I've recently switched to hammocks since I'm always camping in forests. I don't see myself returning to tents as my regular set up...but it would be a trekking pole tent under most situations other than sand or extremely rocky terrain. I'm a fan of Tarptent because their designs are so unique.
Great review... We've been using trekking pole tents for over 7 years and I can't see going back. The weight savings is the biggest benefit. The Durston X-Mid will probably be our next tent.
My XMid 2P was my go-to tent until I purchased the XMid 2P Pro. There really isn't a comparison to the ZPacks Duplex and XMID Pro. The XMid sets up far easier, with fewer stakes, more setup options, and better condensation control. In addition, you don't have the dang poles in the middle of your doorways as seen in the vid. I am 6'4 and fit without touching in the XMID. The only downside it has a large footprint because of its unique geometry.
I picked up a Plex solo earlier this year. I was very dubious of the single wall design, I have an old Terra Nova tent with a single wall design that was only used for 5 nights due to horrific condensation. The Zpacks has been like a revelation. Its rapidly become my favourite tent for hiking. I still use my tarptent stratospire li for cycling as the extra room is handy. DCF and trekking poles are a match made in heaven.
I like the kind you can rotate as needed. That way when the wind gusts NE and then SW later in the storm, you always have it ready to shed that water. And it saves mental energy wasted on clairvoyance.
I would probably have been reluctant to try trekking pole tents but my 1st backpacking trip over 10 years ago was done with a blue tarp 1 used ski pole and whatever sticks I could find for more elaborate set ups. I still don't have one yet but I got a dcf tarp which has worked quite well but when I have the money I would like a 2 person dcf trekking pole tent for when it's really rainy or extra buggy and I'm with my dog We managed to squeeze in a bug bivy this summer but I think he would have preferred a 2 person tent That being said the nights that weren't buggy and we just rocked the tarp worked great for us to share I recommend learning non free standing tents in the backyard in low light without a headlamp it sucks and takes forever but once you get that down it gets super easy in good conditions once you get it down you could do it blindfolded
That reasoning for tents not coming with stakes is downright bs straight from the manufacturer. As everything else these days in UL market. You pay 700$ for a piece of cloth that isn't even waterproofed (you have to do it yourself), you don't get stakes and you don't get a single aluminium pole for it. Yeah, no thanks.
I was using my lunar solo for a couple years,thinking that 26 ounces wasn’t bad but once you add stakes and trekking poles I am way over 2lbs. I recently got a copper spur ul1 from REI, on sale with gift cards and my dividend for half of what the lunar solo cost and only weighs 2 pounds without stakes. I will still keep my lunar solo because I love it but it’s not as lightweight once you add everything up. And sometimes free standing is nice on tent platforms.
Omg I'm so conflicted, I'm about to get my next tent. I've used the original nemo hornet for years. So I get the newest nemo hornet osmo elite or the durston exmid pro 1. I've never used trecking poles but that weight saving, aaargghhh, life 😂
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For completeness, it is worth touching on condensation - which is likely well known. Trekking pole tents are single wall and so more prone for condensation to rub onto sleeping bags, etc. When the wind is not blowing hard, the steep sidewalls are an additional benefit depending upon how the tent is pitched as the condensation is better able to run down to the bottom edge of the walls and drip onto the ground, not onto the tent floor. The better ventilation of these tents can reduce the amount of condensation as well.
... For $600 ,, it shouldn't need poles or stakes ... should come with a Valet to hold it up ... .. nothing more than a tarp ...lots of good tarps for around $100 ... would do the same job ...
absolutely agree! my 450g tarp shelters 2 people + gear very comfortably, even 3 people if necessary, depending on the setup. and it cost me about $70, and came with at least a few lines and stakes. my lightest tarp setup is like 250g and since it's a ponchotarp, it's also my raingear. and even that was less than $100.
@@neemancallender9092 tbh, I never really had problems with them, but they generally don't seem to like me that much 😀 and I don't seem to have a bad allergic reaction, if they do sting me. I do have a head-net though I never needed it yet.
I have the Paria outdoors arches tent, the serria design tensegrity trekking pole tents and several freestanding tents all preformed well but required pre set up understanding to get the full benefit. Is so true
Yes! I’ve been rocking a Lunar Solo for two seasons very similar to the Zpaks one. Single Treking Pole and 6 stakes. It held up on my Uinta Highline Trail trip this year! My pack made a cameo in your Nemo shot! 😁 I see you pitched the Zpak at Teal exactly where I pitched mine earlier this year! 👍👍
Hi! Ordered trekking pole tent to check. But have one interesing question. How to setup tent in cold weather, when the ground is frozen but there is no snow and no stones either?
With trekking pole tents the benefit seems to be similar to tunnels: you can set up both layers at once so the inners won't soak up when setting up in rain. There aren't that many freestanding tents that you can set up all together. Except Hilleberg. Or which others do you know?
Limited to trekking poles, alum., carbon fiber or fiberglass poles. What is missing is a loop at the peak permitting hanging the tents from above as well by about nine different methods. Not everybody uses or cares to use trekking poles. I pick up a downed tree limb for crossing streams and tricky descents, the prime value for trekking poles. Otherwise I'm expending energy raising a weight with each step.
Is the handle of your trekking pole stuck down against the ground which could be wet and muddy? Or is it inside the bathtub? I can't see necessarily from the videos and I've watched a lot of videos on UA-cam. Thanks
@@mtadams2009 yes but many of us do not have $700 to spend on a tent Lanshan 2 pro $190 @ 900g Duplex $700 @ 525g That is $500 for a 500g weight saving
My knees and hips suggest I spend my money on the best gear I can find that weighs the least. I choose to save my money up and spend it this way as it makes my backpacking more enjoyable and less painful. Your situation appears to be different.
@@neemancallender9092 I totally agree. That’s what is so great now, there is so many great options. You can go light and not break the bank. My last pack was a Granite Gear 39 L pack that I paid 139.00 for and it’s really a great pack. I am just at a point were I need my pack super light because I am older. I would much rather be young. Take care
Excessive steaks is the only downside I feel to trekking pole tents.. everything else is a win you can always make a pole in a pinch I really think removable inner is the biggest multifunctional gain as well screw Zpacks🤣 MLD Duomid allll the wayyyy!!😊✌️💚 just got my Flextail pump, I have that same Bonfus steak bag also🙃✊️🔥
Some tents like the Plex Solo in this video use a lot of stakes, but then there’s the X-Mid that can pitch with only 4. So design has a lot to do with the pitch of a trekking pole tent.
Thank you for the review, the tents look good. I'm looking for something that fits two wide adult pads and one child pad, double wall, without flame retardants. Is polyester better than nylon?
Why would anyone want a company to choose their tent stakes? I bought my ZPacks Duplex and then bought MSR mini Groundhogs along with Zpacks Sonic titanium stakes. At this price point, I get to choose, not a company.
@@Zapruderfilm1963 zpacks sells groundhog style stakes. They actually sell 6 stakes - 4 different styles. They LEAST they could do is throw in 4-6 stakes
Entry level tents should have a set and one of aluminum hook stakes. Think everything after, I would buy a set of mini groundhogs and ideally save money and materials from the tent manufacturer who likely is not as good at making stakes as msr or a couple other companies. People complain about raincovers, too, but then you’ve a pocket designed for the raincover and an extra cost for having that one which after you’ve owned a few backpacks you already have one which works and might already be using a liner.
Mountain is made out of rock, it is very hard to put a stake in to a rock. On camping ground in Alps there are two inches of dirt and rock beneath it, stakes wont hold anything.
On the 1 hand, I love the weight savings. On the other hand, my claustrophobic ass does _not_ like being able to see a wall while lying on my back, looking straight up. Sadness.😢
Trekking pole tents: break or lose a trekking pole? Use a stick. Freestanding tent: break a pole? Uh-oh! Make sure to have a pole splint and duct tape.
Durston tents are where it’s at. IMO 🍻
"Seek Outside" great lightweight trekking pole tents. Made in America
I've recently switched to hammocks since I'm always camping in forests. I don't see myself returning to tents as my regular set up...but it would be a trekking pole tent under most situations other than sand or extremely rocky terrain. I'm a fan of Tarptent because their designs are so unique.
Great review... We've been using trekking pole tents for over 7 years and I can't see going back. The weight savings is the biggest benefit. The Durston X-Mid will probably be our next tent.
The MID 2 off of the Drap sale is my ground sleeping system. Love that tent but the Outdoors Vitals tent looks very solid too and easier to get.
My XMid 2P was my go-to tent until I purchased the XMid 2P Pro. There really isn't a comparison to the ZPacks Duplex and XMID Pro. The XMid sets up far easier, with fewer stakes, more setup options, and better condensation control. In addition, you don't have the dang poles in the middle of your doorways as seen in the vid. I am 6'4 and fit without touching in the XMID. The only downside it has a large footprint because of its unique geometry.
I picked up a Plex solo earlier this year. I was very dubious of the single wall design, I have an old Terra Nova tent with a single wall design that was only used for 5 nights due to horrific condensation.
The Zpacks has been like a revelation. Its rapidly become my favourite tent for hiking. I still use my tarptent stratospire li for cycling as the extra room is handy. DCF and trekking poles are a match made in heaven.
What if you want to go hiking while your tent is pitched? Do you have to bring 2 sets of poles?
You could put the tent down, or hike without the poles, or bring additional poles.
Love the tips on the stakes! They are the lifeblood of these tents :)
I like the kind you can rotate as needed. That way when the wind gusts NE and then SW later in the storm, you always have it ready to shed that water. And it saves mental energy wasted on clairvoyance.
I would probably have been reluctant to try trekking pole tents but my 1st backpacking trip over 10 years ago was done with a blue tarp 1 used ski pole and whatever sticks I could find for more elaborate set ups. I still don't have one yet but I got a dcf tarp which has worked quite well but when I have the money I would like a 2 person dcf trekking pole tent for when it's really rainy or extra buggy and I'm with my dog
We managed to squeeze in a bug bivy this summer but I think he would have preferred a 2 person tent
That being said the nights that weren't buggy and we just rocked the tarp worked great for us to share
I recommend learning non free standing tents in the backyard in low light without a headlamp it sucks and takes forever but once you get that down it gets super easy in good conditions once you get it down you could do it blindfolded
That reasoning for tents not coming with stakes is downright bs straight from the manufacturer. As everything else these days in UL market. You pay 700$ for a piece of cloth that isn't even waterproofed (you have to do it yourself), you don't get stakes and you don't get a single aluminium pole for it. Yeah, no thanks.
I like the octagonal tarp tent setup. Seems to be very wind-worthy.
I was using my lunar solo for a couple years,thinking that 26 ounces wasn’t bad but once you add stakes and trekking poles I am way over 2lbs. I recently got a copper spur ul1 from REI, on sale with gift cards and my dividend for half of what the lunar solo cost and only weighs 2 pounds without stakes. I will still keep my lunar solo because I love it but it’s not as lightweight once you add everything up. And sometimes free standing is nice on tent platforms.
Omg I'm so conflicted, I'm about to get my next tent. I've used the original nemo hornet for years. So I get the newest nemo hornet osmo elite or the durston exmid pro 1. I've never used trecking poles but that weight saving, aaargghhh, life 😂
I can’t believe you just got on board with this.
Супер!!
Ну почему такого небыло до войны!!
Люди!!ходите в походы при любой возможности!
Не ждите погоды,длиных выходных...!
Всё может изменится в момент!
Привет из Запорожья
Hello from Australia, Anton!👋
Hello 👋 my outdoors friend. Thank you for sharing this informative video. All the best to you. Stay safe out there. 🤗
For completeness, it is worth touching on condensation - which is likely well known. Trekking pole tents are single wall and so more prone for condensation to rub onto sleeping bags, etc. When the wind is not blowing hard, the steep sidewalls are an additional benefit depending upon how the tent is pitched as the condensation is better able to run down to the bottom edge of the walls and drip onto the ground, not onto the tent floor. The better ventilation of these tents can reduce the amount of condensation as well.
There's plenty of double wall trekking pole tents such as the lanshan and some of the durstons
... For $600 ,, it shouldn't need poles or stakes ... should come with a Valet to hold it up ...
.. nothing more than a tarp ...lots of good tarps for around $100 ... would do the same job ...
absolutely agree! my 450g tarp shelters 2 people + gear very comfortably, even 3 people if necessary, depending on the setup. and it cost me about $70, and came with at least a few lines and stakes.
my lightest tarp setup is like 250g and since it's a ponchotarp, it's also my raingear. and even that was less than $100.
In a tarp
how do you deal with mosquitoes and midges
@@neemancallender9092 tbh, I never really had problems with them, but they generally don't seem to like me that much 😀 and I don't seem to have a bad allergic reaction, if they do sting me. I do have a head-net though I never needed it yet.
Tarps with bug nets attached! I like this idea for summertime camping. Fall and winter, I'd prefer the versatility of just a tarp.
I have the Paria outdoors arches tent, the serria design tensegrity trekking pole tents and several freestanding tents all preformed well but required pre set up understanding to get the full benefit. Is so true
Yes! I’ve been rocking a Lunar Solo for two seasons very similar to the Zpaks one. Single Treking Pole and 6 stakes. It held up on my Uinta Highline Trail trip this year! My pack made a cameo in your Nemo shot! 😁 I see you pitched the Zpak at Teal exactly where I pitched mine earlier this year! 👍👍
I too have been rocking the Lunar Solo and must agree, a great little tent!
Trekking pole tents are awesome. There is a learning curve, but after that, they are fantastic. Great review
Thanks man!
Thankyou. Very informative.
What stakes work best in what soils and which ones don’t would be a great class.
Hi! Ordered trekking pole tent to check. But have one interesing question. How to setup tent in cold weather, when the ground is frozen but there is no snow and no stones either?
With trekking pole tents the benefit seems to be similar to tunnels: you can set up both layers at once so the inners won't soak up when setting up in rain.
There aren't that many freestanding tents that you can set up all together.
Except Hilleberg.
Or which others do you know?
On the affordable end, the Naturehike Mongar is great.🙂
Mil-tech recom.
But you are more stable with trekking poles. They have save me from several falls. I have the Luxe Minipeak that you can tie up instead of a pole
So if you only got to choose one would you choose a freestanding, semi freestanding, or tracking poll tent?
Limited to trekking poles, alum., carbon fiber or fiberglass poles. What is missing is a loop at the peak permitting hanging the tents from above as well by about nine different methods. Not everybody uses or cares to use trekking poles. I pick up a downed tree limb for crossing streams and tricky descents, the prime value for trekking poles. Otherwise I'm expending energy raising a weight with each step.
You can buy a dedicated pole for these instead of a trekking pole.
I have the carbon poles for my Duplex and they weigh next to nothing. I will admit I have never used them because I am a lover of trekking poles.
Is the handle of your trekking pole stuck down against the ground which could be wet and muddy? Or is it inside the bathtub? I can't see necessarily from the videos and I've watched a lot of videos on UA-cam. Thanks
Great video but where did you get the shirt you are wearing?
Trekking pole tents
Why choose a $600 tent????
Review the Lanshan Pro 1 and 2
Sub 1 kilo
Sub $200
as a member of the Lanshan owners club i would wholeheartedly agree 👍👍
Great tent I am sure but some of us are trying to carry as close to nothing in our packs. For that it has to be DCF
@@mtadams2009
yes
but many of us do not have $700 to spend on a tent
Lanshan 2 pro $190 @ 900g
Duplex $700 @ 525g
That is $500 for a 500g weight saving
My knees and hips suggest I spend my money on the best gear I can find that weighs the least. I choose to save my money up and spend it this way as it makes my backpacking more enjoyable and less painful. Your situation appears to be different.
@@neemancallender9092 I totally agree. That’s what is so great now, there is so many great options. You can go light and not break the bank. My last pack was a Granite Gear 39 L pack that I paid 139.00 for and it’s really a great pack. I am just at a point were I need my pack super light because I am older. I would much rather be young. Take care
Excessive steaks is the only downside I feel to trekking pole tents.. everything else is a win you can always make a pole in a pinch I really think removable inner is the biggest multifunctional gain as well screw Zpacks🤣 MLD Duomid allll the wayyyy!!😊✌️💚 just got my Flextail pump, I have that same Bonfus steak bag also🙃✊️🔥
Some tents like the Plex Solo in this video use a lot of stakes, but then there’s the X-Mid that can pitch with only 4. So design has a lot to do with the pitch of a trekking pole tent.
I love a good steak! Mmmmmm!
Can someone clarify what constitutes a "cottage conpany?" Please and thank you.
Thank you for the review, the tents look good. I'm looking for something that fits two wide adult pads and one child pad, double wall, without flame retardants. Is polyester better than nylon?
I doubt you'll ever find that with a trekking pole tent. But I could be wrong.
600 dollars.... and no stakes! Sounds like a bargain!
Look at Durston. Cheaper and more innovative trekking pole tent.
You also get to wash your bug net door when it falls into the puddle when you unzip it to get in
Why would anyone want a company to choose their tent stakes?
I bought my ZPacks Duplex and then bought MSR mini Groundhogs along with Zpacks Sonic titanium stakes.
At this price point, I get to choose, not a company.
@@Zapruderfilm1963 zpacks sells groundhog style stakes. They actually sell 6 stakes - 4 different styles. They LEAST they could do is throw in 4-6 stakes
Entry level tents should have a set and one of aluminum hook stakes. Think everything after, I would buy a set of mini groundhogs and ideally save money and materials from the tent manufacturer who likely is not as good at making stakes as msr or a couple other companies. People complain about raincovers, too, but then you’ve a pocket designed for the raincover and an extra cost for having that one which after you’ve owned a few backpacks you already have one which works and might already be using a liner.
Mountain is made out of rock, it is very hard to put a stake in to a rock. On camping ground in Alps there are two inches of dirt and rock beneath it, stakes wont hold anything.
Any condensation issues being single skinned?
Its a copy cat world in backpacking and Trekking poles tents are the “IT” shelter these times
What tent is the blue one?
It's the Outdoor Vitals Fortius.
Stakes and poles grow like everywhere :P atleast here in Slovakia...
The treking poles should be also made to act as walking sticks...
On the 1 hand, I love the weight savings. On the other hand, my claustrophobic ass does _not_ like being able to see a wall while lying on my back, looking straight up.
Sadness.😢
I tried to tell you!!! ;-)
Trekking pole tents: break or lose a trekking pole? Use a stick.
Freestanding tent: break a pole? Uh-oh! Make sure to have a pole splint and duct tape.
what you get dont match the pricing at all. less material = higher price