It totally is. I usually consider running double long range weapons to not be a very viable strat, but it worked really well so far on all the matches I have played on this map. From any angle I can either 1vs1 with a pulse or get a free kill on someone off-guard with a sniper. Probably not gonna be like this foverer, people just aren't used to the map so they stand still in very unsafe angles.
I gotta say the ending to Game 2 was pure hype. Cross going in and popping his Bubble on top of their Bubble like what now and the dude just nopes right the f out of there haha.
They just brought back the adept Igneous, why are they removing it already? This is a bunch of crap. But at least we still get the adept glaive and trace rifle. Because everyone who plays pvp wants those. That glaive is a gamechanger in pvp.
Why is rapid hit the most desirable perk on pulses (along with headseeker obvi) when perp motion should be better? One burst adds 14 stability whereas perp motion is +20 before first burst, not to mention the +20 handling/reload
Because it's a 120 hand Cannon , mostly used in a stationary position , missing 1 of your shots will cost you a lot ! Not like a 140 or a smg / auto rifle , that's why people like to be steady and have a perk that makes the weapon intrinsically better without need any specific action to trigger
@@hashim4512 so there is no special interaction to ur knowledge on rapid hit doing anything extra for hand cannons or pulses? Other than the stability/reload mentioned in the perk description
@@Mig1337o there is , the stability it self and the recoil will dictate how far your reticule will go up when you shoot , getting a high stability weapon will make your reticule go up less , and , most importantly , go down faster ....like resetting the initial position , so imagine a weapon that keep on getting it s reticule higher and higher , you would aim at the head , it would go up and you will start missing your shots , having rapid hit will allow you to negate that to a considerable extent making your hand Cannon laser without pushing the reticule too much ( it has to do with cone and aim assist mostly ) but yeah , I my self , got keep away precision instrument on my adept Iggy , slapped an adept stability , it feels crisp ngl
@@Mig1337o answer for pulses now : we will take messenger for exemple , rapide hit is S tier because it procs of each bullet , meaning you reach X3 with one burst , and each bullet coming out will come out in a more stable pattern with each stack , turning your pulse rifle into a beam weapon And most importantly : stability = more anti flinch too
@hashim4512 Thanks for the clarification mate! Yeah ive heard from ppl saying that rapid hit negates the 60 recoil direction so you can put on an adept mod on messenger. However mine rolled with arrowhead and 74 stability so i dont see the need for rapid hit, especially when perp motion or moving target would be more beneficial
@@Johhnyy-j2m They nerfed it during this season to be a 3 headshot kill, or was that only for checkmate? There's been so much special ammo and weapon tuning this season with checkmate its been hard to keep track of it all
Hey frost! Since we're getting closer and closer to Final Shape, it'd be SO much fun if you played Uno with your friends just to test your friendships with them 😈😂
I totally agreed with u Frost , I am so sad strand for hunter , I literally switch my warlock main to play hunter because of strand for PvP, I am mad too why the hack no one complained about such Nerf
@@catkiller16 The recoil direction is 95 like the old igneous, but the new igneous has deterministic recoil that makes it more consistent, but less vertical. Making the recoil direction 100 makes the gun feel quite a bit better IMO.
Yea sometimes i get a brave weapon drop from doing master lost sectors. Never got a shiny version yet but it's a rare thing that happens! Guess Bungie just randomly gives out brave weapons and didn't mention it at all...
They nerfed bubble and knockout as well and almost nobody plays striker. I think most people are generally fine with titan nerfs and the community reliably goes up in arms about every hunter nerf (since half the players play hunter)
Always feel bad doing trials, I know I'm not too good and people are tryharding. I always try to not be too heavy to carry but some people are so mean to non-pvp players trying to dip their toes in.
@@Neon_tedious yeah because shitters like you go onto an endgame mode and throw games because you’re terrible. Instead stick to pve or anything not endgame. Lost many cards because people like you
Define OP. The term gets thrown around quite a bit. Strand hunter in pvp is definitely one of the best loadouts but its not far and away better than the other top class loadouts, in fact its probably not even the strongest. Bubble titan and maybe welllock with the right exotics are probably still stronger (and cheesier)
@@raincity3s I wouldn't say it's op, It's just insanely annoying to go against. It's like they intentionally put all of the cheesy bs on hunter. between the suspend dive, the clones, the double grenade and double clone threadling spam, the double grapple getting you across the entire map in less than a second. Hunter strand is just very annoying to play against.
@@raincity3s Bubble and well suck ass outside of trials though. Just don't engage and the super is totally worthless. Not to mention the fact that bubble or well is bait for a shutdown super. Golden gun is fucking op as shit in the right hands. You can't just run away from it like you can well or bubble or even some of the roaming supers.
@@lakwasredestdu5811 i haven't unlocked it. That why I been looking around to see if you can still get it. After 3 resets and no summoner I beginning to think you can't.
I get very nervous and end up choking so honestly it's better I wait to get a little better than to be the reason another person doesn't get the flawless
Double XP + Igneous = I guess I'm gunna slog through some Trials! I want a PVE Roll 😄 I really like 120's, Igneous is arguably the best of all 120's & there's one perk combo escaping me! It might not be Adept but I got a 4/5 (For Me!) PVP Roll. Fluted, Hi-Cal (Wanted Ricochet) Healclip, EOTS, Range MW. Was hoping for that little extra Stability bump from Ricochet 😔 So now I just need to manifest the RNG from RNGesus or Lootcifer & get Smallbore/Hammer-Forged, Ricochet Rounds, Healclip, Incandescent, Stability MW for PVE.
While I usually don’t care what people use…why a 120 in PVE at all? There are so many other options with that exact roll and I believe there are craftable ones as well
@@keithgreen5177you’ll be able to enhance the igneous in TFS but also lunas will be able to be too so i’d say just grind for a heal clip incan lunas and you’ll be set
@@keithgreen5177 No 120 Hand Cannons with Healclip. I'm not gunna take it into a GM or a Raid, but Strikes, regular Onslaught might test it out in Legend, Planetary nonsense etc. I really enjoy how they feel & I'd like one that can at least pull it's weight when up against a Zaouli's Bane, my usual go to.
got my 1st flawless this weekend and got a smallbore, flared mag, rapid hit, gold tri/eye range mw igneous hammer. could be better sure but for my 1st ever adept trials wep ill be keeping it
It bodes well for my chances this weekend if FrostBolt and Cross are down 2-0 in their first match... I don't even wanna play now. Course I would probably get babooned 3 times per card, so it would probably be a waste of time anyway
That handcannon is not good in my opinion based on its recoil direction. I have the adept version and it does not perform very well in some situations. Solid perks though.
You can't talking about Igneous right? The stat monster with the best perks which is literally the best 120 in the game and 2nd place isn't even close.
Its so funny u said “its gonna be hard for solos” and here I am with one of my top 5 easiest solo flawless ever. Idk y it was so fast and relatively easy-ish but I did it on my first mercy had only 1 loss and boom took me like 54 mins. Even after farming hasnt been crazy sweaty. Last weekend was the exact opposite it took me like 7+ hrs to go solo flawless idk y its so random 😂😂. Last week for iggy im goin IN .
@imstuckstepbro1934 bro if I want to play trial I'm gonna play trial who the fuck r u to tell me to stay off something I'm good bro I play what I want when I want ur the 1 that make the community toxic bro lmfao this guy lol
Yeah is what they do man they can never leave stuff alone because they see one person do something only 000. 1 % could probably do it ..... being a smart-ass but yeah they shouldn't have stuff into the ground like that that's why we like the game for stuff like that
gambit is only hated and "bad" cause most of the general population plays it wrong as hell. stealing motes, invading at the wrong time, wasting supers unnecessarily. i could write a book.
W map W gun W match-making (80% winrate so far ) but L laggy freaks shutting down entire games because they refuse to ban laggy players from competitive pvp modes.
Strand nerf so dumb 😂😂😂 I’ve killed so many people when they tried to suspend and suspend if ur on warlock the broken melee can still hit em while your suspended
Every angle seems like death on this map
It is a death for sure
Stay with your team brother. Just pay attention to where they go and swing after they start shooting. It’ll win you some games
It totally is. I usually consider running double long range weapons to not be a very viable strat, but it worked really well so far on all the matches I have played on this map. From any angle I can either 1vs1 with a pulse or get a free kill on someone off-guard with a sniper. Probably not gonna be like this foverer, people just aren't used to the map so they stand still in very unsafe angles.
@@pch1370 double long range is silly and that’s why you aren’t flawless
yea..... i dont wanna talk about it. map makes me sad
I gotta say the ending to Game 2 was pure hype.
Cross going in and popping his Bubble on top of their Bubble like what now and the dude just nopes right the f out of there haha.
cold denial, a person with taste belongs on a lore page 100%
They just brought back the adept Igneous, why are they removing it already? This is a bunch of crap. But at least we still get the adept glaive and trace rifle. Because everyone who plays pvp wants those. That glaive is a gamechanger in pvp.
@@otisdriftwood7094 I mean everyone did have plenty of chances to farm, and farming adept weapons has never been easier
Oh man, seeing you come back versus the bagging crew at the beggining made me feel warm and fuzzy.
At 4:35 ? To me it looked like he was bagging his team member, not Frost.
He was definitely bagging his own teammate
I was y’all’s teammate on the 2nd to last game, love both of you guys and sorry I was doing so bad at first lol
Do you have a DIM link to the build you're using?
that shot gun dodge insane
Why is rapid hit the most desirable perk on pulses (along with headseeker obvi) when perp motion should be better?
One burst adds 14 stability whereas perp motion is +20 before first burst, not to mention the +20 handling/reload
Because it's a 120 hand Cannon , mostly used in a stationary position , missing 1 of your shots will cost you a lot ! Not like a 140 or a smg / auto rifle , that's why people like to be steady and have a perk that makes the weapon intrinsically better without need any specific action to trigger
@@hashim4512 so there is no special interaction to ur knowledge on rapid hit doing anything extra for hand cannons or pulses? Other than the stability/reload mentioned in the perk description
@@Mig1337o there is , the stability it self and the recoil will dictate how far your reticule will go up when you shoot , getting a high stability weapon will make your reticule go up less , and , most importantly , go down faster ....like resetting the initial position , so imagine a weapon that keep on getting it s reticule higher and higher , you would aim at the head , it would go up and you will start missing your shots , having rapid hit will allow you to negate that to a considerable extent making your hand Cannon laser without pushing the reticule too much ( it has to do with cone and aim assist mostly ) but yeah , I my self , got keep away precision instrument on my adept Iggy , slapped an adept stability , it feels crisp ngl
@@Mig1337o answer for pulses now : we will take messenger for exemple , rapide hit is S tier because it procs of each bullet , meaning you reach X3 with one burst , and each bullet coming out will come out in a more stable pattern with each stack , turning your pulse rifle into a beam weapon
And most importantly : stability = more anti flinch too
@hashim4512 Thanks for the clarification mate! Yeah ive heard from ppl saying that rapid hit negates the 60 recoil direction so you can put on an adept mod on messenger. However mine rolled with arrowhead and 74 stability so i dont see the need for rapid hit, especially when perp motion or moving target would be more beneficial
How was frost getting the 2 head 1 body? Precision Instrument?
No that’s just 120 , they let you 2 head one body
@@Johhnyy-j2m They nerfed it during this season to be a 3 headshot kill, or was that only for checkmate? There's been so much special ammo and weapon tuning this season with checkmate its been hard to keep track of it all
Hey frost! Since we're getting closer and closer to Final Shape, it'd be SO much fun if you played Uno with your friends just to test your friendships with them 😈😂
Make this top comment!😂
They could do this during the downtime…
Brooooo fr 😂
What does uno have to do with final shape?
@@gandalfdawhitekid913 you don’t get it?
I managed to get a quick solo flawless on this map before leaving for vacation today and the map played fairly solid
Same man, of course no matter the map the teammates seem to have lukewarm IQ but I got my flawless and enjoyed the map!
I totally agreed with u Frost , I am so sad strand for hunter , I literally switch my warlock main to play hunter because of strand for PvP, I am mad too why the hack no one complained about such Nerf
FINALLY got my Iridescent emblem this weekend, also got a nasty adept roll with Arrowhead/Ricochet/Rapid Hit/EotS/Handling MW
Arrowhead is kinda a waste
@@catkiller16 The recoil direction is 95 like the old igneous, but the new igneous has deterministic recoil that makes it more consistent, but less vertical. Making the recoil direction 100 makes the gun feel quite a bit better IMO.
@catkiller16 better than the handling and stability loss from Full Bore tho
@@Rain-uw3cp damn there actually is a big difference
Yea sometimes i get a brave weapon drop from doing master lost sectors. Never got a shiny version yet but it's a rare thing that happens! Guess Bungie just randomly gives out brave weapons and didn't mention it at all...
I got a random brave weapon weapon when farming 1st encounter of warlords ruin
@@Neon_tedious guessing Bungie dropping them in activities randomly?!
What a great 3s map. Good god the angles. Great video fellas
I love this map, I only started playing trials like 4 weeks ago and I went flawless on this map. Love the angles
@@2004Burris nice one, before I thought i hated this map until I played on it this week, great map
I just can't figure out what to run on this map. Didn't have much luck on my games tonight.
Frost , what roll you got on adept iggy ? Thats the best part of the video
You can see from the perks activating, it's keep away / precision instrument
@@_goyonder_4899 no i mean the one he got from the chest at the end
@@hashim4512 ah ok mb
I think i didnt catch the news, why is it the last chance to get the igneous hammer? will it be removed in the final shape?
Yeah its moving out of rotation in the final shape, you will still be able to focus the non adept one though
@@HenriDP oh ok, thank you so much ^^
Ok question everyone has anyone loaded into trials and their teammates vanish before round start?? Idk if this is a glitch or someone is carry farming
13:01 for the time i "smashed" that like button
They nerfed bubble and knockout as well and almost nobody plays striker. I think most people are generally fine with titan nerfs and the community reliably goes up in arms about every hunter nerf (since half the players play hunter)
They didn’t nerf overshields tho 😂😂😂
love you guys and excellent team mates
We're gonna be holding tryouts hahaha
Always feel bad doing trials, I know I'm not too good and people are tryharding. I always try to not be too heavy to carry but some people are so mean to non-pvp players trying to dip their toes in.
I just turn off comms and chat when playing solo. People go nuts when they lose their flawless card
@@Neon_tediousI see the 2 shitters that ruin trials cards. If you’re shit at PVP don’t play trials
And folks wonder why the playlist is 💩
Play more comp before trials, get a feel for the current gunplay needed to perform. And how to play maps
@@Neon_tedious yeah because shitters like you go onto an endgame mode and throw games because you’re terrible. Instead stick to pve or anything not endgame. Lost many cards because people like you
Frost trying to convince us that strand hunter isn't OP is crazy!!!
Define OP. The term gets thrown around quite a bit. Strand hunter in pvp is definitely one of the best loadouts but its not far and away better than the other top class loadouts, in fact its probably not even the strongest. Bubble titan and maybe welllock with the right exotics are probably still stronger (and cheesier)
Try playing strand hunter. You would get shut down so fast.
The stand hunters you get killed by have spent a lot of hours with the build.
@@raincity3s a strand hunter with cyrtaranrchane is up their firmly withg bubble titan and wellock.
@@raincity3s I wouldn't say it's op, It's just insanely annoying to go against. It's like they intentionally put all of the cheesy bs on hunter. between the suspend dive, the clones, the double grenade and double clone threadling spam, the double grapple getting you across the entire map in less than a second. Hunter strand is just very annoying to play against.
@@raincity3s Bubble and well suck ass outside of trials though. Just don't engage and the super is totally worthless. Not to mention the fact that bubble or well is bait for a shutdown super. Golden gun is fucking op as shit in the right hands. You can't just run away from it like you can well or bubble or even some of the roaming supers.
Igneous range is crazy,,, and one of your throwing knives lied to you towards the end
Eventide felt easier to get a grip on faster, dissonance is cool. Maybe I just gotta get good. But it’s frustrating rn :/
Used passage of persistence and got my adept iggy KA and PI or Opening shot range masterwork 🙏
Man the luck of rng is insane congrats. I got useless encore frenzy or incandencet 🫠🫠🫠
I did a legend lost sector and I got a blast furnace to drop.
Gonna be crying in a panduh video
You gottta play some xdefiant before final shape comes out
Is Ignious Hammer going away?
Yes
Feels like he hasn't played with ZK in a while
i wonder what the average player thinks when they see Frostbolt and Aztecross on the same team pre loading. I'd be like "Oh fk me!"
37:37 Nah Bro, first try yesterday and im NOT as that good but it was sweaty indeed 😂
Can the summmoner drop from trail engrams ?
Yes
@@camero55465 god i don't feel like it does😂. Three resets and nothing
diddy3383 just focus the engram, u get a guaranteed one that way
@@lakwasredestdu5811 i haven't unlocked it. That why I been looking around to see if you can still get it. After 3 resets and no summoner I beginning to think you can't.
I would love to get it but I’m not good enough to go flawless
What's the point of being in a clan if the clan members never play with each other?
I ain't gonna do trials, because I'm bad
Just find a chill team and relax a bit. You don't have to win every match lol
@@bluyu can't, I get very pissed off about dying and losing
I get very nervous and end up choking so honestly it's better I wait to get a little better than to be the reason another person doesn't get the flawless
@@Catlover-ww5og Oof. I have that same problem sometimes lol
@@bluyu if you want an adept,you do lol
Double XP + Igneous = I guess I'm gunna slog through some Trials! I want a PVE Roll 😄 I really like 120's, Igneous is arguably the best of all 120's & there's one perk combo escaping me! It might not be Adept but I got a 4/5 (For Me!) PVP Roll. Fluted, Hi-Cal (Wanted Ricochet) Healclip, EOTS, Range MW. Was hoping for that little extra Stability bump from Ricochet 😔
So now I just need to manifest the RNG from RNGesus or Lootcifer & get Smallbore/Hammer-Forged, Ricochet Rounds, Healclip, Incandescent, Stability MW for PVE.
While I usually don’t care what people use…why a 120 in PVE at all? There are so many other options with that exact roll and I believe there are craftable ones as well
@@keithgreen5177you’ll be able to enhance the igneous in TFS but also lunas will be able to be too so i’d say just grind for a heal clip incan lunas and you’ll be set
@@keithgreen5177 No 120 Hand Cannons with Healclip. I'm not gunna take it into a GM or a Raid, but Strikes, regular Onslaught might test it out in Legend, Planetary nonsense etc. I really enjoy how they feel & I'd like one that can at least pull it's weight when up against a Zaouli's Bane, my usual go to.
Lunas howl with health clip and incandescent is better
Strand hunter is op! But so is blinklock 😂
100% get nKuch in!
got my 1st flawless this weekend and got a smallbore, flared mag, rapid hit, gold tri/eye range mw igneous hammer. could be better sure but for my 1st ever adept trials wep ill be keeping it
It bodes well for my chances this weekend if FrostBolt and Cross are down 2-0 in their first match... I don't even wanna play now. Course I would probably get babooned 3 times per card, so it would probably be a waste of time anyway
Would love to go to lighthouse 😢
Started playing when strand came out. I still have not went flawless. Even with the recent changes. I’m not good. But I try man. It sucks.
That handcannon is not good in my opinion based on its recoil direction. I have the adept version and it does not perform very well in some situations. Solid perks though.
You can't talking about Igneous right? The stat monster with the best perks which is literally the best 120 in the game and 2nd place isn't even close.
Cross isnt in Primal anymore?
Ik that’s what I was wondering too
He's in his own clan so he can save up clan bounties
I went flawless but got pony error anyone wanna help me get it again?
Nerfed the warlock helmet and there’s a clone. Smoke bomb and Hunter around every corner. R
Frost doesn't care about his youtube fans he never reacts to the comments of his fans
Frost-" strand hunter isn't metah"
Also Frost currently playing in a match against 2 strand hunters a 1 more on his team lmaoo. Bros clueless
He said it's not OP. Which it isn't. But yea it's good AND fun.
Its so funny u said “its gonna be hard for solos” and here I am with one of my top 5 easiest solo flawless ever. Idk y it was so fast and relatively easy-ish but I did it on my first mercy had only 1 loss and boom took me like 54 mins. Even after farming hasnt been crazy sweaty. Last weekend was the exact opposite it took me like 7+ hrs to go solo flawless idk y its so random 😂😂. Last week for iggy im goin IN .
ICrossBolt.. 👌
I did solo in 2 hours but my brother whos pretty close to as skilled as i am has been playin trials for 7 hours
My fave trials team up
I know a lot of people ask but I would love to try to get to the Lighthouse someday lmfao I know it will never happen but I can't dream can't I lmfao
Get better at pvp and stay off of trials until then
@imstuckstepbro1934 bro if I want to play trial I'm gonna play trial who the fuck r u to tell me to stay off something I'm good bro I play what I want when I want ur the 1 that make the community toxic bro lmfao this guy lol
hey frost i love you vids
I'll take an invite to PRML 😅
Yeah is what they do man they can never leave stuff alone because they see one person do something only 000. 1 % could probably do it ..... being a smart-ass but yeah they shouldn't have stuff into the ground like that that's why we like the game for stuff like that
Bro even bungie made a post that said get good, but you are that good with strand hunter. So they nerfed it cuz ifrabo was too good at strand hunter💀
gambit is only hated and "bad" cause most of the general population plays it wrong as hell. stealing motes, invading at the wrong time, wasting supers unnecessarily. i could write a book.
Can confirm messenger + trespasser ripppps on this map.
Frost is coooollllllllddddddd
Don't like this map, previous eventide labs was much better
The first team was 100% better then your team
W map W gun W match-making (80% winrate so far ) but L laggy freaks shutting down entire games because they refuse to ban laggy players from competitive pvp modes.
It might be you, but laggy players get banned more in this game than any other from my experience
When we take thy Holy God's name in vain we hurt ones around us especially your own self .
$15 in silver for a trials carry and additional $50 if I get one of 3 rolls I want.
got stomped 6 games in a row, uninstalled the game
I haven’t played d2 in about half a year and you’ve become washed frost
Strand nerf so dumb 😂😂😂 I’ve killed so many people when they tried to suspend and suspend if ur on warlock the broken melee can still hit em while your suspended
First
Frost i got love for ya n watch all ur vids but pls stop wit da strand talk,shits a lil broke
disliked, you didn't show the roll.