrowska (Sorry if I'm misspelling that), or Abby Cox? XD)
@@e.e.s.6076 of course lol i love meme mom and Bernadette more but i like abby as well. I follow a lot of historical pages/costumers if you want more channels to watch.
I don’t recall her saying that the pair of bodies was ever stiffened with whalebone. I remember her saying that it was stiffened with buckram and read which is not in accurate. Also even fashion historians use the terms pair of bodies, stays and corset interchangeably when speaking to the general public, since most of the general public won’t know what you’re talking about if you say “pair of bodies”
@@MisAJGraveS Personally I think the term 'pair of bodies' should come back! hehe
Some were I think
Ursula: I need your voice.
Ariel: But without my voice how can I?
BOOBS
Very sad joke
"You have your looks! Your pretty face! and never underestimate the importance of BODY LANGUAGE!"
@@ipercalisse579 You reported my comment and got it deleted because you’re a whiny little baby with no sense of humor I see.
@@astrol64 The men up there don’t like a lot of blabber! They think a girl who gossips is a bore!
@@brettlarch8050 Yet on land it's much preferred for ladies not to say a word
And after all dear, what is idle babble for?
Come on, they're not all that impressed with conversation
...
True gentlemen avoid it when they can
,
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a lady who's withdrawn
It's she who holds her tongue who gets a man!
I can practically hear Karolina Zebrowska fuming
Glad I’m not the only one 😂
Why?
@@AliciaNyblade quite a bit of this is inaccurate
@@thetillerwiller4696 Oh, I see. I could understand a desire for accuracy, but getting "fuming" over it? Really? People need to get some perspective on the current pandemic/vast political and social changes that are happening. There are other, more pressing things to get one's own panties in a twist over than a video on historical underwear.
This is why, while I love history, I usually don't participate in history-discussing/admiring circles online. People get so snobby and holier-than-thou once they have a little bit of college/self-taught expertise. Everyone just needs to chill and help each other out with our shared love of the subject, not get "fuming" over inaccuracies which maybe were honest-to-the-gods unintentionally reported as facts. If people want other people to be educated, help in the process and rejoice in that someone has more to learn, don't get mad at it. That's just me, though.
@@AliciaNyblade I think I agree with the fuming, Lindsay is usually very accurate, but quite a bit of her research here is quite off
I have a love/hate relationship with bras. I need the support and I feel exposed without one and I enjoy my comfy sports bras but after a while it's like "GET THIS CRAP OFFA ME!!!"
Maybe try a corset then a lot of people in the comments are saying how good they are for their backs and breasts
OMG SAME!
@@di7209 Feeling the same way
TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN
I haven’t worn an underwire bra since the start of the pandemic. Don’t see myself going back to them any time soon. You have the most fascinating videos. Love this channel.
I'm with you on underwire bras, they're so freaking uncomfortable. I keep seeing advertisements for those Shapermint bras, and I wonder if they are worth the hype.
Wouldn’t those be stays? The corset wasn’t invented until the mid 19th century.
She said bodies, stays and corsets in this section. What are you referring to?
@@natashaa43 the period that she covers from 1500 to 1800
I think she was saying corset so people would understand
Good effort, Lindsay, but slightly inaccurate. The term 'corset' didn't come into use until around the 1830s/40s, at least in England. It didn't take hours to dress in any period of time, only around 15-20 minutes. Tight-lacing was uncommon and frowned upon, as most women acknowledged comfort when lacing their corsets. Women also were able to work and play a variety of sports in corsets, stays and pairs of bodies.
Agreed!
She mentioned most of what you said..
Yeah, I feel like the video lacks the nuance you mention about the role corsets play in the daily lives of women.
Wheres ur video to explain the "bra"?
She was referring to some aristocratic women, not the average woman or working class.
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We love a history UA-camr with a good sense of humor. Thanks Lindsay!
Started wearing corsets about a decade ago as an option for underwear, and BOY are they comfy. And really flexible about changes in bust size. And flattering. And supportive of doing heavy lifting and things. I think we should re-emancipate people from bras!
Agree with Patricia cardoso below for more history resources on early fashion.... I would add Lady Rebecca Fashions to the list too.
I will say, high fashion women after metal eyelets are thought to do a bit of tightlacing, just not anyone who actually had to work xD tho, the laura Ingalls Wilder is an accurate source quoted from! Critical comments could be slightly more nuanced in their critiques I feel like..... a lot of right things but also some discarding of info that the other resources have mentioned as well. Idk. I'm so glad she's done these and we're all talking about it like civilized people ❤
All y'all be happy be healthy be well!
My corset is a bit short (no gores) for my ample boobage so I wear it with a softcup bra. It is SUCH a relief to not have to wear that horrible underwire any more, I rarely wear it now. Corsets are amazing, especially if you have a bad back.
Good for you, but I will stick to panty hurdles. I have worn them since I was a teen.
No woman is discriminated or chastised for wearing a corset, there is no need for any form of advocacy for that. Not wearing any bra or corset though? Women are shamed for that. There is nothing inappropriate with womens breasts and no woman should feel ashamed for her chest. But in society today it is considered to be shameful. I don’t need bras but I’m forced to wear them because if I don’t I’m considered to be inappropriately dressed. And nasty men stare at me. There are many other women like me.
All in all no one is stopping women from switching from bra to corset but many or stopping women from going from bra to nothing.
I have to wear a bra during the day. It's very uncomfortable without it. Especially in the summer. Skin laying on skin is gross when it's hot out lol! I also prefer my nipples not to show to the general public. Very distracting. Most of my friends prefer not to wear one, so I'm the odd one out.
I agree. Under-boob sweat is real and uncomfortable. I would rather wear a bra. Find one that fits your body and lifestyle properly and then it's no longer an odious instrument of torture
These videos are so amazing thanks for posting
Ah yes, only if Henry had one
@Jacky. Katherine Howard, Rhiannon White *and* Jacked-Up-Jackie in the same room?! What is this? A crossover episode?
Ikr? - sigh-
Let us laugh your majesty
This is one of the best channels on UA-cam! Your videos are so fascinating, well-researched, entertaining, accurate and educational! Qualities not often found together online. Thank you.. and please keep the videos coming. ❤
I can’t believe it took me almost 35 years to know about this stuff!! You’re amazing!
There is a British actress who has started her own underwear business and it specializes in underwear for pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers. The actresses name is Helen Flanagan and she is best known for being the character of Rosie Webster in British soap opera Coronation Street. Helen is a mother of 2 and is expecting her third child. She did an interview about her business and said that she started it so that women could still feel beautiful and feminine and even sexy while pregnant and breast feeding but has also made them practical and convenient for breastfeeding mothers. The company is named Delilah Ruby after her second born daughter. I think that's a brilliant business to start.
As much as I think this is a good idea and don't want to slate her, but do we really need to feel/look sexy when pregnant and breastfeeding? Can't we just be left alone to just look and feel comfortable? IDK, it just seems that there are little times in women's life where we don't HAVE to look sexy, attractive and appeal to the male gaze. I didn't give a toss how sexy my nursing bra was, I constantly had a child hanging off it, she didn't care.
@@natashaa43 Well it is about a woman's confidence. Most women whilst they are pregnant or breastfeeding feel ugly or fat and they don't have a lot of confidence. Helen says that she started this business to help these women to celebrate their bodies especially at a time where they don't feel their best. It is about women remembering how amazing and powerful and awesome their bodies are that that should be celebrated. All women deserve to feel good about their bodies. They deserve to feel beautiful and feminine and sexy not for the male gaze but for themselves. We are all beautiful and especially those who are pregnant and breastfeeding. Women's bodies are amazing. we carry a whole human inside us for months. we give it life and feed it and love it and then our bodies provide milk and nutrients to help our babies to grow and develop. That is an awesome thing. It shouldn't just be the Instagram worthy size 8 models who get to feel beautiful and confident and sexy in underwear all women deserve it because we are all beautiful. Helen made a point as to that being the reason she started the business. She had body confidence issues after giving birth to her first daughter and didn't know how to feel better. Until she put on some underwear that she loved. Then she felt like a beautiful woman again. All women deserve that feeling.
@@natashaa43 Whilst, I agree with almost all said…
The creation of this fashion line wasn’t for the “male gaze” it was for women themselves to feel sexy and confident in their own skin and womanhood. Not everything has to be linked or attributed to men!
Thank you so much for this video! I teach fashion history at the college level and use your videos all the time - this will be such a great addition!
I just wanna say this is better and more entertaining than history class in school i love your videos
So... I love the videos on this channel. I've learned a lot! But when you said corsets were invented in the 1500s, I kinda felt that this wasn't well researched. A photo of a stays was shown, which is very different to a corset, because corsets were invented in the late 1830s, about 300 years later! I can't tell if the photo shown is an actual 1500s stays (or pair of bodies), but I did find a photo online that looks similar, without the design. Please tell me if it is, I'd love to know!
So then the narrator says corsets were used to accentuate the waist and to make the chest look larger, which is true... if she wasn't talking about a pair of stays. The entire purpose of a stays was not to make the chest look larger, but to make it look flatter. The narrator says there was no curve to them later in the video, which is correct, but then she starts saying they evolve to shape the body to an hourglass figure in the 16 and 1700s... but the chest was not yet like this in stays. Most of all, they didn't squeeze the waist so much that a woman would suffocate! Stays and corsets actually were there to support the bust, not to make the waist tiny (for working-class women). They had to work, so super tightly laced undergarments just wouldn't have been practical in any way.
She then briefly goes on to the regency period, then straight to the victorian, hourglass, seemingly tiny waist corset without addressing the time in between. These corsets were completely different from 18th century stays, mostly because they actually made the chest look larger. Most women also didn't tight-lace, but would pad out their corsets at the bust to make it look as though their waist was smaller in comparison. So most didn't actually give themselves unnaturally small waists. Instead, the body standard was not based on size but on shape.
When she talks about the tiny waist, a photo of what I'm almost positive is an Edwardian corset is shown. She's not there yet. If you're wondering how the waist looks so tiny in the picture, it's because if early "photoshop" techniques used by Victorians and Edwardians to remove blemishes, make the waist look incredibly small, and even to make illusions such as ladies with their head in their hands in photographs. In this case, they would just paint over a plain background and the sides of the photo to curve in the waist. If they are made correctly, with elaborate panels and piecing, corsets should fit perfectly around the waist and make the chest appear bigger with padding.
Many modern corsets advertised as "Victorian-style" corsets are mass-manufactured, and most of them are made so the wearer can lace down, making everything smaller, but if you look at one of these lying down on a flat surface, there is almost no curvature to them, whereas there is elaborate shape to an actual Victorian corset or historically accurate recreation of one.
Anyway, back to talking about the video. I appreciated how she mentioned how fashion historians are uncovering the secrets of lies we have been told about corsets being evil, oppressive torture machines. She also says that corsets were restrictive. While some could be depending on how tight they were laced (though it was uncommon to practice tight lacing), women have been doing hard work in stays or corsets for hundreds of years. Corsets marketed specifically for sports were also invented in the 1800s, which women could perform other activities in as well without any issues due to their corsets. They were just a normal undergarment.
Uninformed directors sometimes spread the idea that corsets were "the devil" in their films, giving actresses an incredibly tight corset, sometimes even against bare skin, so no wonder these movie stars get the wrong idea about corsets! Normal ones wouldn't have been particularly uncomfortable, but supportive, and definitely with an under layer. However, the main reason that women probably wanted to give up corsetry for good was because it was making women appear to have an unnatural shape, enforcing one body shape on society. It's obviously wrong to say that the only beautiful body is one where the waist looks small compared to the chest and hips, but isn't that also what we do today? And at least size didn't matter as much back then, only shape, and no one expected women's bodies to actually look like that. But influencers today feel ashamed to admit that they got plastic surgery, or photoshop their pictures, so they just deny it, which will, of course, give young girls self-conscious feelings, like they should look like that as well. (I know, that was a run on sentence)
I love that she mentioned that corsets didn't suffocate or maim, and that men wore them too! Sorry this comment is so long, but other than those things I'm pretty sure the rest of this video was accurate. Thanks for reading to the end... I'd love for you to make a video busting some corset-myths, as it would probably be way better than whatever I just wrote. If you know more about corsetry I'd love to hear it...
You just helped me BIG time with my history final
Thank you 😁
I absolutelly love this image, the lady in the left has such buff arms, and her pose makes It look like she's showing them of like "hey marcia, check these guns"
"You done had a baby Ms Scarlett and you ain't never gonna be 18 and a half inches again." Mammy to Scarlett while tight lacing in Gone With The Wind. I love lingerie and feeling feminine. Dita is the epitome of modern mesh with classic femininity. Our bodies are so awesome. I must say if I were forced to wear a corset or bra I'd be unhappy. I happily wear one and bras for that when I want too. Fascinating topic, very well presented 🙂
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This is very interesting. It's great to learn about fashion, particularly women's clothes like bras and corsets and its history and culture. I hope a history of dresses comes next! ❤
As a large busted women I say bring on the corsets! Talk about back support. Having borrowed one from a friend I am now having one made for me. I know people see corsets as a restriction on women, but I like to think of them the same way as weight lifters use belts around their backs.
I used to wear corsets just for cosplay, and I remember not feeling uncomfortable in them. I'm a size H and I'm sick of uncomfortable bras. I'm tempted to have a corset made for me. Anything to help with back and neck pain.
Love your videos!!!! So interesting learning about the different periods of history and different topics!!!!! :)
Lindsay coming in clutch with her sources :D
I love the music in this video! Also, being much more home based right now, I have gotten much longer use out of my bras! Thanks Lindsay! Your channel is my favorite thing on UA-cam! 💙💙💙
Thank you for making me aware of these intriguing historical chestnuts
I loved this!!! And love all your videos! Thank you for everything you make and all your hard work. 💜
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Once again, an excellent and informative video!! Kudos to you.
Had no idea the "burning" the bra feminist movement happened in Atlantic City, I live in NJ we aren't taught about such movements, gonna Google search more about this. Thanks!
Whenever corsets are mentioned I immediately think of Scarlett O'hara, Laura Ingalls Wilder not wearing one to bed, even though Mary did (thank you for including that! ), And Rose in "Eight Cousins" by Louisa May Alcott, whose uncle, a doctor, forbids her to wear one because he wants her to be healthy and fit.
Ahh, I love Eight Cousins!
All of those contribute to perpetuate the myths about corsets. Not helpful at all.
Another well researched video.
Good video .
I love your channel! This was so interesting and well done, thank you for all the work you do on these videos!
I will say, I do love a comfy, wire-free bra. And bras don't even necessarily need wires to be supportive, or even to be push-up. Just need good padding and strong straps lol
I love all of these videos! Always amazing
So much history in this one upload
Great video, Lindsay!
Omg I was literally curious about this topic and this got recommended.....😳
This makes me think of Scarlet O'Hara being squeezed into her corset in Gone With the Wind! That looked really freaking painful
It’s literally not when you wear something under. Tight lacing and edited photography is why it looks painful. Hollywood likes to use this trope a lot and it’s really annoying.
If you're wearing it properly, it's really not. Wear something underneath, and don't use it to try to drop inches off your figure. I have a quality double stitched corset that I wear for the Renaissance festival which I'll be in for 8+ hours. It doesn't restrict any activity except bending in the middle. I can even run in it.
not historically accurate
A rich girl like Scarlett would never waste her money in ill-fitting corsets. They were supposed to be comfortable, plus tightlacing was a fringe fashion that didn't become popular until decades later, long after the Civil War. That scene is responsible for all the writers that came after who love to use that false myth about corsets as a lazy way to portray female oppression
Yup, love your videos. I am interested in history and your videos are informative and help me expand on my interest.
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i loved this video! :) i would have been screwed when they just had A-D cups. i'm usually a K or L cup.
Thank you! As always It is amazing!
wait you posted this 6 days ago but the video was posted literally a minute ago wtf-
Eimear McDonagh maybe it's a glitch? Or! Maybe they are supporting her through her patreon? They get to see videos before anyone
@@animelover7846 probably..
@@animelover7846 yes you got it right, I am a member of her Patreon
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One thing not mentioned is that with the corset the dress / clothes used had added padding around the bust and below the corset to increase the illusion of the waist size. You had multiple layers of cloth and padding just think how long it would take to get dressed then compared to Now. As said the rich and famous dressed differently to the working class.
I'm such a fan of your content, great job as always, you have a wonderfully unique speaking voice and I enjoy to get lost in your videos!
These videos are amazing. Thank you so much.
As a woman with DDDs, I am so thankful for the bra.
Yes bra are great
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Seems like there should have been an USS Brassiere somewhere in the US fleet during the war. 😃
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I like listening to you. You make simple things sound so cool
Your channel is fabulous. Thank you so much for the great content.
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You’re forgetting the Italian ‘imbusto’ of the earlier renaissance as well as the functions of both early renaissance and mediaeval kirtles in regards to bust support.
My grandmother wore a corset until her passing in the 70’s ! Her children and grandchildren thought it was so old fashioned!
At about 5:34 into the video you mentioned that for upper class women it would take several hours to get dress? Are you including extensive make-up and hair routines into that estimate? Because there are several historical fashion channels/sources that would argue that even with several layers women would be able to dress themselves within 30 minutes or so? Any thoughts on that?
Yea it work be around 15 mind average
“The hour glass came back with a mighty vengeance.” lol😂 you can say that again. But it’s hilarious to think that King George had major cake too😹😹😷
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Empire is pronounced “em-peer” when talking about the waistline
If I remember correctly from several fashion historians that are on UA-cam, tight-lacing was a fashion statement but not the norm. Corsets and stays are suppose to be a supportive garment. And if I remember correctly from other areas in the history of the garment people would have been taught to move in them from childhood onwards--both sexes not just female presenting bodies.
Very interesting and thorough! But who knew underwear would be such a controversial topic.
thank you for sharing this fasanating history @!!
Speaking of "monoboob", sports bras are NOTORIOUS for that.
I like my bras with lots of support. Anything without underwire just doesn't cut it.
Amazing video as always !
Thank you for your videos they’re so helpful.
Anyone who "burned the bra" were ladies not necessarily largely endowed, I imagine....Go without if you like, but large breasts with no support whatsoever will give back and neck pain to those "blessed" with them. If you want to get them bigger, by all means, it's your life, but maybe question whether you want them bigger for others, or truly for yourself.
I'm grateful for the invention of modern bras & sport bras. I get fitted once per year. If someone's bra is uncomfortable, they are most likely wearing the wrong size bra.
Lovely video
i don’t wear a bra to bed and it feels great
I'm still curious as to when cup sizes beyond D began to be recognised as needed. I also wish we had more info on how the very busty ladies coped with corsets.
Could you please make a video about Queen Louisa of Prussia ??
I like corsets. I don’t wear them all the time, but I definitely wear them more then bras. I have small boobs, but I do have a hourglass figure and I like to emphasize it.
Thanks!
I love these videos
I usually love your videos but I was a bit disappointed by this one. If you want to watch real informative video about stays and corsets, I would suggest Bernadette Banner, Karolina Zebrowska and Abby Cox.
Also, women had pregnancy corsets and clothes, just like women today have pregnancy clothes....
very interesting!
I love your videos! They’re great. I don’t love bras tho lol I never wear them
Thankfully, I have very small breasts, and do not require wearing a bra. My husband has bigger ones than I do. I thought bras uncomfortable, and horrible in AZ in the summer. I'm glad to have little ones. (Jan Griffiths).
You should watch Prior Attire. She dresses herself, corset and all.
You left out Laura Ingalls's response to her mother saying that her father could fit his hands around her waist when they were first married. "He can't now, and he seems to like you fine."