Nicolas Winding Refn Interview Too Old To Die Young
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Nicolas Winding Refn Interview Too Old To Die Young
Nicolas Winding Refn makes his streaming debut wth Too Old to Die Young, the new Amazon series that gives the filmmaker a 13-hour platform to weave another slick and cynical tapestry of the Los Angeles criminal underground. Miles Teller stars as an L.A. cop who starts moonlighting as a hired assassin. Too Old to Die Young is Refn to the bone, alight with his signature stylings and perverse narrative fascinations, and with the full series now streaming on Amazon, it was a hoot to welcome the filmmaker into the Collider studio for an in-depth chat about the project and his jump into streaming.
During the wide-ranging chat, Refn discussed the challenges of executing a 10-month shoot and what he does when he goes “cuckoo” in the process, why he recruited comic legend Ed Brubaker to help him write the scripts, why he’s so passionate about streaming and why it was the right medium for this project, why he considers Too Old to Die Young a “13-hour movie” rather than a TV series, why he values polarization in art, why he hasn’t directed a studio film but still wants to do Batgirl, and a lot more. Watch what he had to say in the interview above and check out a full list of what we discussed below.
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For my money, Refn is one of the most brilliant artists on the planet right now and this show will probably go down as his magnum opus. Absolute masterpiece
What are you defining by "his magnum opus"
Hmm Honestly The Craziest Thing About it Is That He Probably Still Got Room For Improvement I Feel His Best It Still His First Pusher.
@@JaquesCouteau TOO OLD
Gogo Gaga it’s funny because he hates those films.. he wasn’t really born and came into his own style till Bronson and Valhalla he literally said the pusher films were just for money, they were not creatively fulfilling at all to him.
@@Toastsandy To Be Precise He Says That About The 2nd and 3rd that He Was Force To Made After The Movie He made 2003 Flopped
THANK YOU COLLIDER! Ten reasons why this show is not just amazing, but also a game-changer:
10. The visuals are absolutely stunning. Freeze any moment, and it could be framed as a picture beautiful enough to hang on a wall. More specifically, the use of neon lighting in the darkness, and its contrast with surrealist daylight received the thumbs up from NWR’s friend, director Alejandro Jodorowsky.
9. Not one character is a “throw-a-way.” From Teller and Hawkes, right on down to the minor characters, all contributed to Refn’s palette.
8. Surprisingly funny moments range from the police force (or police “farce”), to Billy Baldwin’s quirkiness, and the perfect use of Barry Manilow’s Mandy in the epic Episode 5.
7. Based on the casting in Too Old to Die Young, and her performance, Cristina Rodlo appears poised to be a breakout star.
6. Attention to detail was remarkable. For example, even regional Mexican dialect was replicated.
5. Teaming up with writers Ed Brubaker and Halley Gross, and pulling again from the creative energy of The Neon Demon’s Jena Malone tells us that NWR is at his best when collaborating with the right kind of talent.
4. Composer Cliff Martinez brought his game to a whole new level. The score was literally ear candy because his signature electronic sound was elevated by the following acoustic embellishments: violin/viola (Starlight Cantina), piano and french horn (The High Priestess of Death), soprano sustained vocal tones (Viggo and Diana) and the ominous cello sounds battling with war drums (Naked Guy Murder, and especially Kill Me Clean and Fast). Bravo!
3. The themes are striking: child abuse, sexual deviancy, efforts at redemption, toxic narcissism, and even the creep toward fascism.
2. Shout out to Amazon for helping fund a project in which Refn can be Refn in all his glory, and airing such a bold project. Now they should promote it more widely, so that others can even know to partake in true art.
1. More than just a TV series, Refn wrote this as a 13 hour FILM. Forever the alchemist, he was proven once again to be visionary - as he sought to demonstrate how film style and quality CAN translate to streaming services. I believe that time will prove him right.
I'd argue that he made several movies that happened to link together narratively and thematically. I really don't think of it as a tv show and don't watch it as one. I watch the episodes in order but in the way I'd watch a film. No more than one a day, and I let the one process for a bit before moving on.
There's no way you're gonna tell me episode 2 felt like a necessary episode of that show vs being a film that simply explored the backstory of a couple of supporting players. Love the show tho.
Shout out to the interviewer for the great questions! Keep doing it!
Wow you guys are giving an actual artist a platform.
Ha! I know right!
@Brock Camilo never heard of it... Gonna check it out thanks
This interview is so good. I like how professionaly interviewer was talking and pushing to talk. Nicolas Refn also was interested in talk. Thank you guys for that interview
agreed - excellent interviewer!
Yeah she’s good this was great
Rehn is a genius. dudes a beast, one of those rare hyperstylish magicians who make magic every, single single time, the past few years
Refn is one of the most exciting filmmakers working in Hollywood today. Happy to see Collider get a long interview with him for Too Old To Die Young.
she did a great job n she earned his attention. you can tell she likes him a lot but she was real chill. very good job indeed.
Refreshing to hear a good interviewer
Episode 5 is a masterpiece. The whole show is just wonderful.
>refers to himself as NWR
...and I'm loving it
Beautifully conducted interview. Always very nice to see thoughtful and interesting questions being addressed to NWR. The interviewer was very open to go a little deeper than a normal question and answer routine, and she did it without cringe or insenserity. Good good stuff.
Now i hope we will get "Avenging Silence" (his Tokyo based thriller) and, hopefully, TOTDY 2 after that, although i really doubt it for a number of reasons. Either way, the future looks so much brighter with NWR in it.
thank you Refn for this opus. and will enjoy it if this gets a bluray release, please?! Collider, thank you , keep up the great work!
"My mother always told me I was a genius"
TOTDY is fantastic and incredibly bold and original for taking an episodic streaming format and using it to tell a story in such a unique way. It really is more of a long-form movie than an episodic series. At the same time, unless someone is already a fan of NWR and his work, I'm not sure they'll enjoy it. It's incredible, but extremely hard to penetrate. It doesn't help that Prime Video isn't advertising it AT ALL.
I guess they count on the fact that you've mentioned in your post. The audinece for his stuff will find it, everybody else will bounce from it either way so A,azon are not advertising it to these people. Clever. But i would still prefer for this show (film) to get as wide of an attention as possible. Some of the normies could totally convert to more interesting art.
I love that he bundled the 2 episodes that he did for Cannes, while I was watching I remember thinking how some of the episodes could stand alone as a feature, episode 5 especially. However I truly wish episodes 9 and 10 didnt exist and he showed as much restraint as he did with the conclusion as he does during the rest of the series, those 2 eps are disarmingly bad. That all said, NWR is clearly a genius with a hyperfocused dedication to cinematic art, technique, process and his philosophy. Amazon must have shit themselves when he delivered this to them, they were hoping for Neon Demon meets Drive plus Whiplash charisma. It turned out wayyy different - dark, artsy and polemical, so they offered little to no marketing or press. This interview is excellent and I hope this series gets the credit it deserves.
Una de las mejores críticas que he leído 👍🏽 cheers !!!
Agree. The last 2 episodes were ultra disappointing. Especially the final one.
I've never clicked something soooo fast
Cool interview with Refn! His latest was definitely a treat for his fans, it's pure NWR (like how David Lynch's Twin Peaks:The Return was pure Lynch). But if you don't like his prior works/style, you will prob not like "Too Old To Die Young". The cast is great (Teller, Hawkes, Malone, Rodlo, *Baldwin and the hilarious Homicide det. unit), it's gorgeously shot, story is both intense, brutal & funny.
*Protip: I would not "binge" watch TOtDY, as Refn's style is very trancelike, the 90min average runtime of each episode puts you in a certain state and you may miss things (even fall asleep to the great Cliff Martinez score). I tried to binge, then stopped through Ep. 3, then restarted and watched one episode a night and really absorbed the series/film more.
How could you forget Billy Baldwin though
High art about lowlifes. Part Barry Lyndon, part Suspiria, this is the greatest thing going right now. I've got to seek out the few things of his that I haven't seen.
Hostetter if you haven't seen Valhalla rising watch that immediately
TOtDY was completely off my radar for some odd reason because I have been a gradually growing and evolving NWR fan since Bronson. Thankfully, an old friend (whom I hadn’t seen in nearly 20 years) brought it to my attention.
I immediately added TOtDY to my IMDB watchlist and started it the next night or so. I really got sucked into TOtDY and it reminded me of Fassbinder’s BERLIN ALEXANDERPLATZ in structure and audacity, especially their endings/prologues. Hypnotic, arrogant, indulgent, perceptive cinematic art. They’re not perfect and they’re self-indulgent endurance tests but you have to admire their generosity. My friend recommended it as a an NWR buffet; everything you love about NWR as a series, as opposed to a feature length.
My favorite director of all time, this man is creative genius.
Elvis, Travolta and John Wayne, I see it.. Perfect physical description. Great/ fascinating interview Haleigh.
I've always wanted to take a peek into NWR's brain. His projects are always visually stunning and I enjoyed that aspect of TOTDY! Looking forward to his next project and possibly... Batgirl??
Also, while it's on my mind, I dig how he allows his actors to operate within a free but focused space. I believe that only works though when the talent matches that format. TOTDY had an incredible cast but I feel a few drowned in that style while others rose to the occasion. Billy Baldwin(IMHO) being an example of someone in the ocean with cement shoes. The nose candy sniffles were like nails on a chalkboard.
Thank you for asking questions we haven't heard x10000000. Great interview!
This guy is a film master.
I had to watch it a second time to really appreciate it. Now i love it and want more.
so awesome, hope he does a second season to this or just more of these series in general. Like an anthology
He Wont Do It Again Miles T Don't Have Time Like That
@@gogogaga3974 well.... haha... yeah...
Too Old To Die Young is complete perfection. Nicolas is a God 💙
2:27 "... just painting every day..."
5:56 "And I went to Alejandro Jodorowsky in Paris to have a Tarot reading..."
I love the film/show how it wraps in a perfect circle of imperfection, with the last shot and the first shot.
The show is an unrivaled masterpiece! So stoked to see this interview!
If ever there were an opportunity to do a remake of MIAMI VICE, he should get first dibs. The idea of a fully immersive sunshine noir, without basic cable restraints, practically begs his involvement. I see a lot of early Michael Mann in his work.
TOTDY is the Sátántangó of crime drama.
Masterpiece. And the size of those are magnificent
I love his attitude on streaming. It's kind of the opposite of David Lynch being appalled that people would watch his movies "on a fucking telephone" (still love the man, though).
Good Interview, thanks.
Give this interviewer a raise - they asked poignant questions and let the subject speak his mind freely without interrupting, which is rare these days.
It's always been rare, mate.
...Fuckin´ loved TOTDY .. is mind-blowing...is amazing to know the creator in an excellent interview ...
great interview and questions
Its not for everyone, it is beautiful and scary, amazing work.
He has some big "my mom thinks I'm cool" energy here
yep, reminds me of kanye a bit
What do you mean...
I'm getting more of a general "pretentious douchebag" feel myself
@@Jamhol3 Wow you get that from in interview of a couple of minutes?
Great conversation shoutout to the interviewer
He's just on the borderline of pretentious, but his passion outweighs it.
Nic Refn wanted to say “the future is gaming” *as he finger guns and winks
Such an interesting guy, so keen to see the new show!
All you have to say is John Hawkes and I'm there
He finally did what he always wanted to do. Make a 13 hour movie. Lol
This was an interesting peek into the twistedly intelligent mindset of NWR!
Great show. Beautifully produced.
This interview is fantastic, great questions and answers, amazing insight into nwr
.. winding renf is investigating the steaming language.. he is involved in the whole communication chain.. from production to audience reaction.. yet what could be interesting for me would be guessing the influences in his too old to die young.. such as early jarmusch's laconism.. lynch hallucinant sequences.. wenders' landscapes.. the postmodern baroque photography from guy bourdin to david lachapelle.. electronic horror score.. and finally the coloured bava's lightening.. streaming needs finding its own laguage.. refn has started his own wide and wild way..
Wow, great interview
GREAT INTERVIEWER. Good job.
hard to belive hes almost 50
If I met him, I'll definitely hug him and say thank you.
Excellent interview!
Lovely interview, lovely man
I just love people who wear sun glasses in doors
Too old to die young is amazing, I'm sure in years it will be a cult classic
Also can I just say, It's such a DELIGHTFUL surprise that many of the collider audience is so receptive of something so strange and anti-mainstream (in execution). I tend to think of Collider's audience as smart ppl with a love of film but a pretty narrow view of what "good or great" film is (for instance I rarely see a ton of Kelly Reichardt or Lars Von Trier fans but a ton of Nolan and QT fanboys).
Seeing the love for TOTDY is great. I should have more faith in the people!
You should and you shouldnt. People for the most part have next to no idea about the cinema and what is to be saught after in it's modern era. So they feel complete comfort in thinking that Nolan, Paul Thomas Anderson, QT etc. are the pinacle and there's nothing else to be discovered. Which is, of course, not true at all. Refn is still pretty niche, and, really, im not even mad. As long as he still can manage to finance his films in this era of comic book blockbuster craze (and it seems he really knows how to do it, of which he even hinted in this interview) im absolutely fine with it.
@@RJreviews I agree. I feel like I'm one of 20 people in the world who thinks JOE SWANBERG is a cinematic genius. But his stuff is very lo key so i don't begrudge anyone who doesn't agree.
I do wish ppl would give more things a chance. I remember James Gray saying that film literacy should be taught at a young age (how to distinguish good visual language vs bad) and that young people should be (at some point in adolescence) forced to watch an art film. Not to make them enjoy it, but to let them know that this kind of filmmaking is available and valid and possible.
3-act structure isn't the standard. It's simply one of the many ways to use the medium to convey ideas.
This is awesome!!!
I had to see a therapist after watching this dark series
Great questions and great answers
omfg she is stunning
Great interview.
Really good interview!
what a great interviewer.
Haleigh doing great work as always
definitely came to this video to hear how to pronounce his last name
I think Miles is a mix od Rock Hudson & Elvis.
Love the series.
Jena Malone for BATGIRL plz.
zombiecupcakes01 hellllllll yea bro. LOVE that girl
Oh... Respect.
This show is just fucking phenomenal
When I browse through books at the bookstore I look at the first pages of books.
Heartman kkkkkkkkkk can wait to see behind the scenes from death stranding
Heartman’s voice actor is Darren Jacobs
Miles looks like a young Robert Mitchum. Anyone else see that?
So does Lip from shameless I feel like Hollywood subconsciously casts young actors who remind them of the golden age. I also see Paul Newman in Teller
Great job Hailey
GOD I LOVE HIM
I hope he makes the LAPD homicide group into a TV show, I loved those guys.
It’s Heartman!
Yo fam I am all for a NWR superhero or comic book film, that's some wild shit
What kind of psychopath drops in at episode 4 or 5 to judge weather they go back and start a series at ep 1?
While I do love the works of Refn. I am a bit pussled by his arguments about modern people going into a story in the middle to see if it's any good. Outside of him... I have never heard of anyone doing that.
Yes. In the olden days of broadcast television... That was the norm. You switched to a channel and you saw a show you thought looked interesting. But you had no say in which episode that was showing. Or when it started. If you heard that Twin Peaks was awesome, you tuned in to see the next episode to see what everyone was talking about. And you could be in the middle of season 2 where they revealed the murderer of Sarah Palmer and they tried to find a new story to hang on to, maybe aliens? And it wouldn't even be the beginning of that episode. It could be after an ad-break halfway through.
I doubt any modern youngster wants to discover new shows that way today. You hear of a show, you go to season one, episode one, act one and you start from there. Why would a modern person jump into the middle?
I think you’re missing what he’s trying to say
How often have you started a TV show on a streaming service and lost interest 5-15mins in and switched to something else? I think he was saying when he was making this he wanted the show to start right in the thick of it, no build up first act or any use of typical 3 act structure at all, the entire show is what it is from the minute you start watching it
If you didn’t like the first 10 minutes of this show, if it didn’t make you feel extremely uncomfortable or squirm, you’re not going to like the next 13hrs, if you liked the first 10 minutes you know you’re in for a ride
Genius in deed, but does some awkward interviews lol. Love NWF
It would be amazing if WB could get him for Batgirl.
14:21 Streaming!
13 hours isn't a lon.... Oh shit
ITS NOT A LAUGH RIOT
I FOUND IT FUNNY
ITS FUNYYY....
Jenna Malone for Batgirl? 🤔
Absolutely, so disappointing that she wasn't in the movie BvS.
That's so perfect that they'll never do it. They'll get like Lilly Collins or Lily James which are both good choices but not JM.
@@iansmart4158 JM is a good choice but she doesn't have the ambition to play such a role.
Apparently his future self didn't tell him, the series would flop faster than you can say no sequel.
Hello Heartman
WE HAD A GREAT FEMALE DP ON SET THE GOAL WAS TOO UNLOCK THE 17 YEAR OLD GIRL IN MEE.
OKKKKKKKKAYYYYY
Congratulations to Winding-Refn. He's the only director I know who can turn a good two-hour movie into a FIFTEEN HOUR endurance test. Hire a damned editor!
The genius speaks! Great interview, but disappointing to see Refn constantly desperately deifying women in supplication to Hollyweird’s obsession with woke. You’d expect better from such a free-spirited creative but I guess he’s as terrified of being cancelled as anyone in the public eye today.
this guy makes some great stuff, but the last 2 episodes of this series were kind of a fizzle
Teller was definitely miscast for me. He just isn't what he portrays on the screen and thus it becomes a bit unbelievable. But the quintessential Refn tone is there.
SO NWR LOVE OREOS. CHECK
Somebody forward this interview to Mr. Spielberg
Dean Martin is closer Miles than Elvis Presley to me
he his definitely Heartman... thanks for introducing this man to me Kojima-san