A look inside Peterborough's transitional housing program
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- Municipalities across Ontario are working to find solutions to the homelessness crisis. CBC’s Lorenda Reddekopp went to Peterborough to learn more about its transitional housing program, where city staff have turned a former parking lot into space to house nearly 50 people in modular cabins.
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2 million a year for 50 modular cabins, no kitchen no bathrooms? the math is not mathing
One million to build the sheds and one million to the corrupt liberals
@Damieno2you are so naive
They actually spent $1.4 million on the construction and setup for the modular cabins including a separate bathroom unit. The other million went towards $800k on site prep and $200k to renovate an existing city property in order to provide laundry facilities and a kitchenette.
Your right. It doesn't add up.2 million to maintain. Someone is making money on the side
Admin fees to those running it.
I would have preferred a news segment explaining why the costs are so high.
They can't say too much that would make the Liberals look bad because their paychecks depend on it!
Me to INEXCUSABLE!
Oh you know there's many talking heads skimming off the top
The municipality and fire department keeping things up to code im sure are not cheap. They had to redesign sea cans for human occupancy, I know.
You were I could do that in our backyard quite easily but there Is a ton of red tape i'm sure.
So what about sober homeless people? You can't mix sober people with users no one will get away from addiction like that. You need a sober lot and a lot for users. Foundation it around nature. It doesn't always have to be right in the middle of a city.
When Trailer Park boys is considered luxury living compared to this we are in trouble.
I'm sorry but nobody should be expected to pay $560/month for a shed in a government owned project.
people need to get to work - it s called being an adult
Those should be free as transitional housing until real housing is built
Cheap. You need to share a bedroom, washroom, and kitchen AND pay more in the private market plus utilities with no free food. These have separate entrances, ... Plus the rent will actually be covered by taxpayers through refugee assistance, odsp, or welfare.
@@clarifyingquestions the rents have skyrocketed out of control! We couldn't find a 2 bedroom for under two grand a month, $5000 first and last.. a single parent can't afford that, seniors can't afford that, young people cant afford it. So maybe you're lucky enough to have an awesome job making 40 an hour, but most of us don't
@darkbrightnorth no there shouldn't people who put them selves in harm should have to deal with consequences one being you apartment is a shed
i counted 52 tiny home some 2.5 million divided be 52 is aprox 48k per tiny home... for something that doesnt have water or kitchen. someone defo made a lot of money making those. could probably build those for 10k max, our tax spenders are jokes
And they are making these people pay rent for a $3000 shed , $500 per month!
Plus the yearly running costs which I would love to know how that adds up. Is it mostly staff cost or are these admins raking in $200k salaries?
@@sharinglungs3226 , yes! This has been going on in the UK, their government admits that the money is being mismanaged and the so called support for these drugs addicts is a joke…. It’s all a scam!
@@sharinglungs3226 security and other services like porta potties/sanitation, electricity, etc. plus yea there's a bunch of staff since the community hub it's part of is available to them 24/7.
If only they were tiny homes as they have no facilities. They are little more than shacks. They could have just bought camper trailers for $30k or so apiece. Since there are no facilities one supposes those are communal somewhere and probably where some (most?) of that budget went.
And for some reason they fitted each one with a baseboard heater and an air conditioner rather than a heat pump so they've pretty much ensured they've got themselves the most expensive means of heating around. Even so, I can't even fathom how this is all costing another $2M annually to run.
No kitchen or bathroom and have to pay over $500? That's ridiculous. Maybe $200 or $300 a month.
It should be 50 dollars
especially since taking them off the street already makes it thousands of dollars cheaper than just leaving them homeless and dealing with the public clean up and increased healthcare costs because being homeless makes you more at risk to illness and mental health issues, often the same issues that end up limiting their access to assistance are caused by homelessness, the government is being very slow at reversing a world wide policy of criminal negligence (or in some cases malice) to some specific illnesses and disabilities.
You probably spend more at Tim Hortons in a month. Have you got a better plan ?
@@rosieone5670Adding a bathroom and at least a cooktop? 🤷♀️
They have a kitchen and bathroom plus 1 mean a day in the main building right beside it and 24hr security and maintenance of the facilities. Could be a bit cheaper but this is a pilot program.
No idea how governments can spend 10x what should be required on these projects. 2.5 million for a concentration camp?
A concentration camp?? Seriously?
Stop trolling
@@ahhmm5381 Okay a little too far out there of a term, but they are essentially prison cells and clustered together like that in an out-of-the-way location, you are free to make your own inferences.
However, this is better than nothing so we really are at an impasse. Isn't a terrible solution better than no solution at all?
@@andrewmccoll1582 NOT a prison cell either, as residents can leave at will.
Scams, all of them.
Corruption
the fact that some has to pay 560 doillars to live in a box is nuts
yeah that is approaching renting a room in a roommates situation. I'm not against charging a nominal fee but i thought it would be more like $100-200.
You have only high building and maintenance costs to thank for that.
It’s not fixed, it’s based on a percentage of their income
But their income is probably welfare. @@dickdavidson3616
It is not about the space. It is about getting those who are struggling with homelessness due to addiction or other circumstances, to effect some change in their lives, so that they will be able to move out. It is unique in that the occupants can slowly reduce their drug dependency, rather than have them being taken up by the health care system at 10X the cost, pushing out other patients who need operations and other care. If someone can turn around their life and still pay rent, that is a win for society. They are not living on the street and if they can access a rehab program without having to be housed in a specialized facility, which is also a savings for the health care system.
There’s no peace in that area if they allow them to use drugs. If you have neighbours that are mentally ill it’s not safe for others.
I'm unsafe living near people in an apartment building who supposedly aren't mentally ill including the Superintendent
homeless paying $500??? jesus. what is the cost going into, theyre paying the salaries of the on-site staff watching them take drugs....
Not homeless paying it is the tax payer.
Drug consumption is allowed, but no violence policy. It sounds contradictory. 550 a month sound high for a homeless person.
Welfare, odsp, migrant/refugee assistance. All free through taxpayers.
Didn’t they say the rent was based on income?
How is it contradictory? You know it's possible to do drugs and be peaceful, right? You also understand that it's possible to be violent while sober? Or is that caricature burned so deeply into your mind after years of being propagandized that you cannot distinguish the two?
Meanwhile in reality, enabling drug abuse isn't working @@JPs-q1o
@@JPs-q1o Thank you! Now, if we could get that message across to those who still think "Reefer Madness" is a documentary.
Cheers from Peterborough
Im from Peterborough, and these "homes" are awful for our city. Only drug users use them and they actively use drugs downtown and in these "camps" which put the public at risk. These should NOT be allowed in ANY city.
Where are the churches in all of this..!?!? Peterborough has 50-60 churches PAYING NO TAXES on behemoth buildings, that are sitting on some of the most prime real-estate in the city..! Taxing the churches would MORE than cover the costs associated with these micro homes! I mean,...come on,...isn't this why we DON'T tax churches, because they're supposed to be helping the impoverished?
1:49 "There's a strict no-violence policy"
Yes, there's a no-violence policy outside the encampment too. It's called the law.
I bet they will eventually have a strict no murder policy too, after the firsg murder.😂
Over 2 million for storage sheds!? That’s crazy😮
On top of each person paying almost 600 per month. Something is definitely up
Almost 600 dollars to live in a shed, that's more than any of the first several places I lived when I first moved out on my own. I counted 50 sheds. If it cost two million to build this crap, that's 40,000 per shed, oh, sorry, I mean "modular cabin." This is both inhumane, and a massive scam.
Scam yes inhumane no they chose drugs over housing.
It costs $48000 to build but what is way worse is that it costs $40000 / year to maintain. It makes no sense.
Canadian Government should help their own ppl before helping other in another Country
The problem is that if the us loses reserve currency there will be no money because we have allowed all of it to go to our ruling class
Agreed. We just flushed $123 million down the drain in Haiti 3 weeks ago. I'd rather take our people off the streets. Even if the solution has issues at least it's trying something new
You can’t cook food ?!?!?! Expensive for a closet . Hope they will eventually get out of these office space .
Maybe there's a shared kitchen space? A microwave is a game changer. Certainty not the worse part of it.
This is a glorified jail cell. Why not just build more shelters. Those things should be free to the public so no one sleeps on the streets.
There is too much violence from mental illness and drug abuse in the shelters… that’s why many people sleep on the streets. These people are almost beyond help, they are run by their addiction.
@@annetoronto5474 I disagree. It all starts with mental illness which I feel the government health system should be addressing. When a person's trauma, mental illness isn't being helped then one may turn to drugs to relieve the pain, hence addiction. The cost of addiction ends with homelessness. Get to the root - mental illness.
@@CharCanuck14 Trudeau government making drugs legal and accessible doesn’t help, especially since the root to mental illness is stress, and stress is often caused by financial problems. Trudeau government is to blame for a lot of societal problems, lack of healthcare, housing shortages, soft on crime, access to drugs instead of help.
@@annetoronto5474 Can't fully agree with you. The legalization & accessibility of cannabis has nothing to do with the issues we're talking about. I DO fully agree with you about the lack of healthcare.....especially mental health care. I speak of this through experience as I had/have mental health issues as well as being a former opioid addict who experienced homelessness twice. My daughter is a psychiatric nurse who sees this lack of health care all the time. BTW.....I'm a retired RN, so those 3 issues could happen to any of us.
I'm glad that we're talking about this Anne....thank you for your comments.
One woman said she was already a fentanyl addict BEFORE she became homeless. Yet drug use is allowed here. Does no one see the problem? Only non-druggies should be getting these homes! Then they would be an incentive to get clean. There ARE people with no addictions or mental health problems who wind up on the street, due to catastrophic financial reverses. Help them first, because with a bit of help, they'll quickly get back on their feet & age out of the system. 👍🏻
Most homeless people are alcoholics... You gonna ban alcohol too?
More than 500 bucks for a tin can without sanitary? A slightly improved version of four penny coffins! Since when lesser than a prison cell is considered as a house? While in some countries, there is simply no homelessness due to home as a basic right, here, we start extorting even homeless people…
Crackshacks aren't the solution. Now the junkies are "out of sight, out of mind".
560 a month is disgusting ,, not even a washroom
There's a lot of money in homelessness. It'll never go away.
2.5 mill per year to operate? probably 2 mill for middle men 😊
Would be cheaper to operate a condo building... 😅
My condo building probably operate less than 2.5m... 😅
The city gets rent.
The gullibility of most y’all with your comments is staggering. Wake up. Money is being proffered from these programs for homeless. Do the math literary
Lots of bleading hearts.
It's a shame, it look likes a shanty town or a "favela" in Brazil, Canada can't allow it those people must have proper housing.
Then they should quit drugs and get a job.
A storage room without a shower,kitchen etc is now consider a home in canada.
They gonna have us living in these in 5 years saying “this is the new affordable housing we’ve made for the youth and no you can’t own a car”
Is this really housing first when there are no washroom/bathing and cooking facilities in unit? Can that even be something you charge money for as a "rental" this sets the standard for the landlords otherwise they'll likely follow suit. I'm glad it's private and it's warm and has windows but you can buy a used seacan for $500 online so basically with less than a month's rent they could purchase one of these outright. Can we please do better and treat people like humans instead of providing coffins with a view
Even a small boat..
I guess my main question is, how many people could you fit on this land by building a couple of lowrise with mainly bachelor sized apartments? everyone could have their own washroom, kitchenette, still pay their little 500 dollars a month and be actually housed. With two ten floor low rises im sure you could triple the amount of folks being helped here, and give them a better quality of life.
The city needs the money to build it from the Conservative provincial government and the Liberal federal governments who only cater to the most wealthy. Peterborough already needs 122 million for upkeep and repairs of current social housing.
A room... Didn't see any showers, washrooms, kitchens...?
There were non
A room that's warm in the winter & cool in the summer, with a bed off the ground.....a step up from the tent that many called home - a tent with no showers, washrooms, kitchens, fridges or locks. I'd say this is a good start for those residents of Peterborough.
How do homeless people even afford $500 a month?
Homeless doesn't necessarily mean unemployed.
Just the security, where your things don't get stolen is probably worth a decent amount.
@@ahhmm5381they don't even own $500 worth of stuff
really? there's SOO MANY homeless people who work full time jobs these days. People who live in their cars for instance and shower in gyms. It's what replaced the dead "middle class" known as the working poor.
Welfare payments. Won't have much to live on.
Welfare so tax payer.
$500.+ a month rent!!! Who is getting the profits??? Insane!!!
They should really provide a supervised communal kitchen and bathroom space nearby for the same price or else reduce the rent to $200/month.
Taxpayers are paying rent anyways thru welfare, odsp, mugrant/refugee programs.
It does have that... Still, they're asking too much money anyways. These people are straight off the streets! Should be a few months of FREE rent followed by either something like $300 ($10 / day) rent, or if you don't have a job yet, perhaps you are required to do some service work within the little community, say 1 - 2 hours each day, to pull your weight (would help to slowly get rid of the "staff" of this place, who could then move on to help set up the NEXT tiny-homes community, because lord knows we need a lot more of these if we're to even half-way solve our homelessness issues).
$500/mo. To live in a shed ?!?
Come on Canada, we can do better than that.
Why doesn’t the Federal Govt. buy hotels, 1 in each queen city and let the homeless live there.
It would be far better than a shed and probably cheaper...
This is NOT an unambiguous success story- folk are *paying hundreds* per month to be‘housed’ in garden sheds. There are much better & more dignified tiny home community models out there. Good grief. A harm reduction approach is laudable but these units are less space than a horse would be stabled in. Canada must do better than this.
Better than the streets. They are garden sheds with heating, AC, a pantry, a bed, and locked door. Clearly somebody took the time to figure out the most important needs for the homeless: security for self and essential possessions, protection from extreme temperatures, sleep, and sustenance.
@@JPs-q1o You're right ~ this wasn't brought together overnight. A lot of time & thought was put into it. Same with our harm reduction centre. I see our city as actively caring for people without housing & those with addiction issues. Now, if our government would properly deal with the mental health issues, which are usually the basis of addiction that leads to homelessness.
why noboby asked about how they use toilet or even wash hands.
Probably something communal
This is not the success story this people think it is. If it was free then maybe, but in this case, it is a very poor policy to "help" people in transition.
Yet people in jail in prison get to live for free… life is a joke🤦🏻♂️
Housing First is the way to go.
You're setting a great example Peterborough.
How? This project is a waste of money. These people need real help!
@@annetoronto5474 Yes, starting with housing.
What do you propose?
@@1964mcqueen , they need to get these drugs out of our country, communities, and get these people rehab.
@@annetoronto5474 rehab costs WAYY more than these days, although I agree that should be the ultimate goal. However "get them out of the country" is literally never going to happen. That's simply unrealistic. The ONLY way we're going to actually combat the problem is to decriminalize drugs, and produce them ourselves and make sure that addicts are taking clean medical grade stuff from doctors who can convince them to get help instead of the dirty as hell street stuff that's been cut and laced with god knows what. The Mexican cartels buy the precursor drugs from Chinese drug synthesizers and then cook it in the jungle and smuggle it up into the US and here. There's only 1 way to combat that and it's to offer them a cleaner product and cut them out entirely. ONLY THEN will we be able to convince addicts to get into treatment, which btw is SORELY lacking. We need *significantly* more treatment and addiction centers before that would be possible too.
@@tinadixon8186 OK, so you would have them stay in their tents until we build enough housing to clear up the 15 year wait-list, to put them in public housing that has none of the supports, nor the security that these transitional units have.
Did you even listen to the video?
The Federal Govt. should be purchasing hotels, 1 in each queen city and the Provincial Govt. should be staffing it. People having to live alone in a shed isn’t a very good solution. At least in a hotel you could have a room on each floor with a doctor, nurses and trained professionals. Whats happening now is a bad joke and the homeless and tax payers are the punchline.
Why should the tax payer buy hotels to support junkies?
I think the liberal minister for housing should spend 2 weeks living in one of those little homes.It would give him a good insight and what's just going on.
😅
Lies and lies upon jokes and jokes.
Unreal.
All this effort to help individual's get on their feet again, is just not enough.
Where is the counseling rather than allowing drug use?
This is an internment camp
i was sure a "house" included a way to cook, crap and shower.. wtf. where is the actual affordable housing? thats BS!
It's better than nothing, but holy crap they could had raised the bar a little more.
2 mil, so 40 k a year per unit. Plus what they pay. Doesnt seem very efficient. I know tiny houses are trendy. But are they really more efficient then an apartment building. Or a motel style building.
Nope
No - but trailer type rvs would have been cheaper than this- with the possibility of bathroom. I don’t understand why they spent this much - they could have double the units buying fully equipment 16-18 foot trailers with furniture incorporated…
@@christinaserpa3306 Or retrofitted a bunch of old shipping containers.
Raw cost of materials is mild, most of the cost is wrapped up in labour and bureaucracy.
$500 is too much
$566 a month?!?!
Canada’s new middle class
no, they are not homes... they are shipping containers
$500 no bathroom lol
Tiny prisons row by row. What's next?
ze bugs?
What a dystopian way to live...
Do those buildings have NO INSULATION???
They ruined it by making it a drug den
Is there any way to donate to this program?
@deadheat LOL They are culling us You forget history >
You already are paying for this with taxes!
Why?
@Damieno2liar
@Damieno2 The service corporation CANADA and ALL it's employees or family members does not live like this They gave free shots to lemming +":>
Given that Ontario works only gives people 733$ a month for a singular person, 500$ is way too much to be charging people.
I'm sorry 500 a MONTH? JESUS, that's too much for those.
Now this is an open air prison, cell blocks right next to each other no bathroom no kitchen no garden and surrounded by simps who are the source of homeless people suburbia.
Uhhh nope. Usually you arn't free to leave a prison.
560 a month for a shed. Can we just remove everyone in government and restart this is a nightmare 🙄🙄🙄
🇨🇦 under Trudeau 🤡💩 , and we spent $2Billion on Ukraine.
Russian bot spotted.
Remember, this is transitional housing. Transitional. It means they are trying to transition from being homeless to being a contributing member of society. Giving them rent free or next to nothing accomodations won't help at all. Rent geared towards income is the way to go. Hopefully they will take advantage of the services offered and get their lives turned around.
How do you think that is going to happen when drug use is allowed. Drugs is what got them there in the first place.
Great idea, tiny home communities + specific services to assist homeless people get back on their feet & join society as valuable & productive members. Hope these type of projects continue to grow & spread through out Canada.
It's about ripping off the tax payers not helping anybody. How is supporting drug use helping anybody?
cool, but addressing the symptom instead of the cause. make housing and rent cheaper and there will be less homeless people.
In Trudeau's Canada you can own this lovely home for a mear $700,000 can dollars
That rent is hilariously ridiculous for a literal shed.
2 mil a year to operate!! crazy.
$3333/month per cabin. It is more than crazy.
Canada's newest lucrative industry. Want to make over 300k a year? Start a nonprofit for the homeless.
I’m seeing plenty of comments about costs, funding but not much about how this project is helping people. This is a start to helping people move onto better things for their lives. 560$ a month compared to 2500$ is a deal. Not many people who are homeless choose to be homeless. I’m sure most of the negative commentators are not seeing the true benefits to this project.
The fact is, homelessness in Canada is on the rise. Local, provincial and federal governments must address this is with realistic and sensible ideas to maintain some form of dignity for the homeless. If you think 2 million is too much money, look into what it costs to pave a street, or put in a light post.
I would rather tax dollars go towards a project to house the homeless, rather than seeing a tent city with drug addiction, mental illness and violence.
Yes it is a choice when they decided to choose to be a drug addict. Choosing drugs over a job that pays rent was and is their choice. Why should tax payers pay anything for their bad choices?
I pay a little over what she pays for an actual apartment in small town Alberta. This is insane.
Affluent Trudeau towns
Wish we could guarantee these ONLY would go to lifelong Canadians.
Well this is our Canada you used to be able to pay $550 for mortgage and now you pay $550 and you get a little small shed that you can buy at your local hardware store for five grand.
Treating people like dogs, that’s what this is.
Dogs have more respect for themselves than these drug users have.
Why do people think they are intitled to free hand outs. Everybody that has a home and works hard to keep it and put food on the table works hard. Not lazing around high all day stealing, begging, and other things for drugs. If you want housing earn it like everybody else get off the drugs.
@@highwayhydroponics5823 You're not better than them.
@@jamesbowman639Yes I am speak for yourself. I choose to work and be a good person not steal and beg because of drugs. Not rip families apart over drugs. I'm not a burden on others because of drugs. So yes I am better.
This messed up thats not cool it's missing a few things to be able even have it called liveable
A crock pot can do most cooking, especially on the street.
They have a kitchen.
@@jamesbowman6391:27 "No cooking facilities inside unit", so maybe there's a communal kitchen?
This is amazing! A Great program that I hope gets more funding and is adopted by more governments
Your so naive
At $3333/month ?
No overnight visitors WTF?!!!
compared to living outdoors in winter, I am sure the homeless is much safer here. It's certainly better than nothing. I see the suffering of a young man on the streets on Chemong Rd near Wendy's often and I hope he gets one of these so he can be safe and maybe make some friends. I help him with little I have on my pension. I pray for him everyday.
10 years ago u could find 1bedroom apartments for $600. Now u get a shed with no bathroom or kitchen😂 thanks Trudeau
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@@jamesbowman639 ?
FIGHTING : Your first fight is your last night. This is an excellent program that will save us on OHIP costs, crime and deaths or violence.
Get Orillia to do this please so we can help these people and save money.
2m per year is A LOT less than it would cost if these people were on the streets. If they were on the streets there's policing costs, hospital costs, security costs if they try to find shelter in areas they shouldn't be, theft costs, etc. Lowering the crime rate, increasing outreach so these people can get off drugs, kicking out violent offenders. Hopefully Mr. Ford doesn't put an end to another good project and give the money to his crony developer friends instead.
U must be very young to have this mentality. I'm assuming about 13-14?
@@Ttttg-c3fIt's just reality.
That is for 50 cabins so $3333/month per cabin. Is that reasonable ?
Peterborough, smart move!!! These little transitional homes are 1000X better than encampments or park camping… As for paying, they are on welfare. A portion of welfare is intended for rent. This transitional housing is a better idea than anything else I’ve heard of in Canada.
Have you looked at the numbers ? $3333/month per cabin on top of the initial cost to build them.
❤❤❤❤❤❤ wonderful , thanks for The Mayor and all the support from so many fabulous people
And the clients themselves for helping themselves climb out of there struggles and achieve their goals and aspirations.
Contract to the highest bidder! Tax money @ work
They are concentration camps 😢😢😢
Finally some creative thinking beyond the rivers of words by politicians.
Would Ukrainian refugees live in these...what do you think??
The pallet homes have been set up in Lower Sackville Nova Scotia just outside of Halifax. The tent encampment in the community and Halifax were dismantled and some people went to shelters and some were chosen to go into the pallet homes. This just come about last week, residents in the area are not happy they set this up without their approval, it’s in a former church parking lot and is monitored 24-7 also fenced in. I’m hopeful it works out for everyone.
Right at the end they show the big empty space behind the reporter. How about tiny houses there?
So not refund this place it's a joke
It seems these are people involved in drugs n are hoping to drop them. Yrying to get to society n their family. But the cost is high since some apartment that are for others are the sane n they got kritchen n bathrooms. But i guess this heps them to stay out of the cold. Where r all the charity groups that support this type of support. 😮
that math aint mathin. I work in an actual low income building in BC and tenants here pay $375. Its a studio apartment with a bathroom that has a shower. Laundry is done in a common area laundry room. They used old C-Cans to frame the rooms. Not only is this quick & cheap. It would take way longer for any fire damage to spread.
There’s similar ones in Kitchener
ALL cities should do this!
Build shantytowns.
@@shauncameron8390 better than whats there now...
$3333/month on top of the initial cost to build them ? 2 million per year / 50 cabins / 12 months = $3333/month
Your videos always make my day. Keep shining!
This is what up 30% of Canadian housing will look like after the social credit score system is established.