A friend of my fathers ran a used shop for a while, one day an old lady came in looking kind of sad with a guitar case. She comes to the counter and says "this was my husbands guitar and he recently passed, nobody in the family wants the guitar so I'm going to sell it." The guy goes "okay I'd be happy to take a look and make an offer, what we're you thinking?" she responds that she had looked up fender stratocaster on "the googles" and she was hoping to get about 400 for it. This guy Proceeds to open up the most beautiful white, 1950's stratocaster. He goes, "yeah I'll give you about 1000$ for it." She looks really happy and about halfway thru him getting out the check he says "no I just couldn't do that, I'll give you about 12,000 for it." I don't really have an opinion on whether or not he should or shouldn't have, but i believe what he did was a good thing, and especially when you're dealing with that kind of stuff, you haven't done anything wrong because if he has used it then he should know, but that old lady probably wore earplugs to that guys gigs and read oprah's magazines, you just can't get that kind of bad karma on your name.
To a point. If it's a grandma selling a 10.000$ guitar she knows nothing about for 100$, you have to. If it's just a miscalculation from the seller, done in good faith and after their research and evaluation, fair enough, good deal.
I have done this several times, and so have my friends. Here's what happens: They go get an appraisal, and YOU wont even get a chance to buy the instrument at ANY price. Grandma gets greedy, and the appraiser makes you look like a thief for even looking at it at the too-low asking price. No good deed goes unpunished. Pay the asking price, hank grandma and STFU.
So this guitar is far from original. Don’t feel guilty, a true collector will steer clear of it Its a nice players grade, you paid the ask fair and square 👍🏻👍🏻🎸🎸
Out of curiosity I looked up the original listing from which you purchased it. You Sir made a very good purchase. Thank Goodness you trusted your intuition.
In the case of an online auction imo the seller has the responsibility of knowing what they're selling and what it's value is. If they're too busy or too lazy to do a little research, that's not on you. If you where the owner of a pawn shop it might be a little different but in your case they're happy - they got their full ask and your happy cause you got a good deal on a rare guitar. Sounds like a win - win to me.
I had a feeling like that once back in the 90's. I was at work and something told me to go to the local used instrument store. When I got there there was a 70's Guild 12 string up on the wall waiting for me. I bought it and have been playing it ever since.
A few years ago i bought a 50s Gibson Custom Shop from an ad online. They were asking $500. When i got to the shop i checked it and it seemed to be the real deal. I did tell them that even though i could only pay what they were asking for that they could fetch waaay more than that. They insisted on that price and also informed me that they had several previous offers for more money. They even dropped the price to $450 and gave me the big piece of the bigsby it originally had... sure i still have to get parts and restore it but sometimes you can be transparent and honest and yet they wont take it... i got reaaally lucky on that one.
1969 Gibson J-50, advertised on E Bay. It had what the seller said was the number "5" below the serial no. Nobody bid on it because they didn't know what it was and it was passed up. By then i was compelled to investigate because I had a very strong feeling that there was something special about it. It wasn't the number "5" but the letter "S" stamped below the serial no. It turns out that it was a factory "second", sold in the first 3 months of production, in the first year of production of the square shouldered J-50. Gibson would never have sold a guitar with structural defects as a second. It had to be something superficial. It came up for auction again and i bid on it. One bid, the only bidder. It was sold as a second because the "j-50" ink stamp had not been applied to the inner body through the sound hole. it turns out that it was one of the prototypes made before production began, and was thus stamped with a serial no and put to sale in the first 3 months. I paid $799 US. It's worth several thousand. I gave it to my brother as a birthday present.
Here is an interesting add on to this story... I just found that this guitar was for sale by a Rudy's Music at some point in time - likely not long ago. That store said it was a consignment that the owner took back. His memory of the guitar was the same that it was a 1 owner guitar. I guess the original owner had purchased a white custom back in the day, but took it back because he just wasn't in love with it. The store owner made it up to him by selling him this Brazilian rosewood custom for just a little bit more. www.gbase.com/gear/gibson-les-paul-custom-1975-natural-1
I just called the store that had it (back in 2014) and they said it was a consignment piece that the seller ended up taking back. His knowledge of the guitar matched up with the one owner story as well so I'm guessing the original owner is no longer with us and his collection is being sold by his family
The Trogly's Guitar Show I knew I'd seen this before, with those tuners about a month ago. They certainly knew what it was, so there's no reason the owner shouldn't have as well
What a GREAT VID!!! LOVE the History of the Instrument, Super KILLER IMAGES Both Inside and OUT! Getting to Hear the Particular instrument REALLY SEAL THE DEAL...........Anyways Thank you so much for posting this GEM. 🎸💚
When selling anything anywhere make sure you know all the facts and what you have and value before listing. You as the buyer knew what it was and scored. Their problem not yours. Good score sir.
Indeed. There's no excuse for someone not to make the smallest effort to know what they're selling. If someone is selling something online, they're also able to Google about the guitar they're selling, certainly figure out in no time they can contact Gibson asking for info about the serial. It's their own fault, one thing is actively fooling another person, another is just acting accordingly to their wish. Not everyone is particularly clever and it's not your duty to make up for their ignorance.
@@wallacemackay7562 in which part of the story was he NOT honest? Just as the seller didn't knew it was a much more rare and valuable model, could very well not know about a severe neck twist, reset, headstock repair, etc. that could also make it less valuable. The person could simply pay a store to value the instrument, too, if making the best possible deal was a big concern. Certainly not the same thing, but I've recently bought a MIJ Jackson from the 90s. Not one of the best models of the time, and in "well loved and played" kind of shape, but I managed to get it about half its true value in its condition. The guy knew exactly how much it was worth, was hesitant to let it go, but the ad was already up for a couple of weeks and he needed the money to help him move out more than a guitar collecting dust, moreover needing service. This to say, just because you make a real good deal, it doesn't mean the person selling was ripped off.
@@wallacemackay7562 paying what a seller is asking is not greed. If he had tried to talk them down that would have been morally objectionable. It's not a buyer's responsibility to educate a seller. The seller did zero research and paid the price for not putting the work in.
I visited About Music in Broadripple in Indianapolis for the second time in 2005. The first trip there in 1997 saw me purchasing a 1972 Thinline Tele. I called Rob the day before and let him know I'd be visiting the following day and that night i had a dream about a small body Gibson acoustic. In the dream i could see every detail of the guitar, including a hairline crack at the back of the headstock near the neck that had been repaired so expertly that it could not be seen. The next day he showed me everything in the shop and nothing caught my immediate interest. Then he went to the back of the shop and returned with the guitar that I'd dreamed about. Without taking my eyes off him I took the guitar, not even looking at it, and began to tell him everything he knew about it, including the crack in he neck and the fact that it needed new machine heads. It had been played, but was in mint condition.. He was flabbergasted. I told him about my dream. I bought it without even asking him the price. It had no machine heads and I didn't even waste my time to play it before I purchased it. 1959 LG 3. My favourite acoustic guitar. I've had many experiences like this..
My first Les Paul Standard came with this case and it was born January 10, 1980. Best case ever. I still have it along with my other les pauls it rocks
It's never required but the buyer certainly has way more knowledge than the seller in this instance & even seems to have some guilt about it in that he's asking people's opinions to tell him it's OK. I gave my opinion.If it's someone that could give a shit about the guitar & just wants money for Crack & Beer, I say fine fuck them over but it could be a different situation & the buyer could still make a nice profit when he flips the guitar while still doing the right thing. It would be very easy for him to find out without giving anything away if he wanted to.
My dad's a guitar player too, and he in the last year has seen some deals he was interested in for some Gretsch guitars being sold for way too cheap. He actually messaged the sellers telling them what they actually had, being a good guy letting them know they could get more for it. But then they all mysteriously disappeared off and ebay and gumtree. He determined they must have been scams. They were all pickup only, no sending, and were in the far reaches of Scotland, a good 12 hour drive from London. My dad thinks people would drive up there for the great deal and discover the address and the guitars never actually existed but it was too late by then and they'd already sent their money, or something like that. It was all very strange. If they were legitimate guitars and sellers, why did they not re-list them with a more appropriate price after my dad informed them? Oh well, my dad got this beautiful real gretsch in the end from a real seller, one of the big hollowbody ones, and it sounds so gorgeous especially with some overdrive so you can get that Pete Townshend Who's Next tone that Townshend got with his big orange gretsch on that album. I'm thinking of getting filtertron style pickups and putting them in my les Paul copy, because of how good these things sound.
I don't know how you feel about this purchase nowadays.. but a good way to show your appreciation and honesty would be sending the seller this video, so she can judge it herself. You're my favorite Gibson expert on UA-cam, and don't seem like a guy who'd try to scam someone. Keep up the good work. :) ps: online shopping is nothing like personally buying something. Telling the real value of something on Ebay or Reverb is not even CLOSE to telling an owner in the eye.
I love this channel and the way you describe the guitar in detail and go into every part of the guitar and explain the history of the guitar thank you for your videos
Back in the early '00s I walked into a Super Pawn and saw one of those little Marshall Valvestate amps mismarked at $39.99 (they were asking $200 on those things). I can't say I felt bad about it, considering the many times Super Pawn burned my ass.
You mentioned two Norlin models that used Brazilian rosewood-- the LP custom and the rosewood crest. Just wanted to point out that the Les Paul Jumbo (the acoustic model in Les Paul's low-impedance guitar series) also has Brazilian rosewood back and sides. About 40 Les Paul Jumbos were made, IIRC.
You’re not alone with wishful thinking/wanting certain guitars and there they are, scenarios. It’s happened to me several times throughout the years, so I believe you 100%. 😉👍
I visited About Music in Broadripple in Indianapolis for the second time in 2005. The first trip there in 1997 saw me purchasing a 1972 Thinline Tele. I called Rob the day before and let him know I'd be visiting the following day and that night i had a dream about a small body Gibson acoustic. In the dream i could see every detail of the guitar, including a hairline crack at the back of the headstock near the neck that had been repaired so expertly that it could not be seen. The next day he showed me everything in the shop and nothing caught my immediate interest. Then he went to the back of the shop and returned with the guitar that I'd dreamed about. Without taking my eyes off him I took the guitar, not even looking at it, and began to tell him everything he knew about it, including the crack in he neck and the fact that it needed new machine heads. It had been played, but was in mint condition.. He was flabbergasted. I told him about my dream. I bought it without even asking him the price. It had no machine heads and I didn't even waste my time to play it before I purchased it. 1959 LG 3. My favourite acoustic guitar. I've had many experiences like this..
I think it's up to the Seller to research what he is selling.....not to the buyer. Buyer Beware is what I've always heard so you did the ethical and moral thing. Great job and really enjoy your video's.
I think this is where your years of experience, reading and specializing pay off. I agree with many others here, if it was a 59 burst then yeah - but if you paid near 3 or 4k for something you find out is worth 10 then good for you Austin!
No, in most cases, when something is being sold on a site that's specific to the item that's being sold, (ie.Reverb.com in this case) it's definitely NOT your responsibility to tell a seller what it is they're selling. However, if it's like a widow selling her dead husband's guitar at her garage sale so she can pay the mortgage, then not only is it morally right to explain what it is and what it's worth, hell, it's almost criminal if you don't help her sell it at the right price and give her every red cent, and maybe even some extra $$$. On the other end of the spectrum, if it's a person who just wants any price they can get for it so they can feed an addiction, then you have a dilemma that is usually handled differently depending how you grew up or are growing up. I personally would not get heavily involved with that transaction, seeing there's a good chance the item is stolen. This is just my opinion built over 60 years.
I hawked all my gear piece by piece in addiction before. From like 30 pieces of gear to zero. I will always regret giving up some of the items But that was all my own doing. I don't blame anyone but myself. I feel as if "The Starving Musician" store provided me with a service pertinent to Starving Musicians.
Great video! Reverb priced out these guitars: Reverb Estimated Used Price Range $7,000 - $10,000. Chicago Music Exchange sold the last one at $7,995. Good information ... I did not realize that Gibson had manufactured Rosewood Les Pauls .... thanks! Great and detailed videos! Happy New Year!
I bought a 1970 Les Paul Custom, years ago. It had the same Grover Imperial tuners on it. I call them 'art deco' tuners lol! What I did, since I didn't like the tuners, I just swapped the buttons. I did have a hard time, finding used gold tuner buttons, with the proper diameter etc. but I finally did and it was worth it. Went with Grover style kidney bean buttons. Cool guitar. Love your channel.
I think sharing information is the only way to make the world a better place. I have been to yard sales where people have had instruments up for sale for far less and far more than they're actually worth. By informing people of the value of their instruments, it provides them an opportunity to sell it fairly if it's of concern to the seller. The world isn't perfect, and I'm not judging, I'm just saying what I would do. I know an instance where this worked to the benefit of a friend of mine. He purchased an early 70s Les Paul Deluxe at a yard sale from an elderly gentleman. The guitar was worn, but in decent shape. My friend saw the instrument and told the man that it was worth much more than he had been asking (I think it was out for $500.00). The elderly gentleman sold it to my friend for even less than his asking price because he appreciated his honesty. The only condition was that he hold onto the guitar and pass it on to someone else in a similar fashion. He stated that it was his brother's guitar, who had long since passed, and said since my friend knew so much about the guitar, and was such a good player, he wanted another player to own it. Now, in saying this, another commenter stated that the seller was not open to offers, so I would definitely take that into consideration as well.
I've mixed feelings on that. If I was going to sell something I knew nothing about I'd do some homework. But if the buyer knows more homework than the seller what can you do? And then there is just being fair and clueing the person in. It would really depend on my mood that particular day.
I found a triple humbucker Koa wood neck through double cutaway guitar while helping clean out some storage units. It had no pickups or electronics. Lots of MOP inlays and binding. Turns out it was an early Carvin and was somewhat of a 1-off or prototype.
Awesome!! Its quantum physics we are reality creating machines!! The physics of possibilities! It also reminds of this other way of thinking to achieve the things you want in life. Its based on an acronym called "SPEC" See it--Project it--Expect it--Collect it. Was written about in a book by a lady who has won more contests than anybody in recent history. Its just a cool way of thinking too. I just recently started trying it and it seems to work but patience is the key. Beautiful and rare guitar for sure and its not like you only gave her ten bucks for it. You gave her what she was asking and its like you said it was a players grade condition guitar. Though it is rare and collectible. Hope i can find a special guitar like that someday. Great video thanks for sharing! Rock on!!
Cool. I had one of these too. The one I had came from the original owner and was a clean guitar. Heavy too! Someone said they made 50 for the Bicentennial . That guy also still had his '52 goldtop, which he sent back to Gibson and had if refinished .
if you still haven't gotten a Crest, you should try getting one on the channel sometime! they're amazing guitars and sound like nothing else. I was lucky enough to get to play a late 60s one at Carter Vintage Guitars in Nashville (got to play a 1920 Gibson Style O the same day!)
I remember those times long ago when ebay was like craigs list...... people selling things cheap because |online| selling was in its infancy, risky, and pawn brokers were offering 10% of market value on the street... You could buy a few used things cheap as chips... ah chips ..... must go dont feel bad if you got a deal, there are market values and dealer values - love your channel btw.
I would say, it depends. Depends on the situation. I remember, one time I saw a video. Some dude saw a very(!) good deal for a computer (I think it was a 1080ti, the most powerful option at that time). The description said something like it was my son's computer. He naturally thought his son just played too much games and his dad decided to sell it or something like that. When he arrived, it turned out that his son died. Of a disease, I think. Well, that's the situation when you have to tell the person that the thing you're buying for 300$ is worth ten times more. And yes, if you're wondering, he didn't. He just grabbed the PC and drove home. This situation isn't nearly as dramatic in this case. But still, considering that the original owner of this guitar had played it for such a long time. And his hands just stopped working. If you're asking the audience, I would say, in this case it would be fair to tell what it is. Though if you're getting a good deal on something and you know that the seller isn't in any kind of desperate situation, I would say it's up to you. You shouldn't feel guilty for that.
Nice guitar! I'm brazilian and my mom has a HUGE and solid and thick bench with cushion made of Brazilian rosewood. It might be consider a sacrilege for those who like vintage benches coz it has almost 200 years, but if I buy it from my mom, I'll make a few guitars with it, it has wood enough for more than 10. 🤘🤘🤘
I was in guitar center and a old Hispanic man brought in a 100 watt 1968 plexi in mint condition plus cab I tried to give him a heads up but he spoke broken English.Did not get the hint I was trying to give .They gave him 3000.00 for it all. The man was very happy with the transaction. Than GC sold to a music museum in Nashville for 25k
I just built a Les Paul style guitar with Spalted Maple Top, and it looks a lot like this guitar. Wish I could post a pick so you could see. It’s more of a cherry colour but the pattern of the grain with a sort of two tone between grains is freakishly similar. I do have it posted on “Solo Music Gears Facebook page”, under Stephen Ormsby, if your curious. Not for sale , just thought it was a cool coincidence
I had a similar ordeal recently, person says, “here, donate this to local thrift,” I say, “oh that’s cool, it’s abcd...I’ve always wanted one of those...I think I’ll take it.” Turned out to be defg, 1 of 50, worth 100 times what abcd would’ve been worth. I’ve decided to keep the item. He didn’t know the value, didn’t bother checking, didn’t object to me saying I’d keep it, and was basically just going to discard it.
You should see my Les Pauls if you think this is a Road Dog. One is a 1968 custom, replaced headstock, drawing pin holes in the back, crazed all over and the wood showing through in places too! But ... I love it just as it is. But I need the cash so it may have to go on auction in the near future and that'll be hard.
Regarding the imperials. There was a recent video with Joe Bonamassa on Normans rare guitar channel where he is showing of a two pick up black beauty that was factory with those tuners. Apparently they could be factory ordered!
I recently purchased a guitar from a kid (mid-twenties)... I was at work when I seen it on a local buy and sell but made a mistake and identified it as a guitar with much less value than it actually was worth... I told the seller what I thought was a fair price (a little less than fair) before I had taken a closer look at the photo. He came back with what would have been a little high for the mistaken make and model. I said that it was a fair price and if the guitar was in the shape that he said it was I would buy it for a quarter more than I originally said, if he ever wanted to (still thinking it was a different make and model). Shortly after that I took a closer look at the photo and really thought about contacting him and letting him know he could be asking 3 or 4 times as much.. about two weeks went by and he contacted me and said fine to the deal. When I met him it was in the condition he said it was and I went through the guitar honestly and out loud. Then I asked him if he ever really played it and he said no. I gave him what I said I would. I think he thought I was going to try and talk him down at the purchase time. Well I have since polished it and set it up proper and for sure he never played it as it is a brand new guitar. But my usual thing is buying frankenstein guitars for laughs and parts for inventory towards guitars I'm fixing. A couple months ago I got a strat with three tele bridge pick-ups, lol. Its so wrong but I love it... I really like your channel. I've learned tons. Thanks!!
although they can slip around on a table, I like those cases. My favorite part is the neckcradle built into the compartment lid. Really helps while changing strings.
I had mine on top of a Telecaster case, on a pool table and the cat jumped up on it. Something startled the cat and it bolted and the Gibson case slid off the Tele case like it was greased and shot over the edge of the pool table and hit the hard tile floor. Nothing broke. The guitar was not damaged. Bloody tough cases but slippery as oil. And love the neck cradle too.
Truly, being honest with the seller depends on whether you're buying it or not. If you're not interested, tell the seller. If you love it, mum's the word.
To me, it sounds like someone who knows what it is, as he is into and loves guitars in general, and Gibsons in particular, and because of this, will take special care of this vintage rare bird road warrior veteran, who's long service in battle has probably left it in a more fragile condition than when it was born, got a killer deal, one befitting such a deep core Gibson connoisseur. And someone who isn't into guitars in general, and especially Gibsons in particular, and who could have just as easily and readily sold it to a snot nosed brat rich kid who would just trash, or hock it for chump change when they get strung out on dope of some sort, but instead sold it to a reputable buyer who could actually preserve such a treasure, and to one who gave them a nice one time stipend bonus check, one that they didn't have the day before. Win!/Win!/Win!, for both parties, and the guitar as well, is what I say...
Nice looking guitar.I like the tuners. As you implied, they're now part of that guitars history. Buy the way, sounds like you got lucky but, in a fair way.
I got top condition 59 National full hollow body 2 pickup trapeze tailpiece for thousands les I had to take it back to my friend tell him what it was and I trade back even he took it but I had her for awhile great jazz guitar probably changed my destiny
hey bro good find..i own a few guitars and i'm totally up to speed on their value and condition..with a bit of homework via the internet everyone can get informed..good find fair and square in my opinion..
I recently subscribed. These videos are great. Man, I wish I had the means to flip guitars like this. Or even own a few nice vintage gibsons. Maybe someday. Lol. Thanks for the content
I bought a 1964 Danelectro/Silvertone with the tube amp in the case for $125 and sold it for $600. The seller thought it was some cheap piece of junk. I don't feel guilty, I paid full asking price. They had other real junk guitars and were asking high used retail for them. The seller saw me about a month later and stated he should have done more research on the Silvertone because he realized it was worth more than he sold it for. He thought he was getting alot for an old weird cardboard looking guitar. Bottom line: it's just business; win some/lose some and learn from mistakes.
I have been watching your channel for a while now, you seem to be a very honorable person. Follow your heart Trog! If you have morals following your heart will never miss lead you. Keep up the great work. I am more of a Strat and tele guy but I acquired a 78 Gibson The Paul all original and I very much enjoy playing that guitar. Since I have been watching your channel so much I am considering buying a Gibson Les Paul. I know very little about these guitars and I do not know which years to look for and what years to leave alone, quality wise. I am not looking for a vintage Les Paul or anything outrageous, I am only looking for a good quality player. I guess a 2-2.5k range. If I could find a good one for less that would be great! By watching your channel I can help myself sort through the vast sea of Les Pauls to narrow my search. If you have any tips you’d like to share I would very much appreciate it. Thanks! Harold
I have owned 2 of them also. They were made in 74 and 75 a few of the last ones had maple necks but most were mahogany. I had one of each. Both guitars were 100% original. My maple necked one I got off of Ebay for 2200.00, and sold it a few years ago for 6K. They are rare as I think total production was 52 of them between the 2 years. Rare yes, but how desirable, not nearly what they should be. There was actually a one off SOLID Brazilian (top and back) prototype that was for sale forever, and it did not sell for what was the asking price, which was reasonable for what it was.
You did ok; the seller could have IDed the guitar by the serial number, and you paid the full asking price. All parties should be happy, and the guitar is in better hands than before.
Very striking guitar indeed, Trogly! Since it is a Brazilian Rosewood, you’ll need to get a special CITES Schedule I certificate and license for this guitar to ever be permitted to leave the United States - even going to Canada or Mexico with this thing isn’t that simple. Make sure that you have all the documentation sorted on this, as without such documents the guitar could easily be seized by some overzealous CBP / TSA / DHS loon at the port (who will, no doubt, call his buddies from the Wildlife and Fisheries Service). PRS was dumb enough to have a shipment of their guitars seized and forcibly donated to some backwoods music school somewhere in rural Alaska.
I have a chainsaw case for my '68 SG and I had no idea there was a date inside. It's sort of utilitarian, so I never really bothered to inspect the inside of it that much. I just checked and mine's dated June 17th, 1980. Within a month of yours. I like the chainsaw case though. It's kind of fugly, but it holds your instrument securely and it is well-built. I also like the sure feel of the plastic latches as well. It's definitely not a pretty case, but it's a good case. Again, very utilitarian. Cool Les Paul BTW.
The Gen 2 chainsaw case with 3 plastic latches is definitely my favorite all time case. Not all of them had a date code stamped inside - that seemed to start somewhere around late '79/'80. Thanks for watching!
My dad is getting ready to retire this year and would love to pick up a Gibson Les Paul and learn how to play guitar again he hasn't touched a guitar and over 40 years do you still have it and how much are you asking
I had a similar experience. I went to the Dallas Vintage Show in 2006. I got a dealer pass, so I was there 1 day before the public. A dealer had what he thought was an early 70's Tele that he just put on display. It was a refin, no decal, so to I.D it at first glance was difficult. I could see, however, that the neck profile was typical 50's Tele. I grabbed the guitar, asked the dealer if I could remove the guard and look under the hood. Low and behold, it was a 1950 Broadcaster. Original 50's neck, body, pups, and bridge. Bought it for $1900.00 sold it for $17,500 a week later. My thought was that if a dealer doesn't put the time in to know what he or she has, it's certainly their loss.
The same guy also sold me a 62 Strat refin, original pups, pots, green-guard, and white case $2200.00. He was a dealer and had no idea what he was doing or what things were worth.The Strat had a 90's neck on it, but the guitar was still worth $7000.00 at the time. Sold that, too. I miss those days.
if the guitar was selling online, then the information was online and the seller has no excuse for not getting it valued. true story, a few years back a friend of mine was at a jumble sale and a middle aged woman was selling her sons stuff on. there was a guitar in a case that she couldnt get open and sold it for £25, site unseen. he got it home and bust the lock. yup, 50s strat in close to immaculate condition. did he go back and tell her? did he fuck.
having said that, its the same guy who was gifted a LP SG and thought it was a fake. he swapped it for a charvette worth about £300. the guitar was later featured in a collecters mag and sold for about 6k
Once a seller uses a public marketplace like eBay or Reverb, it’s up to them to do their research when setting a price. I say buyer has no obligation to to inform seller. If you were at someone’s house and offered to buy an item for way under market because they didn’t know what they had, then you would be a scumbag.
I was at a neighborhood "block sale" and saw a guitar neck sticking out of a plastic bin. Storage auction stuff it looked to me. Pulled out what I thought was a 1970s copy of a L6S. Pickups and hardware all corroded , covered in stickers etc... Guy says I'm trying to get rid of that guitar offer me anything but $1. I say OK $5. He says OK. I figure to throw the hardware away and sell body and neck as vintage "project guitar" on ebay. I don't even look at it for several days. Control cover was duct taped on. American pots? I look at the tuners....Gibson. I felt bad but got over it a few seconds later.
Nice score! I've seen a few of those l6s copies around. Most look pretty good and still fetch a decent prices. One man's junk is another man's treasure. Thanks for sharing!
I have a friend who saw a junk guitar at a yard sale and asked if the guy had anything else, the guy said, "I've got an old bass in the attic" he goes and gets it and it's a vintage Gibson EB-0 bass. Asks the guy how much he wants and dude says, "I don't know? seven?" My friend says (assuming the guy wants $700) "that seems a bit high..." so the guy says, "well, I guess I could take five bucks." My friend now dumbfounded fished a $5 bill out of his pocket and handed it to the dude.
In the early 1990s I was nosing about in a store that sold mostly junk guitars, amplifiers and organs - remember it was the days of electronic pop, and guitars were deeply unfashionable. There were literally piles of Orange amp heads that the store owner was practically giving away. I noticed an SG copy in the corner with only five strings, cream pickups and looking pretty sorry for itself. I thought it looked OK as a basis for a project so I paid £60 for it, which was actually a lot of money for me at the time. I got it home and cleaned it up, noticing that the paint and decals on the headstock were covering something underneath. Closer inspection revealed my 'copy' was actually a 1975 or 76 Gibson SG with a pair of original DiMarzio Super Distortions. A real giveaway was the Schaller 'harmonica' bridge, which was still intact but a bit corroded. The serial number is missing, so I suspect the change of identity might have been to disguise a guitar which had been stolen, or perhaps to make it less likely to be stolen. Either way, I still have it and will never sell it. I certainly didn't think of telling the store owner! I doubt he'd have cared anyway. Back then a '75 SG was almost worthless. Now, just one of the pickups would be worth £100. The other one was knackered, unfortunately.
I saw what looked like a dead mint ‘67 Princeton Reverb on the shelf of a pawn shop. Asked the guy how much he wanted. He said he hadn’t yet priced it nor tested it. He looked up the shitty DSP “Reissue”, which was $500 New. I walked out with it for $300 tax included. It is stone dead mint. Even professional traders make mistakes. It ain’t my fault!
A friend of my fathers ran a used shop for a while, one day an old lady came in looking kind of sad with a guitar case. She comes to the counter and says "this was my husbands guitar and he recently passed, nobody in the family wants the guitar so I'm going to sell it." The guy goes "okay I'd be happy to take a look and make an offer, what we're you thinking?" she responds that she had looked up fender stratocaster on "the googles" and she was hoping to get about 400 for it. This guy Proceeds to open up the most beautiful white, 1950's stratocaster. He goes, "yeah I'll give you about 1000$ for it." She looks really happy and about halfway thru him getting out the check he says "no I just couldn't do that, I'll give you about 12,000 for it." I don't really have an opinion on whether or not he should or shouldn't have, but i believe what he did was a good thing, and especially when you're dealing with that kind of stuff, you haven't done anything wrong because if he has used it then he should know, but that old lady probably wore earplugs to that guys gigs and read oprah's magazines, you just can't get that kind of bad karma on your name.
Lazymenlike Great story.
Me too.
Kaptain Kid i quit my day job but i have a shitty night job 😂😂
Not a true story.
Guava Jelly ur mom isnt a true story
Beautiful guitar wonderful buy......🎼🎶🎸👍
You have such a great attitude thank you for your efforts
I love these videos! Great job 👍
To a point.
If it's a grandma selling a 10.000$ guitar she knows nothing about for 100$, you have to.
If it's just a miscalculation from the seller, done in good faith and after their research and evaluation, fair enough, good deal.
P.S. She had it as a memory of her uncle.
Selling it shows just how she couldn't care less, sorry, so if someone has to feel guilty, it's not you.
Thank you for your input and thanks for watching!
I have done this several times, and so have my friends.
Here's what happens: They go get an appraisal, and YOU wont even get a chance to buy the instrument at ANY price. Grandma gets greedy, and the appraiser makes you look like a thief for even looking at it at the too-low asking price.
No good deed goes unpunished. Pay the asking price, hank grandma and STFU.
So this guitar is far from original. Don’t feel guilty, a true collector will steer clear of it
Its a nice players grade, you paid the ask fair and square 👍🏻👍🏻🎸🎸
I get your point. I have a crappy instrument, it was a present an uncle gave me when I was a kid. It will never leave me.
Just like buyer beware, works for the seller too. Sellers should do their research too. In this day and age, there's no excuse for not knowing!
and if they dont bother to do their homework they probably dont care that much and just want to sell it fast
Caveat Venditor
I just bought a lp standard listed as a tribute from guitar center for $700. I don’t feel the least bit bad.
Did you buy a lotto ticket that day? I would have.
Out of curiosity I looked up the original listing from which you purchased it.
You Sir made a very good purchase.
Thank Goodness you trusted your intuition.
In the case of an online auction imo the seller has the responsibility of knowing what they're selling and what it's value is. If they're too busy or too lazy to do a little research, that's not on you. If you where the owner of a pawn shop it might be a little different but in your case they're happy - they got their full ask and your happy cause you got a good deal on a rare guitar. Sounds like a win - win to me.
Your playing it well was the icing on the cake of this show. Bravo.
I had a feeling like that once back in the 90's. I was at work and something told me to go to the local used instrument store. When I got there there was a 70's Guild 12 string up on the wall waiting for me. I bought it and have been playing it ever since.
A few years ago i bought a 50s Gibson Custom Shop from an ad online. They were asking $500. When i got to the shop i checked it and it seemed to be the real deal. I did tell them that even though i could only pay what they were asking for that they could fetch waaay more than that. They insisted on that price and also informed me that they had several previous offers for more money. They even dropped the price to $450 and gave me the big piece of the bigsby it originally had... sure i still have to get parts and restore it but sometimes you can be transparent and honest and yet they wont take it... i got reaaally lucky on that one.
Hey good shopping! Excellent guitar.
You are a master at creating provenance.
Iv been around guitars for a long time,, u come up with some iv not even heard of ,, PRETTY COOL !
1969 Gibson J-50, advertised on E Bay. It had what the seller said was the number "5" below the serial no. Nobody bid on it because they didn't know what it was and it was passed up. By then i was compelled to investigate because I had a very strong feeling that there was something special about it. It wasn't the number "5" but the letter "S" stamped below the serial no. It turns out that it was a factory "second", sold in the first 3 months of production, in the first year of production of the square shouldered J-50.
Gibson would never have sold a guitar with structural defects as a second. It had to be something superficial. It came up for auction again and i bid on it. One bid, the only bidder. It was sold as a second because the "j-50" ink stamp had not been applied to the inner body through the sound hole. it turns out that it was one of the prototypes made before production began, and was thus stamped with a serial no and put to sale in the first 3 months. I paid $799 US. It's worth several thousand. I gave it to my brother as a birthday present.
Here is an interesting add on to this story... I just found that this guitar was for sale by a Rudy's Music at some point in time - likely not long ago. That store said it was a consignment that the owner took back. His memory of the guitar was the same that it was a 1 owner guitar. I guess the original owner had purchased a white custom back in the day, but took it back because he just wasn't in love with it. The store owner made it up to him by selling him this Brazilian rosewood custom for just a little bit more.
www.gbase.com/gear/gibson-les-paul-custom-1975-natural-1
Could it be stolen?
I just called the store that had it (back in 2014) and they said it was a consignment piece that the seller ended up taking back. His knowledge of the guitar matched up with the one owner story as well so I'm guessing the original owner is no longer with us and his collection is being sold by his family
That makes sense
A guilty pleasure..rosewood is a strong dense wood - heavy isn't it ?
The Trogly's Guitar Show I knew I'd seen this before, with those tuners about a month ago. They certainly knew what it was, so there's no reason the owner shouldn't have as well
What a GREAT VID!!! LOVE the History of the Instrument, Super KILLER IMAGES Both Inside and OUT! Getting to Hear the Particular instrument REALLY SEAL THE DEAL...........Anyways Thank you so much for posting this GEM. 🎸💚
Thanks for watching! I do many videos just like this one!
Beautiful guitar!
When selling anything anywhere make sure you know all the facts and what you have and value before listing. You as the buyer knew what it was and scored. Their problem not yours. Good score sir.
The seller put the price,you paid it end of story deal done.
Indeed. There's no excuse for someone not to make the smallest effort to know what they're selling. If someone is selling something online, they're also able to Google about the guitar they're selling, certainly figure out in no time they can contact Gibson asking for info about the serial. It's their own fault, one thing is actively fooling another person, another is just acting accordingly to their wish. Not everyone is particularly clever and it's not your duty to make up for their ignorance.
@@acoffeewithsatan Honesty is the best policy. Greed ruins your buy. Its possible your fingers would fall off the next day.
@@wallacemackay7562 in which part of the story was he NOT honest? Just as the seller didn't knew it was a much more rare and valuable model, could very well not know about a severe neck twist, reset, headstock repair, etc. that could also make it less valuable. The person could simply pay a store to value the instrument, too, if making the best possible deal was a big concern. Certainly not the same thing, but I've recently bought a MIJ Jackson from the 90s. Not one of the best models of the time, and in "well loved and played" kind of shape, but I managed to get it about half its true value in its condition. The guy knew exactly how much it was worth, was hesitant to let it go, but the ad was already up for a couple of weeks and he needed the money to help him move out more than a guitar collecting dust, moreover needing service. This to say, just because you make a real good deal, it doesn't mean the person selling was ripped off.
@@wallacemackay7562 paying what a seller is asking is not greed. If he had tried to talk them down that would have been morally objectionable. It's not a buyer's responsibility to educate a seller. The seller did zero research and paid the price for not putting the work in.
I visited About Music in Broadripple in Indianapolis for the second time in 2005. The first trip there in 1997 saw me purchasing a 1972 Thinline Tele. I called Rob the day before and let him know I'd be visiting the following day and that night i had a dream about a small body Gibson acoustic. In the dream i could see every detail of the guitar, including a hairline crack at the back of the headstock near the neck that had been repaired so expertly that it could not be seen.
The next day he showed me everything in the shop and nothing caught my immediate interest. Then he went to the back of the shop and returned with the guitar that I'd dreamed about. Without taking my eyes off him I took the guitar, not even looking at it, and began to tell him everything he knew about it, including the crack in he neck and the fact that it needed new machine heads. It had been played, but was in mint condition.. He was flabbergasted. I told him about my dream. I bought it without even asking him the price. It had no machine heads and I didn't even waste my time to play it before I purchased it. 1959 LG 3. My favourite acoustic guitar. I've had many experiences like this..
My first Les Paul Standard came with this case and it was born January 10, 1980. Best case ever. I still have it along with my other les pauls it rocks
This is not an instance that requires the buyer to educate the seller.
It's never required but the buyer certainly has way more knowledge than the seller in this instance & even seems to have some guilt about it in that he's asking people's opinions to tell him it's OK. I gave my opinion.If it's someone that could give a shit about the guitar & just wants money for Crack & Beer, I say fine fuck them over but it could be a different situation & the buyer could still make a nice profit when he flips the guitar while still doing the right thing. It would be very easy for him to find out without giving anything away if he wanted to.
My dad's a guitar player too, and he in the last year has seen some deals he was interested in for some Gretsch guitars being sold for way too cheap. He actually messaged the sellers telling them what they actually had, being a good guy letting them know they could get more for it. But then they all mysteriously disappeared off and ebay and gumtree. He determined they must have been scams. They were all pickup only, no sending, and were in the far reaches of Scotland, a good 12 hour drive from London. My dad thinks people would drive up there for the great deal and discover the address and the guitars never actually existed but it was too late by then and they'd already sent their money, or something like that. It was all very strange. If they were legitimate guitars and sellers, why did they not re-list them with a more appropriate price after my dad informed them?
Oh well, my dad got this beautiful real gretsch in the end from a real seller, one of the big hollowbody ones, and it sounds so gorgeous especially with some overdrive so you can get that Pete Townshend Who's Next tone that Townshend got with his big orange gretsch on that album. I'm thinking of getting filtertron style pickups and putting them in my les Paul copy, because of how good these things sound.
That is a fantastic find!
I don't know how you feel about this purchase nowadays..
but a good way to show your appreciation and honesty would be sending the seller this video, so she can judge it herself.
You're my favorite Gibson expert on UA-cam, and don't seem like a guy who'd try to scam someone.
Keep up the good work. :)
ps: online shopping is nothing like personally buying something. Telling the real value of something on Ebay or Reverb is not even CLOSE to telling an owner in the eye.
I love this channel and the way you describe the guitar in detail and go into every part of the guitar and explain the history of the guitar thank you for your videos
Back in the early '00s I walked into a Super Pawn and saw one of those little Marshall
Valvestate amps mismarked at $39.99 (they were asking $200 on those things).
I can't say I felt bad about it, considering the many times Super Pawn burned my ass.
Yeah, it feels different when you get a great deal from a business haha. Thanks for watching!
Oh, pawn shop. Yeah that's their problem not mine.
You mentioned two Norlin models that used Brazilian rosewood-- the LP custom and the rosewood crest. Just wanted to point out that the Les Paul Jumbo (the acoustic model in Les Paul's low-impedance guitar series) also has Brazilian rosewood back and sides. About 40 Les Paul Jumbos were made, IIRC.
You’re not alone with wishful thinking/wanting certain guitars and there they are, scenarios. It’s happened to me several times throughout the years, so I believe you 100%. 😉👍
I visited About Music in Broadripple in Indianapolis for the second time in 2005. The first trip there in 1997 saw me purchasing a 1972 Thinline Tele. I called Rob the day before and let him know I'd be visiting the following day and that night i had a dream about a small body Gibson acoustic. In the dream i could see every detail of the guitar, including a hairline crack at the back of the headstock near the neck that had been repaired so expertly that it could not be seen.
The next day he showed me everything in the shop and nothing caught my immediate interest. Then he went to the back of the shop and returned with the guitar that I'd dreamed about. Without taking my eyes off him I took the guitar, not even looking at it, and began to tell him everything he knew about it, including the crack in he neck and the fact that it needed new machine heads. It had been played, but was in mint condition.. He was flabbergasted. I told him about my dream. I bought it without even asking him the price. It had no machine heads and I didn't even waste my time to play it before I purchased it. 1959 LG 3. My favourite acoustic guitar. I've had many experiences like this..
You played it without machine heads?
I think it's up to the Seller to research what he is selling.....not to the buyer. Buyer Beware is what I've always heard so you did the ethical and moral thing. Great job and really enjoy your video's.
Dude don’t feel bad, this is any guitar guy’s dream!
I think this is where your years of experience, reading and specializing pay off. I agree with many others here, if it was a 59 burst then yeah - but if you paid near 3 or 4k for something you find out is worth 10 then good for you Austin!
When it comes to the Norlin era rare models, I know my stuff and sometimes it pays off! Thank you for sharing your thoughts
Oh man! Pure jacarandá-da-bahia wood!!!!
No, in most cases, when something is being sold on a site that's specific to the item that's being sold, (ie.Reverb.com in this case) it's definitely NOT your responsibility to tell a seller what it is they're selling. However, if it's like a widow selling her dead husband's guitar at her garage sale so she can pay the mortgage, then not only is it morally right to explain what it is and what it's worth, hell, it's almost criminal if you don't help her sell it at the right price and give her every red cent, and maybe even some extra $$$. On the other end of the spectrum, if it's a person who just wants any price they can get for it so they can feed an addiction, then you have a dilemma that is usually handled differently depending how you grew up or are growing up. I personally would not get heavily involved with that transaction, seeing there's a good chance the item is stolen. This is just my opinion built over 60 years.
I hawked all my gear piece by piece in addiction before. From like 30 pieces of gear to zero.
I will always regret giving up some of the items But that was all my own doing. I don't blame anyone but myself.
I feel as if "The Starving Musician" store provided me with a service pertinent to Starving Musicians.
Great video! Reverb priced out these guitars: Reverb Estimated Used Price Range
$7,000 - $10,000. Chicago Music Exchange sold the last one at $7,995. Good information ... I did not realize that Gibson had manufactured Rosewood Les Pauls .... thanks! Great and detailed videos! Happy New Year!
Beautiful, well loved guitar. Family heirloom!
I bought a 1970 Les Paul Custom, years ago. It had the same Grover Imperial tuners on it. I call them 'art deco' tuners lol! What I did, since I didn't like the tuners, I just swapped the buttons. I did have a hard time, finding used gold tuner buttons, with the proper diameter etc. but I finally did and it was worth it. Went with Grover style kidney bean buttons. Cool guitar. Love your channel.
i just got a gibson sg and it is a players guitar and i got for around 400 and it plays great and you are right it does give the guitar personallity
Very nice peice.you may want to investigate it some more.it may be older than you think.it is a sweet find!!!sounds great
I think sharing information is the only way to make the world a better place. I have been to yard sales where people have had instruments up for sale for far less and far more than they're actually worth. By informing people of the value of their instruments, it provides them an opportunity to sell it fairly if it's of concern to the seller. The world isn't perfect, and I'm not judging, I'm just saying what I would do.
I know an instance where this worked to the benefit of a friend of mine. He purchased an early 70s Les Paul Deluxe at a yard sale from an elderly gentleman. The guitar was worn, but in decent shape. My friend saw the instrument and told the man that it was worth much more than he had been asking (I think it was out for $500.00). The elderly gentleman sold it to my friend for even less than his asking price because he appreciated his honesty. The only condition was that he hold onto the guitar and pass it on to someone else in a similar fashion. He stated that it was his brother's guitar, who had long since passed, and said since my friend knew so much about the guitar, and was such a good player, he wanted another player to own it.
Now, in saying this, another commenter stated that the seller was not open to offers, so I would definitely take that into consideration as well.
I've mixed feelings on that. If I was going to sell something I knew nothing about I'd do some homework. But if the buyer knows more homework than the seller what can you do? And then there is just being fair and clueing the person in. It would really depend on my mood that particular day.
My birth year... I would like to find a 1975 custom or standard/deluxe ...that's one of my goals.
Made May 18th, 1980? Same day that Mt. St. Helens blowed up. It deserves a name, I think.
Beautiful guitar with loads of character 🤤❤👍
Wow, that's amazing! Love the video title too.
I found a triple humbucker Koa wood neck through double cutaway guitar while helping clean out some storage units. It had no pickups or electronics. Lots of MOP inlays and binding. Turns out it was an early Carvin and was somewhat of a 1-off or prototype.
This exact guitar is up for sale in Japan right now, in a guitar shop located in Tokyo. Asking price is around $15000USD.
That thing's got its mojo workin' !
Nice find,...keep trusting your gut.
Seems to be set up well too.
I just came back to this video to say that I'm still salty over the fact that i saw this on reverb too and didn't pull the trigger
Great guitar. Looks and sounds incredibly 70's.
Some monster tones on that bridge pickup.
Awesome!! Its quantum physics we are reality creating machines!! The physics of possibilities! It also reminds of this other way of thinking to achieve the things you want in life. Its based on an acronym called "SPEC" See it--Project it--Expect it--Collect it. Was written about in a book by a lady who has won more contests than anybody in recent history. Its just a cool way of thinking too. I just recently started trying it and it seems to work but patience is the key. Beautiful and rare guitar for sure and its not like you only gave her ten bucks for it. You gave her what she was asking and its like you said it was a players grade condition guitar. Though it is rare and collectible. Hope i can find a special guitar like that someday. Great video thanks for sharing! Rock on!!
Cool. I had one of these too. The one I had came from the original owner and was a clean guitar. Heavy too! Someone said they made 50 for the Bicentennial . That guy also still had his '52 goldtop, which he sent back to Gibson and had if refinished .
No way, you handled that transaction beautifully. Congratulations.
I think customized parts on a player's grade guitar just adds to the story of that guitar. All well played guitars have a story. I know mine do!
Very nice show today Trogly
if you still haven't gotten a Crest, you should try getting one on the channel sometime! they're amazing guitars and sound like nothing else. I was lucky enough to get to play a late 60s one at Carter Vintage Guitars in Nashville (got to play a 1920 Gibson Style O the same day!)
I remember those times long ago when ebay was like craigs list...... people selling things cheap because |online| selling was in its infancy, risky, and pawn brokers were offering 10% of market value on the street... You could buy a few used things cheap as chips... ah chips ..... must go dont feel bad if you got a deal, there are market values and dealer values - love your channel btw.
I would say, it depends. Depends on the situation.
I remember, one time I saw a video. Some dude saw a very(!) good deal for a computer (I think it was a 1080ti, the most powerful option at that time). The description said something like it was my son's computer. He naturally thought his son just played too much games and his dad decided to sell it or something like that.
When he arrived, it turned out that his son died. Of a disease, I think. Well, that's the situation when you have to tell the person that the thing you're buying for 300$ is worth ten times more. And yes, if you're wondering, he didn't. He just grabbed the PC and drove home.
This situation isn't nearly as dramatic in this case. But still, considering that the original owner of this guitar had played it for such a long time. And his hands just stopped working. If you're asking the audience, I would say, in this case it would be fair to tell what it is.
Though if you're getting a good deal on something and you know that the seller isn't in any kind of desperate situation, I would say it's up to you. You shouldn't feel guilty for that.
Nice guitar! I'm brazilian and my mom has a HUGE and solid and thick bench with cushion made of Brazilian rosewood. It might be consider a sacrilege for those who like vintage benches coz it has almost 200 years, but if I buy it from my mom, I'll make a few guitars with it, it has wood enough for more than 10. 🤘🤘🤘
That must be a nice bench! haha
I wouldn't say that it's a "duty", but it's most certainly the gentlemanly thing to do.
I don't think there is any duty to let a seller know what they have especially if they know how to use a computer to sell the item.
Always do the right thing... in an endless series of games, you don't violate the rules of the game to win one game...
I was in guitar center and a old Hispanic man brought in a 100 watt 1968 plexi in mint condition plus cab I tried to give him a heads up but he spoke broken English.Did not get the hint I was trying to give .They gave him 3000.00 for it all. The man was very happy with the transaction. Than GC sold to a music museum in Nashville for 25k
@Joey Lightsey I was to Late by 15 mins lol
I just built a Les Paul style guitar with Spalted Maple Top, and it looks a lot like this guitar. Wish I could post a pick so you could see. It’s more of a cherry colour but the pattern of the grain with a sort of two tone between grains is freakishly similar. I do have it posted on “Solo Music Gears Facebook page”, under Stephen Ormsby, if your curious. Not for sale , just thought it was a cool coincidence
It's a beautiful, very rare, guitar.
Very cool LP. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
My god that's gorgeous.
That's one of my favorite guitars ever!
I just scored my first les Paul from a distant friend for free! It’s a 2006 all mahogany studio but hey for the price that’s awesome!
I had a similar ordeal recently, person says, “here, donate this to local thrift,” I say, “oh that’s cool, it’s abcd...I’ve always wanted one of those...I think I’ll take it.” Turned out to be defg, 1 of 50, worth 100 times what abcd would’ve been worth. I’ve decided to keep the item. He didn’t know the value, didn’t bother checking, didn’t object to me saying I’d keep it, and was basically just going to discard it.
You should see my Les Pauls if you think this is a Road Dog. One is a 1968 custom, replaced headstock, drawing pin holes in the back, crazed all over and the wood showing through in places too! But ... I love it just as it is. But I need the cash so it may have to go on auction in the near future and that'll be hard.
Regarding the imperials. There was a recent video with Joe Bonamassa on Normans rare guitar channel where he is showing of a two pick up black beauty that was factory with those tuners. Apparently they could be factory ordered!
I recently purchased a guitar from a kid (mid-twenties)... I was at work when I seen it on a local buy and sell but made a mistake and identified it as a guitar with much less value than it actually was worth... I told the seller what I thought was a fair price (a little less than fair) before I had taken a closer look at the photo. He came back with what would have been a little high for the mistaken make and model. I said that it was a fair price and if the guitar was in the shape that he said it was I would buy it for a quarter more than I originally said, if he ever wanted to (still thinking it was a different make and model). Shortly after that I took a closer look at the photo and really thought about contacting him and letting him know he could be asking 3 or 4 times as much.. about two weeks went by and he contacted me and said fine to the deal. When I met him it was in the condition he said it was and I went through the guitar honestly and out loud. Then I asked him if he ever really played it and he said no. I gave him what I said I would. I think he thought I was going to try and talk him down at the purchase time. Well I have since polished it and set it up proper and for sure he never played it as it is a brand new guitar. But my usual thing is buying frankenstein guitars for laughs and parts for inventory towards guitars I'm fixing. A couple months ago I got a strat with three tele bridge pick-ups, lol. Its so wrong but I love it... I really like your channel. I've learned tons. Thanks!!
although they can slip around on a table, I like those cases. My favorite part is the neckcradle built into the compartment lid. Really helps while changing strings.
I had mine on top of a Telecaster case, on a pool table and the cat jumped up on it. Something startled the cat and it bolted and the Gibson case slid off the Tele case like it was greased and shot over the edge of the pool table and hit the hard tile floor. Nothing broke. The guitar was not damaged. Bloody tough cases but slippery as oil. And love the neck cradle too.
Truly, being honest with the seller depends on whether you're buying it or not. If you're not interested, tell the seller. If you love it, mum's the word.
To me, it sounds like someone who knows what it is, as he is into and loves guitars in general, and Gibsons in particular, and because of this, will take special care of this vintage rare bird road warrior veteran, who's long service in battle has probably left it in a more fragile condition than when it was born, got a killer deal, one befitting such a deep core Gibson connoisseur. And someone who isn't into guitars in general, and especially Gibsons in particular, and who could have just as easily and readily sold it to a snot nosed brat rich kid who would just trash, or hock it for chump change when they get strung out on dope of some sort, but instead sold it to a reputable buyer who could actually preserve such a treasure, and to one who gave them a nice one time stipend bonus check, one that they didn't have the day before. Win!/Win!/Win!, for both parties, and the guitar as well, is what I say...
Nice looking guitar.I like the tuners. As you implied, they're now part of that guitars history. Buy the way, sounds like you got lucky but, in a fair way.
I got top condition 59 National full hollow body 2 pickup trapeze tailpiece for thousands les I had to take it back to my friend tell him what it was and I trade back even he took it but I had her for awhile great jazz guitar probably changed my destiny
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hey bro good find..i own a few guitars and i'm totally up to speed on their value and condition..with a bit of homework via the internet everyone can get informed..good find fair and square in my opinion..
I recently subscribed. These videos are great. Man, I wish I had the means to flip guitars like this. Or even own a few nice vintage gibsons. Maybe someday. Lol. Thanks for the content
I started 1 guitar at a time! All it takes is a couple hundred to get started!
The Trogly's Guitar Show thanks for the encouragement!
I want this guitar. I love rosewood.
I bought a 1964 Danelectro/Silvertone with the tube amp in the case for $125 and sold it for $600. The seller thought it was some cheap piece of junk. I don't feel guilty, I paid full asking price. They had other real junk guitars and were asking high used retail for them. The seller saw me about a month later and stated he should have done more research on the Silvertone because he realized it was worth more than he sold it for. He thought he was getting alot for an old weird cardboard looking guitar. Bottom line: it's just business; win some/lose some and learn from mistakes.
Bought a 74 Les Paul Custom for $350.00 in Atlanta 1994..NO regrets at ALL.......... :) It was a BLESSING from Yaweh!
I have been watching your channel for a while now, you seem to be a very honorable person. Follow your heart Trog! If you have morals following your heart will never miss lead you. Keep up the great work. I am more of a Strat and tele guy but I acquired a 78 Gibson The Paul all original and I very much enjoy playing that guitar. Since I have been watching your channel so much I am considering buying a Gibson Les Paul. I know very little about these guitars and I do not know which years to look for and what years to leave alone, quality wise. I am not looking for a vintage Les Paul or anything outrageous, I am only looking for a good quality player. I guess a 2-2.5k range. If I could find a good one for less that would be great! By watching your channel I can help myself sort through the vast sea of Les Pauls to narrow my search. If you have any tips you’d like to share I would very much appreciate it. Thanks! Harold
I have owned 2 of them also. They were made in 74 and 75 a few of the last ones had maple necks but most were mahogany. I had one of each. Both guitars were 100% original. My maple necked one I got off of Ebay for 2200.00, and sold it a few years ago for 6K. They are rare as I think total production was 52 of them between the 2 years. Rare yes, but how desirable, not nearly what they should be. There was actually a one off SOLID Brazilian (top and back) prototype that was for sale forever, and it did not sell for what was the asking price, which was reasonable for what it was.
Have you ever played a Pensa? No going back when you've had one in your hands.
Beautiful guitar! Edit: Just tell the seller about it and how it still probably was around the asking price.
That guitar sounds great!
You did ok; the seller could have IDed the guitar by the serial number, and you paid the full asking price. All parties should be happy, and the guitar is in better hands than before.
Very striking guitar indeed, Trogly! Since it is a Brazilian Rosewood, you’ll need to get a special CITES Schedule I certificate and license for this guitar to ever be permitted to leave the United States - even going to Canada or Mexico with this thing isn’t that simple. Make sure that you have all the documentation sorted on this, as without such documents the guitar could easily be seized by some overzealous CBP / TSA / DHS loon at the port (who will, no doubt, call his buddies from the Wildlife and Fisheries Service). PRS was dumb enough to have a shipment of their guitars seized and forcibly donated to some backwoods music school somewhere in rural Alaska.
I have a chainsaw case for my '68 SG and I had no idea there was a date inside. It's sort of utilitarian, so I never really bothered to inspect the inside of it that much. I just checked and mine's dated June 17th, 1980. Within a month of yours. I like the chainsaw case though. It's kind of fugly, but it holds your instrument securely and it is well-built. I also like the sure feel of the plastic latches as well. It's definitely not a pretty case, but it's a good case. Again, very utilitarian. Cool Les Paul BTW.
The Gen 2 chainsaw case with 3 plastic latches is definitely my favorite all time case. Not all of them had a date code stamped inside - that seemed to start somewhere around late '79/'80. Thanks for watching!
My dad is getting ready to retire this year and would love to pick up a Gibson Les Paul and learn how to play guitar again he hasn't touched a guitar and over 40 years do you still have it and how much are you asking
I had a similar experience. I went to the Dallas Vintage Show in 2006. I got a dealer pass, so I was there 1 day before the public. A dealer had what he thought was an early 70's Tele that he just put on display. It was a refin, no decal, so to I.D it at first glance was difficult. I could see, however, that the neck profile was typical 50's Tele. I grabbed the guitar, asked the dealer if I could remove the guard and look under the hood. Low and behold, it was a 1950 Broadcaster. Original 50's neck, body, pups, and bridge. Bought it for $1900.00 sold it for $17,500 a week later. My thought was that if a dealer doesn't put the time in to know what he or she has, it's certainly their loss.
Nice score!
The same guy also sold me a 62 Strat refin, original pups, pots, green-guard, and white case $2200.00. He was a dealer and had no idea what he was doing or what things were worth.The Strat had a 90's neck on it, but the guitar was still worth $7000.00 at the time. Sold that, too. I miss those days.
Wow, that guitar sounds really great!
That looks like a really beautiful wall hanger.
if the guitar was selling online, then the information was online and the seller has no excuse for not getting it valued. true story, a few years back a friend of mine was at a jumble sale and a middle aged woman was selling her sons stuff on. there was a guitar in a case that she couldnt get open and sold it for £25, site unseen. he got it home and bust the lock. yup, 50s strat in close to immaculate condition. did he go back and tell her? did he fuck.
tusskmusic FUCK, the feeling i got reading that! Great story dude.
having said that, its the same guy who was gifted a LP SG and thought it was a fake. he swapped it for a charvette worth about £300. the guitar was later featured in a collecters mag and sold for about 6k
tom rabbani
Yeah, while reading this I absolutely felt like I'm the guy opening the case
Once a seller uses a public marketplace like eBay or Reverb, it’s up to them to do their research when setting a price. I say buyer has no obligation to to inform seller. If you were at someone’s house and offered to buy an item for way under market because they didn’t know what they had, then you would be a scumbag.
I was at a neighborhood "block sale" and saw a guitar neck sticking out of a plastic bin. Storage auction stuff it looked to me. Pulled out what I thought was a 1970s copy of a L6S. Pickups and hardware all corroded , covered in stickers etc... Guy says I'm trying to get rid of that guitar offer me anything but $1. I say OK $5. He says OK. I figure to throw the hardware away and sell body and neck as vintage "project guitar" on ebay. I don't even look at it for several days. Control cover was duct taped on. American pots? I look at the tuners....Gibson. I felt bad but got over it a few seconds later.
Nice score! I've seen a few of those l6s copies around. Most look pretty good and still fetch a decent prices.
One man's junk is another man's treasure.
Thanks for sharing!
I have a friend who saw a junk guitar at a yard sale and asked if the guy had anything else, the guy said, "I've got an old bass in the attic" he goes and gets it and it's a vintage Gibson EB-0 bass. Asks the guy how much he wants and dude says, "I don't know? seven?" My friend says (assuming the guy wants $700) "that seems a bit high..." so the guy says, "well, I guess I could take five bucks." My friend now dumbfounded fished a $5 bill out of his pocket and handed it to the dude.
In the early 1990s I was nosing about in a store that sold mostly junk guitars, amplifiers and organs - remember it was the days of electronic pop, and guitars were deeply unfashionable. There were literally piles of Orange amp heads that the store owner was practically giving away. I noticed an SG copy in the corner with only five strings, cream pickups and looking pretty sorry for itself. I thought it looked OK as a basis for a project so I paid £60 for it, which was actually a lot of money for me at the time.
I got it home and cleaned it up, noticing that the paint and decals on the headstock were covering something underneath. Closer inspection revealed my 'copy' was actually a 1975 or 76 Gibson SG with a pair of original DiMarzio Super Distortions. A real giveaway was the Schaller 'harmonica' bridge, which was still intact but a bit corroded. The serial number is missing, so I suspect the change of identity might have been to disguise a guitar which had been stolen, or perhaps to make it less likely to be stolen. Either way, I still have it and will never sell it. I certainly didn't think of telling the store owner! I doubt he'd have cared anyway. Back then a '75 SG was almost worthless. Now, just one of the pickups would be worth £100. The other one was knackered, unfortunately.
I saw what looked like a dead mint ‘67 Princeton Reverb on the shelf of a pawn shop. Asked the guy how much he wanted. He said he hadn’t yet priced it nor tested it. He looked up the shitty DSP “Reissue”, which was $500 New. I walked out with it for $300 tax included. It is stone dead mint. Even professional traders make mistakes. It ain’t my fault!