Hi drach, What is your opinion of Admiral Yamamoto? I've been reading about him lately and the most recent pieces seem to make him out as a nationalistic, war hungry lunatic who thought the Japanese could just march into Washington. I always thought of him as a solid professional officer with a touch of the Warp in how accurately he predicted the course of the war. Is there any chance we could get a Wednesday special about him?
Two-part question. Number one were the ships that were used for the breakers old transports, or were they just decommissioned military ships? Part 2: what was the majority of the AAU used during this time on this harbor? Would it be british, or American?
Drach, we know you're an engineer at heart. So are many of your viewers. If you want to do the six hour extended version of this video, we will watch it!
I cracked up at this line. "Taking a collection of mad scientists, garden shed inventors, young troublemakers, pyromaniacs and cat herders and giving them all a warehouse full of interesting spare parts and after locking them up in there telling them if they came up with something interesting to help them beat the Nazis there might be a second or possibly even a third warehouse in it for them." Reminds me of people I knew who went to MIT.
The Directorate of Miscellaneous Weapons Development (RN) and the Ministry of Defence/Army agency MD1 (intially MIRc,) were parallel organizations, both of which were staffed with collections of mad scientists, garden shed inventors, young troublemakers, pyromaniacs and cat herders. MD1 developed the Limpet Mine, the Blacker Bombard spigot mortar, a remarkably wide range of mechanical detonating devices for engineers, saboteurs, and boobytrappers, and the PIAT. DMWD were the people who developed the Hedgehog forward-throwing anti-submarine weapon, the Squid anti-submarine mortar, and the first practical system for degaussing ships as a defense against magnetically-detonated mines. DMDW also developed the Holman Projector, which was, as for as I know, the only steam-powered anti-aircraft weapon ever used in naval warfare, and so-called "plastic armour," which were hollow steel panels filled with gravel and bitumen, intended to provide splinter protection to critical areas on merchant and fishing vessels taken into government service, as well as on lighter vessels such as landing craft produced without any armor.
I have always loved how the British do inventors. Most countries have these misunderstood geniuses who overcome naysayers with hard work. Britain has lunatics with sheds.
And then organising them under groups such as "The Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development". Brilliant. While credit is due to the Americans, they didn't generate the same hilarious stories as a bunch of mad cap British eccentrics throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks
My grandmother was a Wren serving in Lord Mountbatten's staff and she would have confirmed that it was a blast working for him. He treated his staff excellently and she was very sad when her tour came to an end. My father has a signed and messaged book he gave to my grandmother as a leaving gift.
Given Mountbatten's known - ahem - "popularity with the ladies" I wonder if your grandmother censored the reason she was so sad when her tour ended ...
I'm glad he treated your grandmother well. But he was a piece of s*** pedophile. He spent a lot of time in Ireland because that's where he would find boys. He was actually warned by MI5 to stay out of Ireland because of the danger of the IRA. He ignored them went anyway and they killed him. I'm glad he treated his staff well but he wasn't a good person. None of these royals are
One of my neighbors growing up had been the CO of an LCT during the great storm. She was blown ashore and had to wait for weeks to be salvaged. Due to fear of Luftwaffe attacks, no lights were to be shown at night and they were to lie low. Then, one night, it happened. Around dusk, first one ship, then another began firing, soon grounded vessels and Army AA batteries joined in. Artillery roared, small arms rattled and tracers sped into the night. Off shore, even the battleships and cruisers were giving their all. Flares and star shells illuminated a surreal scene. Convinced the Germans had broken through, and were headed to the beach, my neighbor sounded general quarters and rifles and submachine guns were issued to all hands not manning a gun. My neighbor strapped on his 45, determined to "take one with him." Then it occurred to someone to look at the calendar when making an entry into the log and yelled the news. That's how my neighbor and thousands of his brothers in arms celebrated July 4, 1944.
And one on the Hamble at the Elephant boat yard, still used as an office by aptly, a shipping agent. There is also a big beast still on sinah sands in the entrance to Langstone harbour. It’s clearly visible on Google earth.
They are still there and as enormous as ever! The whole coast is worth a visit to remember this vital battle. NB - using similar technology, there were also cast concrete barges made for inland British waterways, so as to not use up steel, and three are still to be found partially submerged next to the Manchester Ship Canal at 53.39110160483134, -2.4954362884492767 - a good vid from a local lad about them can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/ExKPh9mszFE/v-deo.html
The Bureau of Miscellaneous Weapons Development sounds like a great place to work. These harbors are just one more example of the incredible effort it took to save the world from tyranny during WW2. Thanks for this video. To all those who saved the world, thanks guys.
American or "Yankee ingenuity" as one of my British coworkers called it, also helped the allies in WWI. Combat Engineering companies that rolled large rolls of chicken wire across the barbed wire that served as a barrier to entangle and slow the standard frontal infantry assault. AEF planners also implemented the 1st "rolling artillery barrages. Those two items helped keep the Germans pinned up in their shelters while American forces stormed the trenches faster than other allied forces up to that point, due to basically nullifying the effects of becoming entangled in the wire. Using those tactics successfully reduced the number of casualties and allowed the German lines to be pushed back with greater successes than any other previous tactics being used on the battlefield at that time.
I've heard of some German accounts that surrendered during D-Day when they saw the vast amounts of men and equipment that were coming onshore, they knew absolutely that the war was lost.
@@BHuang92 In the book and movie "The Longest Day." There is the raction of the German artillery officer seeing the fleet off shore. 😱 Side note: This was the first movie I remember where German and French was spoken with sub-titles, rather than having the actor speak English with an accent(Look at you "Sink the Bismark."
My father was in the Royal Engineers (being an engineer in civilian life before joining). He landed on the first day at D Day and after being initially deployed to remove beach obstacles worked on the assembly, construction and rescue of Mullberry B working with Sainsbury to secure the pontoons and to ready for the storm. He further went on to many adventures through and beyond the Rhine crossing. He would still say to me many years later that the Mullberry harbours made the D Day landings a possibility and not the disaster that the majority feared. The whole concept being bold, innovative and took the Germans entirely by surprise and he felt that the German high command did not realize how the allies could supply so many men and they did not respond fast enough as they determined that the level and logistics they faced would be so much a smaller problem. He also use to mention the laying of Pluto within weeks of the landing supplying fuel. Kind regards
I think you can really see the truth of this in the German high command's continued obsession with port denial through 1944. Wrecking Cherbourg, leaving garrisons all over the French coast, swallowing Fortitude and the threat to Calais, dumping half their V2s on Antwerp...
@@lllordllloyd …. To be fair this had never been tried. Plus the Germans lacked knowledge of amphibious landings. In other words they couldn’t believe Allied forces could be supplied without first taking a French port. Lack of imagination on their part.
The ETO Allied forces also tended to not talk much with their US Navy Sea Bee counterparts from the Pacific and Southwest Pacific theaters... the US Navy Sea Bees included in being a bit parochial. Many of the Pacific island landings were on long shelving beaches with rather large tidal ranges, and the USN solutions were very similar to the Spuds, Beetles, and Whales, but used the Rhino pontoons rather extensively. Some of the Pacific storms were also quite intense, if possibly a bit less chilly in temperature than the Channel "Summer" weather. Communications between Hawaii / California and the UK weren't what they might have been, and there appears to have been some reinventing of wheels. There was also a general shortage of trained engineers to go around, and experienced engineers had to be found and then help out the junior engineers... many of whom were like my great uncle - a watchmaker/jeweller who got commissioned as a 2nd lieutenant in the Army Corps of Engineers - quite proficient after training in setting up bridging and treadway equipment, but not trained at all in pump selection and operations on the scale required for the Mulberrys. Still, the guys muddled through, and were quite successful in the end.
Christ, the amount of effort and thinking just put into one aspect of D-day is mind boggling. It's handy to point to stuff like this whenever you encounter someone who thinks Sealion was viable.
Sealion had the advantage of the British having left most of its hardware in France. But yes. The royal navy wouldn't have allowed that, and the Germans wouldn't have been able to land the quantity of stuff needed
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I spend 8 summers in normandie in youth camps of the german wargrave comission. We worked on a german war cemetery and did international exchanges with french and russian youth. As part of the program we also did a costal tour. One of the stopps was Arromanches and the remains of Mulberry B were clearly visible. This was truly a crazy project. And for me it puts into perspective the utter impossibility of operation "Seelöwe" succeding. Germany just didnt have anywhere near this level of logistics ready in 1940.
The Germans thought that allied invaders would need a port with exactly the logic you present. Ports were garrisoned and held, some for the duration! The Mulberry’s were critical to D Day! Great video!
They expected an assault on Calais. A lot of disinformation was used to maintain the illusion. Mulberries were great. What I like about British attitude was their out of the box think farms. There was a lot less red tape blocking ideas. Americans were less flexible about unorthodox means to ends.
I love your description for the Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development. As crucial as R&D is, I imagine it gave the admiralty a massive headache in dealing with all the crazy ideas coming out of that place.
There is an excellent book called "Secret Weapons of WWII" by Gerald Pawle. It is an excellent account of the Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development.
I would love to work with them. Of all those many duties such a huge war might bring, my experience and skills from chemical industry and my slightly unhinged desire to experiment would make me very happy member of DoMWD considering the dire situation.
@@LordInter Assuming you're talking about the proposed HMS Habakkuk built from Pykrete, it wasn't sand, it was some form of woodpulp,sawdust or even paper.
@@mortisCZ It's only now, I realise, that the acronym of the departement can also mean : "Departement of Massive War Destruction", or other wordplay of the sort. ^^
I worked in the 1980's for one of the civil engineering contractors who had built some of the Phoenix caissons. Both during my interview & first day of work, I was informed with almost reverence ''This is a company that was involved with the building of the Mulberry Harbours''.... Even 40+ years on at that time, it was still a proud & highly important part of the company's history. I later found out there was a fulfilled request for some of the company's civilian site staff & tradesmen to travel with the caissons they had constructed, mainly to operate standby pumps & keep an eye on timber chocks & bracing that kept the seawater valves firmly closed. (not sure if that was just to the staging point within UK waters or whether they actually went across the Channel also)
i read a history of this effort that talked about a US Navy Captain involved in the Phoenix program. He was responsible for Phoenix sections that would be sunk off the UK shore, and re floated, towed to the Normandy beaches, and sunk again, he was tearing hus hair in frustration, His Navy day job was marine salvage, and getting sunken vessels re floated. He felt, correctly, that the planners had not correctly estimated the difficulty in getting the Phoenix sections re floated for towing. There was am enormous amount of suction to counter when re floating that the planners had not factored into their plans. Local response to his concerns took the form "You want to tell the _Royal Engineers_ they don't know what they are doing?" "In ytis case, eas, because they don't!" Once he got to talk directly to them. they looked at his calculations and concerns, and decided he had a point and plans needed to be changed/
Drach, I'm not much of a comment leaver on You Tube videos. However, THIS video is an outstanding piece of work on your part. Thanks to you and your in depth research and masterful presentation (no, I'm not looking for a job). Well done sir, well done.
Interesting note about the spuds: even today, in the US, work barges with long legs like that for holding them in place are known as spud barges, and the legs are known as spuds. They’re quite common for construction and offshore work.
Used to sail round the broken Phoenex in Langstone Harbour years ago. Very informative video and great pictures. Loved your description of the Miscellaneous Weapons folk:-)
Thank You for your excellent video and the mention of Tugs. My Father's Seagoing Tug (USS Partridge) was torpedoed and sunk the night of June 11 as they were towing some Whale Units. Survivors used the Whales as Life Boats until they were Rescued by a Canadian Corvette.
I think it's really impressive how the components of the mulberries were adapted to so many uses after their original purpose was fulfilled. Impressive, adaptable engineering.
Excellent book! "I crossed the Channel for the invasion of Normandy aboard a 6,000 ton block of concrete at the end of a long towline, moving at all of three knots astern a laboring tug. The crossing took over thirty hours - no very swift passage. We - that is, the squadron of some ten similar chunks of concrete - had the protection of no convoy of our own; we were much too slow for any convoy to stay with us. But by keeping in the main stream of invasion traffic bound for France, we had the benefit of the occasional presence in our vicinity of destroyers passing us accompanying faster groups, mainly troop carriers." Edward Ellsberg, The Far Shore, 241. Speaking of which, @Drachinifel - it would be fascinating to hear your take on Ellsberg's efforts in Massawa - especially the repair of the HMS Dido...
@@Connorisreal me too. A great pity, it’s far too easy to get fed history from one perspective. I think WSC said that history was kindest to those that write it. Personally I was quite shocked by Ellsberg’s story, that not all Americans were behind the war effort, that even then corporate America was on the fiddle, and in his account of events in Algeria, plainly not all France was that pleased to be liberated. I’m in France at the moment, meeting French friends. I’ll try to discuss this point and get the French perspective for balance.
His books are a great read, from the salvage of the S-51 to WWII, there's a website with his much more open letters to his wife from the WWII period around too.
Having worked with British engineers in the auto industry for seventeen years, I found them very creative and open to new ideas. I preferred the company of the "poor British cousins", as they called themselves, to the American of German engineers. I'm glad you explained why Mulberry A only lasted four weeks...Thames estuary has a lovely Mulberry harbor stuck on a sandbar 1 mile off of Shoeburyness, a local attraction for mudflat walkers.
"The lack of attention to the correct mooring procedures was also thought to be a contributing factor to the damage on the roadways but much of this was also caused by free-floating landing craft, 5 of which were actually British." "The construction force and a number of US officers with relevant experience of salvage and Mulberry construction thought it could be repaired but more senior officers differed. The decision was made to salvage what could be used on Mulberry B to aid in its reinstatement." Think Defence The Mulberry Harbours page
"We found that the waves at the American harbour were significantly larger than those at the British Mulberry - although both experienced waves larger than they were designed to withstand. This goes a long way to explain why the American harbour failed whilst the British one narrowly survived. We also found that a storm of the severity of the 1944 storm would only be expected to occur during the summer once in every 40 years. The Allies were clearly very unlucky to experience a storm this severe only a couple of weeks after D-Day." University of Oxford The storm that struck the Mulberry Harbours page
My Uncle Frank, who was about my mothers age worked at Mather and Platt in Manchester for the duration of the war. Of course I recall conversations of why Frank wasn’t doing his duty like the other siblings. After D day he explained he was a draftsman designer of many parts of Mulberry. Being inland I suspect most of his efforts were on pumps and design of the concrete structures. He later moved to Canada in the paper industry. I wonder what he really did from 1941 to 44. He never said a word until it was all over.
Thank you for mentioning the DMWD. No one ever mentions their successes in countering German tech (like figuring out how to degauss ship hulls to allow the rescue of troops at Normandy --Sir Charles Frederick Goodeve) Hedgehog depth charges, radar deflectors and decoys etc. they instead only remember the failures like the Great Panjandrum. Their work on the artificial harbors was essential.
Hi Vincent And don't forget Hobart's Funnies, the flail tank , the floating tank,etc , a book you might be interested in is A HARBOUR GOES TO WAR it was made by the people of Garleston where the Mullberry's were tested. Cheers
They changed the way wars were won. Adapting new technology to adjust for your enemy is now seen as a staple (yes I mean Ukraine) Only Jan "One Eye'd Zizka was more innovative and inventive. Thank you, I will check out the book, sounds like it is right up my ally.
One thing that wasn't mentioned. Having a large number of small craft perpetually assigned to ferrying equipment ship-to-shore would have meant they would be unavailable for use in other amphibious operations such as Operation Dragoon, Walcheren & the Rhine crossing and (in the case of LSTs) the PTO.
US invasion of Saipan 15 June 1944. US France Operation Dragoon 15 August 1944. "Undismayed by the destruction of their artificial harbour, the Americans applied to the development of the Omaha and Utah anchorages their tremendous talent for invention and organization. In defiance of orthodox opinion they beached coasters (LST's) and unloaded them direct into Army lorries at low tide... during July the Americans here handled more than twice the tonnage which passed through the British Mulberry." Chester, Wilmot , The Struggle for Europe page 387
mean that's the nature of things, You always need twice as much as you've got, and that's a good day, you'll always have to weigh your options to attempt to use what you've got where it's most needed, whatever that might be, and whatever scale of priorities you might use, in this example having too few resources for amphibious operations, but maintaining the supply chain to the capacity it's required to keep general operations going would be the priority as you can win the war without the first, but you'll absolutely lose if the second breaks down
@@nickdanger3802 They may have been able to do that, but at risk of damaging the sea going vessels. The Americans tended to be more wasteful of equipment than the British or Canadians.
Your description of The Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development is precisely what I imagined such a department would have as a mission statement and the exact staffing criteria I would have expected. ❤
Among the staff was famous author Nevil Shute Norway (On the Beach, A town Called Alice, Requiem for a WREN) who headed up the Great Panjandrum project ua-cam.com/video/KEF1hMUEikM/v-deo.html
12:00 this happened to my home town! The coast is dangerous and lacks natural harbours so in the early 1900s and a massive concrete wall was built jutting out into the ocean so there was a sheltered area for shipping. There's no longer any shipping but the new beachs are nice!
I knew some of the information presented but the historical and background information was new to me. Thank you!! It saddens me the current generation was never taught or told about the trials and error that went into this engineering endeavor. Incredible that this was done with the technology of nearly 80 years ago! Seems the youngsters want to work at Amazon, Microsoft or Google and not be the one to get their fingernails dirty. Thank YOU for continuing to educate us.
Yes, the Luftwaffe was much less of a threat than had been anticipated. The Centaur AA and CS were the only members of the family that saw combat. A troop of four AA tanks was in the HQ squadron of each tank regiment and the Royal Marine Armored Support Group operated 80 95mm gun armed Mark IV Close Support tanks. Centaur was the Liberty engined member of the Centaur-Cromwell family and Cromwell was the Meteor (derived from the Merlin) engined version - which was much preferred. tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/A27L_Cruiser_MkVII_Centaur.php en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Marines_Armoured_Support_Group And try the Sherman BARV - the only Army vehicle with its own diver en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_armoured_recovery_vehicle
Dad volunteered to run the engine room on one of the breakwater ships. He said the holds were loaded with rock. When the Royal Coast Gauard signaled they were in position, the skipper called everyone to the bridge where he counted the skeleton crew and then threw a big knife switch the set off the scuttling charges. The crew then clambered onto the Royal Coast Gaurd Cutter and and dad went back to Portsmouth to take a load of jeeps to the beachhead
Hey Drach, I’ve been waiting 3 years for you to cover the mulberry harbours, so thank you! It’s one of my favourite subjects from WW2 and often gets overlooked. Feel free to dig deeper on specifics in the future, I’m sure they’d be a hit.
really makes you want to see the whole operation unfold, as truly Normandy was one of the most impressive operations of the entire war, just in the scale and complexity of everything involved, answering the age old question of how do you land an army on a foreign beach in such a way you can also win a war to the best capacity,
This was probably one of the most entertaining Wednesday Specials for awhile now. As someone with a particular penchant for military logistics, I've heard of the Mulberry Harbours before, but hadn't heard much detail about them. As with so many off-beat ideas of WWII, I'm delighted at what a ragtag bunch created such a grand invention, thinking so far out of the box and yet finding such a logical solution. There's just one thing that surprises me: that there wasn't more input specifically sought by two groups of mariners in the Mulberry's design. The first was barge towmen, particularly those of the Mississippi River and harbors like New York where single tugboats pulling and pushing massive strings of sometimes up to half a dozen giant steel barges was already a common sight. The second was train ferry operators, both the carfloat men of New York, who specialized in moving hundreds of loaded railway cars a day across the Hudson River on barges, and the self-contained train ferries of the Great Lakes, San Francisco Bay, and even the Channel ports; who would know better about moving colossal amounts of heavy equipment across open water than the captains and engineers who regularly took the railways out to sea, or the design teams that made such carfloat tech happen? Or maybe I'm just an old romantic who wants to see something the size of a small ocean liner disgorge a hundred truck's worth of supplies straight out to the beaches and on along temporary tracks to the front.
Having spent 3 years constructing a caisson breakwater in Baja, Mexico I find it astounding how this was achieved under fire in weeks! I guess the health and safety was not quite so stringent! Great video thanks
Well, it also helps a lot if the goal is to have something that will last for three months. If you want it to last for decades, that's going to take longer to design and build.
I mean, if I was locked in a warehouse with shiny things and told to invent something in exchange for another warehouse with shiny things, I'd be very happy
5:14 "It would yield a mined half demolished death trap that is also on fire." In reality, not necessarily in that order and with extra surprises inside. Talk to your Captain about your next objective and the guided tours through the ruins. Group rates are available if you order now.
A friend's father served as a mechanic on one of the ocean going tugs on D Day. He said that he didn't see D Day as he was below decks keeping the engine going, but he sure heard it! The tug's job on that day was to pull or push disabled larger vessels out of the way.
Thank you for a most informative and entertaining video. My father landed at Courselles On about week 6. He was in an RAF airfield construction squadron that built forward landing strips all the way to the German border. He frequently led transport convoys from the squadron back to the store dumps at Arromanches, site of Mulberry B, and return, often using the Top Hat supply route. I remember well a visit we made together in the 1960s when he showed me the remains of the Mulberry Harbour. This is the most informative video I have seen on the subject and it brought back happy memories of my Dad. Thank you.
We all love those deep dives into ship history but for me this is some of the most fascinating stuff of all. I honestly didn't even know these were a thing until this video, and it's such an incredible feat of engineering and sheer human willpower to tame the seas despite the odds. Thank you for the wonderful content!
See also PLUTO, another vital part of the logistical system. It had it's genesis in it's inland counterpart (in the UK) & that (upgraded) system is still used today.
That was fascinating. I had visited Normandy in 1989 and saw the remains of the Mulberry Harbour. The fact that pieces of the harbour were used to help the Dutch with the flooding in the 1950SaaS also interesting.
Nice to see the photo of the Mulberry Phoenix sections at Portland Harbour at 34:49. Incidentally, the boat in the foreground, offloading passengers on the pontoon is My Girl, a pleasure craft which serviced ships in Portland Harbour throughout World War II. Not a Dunkirk little ship but a WWII veteran all the same
For some reason, I have been aware of The Mulberry Harbours, what they did and how they did it, since I was quite a small boy. 65+ years ago. Either my dad (an Engineer) or my Grandad (WWI vet) had clearly told me. However, it wasn't until about ten years ago that my friends and I rounded off a trip to Belgium, by racing southwest and spending a day and a night in Arromanches. The Mulberry museum there absolutely fascinated me and one exhibit there has become, for me, the single most significant artefact of not only the museum itself, the whole Mulberry harbour concept, but indeed the whole war. The other one was Bletchley Park, Alan Turing and the Ultra project. On the wall in an insignificant corner of the Mulberry museum there is a monochrome 8x10 aerial photograph. At first glance it is little more than just a nice, comprehensive image of Mulberry B (Arromanches) in its first few days at maximum capacity - about 10,000 tons per day. Around 15th June 1944. Then you look more carefully and realise this photograph was taken BY THE GERMANS from no less than 11,000 METRES up. Therefore, the aeroplane must have been a jet aircraft - (probably an Arado 234) nothing else could have evaded allied aircraft or defenses. Once the photograph had been processed and passed to the OKW, the Germans should have realised - had they been rational, logical opponents - that the Allies had brought with them TWO PORTS THE SIZE OF DOVER! Therefore; there was no way they could be defeated and every week spent trying to stop them, would mean more and more of their own casualties and destruction. Negotiated cease fire was imperative. But they weren't rational and logical, were they? From more detailed study of the Mulberry Harbours, I have learned the Americans never liked the idea. For a number of reasons - none of them good, military or practical - one of which Drachinfel elaborates. They all had to be built in Britain and second; they were all designed in Britain, by Brits and thus; 'Not invented here'. It is no accident Mulberry B survived and operated until almost November 1944 and it was BECAUSE the Americans OFFICIALLY disregarded British advice and instructions to anchor the bridges and Spuds securely. They always preferred their DUKW ferry method, because it was their idea. It is true Britain could not have won WWII on our own or without the Americans, but it is equally true that it was almost as conceivable that we could have lost it with them. Thank you Drahinfel and thank you Mulberry B, about which few people know or remember, or realise just how important it was.
"We found that the waves at the American harbour were significantly larger than those at the British Mulberry - although both experienced waves larger than they were designed to withstand. This goes a long way to explain why the American harbour failed whilst the British one narrowly survived." University of Oxford The storm that struck the Mulberry Harbours page
"Undismayed by the destruction of their artificial harbour, the Americans applied to the development of the Omaha and Utah anchorages their tremendous talent for invention and organization. In defiance of orthodox opinion they beached coasters (LST's) and unloaded them direct into Army lorries at low tide... during July the Americans here handled more than twice the tonnage which passed through the British Mulberry." Chester, Wilmot , The Struggle for Europe page 387
mean at that point in the war it was clear to both sides that there could be nothing but total victory, and as more and more evidence of the crimes against humanity the Germans had done that became more and more the focus, the German regime needed to be stopped and removed as there'd be no peace without that
The Americans seem to have form with turning up late and then ignoring the advice and experience of those who have already learned the hard way. You can add the early North Africa campaign and daylight bombing as well as some ww1 activities as examples. Their contribution was invaluable, but they could have saved themselves a lot of effort and lost lives by just accepting that people who have already been at it for a few years might actually know something about it.
Whenever someone goes on about the Chinese invading Taiwan, this comes to my mind. The sheer logistical hurdles they would face and have to overcome leave me shaking my head.
yes and no, Taiwan is an island, so the logistics side can be handled much easier, as you don't need Millions of soldiers, Tanks and other stuff for it, Mulberry was designed to spearhead the invasion of France and the European Mainland, where Germany could potentially send multiple army groups to deal with the invasion, but yes China would need extensive logistics networks in the form of auxiliaries and transport helicopters to facilitate that invasion as it'll be a long and brutal fight, and for the short of it, they don't have the experience nor the capabilities as far as I'm aware to make that work, even without any external factors
@@salvadorsempere1701 yes, but they don't need to support that army moving halfway into France and Belgium, most of the fighting will be for the beachheads, moment they're established it's pretty much over, so the logistics strain wouldn't be as massive
@@Voron_Aggrav Don't forget that Taiwa consist of two kinds of landscape. Urban areas and mountainous terrain. If the defenders are determined they can inflict heavy casulties even if they are ultimately doomed to be destroyed.
This is the result when you turn a roomful of outside of the box thinkers loose on a problem. And, the PowerPoint presentation in the washroom... perfection.
Wow! All my questions about port logistics answered. Operationally, I'm quivering. I had an opponent who conducted D-Day at LaRochelle'44 in a GDW game( 2 Mulberries; good weather). Looks like we calculated the port capacities and off-loads fairly well.
I'm reminded of a story from (I think it was) Ken Burns "The Civil War" about Confederate soldiers were ordered to attack a Union-held railroad tunnel and how one of the soldiers complained it would be useless because the Yankees were so rich, they probably had spare tunnels, too.
"Undismayed by the destruction of their artificial harbour, the Americans applied to the development of the Omaha and Utah anchorages their tremendous talent for invention and organization. In defiance of orthodox opinion they beached coasters (LST's) and unloaded them direct into Army lorries at low tide... during July the Americans here handled more than twice the tonnage which passed through the British Mulberry." Chester, Wilmot , The Struggle for Europe page 387
Drach, very impressed and delighted with the detail amd delivery in this video. My father was 11 months old when my country was attacked. His parents *Never* trusted anyone even vaguely oriental after that, nor did they forgive. More to the point, the ‘lunatic in a shed’ building stuff stuck with our family. Due in some large part, finding out what mankind *can do* when properly motivated from History-Channel programs in my youth cemented my-own career goals in engineering. I do really wish that my father had lived to see your videos - especially this one. I am absolutely certain he would have watched more than once.
1975, I camped two nights behind the landing grounds. There was far more there and about five PLUTO, Petrol Line Under The Ocean, came ashore at Calais, a month later. Some nine pipes in all.
This is a fascinating collection of photographs of Mulberry and related matters. By coincidence, I am reading Guy Hartcup's book about Mulberry for the second time. This video adds a significant amount of detail. Weymouth being my home town I was also aware of the arrival of the two Phoenix caissons to act a wind breaks for Portland Harbour's Q pier.
These are one of the greatest feats of engineering in history in my opinion. The scale and nature of them is honestly hard for me to grasp. The Allies needed a port able to supply an invasion force of as much as two million men, but they were all to heavily defended to be easily captured. *So they built one from scratch.*
The English managed to weaponize autism before it was a thing. One of the the tanks they sent in carried huge rolling tubes with weights chaied to them to destroy a huge path through landmines, they did not want to be slowed down at all. The Americans were very resistant to every idea the English had to the point of not even wanting to use some of the inventions, at least until they heard reports on how well they worked.
I read somewhere that Stalin kept whining about the delay in starting the second front, because he had no idea what it entailed. This video gives us an idea.
An excellent commentary. I was aware of and have done reading about the b-day temp harbours but never fully understood them until your presentation. Thank you. mrg
@ 12:00 (ish) This is what happened to the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse! They put in baffles to slow the erosion, but they made it worse! I served at a small Naval Facility and more than once we had to assist a even smaller Coast Guard unit Sand Bag the area around the lighthouse whenever a Hurricane was coming close... Eventually they moved the entire Lighthouse (in one piece) further inshore 2,900 feet (~881m) in Sept. 1999!!!
The first time I have seen a documentary about the makeshift harbour. Well done Dr Drach. The upkeep of these structures till the end of their use must have been an experience, with irregular weather and fast tides threatening them
I love that you make videos and sometimes even a video series about things that get one solitary sentence in many history books like the American torpedos, Pearl Harbor clean up and this.
We probably used some of the same concepts in our (occasionally) floating bridges here in Washington State, USA. With the same partial success rate as Mulberries A and B too.
Well done, Drach! I've seen a few other documentaries of the Mulberry Harbours, but they focused more on the construction - concept to ready-for-use - than deployment and use.
A wonderful story of derring-do, engineering and mad scientists! Beautifully told, as usual. How you compressed all the myriad salient points of this huge operation into half an hour is a wonder in itself. Bravo!
Pinned post for Q&A :)
Hi drach,
What is your opinion of Admiral Yamamoto? I've been reading about him lately and the most recent pieces seem to make him out as a nationalistic, war hungry lunatic who thought the Japanese could just march into Washington. I always thought of him as a solid professional officer with a touch of the Warp in how accurately he predicted the course of the war.
Is there any chance we could get a Wednesday special about him?
What is your opinion on the naval
aspects of the Russo-Ukraine War?
@@BHuang92 i feel like that's a bit out of drach's area of expertise.
Drach, those apostrophes in the title are an atrocity to grammar!
Two-part question. Number one were the ships that were used for the breakers old transports, or were they just decommissioned military ships? Part 2: what was the majority of the AAU used during this time on this harbor? Would it be british, or American?
Drach, we know you're an engineer at heart. So are many of your viewers. If you want to do the six hour extended version of this video, we will watch it!
Amen
Well, maybe break it up into an easily digested series, but the idea is warranted.
Yes, please do. A 6 hour monster would be no problem to get through. Love this shit.
I'll agree to a "drach deep dive"
I know I'd watch it! Even when it sometimes takes me half a week to finish, I enjoy every minute of every drydock.
I cracked up at this line. "Taking a collection of mad scientists, garden shed inventors, young troublemakers, pyromaniacs and cat herders and giving them all a warehouse full of interesting spare parts and after locking them up in there telling them if they came up with something interesting to help them beat the Nazis there might be a second or possibly even a third warehouse in it for them."
Reminds me of people I knew who went to MIT.
I definitely missed my calling in life. I would have fit right in.
@@MeduseldRabbit between them and the Ghost Army it sounds like a rollicking good time for us weirdos.
Reminds me of the scientist in "Independence Day"...... "They don't let us out much." 😆
@@lancerevell5979 Brent Spiner actually using a conjunction!
The Directorate of Miscellaneous Weapons Development (RN) and the Ministry of Defence/Army agency MD1 (intially MIRc,) were parallel organizations, both of which were staffed with collections of mad scientists, garden shed inventors, young troublemakers, pyromaniacs and cat herders. MD1 developed the Limpet Mine, the Blacker Bombard spigot mortar, a remarkably wide range of mechanical detonating devices for engineers, saboteurs, and boobytrappers, and the PIAT. DMWD were the people who developed the Hedgehog forward-throwing anti-submarine weapon, the Squid anti-submarine mortar, and the first practical system for degaussing ships as a defense against magnetically-detonated mines. DMDW also developed the Holman Projector, which was, as for as I know, the only steam-powered anti-aircraft weapon ever used in naval warfare, and so-called "plastic armour," which were hollow steel panels filled with gravel and bitumen, intended to provide splinter protection to critical areas on merchant and fishing vessels taken into government service, as well as on lighter vessels such as landing craft produced without any armor.
I have always loved how the British do inventors. Most countries have these misunderstood geniuses who overcome naysayers with hard work. Britain has lunatics with sheds.
Colin Furze
And flatcaps, don't forget the flatcap!
The crazy inventors really come into their own during wartime, and worth their weight in gold.
And then organising them under groups such as "The Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development". Brilliant. While credit is due to the Americans, they didn't generate the same hilarious stories as a bunch of mad cap British eccentrics throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks
Well, that explains Colin Furze.
My grandmother was a Wren serving in Lord Mountbatten's staff and she would have confirmed that it was a blast working for him. He treated his staff excellently and she was very sad when her tour came to an end. My father has a signed and messaged book he gave to my grandmother as a leaving gift.
Mountbatten described his Combined Operations Headquarters as "The only insane asylum in the world run by the lunatics"
@@colbeausabre8842 Later the US Capitol took on that mantle. 🙄
@@colbeausabre8842 Tell that to the dead Canadians at Dieppe.
Given Mountbatten's known - ahem - "popularity with the ladies" I wonder if your grandmother censored the reason she was so sad when her tour ended ...
I'm glad he treated your grandmother well. But he was a piece of s*** pedophile. He spent a lot of time in Ireland because that's where he would find boys. He was actually warned by MI5 to stay out of Ireland because of the danger of the IRA. He ignored them went anyway and they killed him. I'm glad he treated his staff well but he wasn't a good person. None of these royals are
One of my neighbors growing up had been the CO of an LCT during the great storm. She was blown ashore and had to wait for weeks to be salvaged. Due to fear of Luftwaffe attacks, no lights were to be shown at night and they were to lie low. Then, one night, it happened. Around dusk, first one ship, then another began firing, soon grounded vessels and Army AA batteries joined in. Artillery roared, small arms rattled and tracers sped into the night. Off shore, even the battleships and cruisers were giving their all. Flares and star shells illuminated a surreal scene. Convinced the Germans had broken through, and were headed to the beach, my neighbor sounded general quarters and rifles and submachine guns were issued to all hands not manning a gun. My neighbor strapped on his 45, determined to "take one with him." Then it occurred to someone to look at the calendar when making an entry into the log and yelled the news. That's how my neighbor and thousands of his brothers in arms celebrated July 4, 1944.
Literally lol.
......This sounds very different to the D-Day my grandfather hardly talked of.
@@m8rshall July 4, 1944 was a full month after D-Day proper--your grandfather was probably well inland by then.
I visited the Normandy beaches years ago and was fortunate to see the remains of the Mulberry harbor during low tide. Those things were enormous!
And one on the Hamble at the Elephant boat yard, still used as an office by aptly, a shipping agent. There is also a big beast still on sinah sands in the entrance to Langstone harbour. It’s clearly visible on Google earth.
They are still there and as enormous as ever! The whole coast is worth a visit to remember this vital battle. NB - using similar technology, there were also cast concrete barges made for inland British waterways, so as to not use up steel, and three are still to be found partially submerged next to the Manchester Ship Canal at 53.39110160483134, -2.4954362884492767 - a good vid from a local lad about them can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/ExKPh9mszFE/v-deo.html
@@Simon_Nonymous They actually built a few sea going ships in the US during World War II. I would not want to be onboard one of them.
@@johnmcmickle5685 wow, that's a great bit of knowledge, and no, I'd rather not be on one either!
Visiting that area is still on my bucket list.
The Bureau of Miscellaneous Weapons Development sounds like a great place to work.
These harbors are just one more example of the incredible effort it took to save the world from tyranny during WW2. Thanks for this video.
To all those who saved the world, thanks guys.
American or "Yankee ingenuity" as one of my British coworkers called it, also helped the allies in WWI.
Combat Engineering companies that rolled large rolls of chicken wire across the barbed wire that served as a barrier to entangle and slow the standard frontal infantry assault.
AEF planners also implemented the 1st "rolling artillery barrages.
Those two items helped keep the Germans pinned up in their shelters while American forces stormed the trenches faster than other allied forces up to that point, due to basically nullifying the effects of becoming entangled in the wire.
Using those tactics successfully reduced the number of casualties and allowed the German lines to be pushed back with greater successes than any other previous tactics being used on the battlefield at that time.
"This is a huge, open beach. What are they gonna do? Bring their harbors with them?"
"....Oh"
I've heard of some German accounts that surrendered during D-Day when they saw the vast amounts of men and equipment that were coming onshore, they knew absolutely that the war was lost.
@@BHuang92 In the book and movie "The Longest Day." There is the raction of the German artillery officer seeing the fleet off shore. 😱
Side note: This was the first movie I remember where German and French was spoken with sub-titles, rather than having the actor speak English with an accent(Look at you "Sink the Bismark."
@@BHuang92 I've also heard of German commanders reacting with shock when told the allies didn't have any horses with them.
@@delurkor I can remember a parody where the Japanese spoke in English with Japanese subtititles
German officer: "Vell... Scheiße".
My father was in the Royal Engineers (being an engineer in civilian life before joining). He landed on the first day at D Day and after being initially deployed to remove beach obstacles worked on the assembly, construction and rescue of Mullberry B working with Sainsbury to secure the pontoons and to ready for the storm. He further went on to many adventures through and beyond the Rhine crossing. He would still say to me many years later that the Mullberry harbours made the D Day landings a possibility and not the disaster that the majority feared. The whole concept being bold, innovative and took the Germans entirely by surprise and he felt that the German high command did not realize how the allies could supply so many men and they did not respond fast enough as they determined that the level and logistics they faced would be so much a smaller problem. He also use to mention the laying of Pluto within weeks of the landing supplying fuel. Kind regards
I think you can really see the truth of this in the German high command's continued obsession with port denial through 1944. Wrecking Cherbourg, leaving garrisons all over the French coast, swallowing Fortitude and the threat to Calais, dumping half their V2s on Antwerp...
Your Dad made it Possible .
@@lllordllloyd …. To be fair this had never been tried. Plus the Germans lacked knowledge of amphibious landings. In other words they couldn’t believe Allied forces could be supplied without first taking a French port. Lack of imagination on their part.
The ETO Allied forces also tended to not talk much with their US Navy Sea Bee counterparts from the Pacific and Southwest Pacific theaters... the US Navy Sea Bees included in being a bit parochial.
Many of the Pacific island landings were on long shelving beaches with rather large tidal ranges, and the USN solutions were very similar to the Spuds, Beetles, and Whales, but used the Rhino pontoons rather extensively. Some of the Pacific storms were also quite intense, if possibly a bit less chilly in temperature than the Channel "Summer" weather.
Communications between Hawaii / California and the UK weren't what they might have been, and there appears to have been some reinventing of wheels.
There was also a general shortage of trained engineers to go around, and experienced engineers had to be found and then help out the junior engineers... many of whom were like my great uncle - a watchmaker/jeweller who got commissioned as a 2nd lieutenant in the Army Corps of Engineers - quite proficient after training in setting up bridging and treadway equipment, but not trained at all in pump selection and operations on the scale required for the Mulberrys.
Still, the guys muddled through, and were quite successful in the end.
@@chemech …. Difficult to imagine how the engineers in the invasions did their jobs on a shoestring
Watching this I can imagine the generations of happy aquatic life that have enjoyed these structures wherever they were discarded. .
Christ, the amount of effort and thinking just put into one aspect of D-day is mind boggling. It's handy to point to stuff like this whenever you encounter someone who thinks Sealion was viable.
Sealion had the advantage of the British having left most of its hardware in France.
But yes. The royal navy wouldn't have allowed that, and the Germans wouldn't have been able to land the quantity of stuff needed
I spend 8 summers in normandie in youth camps of the german wargrave comission. We worked on a german war cemetery and did international exchanges with french and russian youth.
As part of the program we also did a costal tour. One of the stopps was Arromanches and the remains of Mulberry B were clearly visible.
This was truly a crazy project. And for me it puts into perspective the utter impossibility of operation "Seelöwe" succeding. Germany just didnt have anywhere near this level of logistics ready in 1940.
The Germans thought that allied invaders would need a port with exactly the logic you present. Ports were garrisoned and held, some for the duration! The Mulberry’s were critical to D Day! Great video!
They expected an assault on Calais. A lot of disinformation was used to maintain the illusion. Mulberries were great. What I like about British attitude was their out of the box think farms. There was a lot less red tape blocking ideas. Americans were less flexible about unorthodox means to ends.
A marvelous piece of engineering and a brilliant idea!
I love your description for the Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development.
As crucial as R&D is, I imagine it gave the admiralty a massive headache in dealing with all the crazy ideas coming out of that place.
can you imagine "I've got an idea, it's an iceberg, with engines, made from sand 🤪"
There is an excellent book called "Secret Weapons of WWII" by Gerald Pawle. It is an excellent account of the Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development.
I would love to work with them. Of all those many duties such a huge war might bring, my experience and skills from chemical industry and my slightly unhinged desire to experiment would make me very happy member of DoMWD considering the dire situation.
@@LordInter Assuming you're talking about the proposed HMS Habakkuk built from Pykrete, it wasn't sand, it was some form of woodpulp,sawdust or even paper.
@@mortisCZ It's only now, I realise, that the acronym of the departement can also mean : "Departement of Massive War Destruction", or other wordplay of the sort. ^^
I worked in the 1980's for one of the civil engineering contractors who had built some of the Phoenix caissons. Both during my interview & first day of work, I was informed with almost reverence ''This is a company that was involved with the building of the Mulberry Harbours''.... Even 40+ years on at that time, it was still a proud & highly important part of the company's history.
I later found out there was a fulfilled request for some of the company's civilian site staff & tradesmen to travel with the caissons they had constructed, mainly to operate standby pumps & keep an eye on timber chocks & bracing that kept the seawater valves firmly closed. (not sure if that was just to the staging point within UK waters or whether they actually went across the Channel also)
i read a history of this effort that talked about a US Navy Captain involved in the Phoenix program. He was responsible for Phoenix sections that would be sunk off the UK shore, and re floated, towed to the Normandy beaches, and sunk again,
he was tearing hus hair in frustration, His Navy day job was marine salvage, and getting sunken vessels re floated. He felt, correctly, that the planners had not correctly estimated the difficulty in getting the Phoenix sections re floated for towing. There was am enormous amount of suction to counter when re floating that the planners had not factored into their plans.
Local response to his concerns took the form "You want to tell the _Royal Engineers_ they don't know what they are doing?" "In ytis case, eas, because they don't!" Once he got to talk directly to them. they looked at his calculations and concerns, and decided he had a point and plans needed to be changed/
Drach, I'm not much of a comment leaver on You Tube videos. However, THIS video is an outstanding piece of work on your part. Thanks to you and your in depth research and masterful presentation (no, I'm not looking for a job). Well done sir, well done.
Interesting note about the spuds: even today, in the US, work barges with long legs like that for holding them in place are known as spud barges, and the legs are known as spuds. They’re quite common for construction and offshore work.
Indeed, part of my job is inspecting and surveying the 'spud cans' (legs and feet) on Jackup type oil rigs, using an ROV.
Used to sail round the broken Phoenex in Langstone Harbour years ago. Very informative video and great pictures. Loved your description of the Miscellaneous Weapons folk:-)
Hi Andrew there is a Phoenex opposite the Pagham Sailing Club ,It is uncovered at LW.
Thank You for your excellent video and the mention of Tugs. My Father's Seagoing Tug (USS Partridge) was torpedoed and sunk the night of June 11 as they were towing some Whale Units. Survivors used the Whales as Life Boats until they were Rescued by a Canadian Corvette.
I think it's really impressive how the components of the mulberries were adapted to so many uses after their original purpose was fulfilled. Impressive, adaptable engineering.
My grandfather had to move them about with his small tug in Goole docks.
Our family have donated alot of old photos to the museum near Goole marina.
Ellsbergs book “ the far shore” is a fascinating perspective on this, and a cracking read.
Excellent book!
"I crossed the Channel for the invasion of Normandy aboard a 6,000 ton block of concrete at the end of a long towline, moving at all of three knots astern a laboring tug. The crossing took over thirty hours - no very swift passage. We - that is, the squadron of some ten similar chunks of concrete - had the protection of no convoy of our own; we were much too slow for any convoy to stay with us. But by keeping in the main stream of invasion traffic bound for France, we had the benefit of the occasional presence in our vicinity of destroyers passing us accompanying faster groups, mainly troop carriers."
Edward Ellsberg, The Far Shore, 241.
Speaking of which, @Drachinifel - it would be fascinating to hear your take on Ellsberg's efforts in Massawa - especially the repair of the HMS Dido...
I second that, and the efforts at Massawa, which I’ve never seen referenced outside of the book “under the Red Sea Sun”
@@Connorisreal me too. A great pity, it’s far too easy to get fed history from one perspective. I think WSC said that history was kindest to those that write it. Personally I was quite shocked by Ellsberg’s story, that not all Americans were behind the war effort, that even then corporate America was on the fiddle, and in his account of events in Algeria, plainly not all France was that pleased to be liberated. I’m in France at the moment, meeting French friends. I’ll try to discuss this point and get the French perspective for balance.
His books are a great read, from the salvage of the S-51 to WWII, there's a website with his much more open letters to his wife from the WWII period around too.
His books: "On The Bottom", "Under The Red Sea Sun", "No Banners, No Bugles" "The Far Shore", and many more.
Having worked with British engineers in the auto industry for seventeen years, I found them very creative and open to new ideas. I preferred the company of the "poor British cousins", as they called themselves, to the American of German engineers. I'm glad you explained why Mulberry A only lasted four weeks...Thames estuary has a lovely Mulberry harbor stuck on a sandbar 1 mile off of Shoeburyness, a local attraction for mudflat walkers.
"The lack of attention to the correct mooring procedures was also thought to be a contributing factor to the damage on the roadways but much of this was also caused by free-floating landing craft, 5 of which were actually British."
"The construction force and a number of US officers with relevant experience of salvage and Mulberry construction thought it could be repaired but more senior officers differed. The decision was made to salvage what could be used on Mulberry B to aid in its reinstatement."
Think Defence The Mulberry Harbours page
"We found that the waves at the American harbour were significantly larger than those at the British Mulberry - although both experienced waves larger than they were designed to withstand. This goes a long way to explain why the American harbour failed whilst the British one narrowly survived. We also found that a storm of the severity of the 1944 storm would only be expected to occur during the summer once in every 40 years. The Allies were clearly very unlucky to experience a storm this severe only a couple of weeks after D-Day."
University of Oxford The storm that struck the Mulberry Harbours page
Actually visited Normandy a few weeks ago and saw the remains of these massive constructions. Great vid as always :)
at 8:10 Drach nails the best way to deal with the British eccentric: incentivise them with the offer of a slightly bigger shed.
My Uncle Frank, who was about my mothers age worked at Mather and Platt in Manchester for the duration of the war. Of course I recall conversations of why Frank wasn’t doing his duty like the other siblings. After D day he explained he was a draftsman designer of many parts of Mulberry. Being inland I suspect most of his efforts were on pumps and design of the concrete structures. He later moved to Canada in the paper industry.
I wonder what he really did from 1941 to 44. He never said a word until it was all over.
Thank you for mentioning the DMWD. No one ever mentions their successes in countering German tech (like figuring out how to degauss ship hulls to allow the rescue of troops at Normandy --Sir Charles Frederick Goodeve) Hedgehog depth charges, radar deflectors and decoys etc. they instead only remember the failures like the Great Panjandrum. Their work on the artificial harbors was essential.
Hi Vincent And don't forget Hobart's Funnies, the flail tank , the floating tank,etc , a book you might be interested in is A HARBOUR GOES TO WAR it was made by the people of Garleston where the Mullberry's were tested. Cheers
They changed the way wars were won. Adapting new technology to adjust for your enemy is now seen as a staple (yes I mean Ukraine) Only Jan "One Eye'd Zizka was more innovative and inventive. Thank you, I will check out the book, sounds like it is right up my ally.
The line between genius and insanity is often erased during wartime. No one in their right mind would ever think of something like this.
One thing that wasn't mentioned. Having a large number of small craft perpetually assigned to ferrying equipment ship-to-shore would have meant they would be unavailable for use in other amphibious operations such as Operation Dragoon, Walcheren & the Rhine crossing and (in the case of LSTs) the PTO.
US invasion of Saipan 15 June 1944. US France Operation Dragoon 15 August 1944.
"Undismayed by the destruction of their artificial harbour, the Americans applied to the development of the Omaha and Utah anchorages their tremendous talent for invention and organization. In defiance of orthodox opinion they beached coasters (LST's) and unloaded them direct into Army lorries at low tide... during July the Americans here handled more than twice the tonnage which passed through the British Mulberry."
Chester, Wilmot , The Struggle for Europe page 387
mean that's the nature of things, You always need twice as much as you've got, and that's a good day, you'll always have to weigh your options to attempt to use what you've got where it's most needed, whatever that might be, and whatever scale of priorities you might use,
in this example having too few resources for amphibious operations, but maintaining the supply chain to the capacity it's required to keep general operations going would be the priority as you can win the war without the first, but you'll absolutely lose if the second breaks down
@@nickdanger3802 They may have been able to do that, but at risk of damaging the sea going vessels. The Americans tended to be more wasteful of equipment than the British or Canadians.
@@markfryer9880 Dieppe
Thank you Drach at 3:15 i finally saw why the Ducks were built in such large numbers
Sometimes being OCD and making sure everything was done right makes you a hero.
Your description of The Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development is precisely what I imagined such a department would have as a mission statement and the exact staffing criteria I would have expected.
❤
Among the staff was famous author Nevil Shute Norway (On the Beach, A town Called Alice, Requiem for a WREN) who headed up the Great Panjandrum project ua-cam.com/video/KEF1hMUEikM/v-deo.html
Thank you for a great history lesson. Amazing how the engineering of WWII is still used today. And I appreciate the humor you weave into your stories.
12:00 this happened to my home town! The coast is dangerous and lacks natural harbours so in the early 1900s and a massive concrete wall was built jutting out into the ocean so there was a sheltered area for shipping. There's no longer any shipping but the new beachs are nice!
I knew some of the information presented but the historical and background information was new to me. Thank you!! It saddens me the current generation was never taught or told about the trials and error that went into this engineering endeavor. Incredible that this was done with the technology of nearly 80 years ago! Seems the youngsters want to work at Amazon, Microsoft or Google and not be the one to get their fingernails dirty. Thank YOU for continuing to educate us.
27:31 WOW, Centaur, AA Mk I - only 95 were produced.
Yes, the Luftwaffe was much less of a threat than had been anticipated. The Centaur AA and CS were the only members of the family that saw combat. A troop of four AA tanks was in the HQ squadron of each tank regiment and the Royal Marine Armored Support Group operated 80 95mm gun armed Mark IV Close Support tanks. Centaur was the Liberty engined member of the Centaur-Cromwell family and Cromwell was the Meteor (derived from the Merlin) engined version - which was much preferred. tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/A27L_Cruiser_MkVII_Centaur.php en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Marines_Armoured_Support_Group And try the Sherman BARV - the only Army vehicle with its own diver en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_armoured_recovery_vehicle
Dad volunteered to run the engine room on one of the breakwater ships. He said the holds were loaded with rock. When the Royal Coast Gauard signaled they were in position, the skipper called everyone to the bridge where he counted the skeleton crew and then threw a big knife switch the set off the scuttling charges. The crew then clambered onto the Royal Coast Gaurd Cutter and and dad went back to Portsmouth to take a load of jeeps to the beachhead
Hey Drach, I’ve been waiting 3 years for you to cover the mulberry harbours, so thank you! It’s one of my favourite subjects from WW2 and often gets overlooked. Feel free to dig deeper on specifics in the future, I’m sure they’d be a hit.
really makes you want to see the whole operation unfold, as truly Normandy was one of the most impressive operations of the entire war, just in the scale and complexity of everything involved, answering the age old question of how do you land an army on a foreign beach in such a way you can also win a war to the best capacity,
This was probably one of the most entertaining Wednesday Specials for awhile now. As someone with a particular penchant for military logistics, I've heard of the Mulberry Harbours before, but hadn't heard much detail about them. As with so many off-beat ideas of WWII, I'm delighted at what a ragtag bunch created such a grand invention, thinking so far out of the box and yet finding such a logical solution.
There's just one thing that surprises me: that there wasn't more input specifically sought by two groups of mariners in the Mulberry's design. The first was barge towmen, particularly those of the Mississippi River and harbors like New York where single tugboats pulling and pushing massive strings of sometimes up to half a dozen giant steel barges was already a common sight. The second was train ferry operators, both the carfloat men of New York, who specialized in moving hundreds of loaded railway cars a day across the Hudson River on barges, and the self-contained train ferries of the Great Lakes, San Francisco Bay, and even the Channel ports; who would know better about moving colossal amounts of heavy equipment across open water than the captains and engineers who regularly took the railways out to sea, or the design teams that made such carfloat tech happen?
Or maybe I'm just an old romantic who wants to see something the size of a small ocean liner disgorge a hundred truck's worth of supplies straight out to the beaches and on along temporary tracks to the front.
Having spent 3 years constructing a caisson breakwater in Baja, Mexico I find it astounding how this was achieved under fire in weeks! I guess the health and safety was not quite so stringent! Great video thanks
Well, it also helps a lot if the goal is to have something that will last for three months. If you want it to last for decades, that's going to take longer to design and build.
This was AMAZING. Thank you, Drach, for covering what I've only ever meagerly pondered. MORE PLEASE.
In the end, it's always about logistics.
Agreed. If there is one thing Britain and the US excelled at beyond all others in WWII, it was logistics.
"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics.”
- Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC (Commandant of the Marine Corps) noted in 1980
I mean, if I was locked in a warehouse with shiny things and told to invent something in exchange for another warehouse with shiny things, I'd be very happy
5:14 "It would yield a mined half demolished death trap that is also on fire."
In reality, not necessarily in that order and with extra surprises inside. Talk to your Captain about your next objective and the guided tours through the ruins. Group rates are available if you order now.
These things are so fascinating for me, for some reason lol probably because they're so, (clearly,) brilliant. 👍
Just the Mulberry's show just how unrealistic the German plans for Operation Sealion were.
A friend's father served as a mechanic on one of the ocean going tugs on D Day. He said that he didn't see D Day as he was below decks keeping the engine going, but he sure heard it! The tug's job on that day was to pull or push disabled larger vessels out of the way.
10:00 My Mother was on Mountbatten's staff during the War. She loved that time in her life :-)
Thank you for a most informative and entertaining video. My father landed at Courselles On about week 6. He was in an RAF airfield construction squadron that built forward landing strips all the way to the German border. He frequently led transport convoys from the squadron back to the store dumps at Arromanches, site of Mulberry B, and return, often using the Top Hat supply route. I remember well a visit we made together in the 1960s when he showed me the remains of the Mulberry Harbour. This is the most informative video I have seen on the subject and it brought back happy memories of my Dad. Thank you.
We all love those deep dives into ship history but for me this is some of the most fascinating stuff of all. I honestly didn't even know these were a thing until this video, and it's such an incredible feat of engineering and sheer human willpower to tame the seas despite the odds. Thank you for the wonderful content!
See also PLUTO, another vital part of the logistical system. It had it's genesis in it's inland counterpart (in the UK) & that (upgraded) system is still used today.
Thank you, Drachinifel.
Bazooka-armed tugboats. I love it.
Lovely that the work of 712th LCP (Survey) Flotilla gets a mention, even if not named - a unit that more should be heard about. 👍
That was fascinating. I had visited Normandy in 1989 and saw the remains of the Mulberry Harbour. The fact that pieces of the harbour were used to help the Dutch with the flooding in the 1950SaaS also interesting.
Nice to see the photo of the Mulberry Phoenix sections at Portland Harbour at 34:49. Incidentally, the boat in the foreground, offloading passengers on the pontoon is My Girl, a pleasure craft which serviced ships in Portland Harbour throughout World War II. Not a Dunkirk little ship but a WWII veteran all the same
My Dad crewed some of the scuttled block ships. Thank very much.
Fascinating subject - I knew about the harbors of course but hadn't really looked into the details. So really appreciated this video!
Drach sounded like he REALLY liked writing this one up. Very cool in all ways. sm
Excellent video, thank you, Drach! I hadn't known that the Mulberrys were quite so complex - they're even more impressiv than I'd thought!
For some reason, I have been aware of The Mulberry Harbours, what they did and how they did it, since I was quite a small boy. 65+ years ago. Either my dad (an Engineer) or my Grandad (WWI vet) had clearly told me. However, it wasn't until about ten years ago that my friends and I rounded off a trip to Belgium, by racing southwest and spending a day and a night in Arromanches. The Mulberry museum there absolutely fascinated me and one exhibit there has become, for me, the single most significant artefact of not only the museum itself, the whole Mulberry harbour concept, but indeed the whole war. The other one was Bletchley Park, Alan Turing and the Ultra project.
On the wall in an insignificant corner of the Mulberry museum there is a monochrome 8x10 aerial photograph. At first glance it is little more than just a nice, comprehensive image of Mulberry B (Arromanches) in its first few days at maximum capacity - about 10,000 tons per day. Around 15th June 1944. Then you look more carefully and realise this photograph was taken BY THE GERMANS from no less than 11,000 METRES up. Therefore, the aeroplane must have been a jet aircraft - (probably an Arado 234) nothing else could have evaded allied aircraft or defenses.
Once the photograph had been processed and passed to the OKW, the Germans should have realised - had they been rational, logical opponents - that the Allies had brought with them TWO PORTS THE SIZE OF DOVER! Therefore; there was no way they could be defeated and every week spent trying to stop them, would mean more and more of their own casualties and destruction. Negotiated cease fire was imperative. But they weren't rational and logical, were they?
From more detailed study of the Mulberry Harbours, I have learned the Americans never liked the idea. For a number of reasons - none of them good, military or practical - one of which Drachinfel elaborates. They all had to be built in Britain and second; they were all designed in Britain, by Brits and thus; 'Not invented here'. It is no accident Mulberry B survived and operated until almost November 1944 and it was BECAUSE the Americans OFFICIALLY disregarded British advice and instructions to anchor the bridges and Spuds securely. They always preferred their DUKW ferry method, because it was their idea.
It is true Britain could not have won WWII on our own or without the Americans, but it is equally true that it was almost as conceivable that we could have lost it with them. Thank you Drahinfel and thank you Mulberry B, about which few people know or remember, or realise just how important it was.
"We found that the waves at the American harbour were significantly larger than those at the British Mulberry - although both experienced waves larger than they were designed to withstand. This goes a long way to explain why the American harbour failed whilst the British one narrowly survived."
University of Oxford The storm that struck the Mulberry Harbours page
"Undismayed by the destruction of their artificial harbour, the Americans applied to the development of the Omaha and Utah anchorages their tremendous talent for invention and organization. In defiance of orthodox opinion they beached coasters (LST's) and unloaded them direct into Army lorries at low tide... during July the Americans here handled more than twice the tonnage which passed through the British Mulberry."
Chester, Wilmot , The Struggle for Europe page 387
Project Habbakuk: Britain's secret attempt to build an ice warship
mean at that point in the war it was clear to both sides that there could be nothing but total victory, and as more and more evidence of the crimes against humanity the Germans had done that became more and more the focus, the German regime needed to be stopped and removed as there'd be no peace without that
The Americans seem to have form with turning up late and then ignoring the advice and experience of those who have already learned the hard way. You can add the early North Africa campaign and daylight bombing as well as some ww1 activities as examples. Their contribution was invaluable, but they could have saved themselves a lot of effort and lost lives by just accepting that people who have already been at it for a few years might actually know something about it.
That was so VERY INFORMATIVE ! ! ! WOW - THANKS so much ! ! ! Simply Fascinating ! ! !
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I'd read about the mulberry harbors, but I had only a vague understanding of them. Thank you for making it all so easily understandable.
Loved the description of the group of people put together for this. “ Cat herders?” 😂😂😂😂
Another very interesting show Drach. Unaware of the post war uses of the various components till now.
Cheers mate 👍👍
Whenever someone goes on about the Chinese invading Taiwan, this comes to my mind. The sheer logistical hurdles they would face and have to overcome leave me shaking my head.
I'm sure every vital Taiwanese resource like the TSMC foundries are rigged to blow too
yes and no, Taiwan is an island, so the logistics side can be handled much easier, as you don't need Millions of soldiers, Tanks and other stuff for it, Mulberry was designed to spearhead the invasion of France and the European Mainland, where Germany could potentially send multiple army groups to deal with the invasion,
but yes China would need extensive logistics networks in the form of auxiliaries and transport helicopters to facilitate that invasion as it'll be a long and brutal fight, and for the short of it, they don't have the experience nor the capabilities as far as I'm aware to make that work, even without any external factors
@@Voron_Aggrav An island with a standing army of 300.000 and 3.000.000 reservists. So, yes, you need a million-sized (or close) invading force
@@salvadorsempere1701 yes, but they don't need to support that army moving halfway into France and Belgium, most of the fighting will be for the beachheads, moment they're established it's pretty much over, so the logistics strain wouldn't be as massive
@@Voron_Aggrav Don't forget that Taiwa consist of two kinds of landscape. Urban areas and mountainous terrain. If the defenders are determined they can inflict heavy casulties even if they are ultimately doomed to be destroyed.
This is the result when you turn a roomful of outside of the box thinkers loose on a problem. And, the PowerPoint presentation in the washroom... perfection.
Wow! All my questions about port logistics answered. Operationally, I'm quivering. I had an opponent who conducted D-Day at LaRochelle'44 in a GDW game( 2 Mulberries; good weather). Looks like we calculated the port capacities and off-loads fairly well.
Everyone involved did one heck of a job solving one of the single largest logistical problems of the war.
I would be more inclined to say "largest logistical problem ever".
When anything gets handled, from one mode of transport to another, it is not only slow and laborious but always incurs damage.
I'm reminded of a story from (I think it was) Ken Burns "The Civil War" about Confederate soldiers were ordered to attack a Union-held railroad tunnel and how one of the soldiers complained it would be useless because the Yankees were so rich, they probably had spare tunnels, too.
Another tour de force, Uncle Drach! Waterlogged topic buoyed by much dry humour! Outstanding!
"Undismayed by the destruction of their artificial harbour, the Americans applied to the development of the Omaha and Utah anchorages their tremendous talent for invention and organization. In defiance of orthodox opinion they beached coasters (LST's) and unloaded them direct into Army lorries at low tide... during July the Americans here handled more than twice the tonnage which passed through the British Mulberry."
Chester, Wilmot , The Struggle for Europe page 387
Drach, very impressed and delighted with the detail amd delivery in this video. My father was 11 months old when my country was attacked. His parents *Never* trusted anyone even vaguely oriental after that, nor did they forgive.
More to the point, the ‘lunatic in a shed’ building stuff stuck with our family. Due in some large part, finding out what mankind *can do* when properly motivated from History-Channel programs in my youth cemented my-own career goals in engineering.
I do really wish that my father had lived to see your videos - especially this one. I am absolutely certain he would have watched more than once.
There is a winery near me called Mulberry Vineyards. Very good wine but I never go there without thinking about these.
Thank you. That struck me as one of the most accurate yet concise documentaries about the Mulberry harbours I've seen ot heard. Thank you.
1975, I camped two nights behind the landing grounds. There was far more there and about five PLUTO, Petrol Line Under The Ocean, came ashore at Calais, a month later. Some nine pipes in all.
This is a fascinating collection of photographs of Mulberry and related matters. By coincidence, I am reading Guy Hartcup's book about Mulberry for the second time. This video adds a significant amount of detail. Weymouth being my home town I was also aware of the arrival of the two Phoenix caissons to act a wind breaks for Portland Harbour's Q pier.
These are one of the greatest feats of engineering in history in my opinion. The scale and nature of them is honestly hard for me to grasp. The Allies needed a port able to supply an invasion force of as much as two million men, but they were all to heavily defended to be easily captured. *So they built one from scratch.*
The English managed to weaponize autism before it was a thing. One of the the tanks they sent in carried huge rolling tubes with weights chaied to them to destroy a huge path through landmines, they did not want to be slowed down at all. The Americans were very resistant to every idea the English had to the point of not even wanting to use some of the inventions, at least until they heard reports on how well they worked.
10:19 Metal Bawkses !!
I read somewhere that Stalin kept whining about the delay in starting the second front, because he had no idea what it entailed. This video gives us an idea.
8:58 I'm laughing like crazy at your description of the "bathroom demonstration". A hilarious moment, told with the classic Drach wit.
An excellent commentary. I was aware of and have done reading about the b-day temp harbours but never fully understood them until your presentation. Thank you. mrg
@ 12:00 (ish) This is what happened to the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse! They put in baffles to slow the erosion, but they made it worse! I served at a small Naval Facility and more than once we had to assist a even smaller Coast Guard unit Sand Bag the area around the lighthouse whenever a Hurricane was coming close...
Eventually they moved the entire Lighthouse (in one piece) further inshore 2,900 feet (~881m) in Sept. 1999!!!
Great video
It is important to remember that brothers often fight as practice for when the outsider shows up.
I was able to search through your channel history and counted you saying "Square Cubed Law" 4,793 separate times. Love it!
Great video Drach
The first time I have seen a documentary about the makeshift harbour. Well done Dr Drach. The upkeep of these structures till the end of their use must have been an experience, with irregular weather and fast tides threatening them
I love that you make videos and sometimes even a video series about things that get one solitary sentence in many history books like the American torpedos, Pearl Harbor clean up and this.
Absolutely brilliant recounting of this very important part of Overlord. Well done Drach.
We probably used some of the same concepts in our (occasionally) floating bridges here in Washington State, USA. With the same partial success rate as Mulberries A and B too.
I love the 5 minute guide to warships being 35 minutes of harbour engineering. More please (of both)!
Outstanding episode. You have excelled yourself Sir!
While in my head, I knew something like this had to be done, hearing about it is fascinating! Thanks :)
Well done, Drach!
I've seen a few other documentaries of the Mulberry Harbours, but they focused more on the construction - concept to ready-for-use - than deployment and use.
Fantastic episode. 🇨🇦 Veteran
A wonderful story of derring-do, engineering and mad scientists! Beautifully told, as usual. How you compressed all the myriad salient points of this huge operation into half an hour is a wonder in itself. Bravo!