Personally, I don’t think it feels all that rushed, more that they got the news in the middle of making season two and had to rewrite a couple of things on the fly. I think it worked. Also, it wasn’t cancelled, Disney slashed the third season
@@littlemrsmods7998 I think it was cancelled at some point during season 1's airing, and season 2's production. That's why some of season 2's episodes feel rushed because of them being condensed from 2 full seasons (season 2 and 3) to one season and three one hour specials.
I didn't think I'd like Owl House as much as I did, but especially once Season Two started and King got more development, and Hunter was involved more, I just immediately fell in love with it. I'm a sucker for the found family trope and especially for the "these kids are traumatized and the only adults in their life don't know how to deal with it at all" version. I felt the same with the dynamic part at first, but when I went back and watched it, it kind of made sense, especially after we got some more context to Eda and Lilith's past and why Eda probably felt the way she did when she got to know Luz even just a tiny bit better. Season two sucker punched me straight in the face. We all had our suspicions, but some of it just comes out of nowhere, but not in a bad way. I'm explaining it really bad, mostly bc I'm still stuck all up in my feels, but holy shit. Just holy shit.
@@AthenaPOfficial It’s such a good show, a little serious, but mostly light hearted. Taken from the perspective of a fat girl trying to live life normally after her psychiatric stay.
With what you’ve watched of owl house I totally get it and was in the same boat BUTTTTT lemme tell you this show knows how to turn tropes on their head in the best way possible and I implore you to hold horses till the season 2 finale (and maybe make a video on it because there’s a Lot you could cover but who am I to judge I’m not your mom )
That’s not even a little true. The tropes are so bad the characters are cringey and sound completely unnatural. And I don’t see whole season 2 makes a difference.. as if we need to start taking LGBTQ content like a drug that we are addicted to? I cannot help, but feel rubbed the wrong way when we are fet/sh/sed this way.
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 I actually really agree with the f3t/5h/z4t/0n part. As a queer person it still kinda irks me the wrong way when other members of the LGBTQIA+ community get baited by the blalant pandering from the cishet executives. I personally don't think that TOH is any sort of insensitive in that remark, though. It obviously does feature overused LGBT tropes especially in the main relationship between Luz and Amity (And don't get me started on the incredibly easily misinterpreted "Teenage Gay" trope. Really seems to intensify the "It's just a phase" arguments from cishet family) , but it's imo far from a lot of other "representation" in media.
@@inferno9218 lol which “teenage gay trope”? XD I don’t like how amity becomes weak and Luz is now big strong 💪 and Amity feels safer around her? Like from a life or death standpoint not the emotionally vulnerable standpoint, I get that, but that doesn’t mean you ignore the magic and battle skills sHeS accumulated over the years.
I said the same thing about heartstopper before I watched it and now I’ve watched it 8 times and I bought solitaire and the first two volumes of the heartstopper graphic novels. To say I’m obsessed is an understatement.
Well I’ve watched it and read the godforsaken WebToon and my conclusion still remains the same. It’s honestly cringing and I don’t know why anyone would lay their eyes on a word of this. I feel like being proud of this is like been proud of a Wattpad. I’m looking at you *_After!_*
You should DEFINETLY watch Infinity Train next. Its such an amazing series with interesting themes and characters and so tightly written i think you would enjoy it so much
I think the joke with Hooty is that it's voiced by Alex Hirsch, creator of Gravity Falls and boyfriend of TOH creator Dana Terrace. He also voices King and a bunch of other characters in TOH, Gravity Falls, and even Amphibia. They poke fun at the horrible voice he uses for Hooty but the whole punching bag thing really goes away after Knock, Knock, Knockin' on Hooty's Door. A lot of the audience, myself included, couldn't stand him until that episode and onwards.
New sub! As an Owl House Fan, I honestly expected you to give it a C or a D with how the thumbnail played it up 😂 P.S: If I ever get my cartoon off the ground, I'll definitely hit you up for a role! I like your voice lol
Omg thank you so so much!!!! (Had to clickbait just a bit hahaha bc it’s not that I don’t like it I just expected to like it even more) and omg that means a lot to me thanks again!
I really think that you need to watch the entirety of TOH season 2!! I agree that season 1 isn't the greatest, and agree with many of the issues you had here, but Season 2 has possibly some of the quickest turnaround for a shows quality I've ever seen.
I actually dropped owl house after episode 16. I had completely different issues with the series. Although Hooty's role as "the punching bag" bothers me, I had way less of a problem with Hooty's role than I did with Willow's role. If I ever start a youtube channel, I will talk about season 1A Willow. Then I watched it again with my boyfriend because I saw how good the season 2 finale was via reviews. I think I skipped season 1 B entirely because my boyfriend just watches things without me and so we picked off at season 2 and I really like it now. My favorite thing is that I saw spoilers but I still get a bit blindsided by things because I think the only way to spoil the show is by summarizing it beat by beat. Hooty also gets justice there's an episode where the whole family has issues and he tries to help them and now he is my best friend's favorite character.
I'm torn, between the part of me that totally thinks that season 2 of the owl house is really good and it is my comfort show and needing to accept that sometimes a show doesn't click for a person. Anyways, all of the other takes are good, especially umbrella academy, that show made me cry like crazy. Also, you should watch the rest of she'ra it's a bop.
I think the way you feel about TOH is the same way I feel about Amphibia, I didn't really love season 1, but it just got so much better in season 2 and season 3 was espectacular! So yh, definetly finish watching TOH
She-ra is my favorite show, considering it has diversity, life lessons , a good plot line , Amazing characters, the characters have amazing relationships and, the characters are so relatable. I’m so glad that you like it to not many people like and say it’s over here rated. So it nice to know I’m not the only one who likes it🙂
Something that I find to be really interesting across the community is most people who love Amphibia don't like owl house and vice versa 🤣🤣 because I loved owl house (The story, the pacing, the characters) and I am struggling to get into Amphibia~ Can barely make it through episode one.
I Love Amphibia, She-Ra and The Owl House. If I’m being honest they might be my fav shows ever but I kinda agreed with you before on The Owl House, I used to not like it that much and something just felt off but I kept watching it anyways and now I’m addicted.
I agree, the owl house is good but a lot of the time the characters feel really cliché and evolve so quickly. The dialogues are also kind of stereotypical and shallow. Plus, i didn’t realize the punching humor thing until you mentioned it, but it’s true that it just feels violent and unnecessary, just like when Lilith punched Philip etc. I know people keep babying Amity and even though I like her, her character arc couldn’t have been more cheesy, sometimes I feel like I’m reading a bad fanfiction.. But yea I still appreciate the show for the world building and the relations between each characters, as well as some strong episodes
I mean, the point of Lilith punching Phillip was not necesseraly the joke, but to show how Phillip got the scar on his nose. I agree The Owl House is not perfect, especially Season 1. It has good episodes but also mediocre episodes as well. Season 2 on the other hand is amazing in my opinion, it almost has zero bad episodes. And about the characters evolving fast, they don't really have a choice, because of the cancellation of S3. The fact that they had to rush the story in S2 and still managed to make it this good is mindblowing.
OKAY SO, I suggested OFMD episode 1, but it’s def not the best episode. You should keep watching its so good, and SO GAY past the Pilot!! I’m sure you would like it if you kept watching :))
Omg you did ouat!!! That's one of my fav shows ever honestly and to see you do it is just it makes me so happy and your opinion is so close to mine and I respect it when I disagree
Just watched like 5 of your videos in a row and I love your vibes. The fact that you put Owl House in mid-ish A-tier and were prepared for a torrential downpour of hate for feeling like that would be too low? You get it. You get it. I'm subscribed. But also, to be clear, PLEASE finish season two of Owl House and then I'll believe you if you still don't love it.
I feel like Centaurworld would be a good show to reccomend. Also this video alone made me realize that I've been a secret musical theater kid my whole life.
Somehow I knew as soon as you said season 2 that he'd recommended *that* episode of Criminal Minds. Personally, I'd go with LDSK, but that may be because it has Timothy Omundson...
I thought he would recommend Revelations but somehow the one he chose is worse 😭all in all not the best episode to represent the show and id personally recommend something better but thats just me loll
Great review Athena....even though my love for 'The Owl House" does not match you! LOL! 🤣I agree some shows were either to rushed, to cheesy, or some plots were not needed, but some shows had awesome turn outs! I need to do reviews on my channel, that'd be fun haha!
Talking about Amphibia, I CRIED for three days after watching the show’s finale, I genuinely loved everyone in there and every time I watch any bit of the show I wanna cry or tears start to appear
I totally get where you’re coming from on the Owl House. I originally started watching it because my sister loves it and I wanted to have something to talk with her about. I was nervous going in because I hate horror and that’s a big part of the show and at times it still puts me off but I started really digging the show by season 2.
Finding this video after The Owl House ended, maybe give it another shot? The show was a bit rushed cause Disney forced them to shorten it, but I think they did a great job with it, and the finale is *chefs kiss* wonderful. Also as an Owl House fan, I apologize for Owl House fans.
If you ever do another id definitely recommend ROTTMNT. Either Clothes Don't Make the Turtle, Mystic Library or Lair games. Its one of if not THE most dynamic and well animated western animation cartoons I have ever seen and the character dynamics and writing is SUPERB. The plot perfectly fine but the whole gripping point of the show Is the characters. Its also incredibly progressive with having many LGBTQ+ and neurodivergent coded characters (one of which is canon, The creator confirmed that Donnie has autism which is just such good rep like what). As well, a few of the characters and storytelling tactics were inspired by community and if you liked that id defiantly recommend this, as well as watching community fully if you haven't because ISTG it is so good. This show has no business being so emotional and funny and creative for what it is. Also its part of the unjustly-cancelled-because-big-Hollywood-was-scared-of-what-would-happen-if-it-reached-it's-full-potential gang but could be re-picked up if enough people start talking about it!
@@AthenaPOfficial By the finale I meant that I wasn't a fan of the Diamonds' being redeemed. But besides that, I did kinda enjoy it. The movie slapped, made me happy! And SU: Future was a mixed bag. I cried once I binged watched the whole series for once and finally watched the movie. But yes, the songs were good lol
Idk if you're doing a part two to this, but a show I'd recommend is Ever After High. Definitely start with the first episode for context but if your not hooked then try season 4 episode 1.
I have the same problem with the owl house 😭 I just can't like it, but I can't think of any reason on why I don't. I just can't. I'm absolutely obsessed with Amphibia though
i totally get not liking the owl house. it's (clearly) my favorite show, but your criticisms are 1000% valid. i honestly agree with a lot of them. i've loved hooty since day 1 and i hated how everyone treated him prior to "knock knock knockin' on hooty's door". as other people have said, part of the reason it feels so rushed is because the show was given a limited amount of time to do what it had to do after they cut season 2 short. besides, your opinions of a lot of the other shows i enjoy were relatively high, so i can't complain too much.
If you ever do another one of these videos I suggest Degrassi The Next Generation s4 episodes 7&8 Time Stands Still (the storylines are often split between two episodes that are 20 minutes each). There’s a lot of really famous episodes but I would suggest this one if you’re not starting from the beginning because it’s a storyline a lot of non degrassi watchers are familiar with already (Drake’s character jimmy).
Your videos always make me laugh, I hope you make another of these! If you do or are bored, I recommend the "Degrassi" franchise, it's like an educational trashy soap opera. For Next Generation I think the first two episodes would be a good start, the first and second episode on s2 is good too and don't need much explanation but a very fun episode would be s3 and ep53 with references from the breakfast club and just teenagers being teenagers, from what I remember the stakes are very low in that one. The original 70s one for Degrassi junior high would be "Dog Days" ( I do not remember the episode number sorry) and Degrassi high would be Show Time Part 1 and 2.
I highly recommending watching OFMD past the first episode, the dynamic gets SO much better when Blackbeard enters the dynamic and it genuinely pulls at your heartstrings
Came here from the other video and when she read those comments abt the owl house my jaw DROPPED 😭 no way yall are this serious about a tv show- like I like TOH but not enough to harass people about it 🙂
Miraculous gets a lot better and more fleshed out later on and there is so much LORE.....except season 4. Here's hoping season 5 gets back on track Also once upon a time gets a bit crazy with its relationship0s and family ties but its fun imo
as someone who's a fan of Criminal Minds (I knew exactly which episode you were talking about based entirely off the info "season 2, small town vibes, everyone has secrets") so uh vety confident when I say everything you said about it is accurate lmao. also, not a great episode to start on, but the general vibe is the same pretty much not matter what.
I know im late to this comment by a year but im currently hyperfixated on CM like it is literally my comfort show and i totally agree with all the points she mentioned... the transitions and the quotes are some of my favorite parts of it because they're just SO GOOFY and also the episode she was told to watch wasn't the best representation for the show (Fr when she said "season 2" i instantly thought revelations and was gonna be scared for her but somehow the one she chose was even worse) but overall the show kindaaa stays consistent and definitely SHOULDNT be my favorite show but idk my brain chose this one so i guess im stuck with it 😭
Me too! I think people misunderstood my criticisms in the owl house section bc regardless of all that I think Disney’s stifling of the show is terrible and it deserves the time it needs to be told
@@AthenaPOfficial hey!... um a little late... But... I think you should watch season three of the owl house! Idk if you fully watched season 2 or not (if you haven't then please do) but the first episode of season three came out in October! The episode is 46 minutes long so it might take some time but... I really want to see your thoughts on the episode!
Some episodes of South Park you should REALLY watch is Make Love Not Warcraft, You’re Getting Old, Assburgers, Raisins, Butters’ Very Own Episode, Scott Tenorman Must Die, and Osama Bin Laden Has Farty Pants. These episodes are awesome. Give ‘em a try!
Everyone’s taking about The Owl House, but no one’s talking about Our Flag Means Death ?? Girl trust me when I tell you I GET IT, I too find it really hard to stand cruelty against genuinely kind characters - however, trust me as well when I tell you IT DELIVERS. I do not want to spoil anything, but it’s absolutely worth finishing the season - because you haven’t yet been introduced to a character which changes everything (for the better). You’re in for great surprises. Also, I’mma be honest, I much prefer season 1 of The Owl House than Season 2. People are always saying “ohh Season 2 is where it REALLY gets good”, and I always think…. is it really ? It just chooses a weak story direction, and idk it just doesn’t seem to even know what it wants to be (a very common problem with modern cartoons - looking at you SU). Season 1 is great, though - it might be more slice of life, but it’s just much more cohesive and deals with world building pretty well (something I can’t really say about Season 2). Also also, I f*cking despise Steven Universe past Season 3. It’s just so, so bad. Absolutely abominable writing.
your feelings about the owl house are valid, im a bi puerto rican person and when i heard luc was a bi latina protag i was happy but the show just doesnt for me
Wow, I actually came across someone like me who likes Amphibia more than The Owl House. It feels great. I don't know, the story, humor, and characters in The Owl House just don't click for me in the same way as they do in Amphibia. And yes, I did watch all the seasons for The Owl House.
Heartstopper is probably the best adaptation ive ever seen. I think cuz Alice Osman helped produce it. ANyway Tori is a god and I cant wait for a Solitaire movie/series. And i found most of the season one episode of TOH boring, like non-story related episodes. I think thats why i LITERALLY SKIPPED HALF OF AMPHIBIA just for the story. ik this is a year later but if you finished the series after it got cancelled, its fantastic, the Finale is everything, Hunter and The Collector are everything, Lumity is everything, its amazing
24:16 you're probably right about this sentence. Season 1 is very slow for me too, but I got through it because I binged it in two nights. Season 2 is my comfort show, not season 1. I will say, you're amphibia is my owl house, and my amphibia is your owl house, as in, Amphibia also just didn't click for me. Also yes, She Ra is love, She Ra is life.
I came back to let you know that season 2 episode 8 (I think, it could be 9) of owl house is an entire episode dedicated to hootie and him solving everyone else’s problems
I also really enjoyed the first season of once, it was difficult to find the time to watch those long episodes. After season one though, it gets a little more confusing, and you start getting mad at the characters. I think the series was going on for the duration of multiple writer's strikes, so parts of it were probably written by directors and actors, but overall, I really like it.
I have 2 things I have to say after rewatching this video a few times: 1. What’s the cartoon you showed at 19:14 2. I know this technically might not count as a show to you but you should check out Megaton Girl
Jim Hensons, the story teller was always special to me… beautiful stories and fables from cultures around the world, brought to life by Jim Henson, “Hans, my Hedgehog” is a good start and it’s episode one, I think it’s on UA-cam…. A series that is much harder to find, but pushed the boundaries of controversy with not only its subject matter, but premise, was Wondershowzen, you should also start with episode one, I think it’s titled Mexico… Season two was rushed and is utter garbage, but the first season was a masterpiece
Oh my god Athena, you are literally speaking through my brain right now lol! Amphibia is my favorite show in the whole entire world, and as a pansexual witch Halloween lover I should adore TOH, and although I do love it, it’s the same thing that you are saying!!!! There’s just something missing from that click. I’ve never had a video resonate with me so much with that haha 😆 Like I watched every episode of the owl house and I like some of the characters a lot, even relate to them, but I just can’t be into it the way I’m into Amphibia! 🤷♀️
I understand why you wouldn't like the owl house at first. I didn't love season 1 very much. It felt dull but it really picks up in season 2, so I think it's worth it to watch till the end and then get back to us. If you still don't like it by then that is understandable.👍
Season 11 Episode 4 of Criminal Minds is the one that gave me nightmares. The criminal is called "Squeegel" and it's super creepy. You should watch that episode
honestly the show im mad about your rating of is one you didnt even officially rank. people always talk so much shit about steven universe future but its genuinely my favorite show ever, specifically future and not just su in general, but i do love su in general. its mainly cause i relate heavily to steven in it though, among other things
Honestly I was always hesitant about Miraculous. I heard reviews on how the story drops the ball in several places but at the same time I heard it has people that worked on Code Lyoko in it as well which is a plus but Miraculous seems a little too bright to me. It’s not a problem I just tend to prefer darker storylines like the aforementioned Code Lyoko. The way you describe it makes and it seem like a Yumi and Ulrich situation again which I am fine with on a weekly basis but watching episodes back to back of will they or will they not is a little much. I will say though the premise is very interesting and I do love the concepts that they use so I might give it a chance later. Especially since you put it on C tier after season 3 which from what I heard is the worst season. Gives me a bottom line to work with.
ok as a south park fan: fair assessment. HOWEVER i swear on my rear end this show has its good moments if you ever decide to check it out again i would HIGHLY suggest either the first episode, Kenny Dies, or Butters Very Own Episode [or whatever its called] because sometimes its good. i really wish that follower reccomended one of the actually good or funny episodes like damn
Around 16:20, what's the show she recommended for us to watch because I can't find anything that looks like the image that comes up when I search "Stand Division fan made"-- Update: In the middle of typing this, I decided to search "fanmade division episode 1" directly on UA-cam and found it by Gemtrovert. There's only two episodes tho D:
I understand, Season 1 is definitely not the best, but Season 2 is simply amazing, just saying if you wanna watch and give the show another chance. But I understand, it's not for everyone.
Everything you said about The Owl House was so valid and I'm sorry for the hate comments you got on this video. I'm a new subscriber and I'm binging all of your videos, and so far I have yet to disagree with you on anything. I love The Owl House with my whole heart, but the first season was flawed as heck. Sorry not sorry to the stans, but you *KNOW* Dana Terrace would hate the amount of toxicity within the fandom if she saw these comments. Atrocious, be ashamed of yourselves.
Seriously. It’s honestly embarrassing having some fans of TOH who can’t take criticism easily. There’s nothing wrong with someone disliking your show, so why be rude about it 😕
19:00 SAME Also I'm not making a cartoon right now but I want to when I'm an adult so thank you for that heads up, I am making a Dexter's Laboratory fancomic right now though
I think another reason why you might hit the Owl House is because it feels rushed and that's because Disney canceled it so they had to rush the story
Personally, I don’t think it feels all that rushed, more that they got the news in the middle of making season two and had to rewrite a couple of things on the fly. I think it worked. Also, it wasn’t cancelled, Disney slashed the third season
yeah it was canceled be Disney becaus thar homaphobic.
They didnt get cancelled until after season 1 and season 1 feels very rushed and forced
@@littlemrsmods7998 I think it was cancelled at some point during season 1's airing, and season 2's production. That's why some of season 2's episodes feel rushed because of them being condensed from 2 full seasons (season 2 and 3) to one season and three one hour specials.
Best way to feel good about the owl house hate Disney
I didn't think I'd like Owl House as much as I did, but especially once Season Two started and King got more development, and Hunter was involved more, I just immediately fell in love with it. I'm a sucker for the found family trope and especially for the "these kids are traumatized and the only adults in their life don't know how to deal with it at all" version.
I felt the same with the dynamic part at first, but when I went back and watched it, it kind of made sense, especially after we got some more context to Eda and Lilith's past and why Eda probably felt the way she did when she got to know Luz even just a tiny bit better. Season two sucker punched me straight in the face. We all had our suspicions, but some of it just comes out of nowhere, but not in a bad way. I'm explaining it really bad, mostly bc I'm still stuck all up in my feels, but holy shit. Just holy shit.
same but i like “these kids went through torture basically and the only adults they have hate them” more
I was there since the beginning
You’ve probably seen them, but ‘Hilda’, ‘Summer Camp Island’, ‘My Mad Fat Diary’.SOO GOOD
I’ve seen most of Hilda and Summer Camp Island but not My Mad Fat Diary!!! I’m intrigued!
@@AthenaPOfficial It’s such a good show, a little serious, but mostly light hearted. Taken from the perspective of a fat girl trying to live life normally after her psychiatric stay.
Yesss Hilda!!
I LOVE Summer camp island
With what you’ve watched of owl house I totally get it and was in the same boat BUTTTTT lemme tell you this show knows how to turn tropes on their head in the best way possible and I implore you to hold horses till the season 2 finale (and maybe make a video on it because there’s a Lot you could cover but who am I to judge I’m not your mom )
1,000,000/10 Show
@@TheRealPartyguy agreed-
That’s not even a little true. The tropes are so bad the characters are cringey and sound completely unnatural. And I don’t see whole season 2 makes a difference.. as if we need to start taking LGBTQ content like a drug that we are addicted to? I cannot help, but feel rubbed the wrong way when we are fet/sh/sed this way.
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 I actually really agree with the f3t/5h/z4t/0n part. As a queer person it still kinda irks me the wrong way when other members of the LGBTQIA+ community get baited by the blalant pandering from the cishet executives. I personally don't think that TOH is any sort of insensitive in that remark, though. It obviously does feature overused LGBT tropes especially in the main relationship between Luz and Amity (And don't get me started on the incredibly easily misinterpreted "Teenage Gay" trope. Really seems to intensify the "It's just a phase" arguments from cishet family) , but it's imo far from a lot of other "representation" in media.
@@inferno9218 lol which “teenage gay trope”? XD
I don’t like how amity becomes weak and Luz is now big strong 💪 and Amity feels safer around her? Like from a life or death standpoint not the emotionally vulnerable standpoint, I get that, but that doesn’t mean you ignore the magic and battle skills sHeS accumulated over the years.
I'm telling you right now, The Owl House season 2 is phenomenal, especially season 2B.
That's what I've been hearing! I gotta watch!!
@@AthenaPOfficial i think people are gay in it which has been really compelling me to watch it
@@rainybopz oh, they are, trust me. They are
I said the same thing about heartstopper before I watched it and now I’ve watched it 8 times and I bought solitaire and the first two volumes of the heartstopper graphic novels. To say I’m obsessed is an understatement.
Well I’ve watched it and read the godforsaken WebToon and my conclusion still remains the same. It’s honestly cringing and I don’t know why anyone would lay their eyes on a word of this. I feel like being proud of this is like been proud of a Wattpad. I’m looking at you *_After!_*
You should DEFINETLY watch Infinity Train next. Its such an amazing series with interesting themes and characters and so tightly written i think you would enjoy it so much
I think the joke with Hooty is that it's voiced by Alex Hirsch, creator of Gravity Falls and boyfriend of TOH creator Dana Terrace. He also voices King and a bunch of other characters in TOH, Gravity Falls, and even Amphibia. They poke fun at the horrible voice he uses for Hooty but the whole punching bag thing really goes away after Knock, Knock, Knockin' on Hooty's Door. A lot of the audience, myself included, couldn't stand him until that episode and onwards.
New sub! As an Owl House Fan, I honestly expected you to give it a C or a D with how the thumbnail played it up 😂
P.S: If I ever get my cartoon off the ground, I'll definitely hit you up for a role! I like your voice lol
Omg thank you so so much!!!! (Had to clickbait just a bit hahaha bc it’s not that I don’t like it I just expected to like it even more) and omg that means a lot to me thanks again!
I really think that you need to watch the entirety of TOH season 2!! I agree that season 1 isn't the greatest, and agree with many of the issues you had here, but Season 2 has possibly some of the quickest turnaround for a shows quality I've ever seen.
I actually dropped owl house after episode 16. I had completely different issues with the series. Although Hooty's role as "the punching bag" bothers me, I had way less of a problem with Hooty's role than I did with Willow's role. If I ever start a youtube channel, I will talk about season 1A Willow. Then I watched it again with my boyfriend because I saw how good the season 2 finale was via reviews. I think I skipped season 1 B entirely because my boyfriend just watches things without me and so we picked off at season 2 and I really like it now. My favorite thing is that I saw spoilers but I still get a bit blindsided by things because I think the only way to spoil the show is by summarizing it beat by beat. Hooty also gets justice there's an episode where the whole family has issues and he tries to help them and now he is my best friend's favorite character.
I'm torn, between the part of me that totally thinks that season 2 of the owl house is really good and it is my comfort show and needing to accept that sometimes a show doesn't click for a person. Anyways, all of the other takes are good, especially umbrella academy, that show made me cry like crazy. Also, you should watch the rest of she'ra it's a bop.
It's kind of my comfort show too.
I think the way you feel about TOH is the same way I feel about Amphibia, I didn't really love season 1, but it just got so much better in season 2 and season 3 was espectacular! So yh, definetly finish watching TOH
She-ra is my favorite show, considering it has diversity, life lessons
, a good plot line , Amazing characters, the characters have amazing relationships and, the characters are so relatable. I’m so glad that you like it to not many people like and say it’s over here rated. So it nice to know I’m not the only one who likes it🙂
Something that I find to be really interesting across the community is most people who love Amphibia don't like owl house and vice versa 🤣🤣 because I loved owl house (The story, the pacing, the characters) and I am struggling to get into Amphibia~ Can barely make it through episode one.
I Love Amphibia, She-Ra and The Owl House. If I’m being honest they might be my fav shows ever but I kinda agreed with you before on The Owl House, I used to not like it that much and something just felt off but I kept watching it anyways and now I’m addicted.
I agree, the owl house is good but a lot of the time the characters feel really cliché and evolve so quickly. The dialogues are also kind of stereotypical and shallow. Plus, i didn’t realize the punching humor thing until you mentioned it, but it’s true that it just feels violent and unnecessary, just like when Lilith punched Philip etc. I know people keep babying Amity and even though I like her, her character arc couldn’t have been more cheesy, sometimes I feel like I’m reading a bad fanfiction.. But yea I still appreciate the show for the world building and the relations between each characters, as well as some strong episodes
I mean, the point of Lilith punching Phillip was not necesseraly the joke, but to show how Phillip got the scar on his nose. I agree The Owl House is not perfect, especially Season 1. It has good episodes but also mediocre episodes as well. Season 2 on the other hand is amazing in my opinion, it almost has zero bad episodes. And about the characters evolving fast, they don't really have a choice, because of the cancellation of S3. The fact that they had to rush the story in S2 and still managed to make it this good is mindblowing.
Amity's character arc cheesy??
Can you elaborate on that please
OKAY SO, I suggested OFMD episode 1, but it’s def not the best episode. You should keep watching its so good, and SO GAY past the Pilot!! I’m sure you would like it if you kept watching :))
It was either you don’t have context, or you watch one of the worse episodes, and I think you would have enjoyed the worse episode more
Definitely gonna keep going! Your suggestion was spot on I did need the context first
@@AthenaPOfficial Please update on what you thought of there series, im curious to hear how you felt!
Omg you did ouat!!! That's one of my fav shows ever honestly and to see you do it is just it makes me so happy and your opinion is so close to mine and I respect it when I disagree
Eda started to like Luz because she helped King, I think
that and she just started seeing luz as her own kid
Just watched like 5 of your videos in a row and I love your vibes. The fact that you put Owl House in mid-ish A-tier and were prepared for a torrential downpour of hate for feeling like that would be too low? You get it. You get it. I'm subscribed.
But also, to be clear, PLEASE finish season two of Owl House and then I'll believe you if you still don't love it.
I feel like Centaurworld would be a good show to reccomend. Also this video alone made me realize that I've been a secret musical theater kid my whole life.
I love Centaurworld lol
They've stopped using Hooty as a punching bag by the end of season 2
Somehow I knew as soon as you said season 2 that he'd recommended *that* episode of Criminal Minds. Personally, I'd go with LDSK, but that may be because it has Timothy Omundson...
I thought he would recommend Revelations but somehow the one he chose is worse 😭all in all not the best episode to represent the show and id personally recommend something better but thats just me loll
Hey Athena fun fact: the creators of South Park also created one of my favourite musicals Book of Mormon
Great review Athena....even though my love for 'The Owl House" does not match you! LOL! 🤣I agree some shows were either to rushed, to cheesy, or some plots were not needed, but some shows had awesome turn outs! I need to do reviews on my channel, that'd be fun haha!
Talking about Amphibia, I CRIED for three days after watching the show’s finale, I genuinely loved everyone in there and every time I watch any bit of the show I wanna cry or tears start to appear
I totally get where you’re coming from on the Owl House. I originally started watching it because my sister loves it and I wanted to have something to talk with her about. I was nervous going in because I hate horror and that’s a big part of the show and at times it still puts me off but I started really digging the show by season 2.
Finding this video after The Owl House ended, maybe give it another shot? The show was a bit rushed cause Disney forced them to shorten it, but I think they did a great job with it, and the finale is *chefs kiss* wonderful. Also as an Owl House fan, I apologize for Owl House fans.
If you ever do another id definitely recommend ROTTMNT. Either Clothes Don't Make the Turtle, Mystic Library or Lair games. Its one of if not THE most dynamic and well animated western animation cartoons I have ever seen and the character dynamics and writing is SUPERB. The plot perfectly fine but the whole gripping point of the show Is the characters. Its also incredibly progressive with having many LGBTQ+ and neurodivergent coded characters (one of which is canon, The creator confirmed that Donnie has autism which is just such good rep like what). As well, a few of the characters and storytelling tactics were inspired by community and if you liked that id defiantly recommend this, as well as watching community fully if you haven't because ISTG it is so good. This show has no business being so emotional and funny and creative for what it is. Also its part of the unjustly-cancelled-because-big-Hollywood-was-scared-of-what-would-happen-if-it-reached-it's-full-potential gang but could be re-picked up if enough people start talking about it!
Amphibia is my favorite fun show of all time.
Steven Universe before trauma kicking in is my favorite Steven, my beloved adorable little baby.
Still upset over the finale, it did not deliver.
I like the main series finale and the movie but most of the time I pretend future doesn’t exist (except the songs I like from it hahaha)
@@AthenaPOfficial By the finale I meant that I wasn't a fan of the Diamonds' being redeemed. But besides that, I did kinda enjoy it. The movie slapped, made me happy! And SU: Future was a mixed bag. I cried once I binged watched the whole series for once and finally watched the movie.
But yes, the songs were good lol
Honestly, i agree hooty guts way too much hate but owl house is still my 2nd fav, amphibia 1st fav, no hate tho nice
Idk if you're doing a part two to this, but a show I'd recommend is Ever After High. Definitely start with the first episode for context but if your not hooked then try season 4 episode 1.
I am so happy you liked umbrella academy if the 3th season is coming out the 22 so its a good time to catch up.
I would suggest Doctor Who but start with Tom Baker cuz he's awesome
TRUE!
I have the same problem with the owl house 😭 I just can't like it, but I can't think of any reason on why I don't. I just can't.
I'm absolutely obsessed with Amphibia though
I really love Ducktales. The recent one, not the one from the 90s or whatever. It was so good, and full of references to old disney stuff.
i totally get not liking the owl house. it's (clearly) my favorite show, but your criticisms are 1000% valid. i honestly agree with a lot of them. i've loved hooty since day 1 and i hated how everyone treated him prior to "knock knock knockin' on hooty's door". as other people have said, part of the reason it feels so rushed is because the show was given a limited amount of time to do what it had to do after they cut season 2 short. besides, your opinions of a lot of the other shows i enjoy were relatively high, so i can't complain too much.
If you ever do another one of these videos I suggest Degrassi The Next Generation s4 episodes 7&8 Time Stands Still (the storylines are often split between two episodes that are 20 minutes each). There’s a lot of really famous episodes but I would suggest this one if you’re not starting from the beginning because it’s a storyline a lot of non degrassi watchers are familiar with already (Drake’s character jimmy).
season two of the owl house is when it actually gets good, you should definitely finish it!
Your videos always make me laugh, I hope you make another of these!
If you do or are bored, I recommend the "Degrassi" franchise, it's like an educational trashy soap opera. For Next Generation I think the first two episodes would be a good start, the first and second episode on s2 is good too and don't need much explanation but a very fun episode would be s3 and ep53 with references from the breakfast club and just teenagers being teenagers, from what I remember the stakes are very low in that one. The original 70s one for Degrassi junior high would be "Dog Days" ( I do not remember the episode number sorry) and Degrassi high would be Show Time Part 1 and 2.
I highly recommending watching OFMD past the first episode, the dynamic gets SO much better when Blackbeard enters the dynamic and it genuinely pulls at your heartstrings
Came here from the other video and when she read those comments abt the owl house my jaw DROPPED 😭 no way yall are this serious about a tv show- like I like TOH but not enough to harass people about it 🙂
Miraculous gets a lot better and more fleshed out later on and there is so much LORE.....except season 4. Here's hoping season 5 gets back on track
Also once upon a time gets a bit crazy with its relationship0s and family ties but its fun imo
as someone who's a fan of Criminal Minds (I knew exactly which episode you were talking about based entirely off the info "season 2, small town vibes, everyone has secrets") so uh vety confident when I say everything you said about it is accurate lmao. also, not a great episode to start on, but the general vibe is the same pretty much not matter what.
I know im late to this comment by a year but im currently hyperfixated on CM like it is literally my comfort show and i totally agree with all the points she mentioned... the transitions and the quotes are some of my favorite parts of it because they're just SO GOOFY and also the episode she was told to watch wasn't the best representation for the show (Fr when she said "season 2" i instantly thought revelations and was gonna be scared for her but somehow the one she chose was even worse) but overall the show kindaaa stays consistent and definitely SHOULDNT be my favorite show but idk my brain chose this one so i guess im stuck with it 😭
the only show i was hoping for s tier made it to s tier amphibia
I'm disappointed that season 3 of owl house was shortened
Me too! I think people misunderstood my criticisms in the owl house section bc regardless of all that I think Disney’s stifling of the show is terrible and it deserves the time it needs to be told
@@AthenaPOfficial hey!... um a little late... But... I think you should watch season three of the owl house! Idk if you fully watched season 2 or not (if you haven't then please do) but the first episode of season three came out in October! The episode is 46 minutes long so it might take some time but... I really want to see your thoughts on the episode!
Athenaaa don't worry it is my dream to make an animated tv show, and you are now top of my list for voice actors!
Icarly and South Park under miraculous tales of ladybug is criminal
You’re not wrong 😅
Some episodes of South Park you should REALLY watch is Make Love Not Warcraft, You’re Getting Old, Assburgers, Raisins, Butters’ Very Own Episode, Scott Tenorman Must Die, and Osama Bin Laden Has Farty Pants. These episodes are awesome. Give ‘em a try!
nah bc I was listening to this while drawing and you gave me a jumpscare at the steven universe section
hahaha dude funny seeing you here! amazing job with everything you do! I love your animations 👏👏
if you end up finishing any of these shows, id love to see full videos on your thoughts!
Everyone’s taking about The Owl House, but no one’s talking about Our Flag Means Death ?? Girl trust me when I tell you I GET IT, I too find it really hard to stand cruelty against genuinely kind characters - however, trust me as well when I tell you IT DELIVERS. I do not want to spoil anything, but it’s absolutely worth finishing the season - because you haven’t yet been introduced to a character which changes everything (for the better). You’re in for great surprises.
Also, I’mma be honest, I much prefer season 1 of The Owl House than Season 2. People are always saying “ohh Season 2 is where it REALLY gets good”, and I always think…. is it really ? It just chooses a weak story direction, and idk it just doesn’t seem to even know what it wants to be (a very common problem with modern cartoons - looking at you SU). Season 1 is great, though - it might be more slice of life, but it’s just much more cohesive and deals with world building pretty well (something I can’t really say about Season 2).
Also also, I f*cking despise Steven Universe past Season 3. It’s just so, so bad. Absolutely abominable writing.
your feelings about the owl house are valid, im a bi puerto rican person and when i heard luc was a bi latina protag i was happy but the show just doesnt for me
when you said Remedial Chaos Theory I literally got a shiver down my spine LMAO
Wow, I actually came across someone like me who likes Amphibia more than The Owl House. It feels great. I don't know, the story, humor, and characters in The Owl House just don't click for me in the same way as they do in Amphibia. And yes, I did watch all the seasons for The Owl House.
Kataro lives alone and Amphibia had my sobbing. Kataro lives Alone actually broke me, I don’t think my mental health can handle seeing it again
I think you should watch Dexter I like it and Heartstopper is the best show
I've watched Dexter it's WIIIIIILD
Heartstopper is probably the best adaptation ive ever seen. I think cuz Alice Osman helped produce it. ANyway Tori is a god and I cant wait for a Solitaire movie/series. And i found most of the season one episode of TOH boring, like non-story related episodes. I think thats why i LITERALLY SKIPPED HALF OF AMPHIBIA just for the story. ik this is a year later but if you finished the series after it got cancelled, its fantastic, the Finale is everything, Hunter and The Collector are everything, Lumity is everything, its amazing
I hope you do a part two of this someday, I have a suggestion or two in mind
24:16 you're probably right about this sentence. Season 1 is very slow for me too, but I got through it because I binged it in two nights. Season 2 is my comfort show, not season 1. I will say, you're amphibia is my owl house, and my amphibia is your owl house, as in, Amphibia also just didn't click for me. Also yes, She Ra is love, She Ra is life.
You should watch Heaven Official’s Blessing and my sister says that you should watch Cells at Work. Also, Heartstopper is the best.
"Unsolved mysteries" had me thinking my pregnant mom was going to get brutally murdered and I lost a lot of sleep over it.
I came back to let you know that season 2 episode 8 (I think, it could be 9) of owl house is an entire episode dedicated to hootie and him solving everyone else’s problems
I also really enjoyed the first season of once, it was difficult to find the time to watch those long episodes. After season one though, it gets a little more confusing, and you start getting mad at the characters. I think the series was going on for the duration of multiple writer's strikes, so parts of it were probably written by directors and actors, but overall, I really like it.
I have 2 things I have to say after rewatching this video a few times:
1. What’s the cartoon you showed at 19:14
2. I know this technically might not count as a show to you but you should check out Megaton Girl
Do a part 2!!!!! I want Warehouse 13 (cult classic) but not the first episode. Do one with Claudia, preferably with Steve. Also, PSYCH
Jim Hensons, the story teller was always special to me… beautiful stories and fables from cultures around the world, brought to life by Jim Henson, “Hans, my Hedgehog” is a good start and it’s episode one, I think it’s on UA-cam….
A series that is much harder to find, but pushed the boundaries of controversy with not only its subject matter, but premise, was Wondershowzen, you should also start with episode one, I think it’s titled Mexico… Season two was rushed and is utter garbage, but the first season was a masterpiece
I'm really late to this, but I really hope you finish Our Flag Means Death. I promise the characters aren't always miserable 😭
16:14 that unlocked a memory ingrained deep into my brain, hold on I gotta rewatch the entirety of SU
Oh yeah umbrella academy is one of the most bonkers shows I’ve ever watched it’s great
Also if you were crying at ep 1 it gets way worse the finale is devastating. OFMD really grows on you
OOOOOH S3 E4 IS THE BEST EPISODE IN THE SERIES ITS SOO GOODDDD
@@TSDTalks22 which show for s3 e4??
@@AthenaPOfficial community!
Tbh this is probably your the best makeup, I love it!
Kotaro is such a great show. I've watched it 3 times and still love it. If anyone knows where to get merc I would love that.
Oh my god Athena, you are literally speaking through my brain right now lol! Amphibia is my favorite show in the whole entire world, and as a pansexual witch Halloween lover I should adore TOH, and although I do love it, it’s the same thing that you are saying!!!! There’s just something missing from that click. I’ve never had a video resonate with me so much with that haha 😆 Like I watched every episode of the owl house and I like some of the characters a lot, even relate to them, but I just can’t be into it the way I’m into Amphibia! 🤷♀️
I understand why you wouldn't like the owl house at first. I didn't love season 1 very much. It felt dull but it really picks up in season 2, so I think it's worth it to watch till the end and then get back to us. If you still don't like it by then that is understandable.👍
Aw the Amazing World of Gumball aint on here :( these ratings r pretty good tho lol
If I ever make a cartoon I'll pay you to voice all the characters ✨
YES HOOTY PROTECTION IS NEEDED! LUCKILY HE HAS A FRIEND IN SEASON TWO AND IS MORE APPRECIATED!
8:42 since I’ve never watched Umbrella Academy, this was hilarious out of context. Like…pregnant? What???
Season 11 Episode 4 of Criminal Minds is the one that gave me nightmares. The criminal is called "Squeegel" and it's super creepy. You should watch that episode
honestly the show im mad about your rating of is one you didnt even officially rank. people always talk so much shit about steven universe future but its genuinely my favorite show ever, specifically future and not just su in general, but i do love su in general. its mainly cause i relate heavily to steven in it though, among other things
Honestly I was always hesitant about Miraculous. I heard reviews on how the story drops the ball in several places but at the same time I heard it has people that worked on Code Lyoko in it as well which is a plus but Miraculous seems a little too bright to me. It’s not a problem I just tend to prefer darker storylines like the aforementioned Code Lyoko. The way you describe it makes and it seem like a Yumi and Ulrich situation again which I am fine with on a weekly basis but watching episodes back to back of will they or will they not is a little much. I will say though the premise is very interesting and I do love the concepts that they use so I might give it a chance later. Especially since you put it on C tier after season 3 which from what I heard is the worst season. Gives me a bottom line to work with.
I get the owl house thing. I wasnt super into it at first, when it hit all my usual boxes. It just takes a bit!
Wow 🤩 we love a good tier list
Ayeee thanks so so much!
Supernatural is one of my biggest guilty pleasures, even if I've only watched 11 seasons
im so glad im not the only one who hated the hooty abuse in season 1
Watch duck tales 2017, I think you’d like it but idk I just started bingeing you lol
ok as a south park fan: fair assessment.
HOWEVER
i swear on my rear end this show has its good moments
if you ever decide to check it out again i would HIGHLY suggest either the first episode, Kenny Dies, or Butters Very Own Episode [or whatever its called] because sometimes its good.
i really wish that follower reccomended one of the actually good or funny episodes like damn
Around 16:20, what's the show she recommended for us to watch because I can't find anything that looks like the image that comes up when I search "Stand Division fan made"--
Update: In the middle of typing this, I decided to search "fanmade division episode 1" directly on UA-cam and found it by Gemtrovert. There's only two episodes tho D:
Well, Super Why is my comfort show and I'm fine with you saying Wiatt's a bad leader and the show doesn't make sense :)
STOP RUN IF MIRACULUS GETS A HOLD OF YOU ITS OVER. DONT BE LIKE ME AND LET SIMPLE COUROSITY Lead to browsing fan comics at 3:00AM
I can’t get the owl house to click for me either (a person who has watched Amphibia well over 5 times)
I understand, Season 1 is definitely not the best, but Season 2 is simply amazing, just saying if you wanna watch and give the show another chance. But I understand, it's not for everyone.
@@milansoltesz9395 definitely gotta watch season 2! Think that'll really 180 my opinion
“I didn’t do nothin” thanks Jigsaw. Also, that’s not how criminal responsibility works.
Everything you said about The Owl House was so valid and I'm sorry for the hate comments you got on this video. I'm a new subscriber and I'm binging all of your videos, and so far I have yet to disagree with you on anything. I love The Owl House with my whole heart, but the first season was flawed as heck. Sorry not sorry to the stans, but you *KNOW* Dana Terrace would hate the amount of toxicity within the fandom if she saw these comments. Atrocious, be ashamed of yourselves.
Seriously. It’s honestly embarrassing having some fans of TOH who can’t take criticism easily. There’s nothing wrong with someone disliking your show, so why be rude about it 😕
The static freckles 😆
19:00 SAME
Also I'm not making a cartoon right now but I want to when I'm an adult so thank you for that heads up, I am making a Dexter's Laboratory fancomic right now though
WHERES GRAVITY FALLS
IKR
In my opinion,Steven Universe Furure is really good-
But it makes me too sad.
Your makeup is AMAZING OMG💙📺
"spoiled me on THEcfamilial twist"... In Once Upon A Time.... Hahahaha hahaha which one