Huge THANK YOU to everyone who has taken the time to watch this video and leave a comment the information and knowledge shared from the community is invaluable and really helps... The experiment continues 👍👍👍👍
This is the problem with brushed racing which is why brushless took over and is overall much cheaper to run and has none of the hassle of brushed motors. The cheapest class to race at the moment is probably the FWD class as it uses a controlled ESC and Motor with rev limit, batteries don't make much difference as traction is limited by the use of a fairly hard treaded control tyre. The 12th scale classes have a big issue which is it uses 1s lipo or 4 cell battery which isn't used in any other race class and needs a special 1s ESC if running brushless. The 4wd 17.5 touring class has also gone to control electronics for the 2024 BRCA series. I don't think foam tyre racing has any viable future they are also not really something a beginner can easily use when staring out
All great points Luke... And I didn't realise that the GT12 was so specific 😮 Can't comment on anything 1/10 as I've never had a go... But some of the restrictions on the kind of brushless motors that you mention might be a good idea.... Have a good one and thanks for watching and commenting 👍
WOW, great race and awesome finish! My absolute favorite race is where you're swapping back and forth from corner to corner as clean as you can, that always puts a huge smile on my face at the end of the race. I remember racing 1/12 scale 30 years ago, and at the time I only raced the stock class as the mod class was a battery battle and I didn't want to put the cash in to get the best cadmium batteries. Also, brush motors back then always had to be cleaned regularly ... I still have my com lathe in storage for the mod motors (for my 1/10 off road CATs and Cougars). I did dip my motors in water to clean them while plugged into a battery, then disassemble them and put drops of singer oil in the bearings between races and lathing the comm. Also had to kill the batteries between each run and recharge them so had multiple batteries at the time. I'm going to watch a few more of your vids now to find one to share with my local mate who always wanted to do a 1/12 mini race as he drove a mini here in Vancouver BC Canada to and from work and play. 30 years on, I'm now back on the scene as of last year with my 13 year old son, and we're LOVING racing 1/10 buggy on indoor office carpet. We help setup the track the night before, and help tear it down the moment the last main is run. The modern technology is so much better than back then with the brush motors and cadmium batteries ... now we run brushless with LiPos and he can go out there for almost 20 minutes with no apparent power loss! I remember back in the day for 1/10 it was a struggle to finish a 4 minute race (8 min for 1/12), as we gently put the car down on the track after plugging the battery in, not touching the throttle till the buzzer went in fear of not finishing the race. The brushless motors are so much easier to maintain now too, as there's no worry about replacing brushes or using a lathe to smooth the comm, and they last forever! Maintaining the cars is now every few months at our level of skill rather than every other heat. Love your commentary before and after too, very informative about how your group is prepping cars and advancing into the current technology. Looking forward to watching more of your vids. Thanks for sharing!
Wow.... Thanks so much for taking the time to comment buddy... Yes said on many times on videos "winning is nice but what every racer wants is a close clean battle"... The Brushless experiment continues as last night 6 racers where trying different combinations of systems... Thanks for subbing Ave a fabulous week 👍👍👍👍
Cracking video again mucka ,like you I think brushless is possibly the future, I have a few to try this coming weekend, one in the twr mini and one in the twr HH I will let you know my verdict
Chat properly later buddy but compare my times from last night with your last championship winning run from Neo-RC it would have made things alot closer, 😁😁😁😁👍👍 have a top day Boss.... #Snafu
Absolutely.... However I feel the freedom to put in what ever you like might be the way forward as you could share brushless motors and esc across other platforms say 17.5 stock from buggies and touring cars... Just pop it in a mini and Hot Hatch no need then to buy a dedicated one... (I mean we all will as that's racing but you could share).... Top comments thanks for joining the debate 👍👍👍😉
I didn’t have the cleanest race that night but I was running a broken in K21 and I felt like a sloth on the straights which is frustrating. Like it’s been said it’s a false economy I’ve got a good £60 worth of brushed motors in my box. Hence I’m joining the experiment with a cheap £30 set up, so less £ thank the traditional set up. Last week was a learning curve, I even ran 1 race at 100% as I ran out of time to make changes after swapping chassis but I finished the race with no holes in any walls. Hoping to dial in the feel and response of the car this week and my aim is just to hit close to my PB lap time. Only time will tell.
I thinks that's the perfect way to approach this mate... Not looking to set the world on fire out of the gate but to match your pb lap times consistently then slowly turn up the wick until you fine that happy balance between speed, set up and ability 👍👍👍 See you tonight all being well mate
Wow excellent video. Clearly the lipo/brushless car doesn’t necessarily deliver faster laps. It does make racing more enjoyable, less wizardry, and also better for the planet as a lipo and brushless motor will last many years. NIMH’s and brushed motors are replaced all the time to remain competitive.
Yeah they are my views.... But I get the reluctance to change so many established racers have invested time and money into how to get the best from brushed motors / battery over many seasons of racing.... However for the mid pack of drivers (silent majority) who don't have the time to consently be cleaning motors and fiddling with batteries this could be a good fit.... Two classes will end up the only solution here I feel and slowly the Brushed may die out eventually... Or I could be completely wrong and its the other way round.... This set of videos all started as a good experiment and some good content 😉 Didn't quite expect quite the amount of descussions if I'm completely honest however as I've said on videos now I've run a 2s brushless and 2s brushed I'll find it difficult to switch back as it's so much more convenient... Glad you have enjoyed the videos cheers for the comments pal
@@BrensRCracing I think it could well die out. All though at my local oval club they allow for mixed nimh/brushed and lipo/brushless saloons and minis. I’m going to be doing some more testing with a 1s 17.5t setup against the 4cell nimh 21t brushed hot rods. I think they will be very equal. I know a lot of people are not happy with the vintage electronics and keen to have a change, at least a separate class. Problem I find in the RC world is there is a reluctance to change and people don’t make carefully thought out decisions, just react on emotion and personal opinion rather than what the majority of racers want.
Great racing! I love the "stock" racing so everybody is on an equal playing field but I also think there should be a full custom,where you can race what ever you can squeeze in the mini shell dimensions while keeping it real looking or scale (no just putting a mini shell on a lunchbox) although that would be terrible😜 home made custom chassis and whatever else ...just for funzies👍
Been hope things are good, great video as always, this has popped up on my local clubs Facebook page, like to see what everyone opinions are on there, top racers are also going through motors like nothing, would like to try this in a fun night at the club, didn’t see a link to the combo, could you point us in the right direction
Yeah next video Kev I'll stick way more details in... Honestly buddy raced last night drinking a brew and watching my pit buddy stress about peaking batteries and Spraying Wd40 in his motor and grumbling that he'd forgotten Qtips to clean the com... My biggest concern was not burning my lips on the brew😂😭😂 good times
GT12 electrics are a pain due to the lack of 1s esc choice. 2s shorty lipo with 21.5 or 25.5 might be an option? Glad to see you trying out new things!
WOW that brings back memories not only the cars but the way you drive. I used to do the same thing get so focused on the competition that if I got past someone after a battle I would almost immediately crash. LOL.. 40 odd years ago we were running 4 cell of Sanyo (Panasonic cells only allowed in the open class) Nicad power a mechanical speed controller and foams on a wooden floor. Stock motors and brushes only allowed. I'm surprised that a modern version wouldn't be as you have tried out even may be go to a single lipo cell as they would still be cheap to run and always need a compromise for the odd extended time race. I learnt how to race with them even though I was running 1/8 nitro at the time. But changes to modern electronics would defeat one of the biggest joys/pains with the hobby and that's the prep. I spent way to many hours working on model cars back in the day and never really truly mastered everything required for hassle free racing.
LiPo batteries work different to NiMH when it comes to power delivery/discharge. It's more like a shelf when you look at it on a graph, the batteries give maximum performance right until their cutoff point, whereas NiMH packs gradually lose performance as they discharge. It's the one reason I prefer brushless motor and LiPo systems for planes, helicopters and drones. Recently I've converted my 1/10 scale buggies to brushless.
Its the future mate just going to take time for people to agree on this as lots of racers are heavily invested into the tech to make brushed motors and nimh batteries go fast..
13.5 with a 2s 4400 lipo.... Way to much really I didn't know what to buy for the experiment..... With hindsight I think 2S is definitely the way forward but nothing faster than a 17.5 and that too might be just a bit too much....
I think a certain amount of your frustration is warranted but I like a brushed set up. I like it because there is still a lot of "tweeking" that costs nothing and does get results. Ps when you start down the road of brushless you can still run NiMh pack and speedo without going lipo. You will always get a boost even using a brushed motor if you run a lipo because of the higher c rating. But you will also find there is "tweeking" with brushless motors that does yeld results over stock.
Alfie-lee loved that race but did say to me that your car was faster than his down the straight that's why he had to keep tight in the corners and sometimes too tight lol. We race with old tyres, 2 batteries (1 old 1 new) 2 motors (always have a spare) and a £20 handset proper budget racing just to get him out enjoying himself and all i will say is in a final his car will double in width to keep in front of anyone on the same lap as him as that's free not £££s. For us to buy another new battery is £20 and another motor is £12 and 2 sets of wheels and tyres is £13 so we may just bite the bullet and go brushless lipo set up for around the same price if that's the way it's going to go.
All valid points mate I guess the experiment will continue but after last night I'm going to need some real convincing this isn't the way forward as Rob even ran a mini and a Hot Hatch with one 2S lipo all night just topping it up between races...
the club could designate a sub £70 brushless setup,still use the stock 4 cells if needed + control the tyres to 50/35 altho thats not really an issue i dont think and i think jobs a good un,not everyone has the time,money or equipment to buy and test dozens of motors in which is supposed to be a cheaper end of the scale racing format,brushless i think would bring it right back where its supposed to be..either that or people have to use hand out motors which opens up another can of worms.. ive been racing since 1990 in various offroad and formats and 1/10th offroad was horrible back before brushless in the sense it was all about batteries and motors,if you didnt have any contacts or were lucky enough to be a sponsored driver like myself then the chances of you getting a quick car(v the factory guys) were limited,now of course there is more power than you can use which is a good thing as it levels the playing field a little.
Some fabulous points made here... Great to see that I wasn't alone in thinking there has to be a better way.... Some of my friends have built up brushless mini's and Hot hatches to use with £30 bang good specials and they are flying👍👍 Thanks for the detailed reply have a top day Dave
the mardave class need to get with the times,guys buying 10+ motors at a time to pick the best one and going thru a dozen motors a year,its a false economy when you can have a stock brushless last years,
@@BrensRCracing hoping to get down to ignition on saturday for a practice with the new batt car,but definately looking for a 20-21t brushless equivalent
@@davegee124 a couple of the lads have found a cheap system on bangood for £30 it's not sensored so initiall take off there is reports of a little cogging but after that works a treat for the money... Ask about mate👍👍
I don’t run the minis but all that old school brushed and nimh cells is something I was really happy I had left behind when coming back to buggies. It makes so much sense to introduce mod 👍
I race at RVRCCC in Leyland on Friday nights. I say race, i turn up and have a go. I cant get more than 10 laps whereas the A racers are getting 15+ laps everytime and are miles faster than my car. I dont understand why. Iv been racing now for nearly 12 months and i have made improvements but nothing like the A racers...
Mega stick with it mate.... As a start see if your local track guru will talk you through his set up and how he goes about preparing his motors and batteries.... With these cars the "devil really is in the detail" But i feel and hear your frustration hence this little experiment as I'm right there with you... I've no problem being beaten by better driving I'm used to it it's the disparity between motors which this is trying to address.... Many thanks for watching and commenting it really helps
Thanks for watching and commenting Tony... If you mean buying lots of motors to find a good one then I agree but that also can be said of any competitive hobby I guess... More to come thanks for watching its Appreciated 👍
@@BrensRCracingexactly, spending loads on finding a good motor that doesn’t last long. Same with batteries. I say let people choose between lipo/brushless and nimh/brushed. We do this in oval racing so why not in circuit.
I think it’s a great idea and I will share this video… and probably do my own in sympathy. But…. Why 13.5 turned down to 47%. Why not try a 21.5 fixed timing and a small 60A esc. Then there will be less possibility of the Popalong “benders” scenario
Cheers buddy..... Thanks for that.... It's a lack of experience and knowledge which lead me to buy this combo as I'm like always well outside my comfort zone of knowledge and expertise so learning by doing 🤣🤣 The 21t brushless has been mentioned a couple of times buddy... Next video we'll have a chat re combinations. Hope your well buddy 👍👍
Almost everyone is in agreement that it's a better way.... And it's just been announced that one of the bigger UK events will be running a 2s lipo 25.5t brushless motors.... 👍👍
The fast guys are always gonna be fast at any racing it doesn’t matter if it’s brushed racing or brushless it’s more about how much actual time you want to put in but for the ease I would say brushless is the way to go all the brushed motors add up and plus you don’t burn your fingers as much with brushless
Couldn't agree more buddy the cream will always rise to the top... I'm just trying to make it about the driving ability and car set up rather than... The jedi arts of battery prep and motor washing 😁👍👍👍
Looking after a motor is quite easy. Brushed stuff is still the cheaper option. Any club I've ever been too the fast guys are always willing to share the knowledge. My mini is 38 years old and is still fast!
This is a rabbit hole this class should not go down gt12 made the same mistakes and that’s what killed it off The beauty of the class it’s simple for everyone to do beginners and pros We do simpler tricks with brushless motors and lipos in other classes I know people who will buy 5+ brushless motors to strip apart and make one fast motor people buy brand new lipos for every meeting This is just a fact of stock racing and it will never change no matter what motor and battery’s you run because it’s stock racing any little power advantage you can get over the competition makes a massive difference
Absolutely it's a "RED" or "BLUE" pill situation I do find myself tumbling down... But I think it's something that should be explored...... I agree with you with the comparison to GT12 as I would immediately stop racing there is no way I could ever justify the tyres expense alone. 👍👍 Cheers for watching and commenting I'm loving the input from different points of view all which are valid in there own way 👍👍👍have a top day buddy
I know these arnt mardave but west kent car club now have a brushed & brushless classes for Tamiya minis . I raced a Tamiya truck last week & 2 Core21 motors burnt out next years rules allow a Brushless setup . even Scalextric type cars are going Brushless . personally see no future in Brushed motors
Love the Scalextric comment mate proper made me chuckle..... Its the scale and simplicity of the platform that I personally love and struggle to comment on anything else as I've never used or raced anything else...
There's a few things you can do. 1. Have a rotation of batteries, that you swap out throughout the race, this will prolong their lifespan, rather than peaking and racing the same pack. 2. Motor cleaning, brushes and commutators get dirty and wear out over time, use a commutator lathe to get some fresh copper and clean the oxidation from the contact points, don't forget to clean and lubricate bearings. If it's a modified motor, this is much easier and replacing brushes is a cinch too. 3. Use the correct wire gauge for your power system, not only will it make things more reliable, you'll be getting maximum performance from the kit.
Huge THANK YOU to everyone who has taken the time to watch this video and leave a comment the information and knowledge shared from the community is invaluable and really helps...
The experiment continues 👍👍👍👍
even just a battery upgrade to lipo makes a noticeable difference 😊
Absolutely last night one of out lads ran a brushed 27T with a 2s and was definitely competitive 👍👍👍👍
This is the problem with brushed racing which is why brushless took over and is overall much cheaper to run and has none of the hassle of brushed motors. The cheapest class to race at the moment is probably the FWD class as it uses a controlled ESC and Motor with rev limit, batteries don't make much difference as traction is limited by the use of a fairly hard treaded control tyre. The 12th scale classes have a big issue which is it uses 1s lipo or 4 cell battery which isn't used in any other race class and needs a special 1s ESC if running brushless. The 4wd 17.5 touring class has also gone to control electronics for the 2024 BRCA series. I don't think foam tyre racing has any viable future they are also not really something a beginner can easily use when staring out
In English please
All great points Luke...
And I didn't realise that the GT12 was so specific 😮
Can't comment on anything 1/10 as I've never had a go...
But some of the restrictions on the kind of brushless motors that you mention might be a good idea.... Have a good one and thanks for watching and commenting 👍
WOW, great race and awesome finish! My absolute favorite race is where you're swapping back and forth from corner to corner as clean as you can, that always puts a huge smile on my face at the end of the race.
I remember racing 1/12 scale 30 years ago, and at the time I only raced the stock class as the mod class was a battery battle and I didn't want to put the cash in to get the best cadmium batteries. Also, brush motors back then always had to be cleaned regularly ... I still have my com lathe in storage for the mod motors (for my 1/10 off road CATs and Cougars). I did dip my motors in water to clean them while plugged into a battery, then disassemble them and put drops of singer oil in the bearings between races and lathing the comm. Also had to kill the batteries between each run and recharge them so had multiple batteries at the time. I'm going to watch a few more of your vids now to find one to share with my local mate who always wanted to do a 1/12 mini race as he drove a mini here in Vancouver BC Canada to and from work and play.
30 years on, I'm now back on the scene as of last year with my 13 year old son, and we're LOVING racing 1/10 buggy on indoor office carpet. We help setup the track the night before, and help tear it down the moment the last main is run. The modern technology is so much better than back then with the brush motors and cadmium batteries ... now we run brushless with LiPos and he can go out there for almost 20 minutes with no apparent power loss! I remember back in the day for 1/10 it was a struggle to finish a 4 minute race (8 min for 1/12), as we gently put the car down on the track after plugging the battery in, not touching the throttle till the buzzer went in fear of not finishing the race. The brushless motors are so much easier to maintain now too, as there's no worry about replacing brushes or using a lathe to smooth the comm, and they last forever! Maintaining the cars is now every few months at our level of skill rather than every other heat.
Love your commentary before and after too, very informative about how your group is prepping cars and advancing into the current technology. Looking forward to watching more of your vids.
Thanks for sharing!
Wow.... Thanks so much for taking the time to comment buddy... Yes said on many times on videos "winning is nice but what every racer wants is a close clean battle"...
The Brushless experiment continues as last night 6 racers where trying different combinations of systems... Thanks for subbing Ave a fabulous week 👍👍👍👍
Cracking video again mucka ,like you I think brushless is possibly the future, I have a few to try this coming weekend, one in the twr mini and one in the twr HH I will let you know my verdict
Chat properly later buddy but compare my times from last night with your last championship winning run from Neo-RC it would have made things alot closer, 😁😁😁😁👍👍 have a top day Boss.... #Snafu
@pennineraceway1172 yes mucka catch you later
2s lipo and brushless is the future imo , could easily make a certain motor/esc the only legal combo to keep costs down
Absolutely.... However I feel the freedom to put in what ever you like might be the way forward as you could share brushless motors and esc across other platforms say 17.5 stock from buggies and touring cars... Just pop it in a mini and Hot Hatch no need then to buy a dedicated one... (I mean we all will as that's racing but you could share).... Top comments thanks for joining the debate 👍👍👍😉
I didn’t have the cleanest race that night but I was running a broken in K21 and I felt like a sloth on the straights which is frustrating. Like it’s been said it’s a false economy I’ve got a good £60 worth of brushed motors in my box. Hence I’m joining the experiment with a cheap £30 set up, so less £ thank the traditional set up. Last week was a learning curve, I even ran 1 race at 100% as I ran out of time to make changes after swapping chassis but I finished the race with no holes in any walls. Hoping to dial in the feel and response of the car this week and my aim is just to hit close to my PB lap time. Only time will tell.
I thinks that's the perfect way to approach this mate... Not looking to set the world on fire out of the gate but to match your pb lap times consistently then slowly turn up the wick until you fine that happy balance between speed, set up and ability 👍👍👍
See you tonight all being well mate
Wow excellent video. Clearly the lipo/brushless car doesn’t necessarily deliver faster laps. It does make racing more enjoyable, less wizardry, and also better for the planet as a lipo and brushless motor will last many years. NIMH’s and brushed motors are replaced all the time to remain competitive.
Yeah they are my views.... But I get the reluctance to change so many established racers have invested time and money into how to get the best from brushed motors / battery over many seasons of racing....
However for the mid pack of drivers (silent majority) who don't have the time to consently be cleaning motors and fiddling with batteries this could be a good fit....
Two classes will end up the only solution here I feel and slowly the Brushed may die out eventually... Or I could be completely wrong and its the other way round.... This set of videos all started as a good experiment and some good content 😉
Didn't quite expect quite the amount of descussions if I'm completely honest however as I've said on videos now I've run a 2s brushless and 2s brushed I'll find it difficult to switch back as it's so much more convenient...
Glad you have enjoyed the videos cheers for the comments pal
@@BrensRCracing I think it could well die out. All though at my local oval club they allow for mixed nimh/brushed and lipo/brushless saloons and minis.
I’m going to be doing some more testing with a 1s 17.5t setup against the 4cell nimh 21t brushed hot rods. I think they will be very equal.
I know a lot of people are not happy with the vintage electronics and keen to have a change, at least a separate class. Problem I find in the RC world is there is a reluctance to change and people don’t make carefully thought out decisions, just react on emotion and personal opinion rather than what the majority of racers want.
Great racing! I love the "stock" racing so everybody is on an equal playing field but I also think there should be a full custom,where you can race what ever you can squeeze in the mini shell dimensions while keeping it real looking or scale (no just putting a mini shell on a lunchbox) although that would be terrible😜 home made custom chassis and whatever else ...just for funzies👍
Lol a F1 mini would be a sight 😁
Been hope things are good, great video as always, this has popped up on my local clubs Facebook page, like to see what everyone opinions are on there, top racers are also going through motors like nothing, would like to try this in a fun night at the club, didn’t see a link to the combo, could you point us in the right direction
Yeah next video Kev I'll stick way more details in... Honestly buddy raced last night drinking a brew and watching my pit buddy stress about peaking batteries and Spraying Wd40 in his motor and grumbling that he'd forgotten Qtips to clean the com...
My biggest concern was not burning my lips on the brew😂😭😂 good times
GT12 electrics are a pain due to the lack of 1s esc choice. 2s shorty lipo with 21.5 or 25.5 might be an option? Glad to see you trying out new things!
You might be right with the 21T that was mentioned racing last night by another racer with way more experience in the hobby.... 👍👍👍
WOW that brings back memories not only the cars but the way you drive. I used to do the same thing get so focused on the competition that if I got past someone after a battle I would almost immediately crash. LOL.. 40 odd years ago we were running 4 cell of Sanyo (Panasonic cells only allowed in the open class) Nicad power a mechanical speed controller and foams on a wooden floor. Stock motors and brushes only allowed. I'm surprised that a modern version wouldn't be as you have tried out even may be go to a single lipo cell as they would still be cheap to run and always need a compromise for the odd extended time race. I learnt how to race with them even though I was running 1/8 nitro at the time. But changes to modern electronics would defeat one of the biggest joys/pains with the hobby and that's the prep. I spent way to many hours working on model cars back in the day and never really truly mastered everything required for hassle free racing.
Some Great comments mate thanks for tuning in and watching.... Glad it brought back some memories 👍👍👍
LiPo batteries work different to NiMH when it comes to power delivery/discharge.
It's more like a shelf when you look at it on a graph, the batteries give maximum performance right until their cutoff point, whereas NiMH packs gradually lose performance as they discharge.
It's the one reason I prefer brushless motor and LiPo systems for planes, helicopters and drones.
Recently I've converted my 1/10 scale buggies to brushless.
Its the future mate just going to take time for people to agree on this as lots of racers are heavily invested into the tech to make brushed motors and nimh batteries go fast..
What motor combo was it? And which battery.
It's a no brainer
13.5 with a 2s 4400 lipo.... Way to much really I didn't know what to buy for the experiment..... With hindsight I think 2S is definitely the way forward but nothing faster than a 17.5 and that too might be just a bit too much....
First like haha! I'm loving these cars and you're coverage..cheers Bren!
Thanks pal..... Glad your enjoying the channel.... These cars are ace mate.... Have a top day sir!
I think a certain amount of your frustration is warranted but I like a brushed set up. I like it because there is still a lot of "tweeking" that costs nothing and does get results. Ps when you start down the road of brushless you can still run NiMh pack and speedo without going lipo. You will always get a boost even using a brushed motor if you run a lipo because of the higher c rating. But you will also find there is "tweeking" with brushless motors that does yeld results over stock.
Yeah all valid points mate... Cheers for commenting
Definitely the way forward
Any chance of a link int what you purchased
Will sort a bit later mate thanks for watching
Alfie-lee loved that race but did say to me that your car was faster than his down the straight that's why he had to keep tight in the corners and sometimes too tight lol.
We race with old tyres, 2 batteries (1 old 1 new) 2 motors (always have a spare) and a £20 handset proper budget racing just to get him out enjoying himself and all i will say is in a final his car will double in width to keep in front of anyone on the same lap as him as that's free not £££s.
For us to buy another new battery is £20 and another motor is £12 and 2 sets of wheels and tyres is £13 so we may just bite the bullet and go brushless lipo set up for around the same price if that's the way it's going to go.
All valid points mate I guess the experiment will continue but after last night I'm going to need some real convincing this isn't the way forward as Rob even ran a mini and a Hot Hatch with one 2S lipo all night just topping it up between races...
the club could designate a sub £70 brushless setup,still use the stock 4 cells if needed + control the tyres to 50/35 altho thats not really an issue i dont think and i think jobs a good un,not everyone has the time,money or equipment to buy and test dozens of motors in which is supposed to be a cheaper end of the scale racing format,brushless i think would bring it right back where its supposed to be..either that or people have to use hand out motors which opens up another can of worms..
ive been racing since 1990 in various offroad and formats and 1/10th offroad was horrible back before brushless in the sense it was all about batteries and motors,if you didnt have any contacts or were lucky enough to be a sponsored driver like myself then the chances of you getting a quick car(v the factory guys) were limited,now of course there is more power than you can use which is a good thing as it levels the playing field a little.
Some fabulous points made here... Great to see that I wasn't alone in thinking there has to be a better way....
Some of my friends have built up brushless mini's and Hot hatches to use with £30 bang good specials and they are flying👍👍
Thanks for the detailed reply have a top day Dave
the mardave class need to get with the times,guys buying 10+ motors at a time to pick the best one and going thru a dozen motors a year,its a false economy when you can have a stock brushless last years,
Exactly Dave... One of my key points at the end.....
Hope you're well mate have a fantastic week👍
@@BrensRCracing hoping to get down to ignition on saturday for a practice with the new batt car,but definately looking for a 20-21t brushless equivalent
@@davegee124 a couple of the lads have found a cheap system on bangood for £30 it's not sensored so initiall take off there is reports of a little cogging but after that works a treat for the money... Ask about mate👍👍
I don’t run the minis but all that old school brushed and nimh cells is something I was really happy I had left behind when coming back to buggies. It makes so much sense to introduce mod 👍
I race at RVRCCC in Leyland on Friday nights. I say race, i turn up and have a go. I cant get more than 10 laps whereas the A racers are getting 15+ laps everytime and are miles faster than my car. I dont understand why. Iv been racing now for nearly 12 months and i have made improvements but nothing like the A racers...
Mega stick with it mate.... As a start see if your local track guru will talk you through his set up and how he goes about preparing his motors and batteries.... With these cars the "devil really is in the detail"
But i feel and hear your frustration hence this little experiment as I'm right there with you...
I've no problem being beaten by better driving I'm used to it it's the disparity between motors which this is trying to address....
Many thanks for watching and commenting it really helps
Started as simple cheep class ,now it’s down to money .
Thanks for watching and commenting Tony... If you mean buying lots of motors to find a good one then I agree but that also can be said of any competitive hobby I guess...
More to come thanks for watching its Appreciated 👍
@@BrensRCracingexactly, spending loads on finding a good motor that doesn’t last long. Same with batteries. I say let people choose between lipo/brushless and nimh/brushed. We do this in oval racing so why not in circuit.
I think it’s a great idea and I will share this video… and probably do my own in sympathy. But…. Why 13.5 turned down to 47%. Why not try a
21.5 fixed timing and a small 60A esc. Then there will be less possibility of the Popalong “benders” scenario
Cheers buddy..... Thanks for that....
It's a lack of experience and knowledge which lead me to buy this combo as I'm like always well outside my comfort zone of knowledge and expertise so learning by doing 🤣🤣
The 21t brushless has been mentioned a couple of times buddy... Next video we'll have a chat re combinations.
Hope your well buddy 👍👍
It’s on…
We are trying to get a heat of 17.5 10bl60’s going for the new year. Go the Bedford boys!!
@@atomart_rc cool I'm expecting a video 😂👍👍
It would be more of a level playing field if we could all run brushless/Lipo.
Almost everyone is in agreement that it's a better way.... And it's just been announced that one of the bigger UK events will be running a 2s lipo 25.5t brushless motors.... 👍👍
@@BrensRCracing yes, I saw that on FB 👍👍
The fast guys are always gonna be fast at any racing it doesn’t matter if it’s brushed racing or brushless it’s more about how much actual time you want to put in but for the ease I would say brushless is the way to go all the brushed motors add up and plus you don’t burn your fingers as much with brushless
Couldn't agree more buddy the cream will always rise to the top... I'm just trying to make it about the driving ability and car set up rather than... The jedi arts of battery prep and motor washing 😁👍👍👍
Looking after a motor is quite easy. Brushed stuff is still the cheaper option. Any club I've ever been too the fast guys are always willing to share the knowledge. My mini is 38 years old and is still fast!
This is a rabbit hole this class should not go down gt12 made the same mistakes and that’s what killed it off
The beauty of the class it’s simple for everyone to do beginners and pros
We do simpler tricks with brushless motors and lipos in other classes I know people who will buy 5+ brushless motors to strip apart and make one fast motor people buy brand new lipos for every meeting
This is just a fact of stock racing and it will never change no matter what motor and battery’s you run because it’s stock racing any little power advantage you can get over the competition makes a massive difference
Absolutely it's a "RED" or "BLUE" pill situation I do find myself tumbling down... But I think it's something that should be explored......
I agree with you with the comparison to GT12 as I would immediately stop racing there is no way I could ever justify the tyres expense alone. 👍👍
Cheers for watching and commenting I'm loving the input from different points of view all which are valid in there own way 👍👍👍have a top day buddy
2c is the way 2 go.
@@russellbisset3621 absolutely mate👍👍👍
I know these arnt mardave but west kent car club now have a brushed & brushless classes for Tamiya minis . I raced a Tamiya truck last week & 2 Core21 motors burnt out next years rules allow a Brushless setup . even Scalextric type cars are going Brushless . personally see no future in Brushed motors
Love the Scalextric comment mate proper made me chuckle..... Its the scale and simplicity of the platform that I personally love and struggle to comment on anything else as I've never used or raced anything else...
There's a few things you can do.
1. Have a rotation of batteries, that you swap out throughout the race, this will prolong their lifespan, rather than peaking and racing the same pack.
2. Motor cleaning, brushes and commutators get dirty and wear out over time, use a commutator lathe to get some fresh copper and clean the oxidation from the contact points, don't forget to clean and lubricate bearings.
If it's a modified motor, this is much easier and replacing brushes is a cinch too.
3. Use the correct wire gauge for your power system, not only will it make things more reliable, you'll be getting maximum performance from the kit.
Yep all valid points
Stop putting brushless in a brushed cars.
OK will do 👍
Thats gonna be far too fast!!!
I guess it could be.... But that's why mine was turned down to less than 50% of available power 👍👍
@@BrensRCracing
17.5 & 1s is marginally faster than brushed