Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra - The Latest Leaks You Need to See

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  • Опубліковано 27 гру 2024

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  • @futureitshere
    @futureitshere 12 годин тому +21

    None of this is remotely interesting. When is samsung going to update the battery, camera sensors or just simply compete with Chinese manufacturers?

  • @hazemfive
    @hazemfive 16 годин тому +40

    Love to see real red color just like s10 plus

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  16 годин тому +6

      Those aren't the real colors, though. Just conceptual

    • @12SideMac
      @12SideMac 14 годин тому +4

      That's what I'm rocking right now 💀
      I'm waiting to see the 25 lineup to see whether I get the 24 or the 25, either way it will be a huge upgrade for me

  • @T0NYMANUEL
    @T0NYMANUEL 16 годин тому +115

    That's not even blue 😂

  • @liamtaylor849
    @liamtaylor849 15 годин тому +31

    Oh so they can put the s24 ultras cameras on a slim phone, why can't they do it on a fold? Here's hoping the fold 7 isn't a lazy iterative upgrade

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому +7

      I’m hoping they’ll include the same setup on the Fold 7 as well

    • @NunoFilipe99
      @NunoFilipe99 14 годин тому

      These are new batteries tho

    • @adityak4039
      @adityak4039 3 години тому

      They already did it on the special edition of fold but sadly it's korea exclusive !

  • @TRAIT0R4
    @TRAIT0R4 10 годин тому +9

    1. that's not even blue
    2. no major update of S23 Ultra or S24 ultra users (sadly..I was looking forward to get one of those 6000MaH batteries, 1 inch camera sensor and Qi 2 wireless charging) Maybe next time :)

  • @DCcrewJZ
    @DCcrewJZ 9 годин тому +8

    Change telephoto to 50mp,
    Shoot at 24mp like the iPhone. With an option to 35mp.
    Stop the "thinner" trend and give us more batter.
    65w charging. 😒

  • @yahshaunyahu
    @yahshaunyahu 14 годин тому +8

    2:42 Samsung like "they don't care about biggerlong lasting batteries, they care about even slimmer phones" ....

  • @Leprachaun31
    @Leprachaun31 14 годин тому +9

    People are getting mixed up. The colour is SILVER blue.

    • @mshrdnt
      @mshrdnt 6 годин тому

      To be fair, a toned-down light blue could look like silver tho

  • @lorenzowashington5546
    @lorenzowashington5546 16 годин тому +21

    Samsung dropped the ball hard on thos phone. No Qi2 is wild

    • @Nyonibjr
      @Nyonibjr 15 годин тому +6

      They had to. Otherwise the S Pen wouldn't work well.

    • @GH13577
      @GH13577 12 годин тому

      Samsung hasn't confirmed anything but all leaks I've seen had said the s25u will have qi2 so I don't see why the rest won't considering they didn't upgrade to it with the 24 series because of the s pen and not wanting ultra users to compromise

    • @Carbonatedballsack
      @Carbonatedballsack 11 годин тому

      ​@Nyonibjr they can at least put it in the non spen models

    • @raphkosta
      @raphkosta 9 годин тому

      Qi2 is crap

    • @sigma_z
      @sigma_z 8 годин тому

      Don't worry, they'll include it in the s26, making you upgrade, yet again. 😂😅

  • @Ih1211
    @Ih1211 Годину тому +1

    I expected a lot from the S25 Ultra, but it is literally the same phone as my S23 Ultra, except for the new chip. Oh, yeah, I am already using a magnetic case on my S23 Ultra without any problems for the S Pen, so again, nothing new for me. It would be better for them to fix the camera bugs and not to constantly give us new options in Ai drawing, I'm not in kindergarten.

  • @vasileiosmoschopoulos9340
    @vasileiosmoschopoulos9340 13 годин тому +2

    Lets hope that the slim will not suffer from thermal issues and that the battery capacity will be at least 4.500,00 mAh and ideally 5.000,00 mAh as the ultra.

  • @LK-bz9sk
    @LK-bz9sk 14 годин тому +3

    Just got the S24U for 450 dollars off …..and upgraded from a Note 10+ so this step up is very adequate for me along with much beloved square corners

  • @ashrehman8911
    @ashrehman8911 14 годин тому +2

    I'm sold on the slim, would like to see 6mm side by side normal S25 ultra

  • @milkmangaming3325
    @milkmangaming3325 14 годин тому +9

    Man im so disappointed i was so excited for the qi2 charging, guess im sticking with my s22+

  • @KP-kateel
    @KP-kateel 14 годин тому +4

    I wish and hope they use silicon-carbon batteries in the slimmer model. That would make the slim perfect!

    • @wouter.d.h.
      @wouter.d.h. 14 годин тому

      Not happening ,why would they use it there and not on the Ultra

    • @KP-kateel
      @KP-kateel 13 годин тому

      Then it would be just another S25 + with slimmer body.

  • @SilvioManfredDante
    @SilvioManfredDante 14 годин тому +10

    TM Roh is the worst thing to happen to the Samsung Mobile Division.

  • @andregarrido4892
    @andregarrido4892 16 годин тому +4

    Are there any updates on the screen technology? What I am looking for is more resilience for the green line issue / durability... (just recently got this issue in my S21U 😢)

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому +4

      Ah, I’ve had that green line issue on my S20 Ultra, Note 20 Ultra, and even the S22 Ultra too! Samsung claimed it was due to a faulty software update, which was a bummer. Thankfully, newer devices seem to have fixed that issue, so no problems with the latest models.

    • @racer082
      @racer082 7 годин тому +1

      After the s21 pink/green vertical line debacle, really need to think 10x before throwing few thousand dollars on sams phones. Soo much money for a phone that doesnt last longer than a year. And probems that sams wont admit its their fault.

  • @robertwolfgan
    @robertwolfgan 16 годин тому +4

    Thank you for a other good video Sal. And I hope that by the time we get S26 or 27U they're really different and worth a true upgrade, you know, the one that feels extreme like the jump from PS2 to PS3. Or PS3 to PS5 haha.

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  16 годин тому +1

      Thanks for watching! 😊 I totally get what you mean-those extreme upgrades are always exciting.

  • @StephenJohn1x
    @StephenJohn1x 15 годин тому +5

    Bring the gold color back.

  • @aerojcordero
    @aerojcordero 7 годин тому +1

    Looks like I'll be keeping my s22u another year. The slim is tempting though

  • @emmancampo159
    @emmancampo159 16 годин тому +1

    Hey Sal, have you seen the dbrand cases for s25 ultra? they also shows the back of the phone with their ghost case on.

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому +1

      It's just a render made by them, not an official render or image.

  • @TonyhatesLego11031people
    @TonyhatesLego11031people 11 годин тому +2

    Y'all need to stop crying about the color options 🤦
    1. A majority of users put a case on their phones anyways.
    2. Buy a Dbrand skin if you wanna change the color of the phone

    • @life5161
      @life5161 2 години тому

      Yeah it's pretty dumb. I don't think a phone's color has ever been a priority.

  • @SamuelKiriama
    @SamuelKiriama 15 годин тому +2

    Hey Sal, can you predict the dxomark of the S25U?

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому +3

      DxOMark is a joke!

    • @SamuelKiriama
      @SamuelKiriama 15 годин тому +2

      @@TechTalkTV I believe this time round it'll be the one of the best camera phone if not the best

    • @Greyhound32
      @Greyhound32 14 годин тому +1

      ​@@TechTalkTV true

  • @stryfespoint304
    @stryfespoint304 16 годин тому +1

    Not sweating the colors, gonna be mixed by launch time and of course, offer exclusive choices online meanwhile, S25 slim looking real nice but, ready for the ultra & great work as always.

  • @vietbodian86
    @vietbodian86 4 години тому

    What was that clear case with the black borders? I want to buy one

  • @DoozyyTV
    @DoozyyTV 14 годин тому

    Usually third party cases only interfere when the magnet is attached to something, I wonder if samsung has that same issue

  • @edgartokman4898
    @edgartokman4898 15 годин тому +1

    Beautiful phone this is the one to get

  • @SICARIOx7
    @SICARIOx7 14 годин тому +1

    Why not bring a red color for once on the flaship

  • @attika89
    @attika89 11 годин тому

    Been using a 3rd party magnetic ring case for my S22 U for years now. The case itslef doesn't mess with the Spen, but when it's on a megnetic stand it doesn't reconnect to the pen, and also the pen doesn't work on the screen while on the stand. Without the magnetic stand, and just the ring case on, it's been working fine.

  • @johnalello9233
    @johnalello9233 15 годин тому +4

    More like pastel blue. Samsung needs to lower the cost $ 800 for the 25 ultra these phones are over-priced!

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому +2

      To be honest, I'll be happy even if they keep the price the same

    • @HomiebeaR_
      @HomiebeaR_ 14 годин тому

      800 dollars for the S25 ultra? Lol keep dreaming

  • @ryu2006
    @ryu2006 52 хвилини тому

    Is this an upgrade? Whats about Ui animation, camera sensors changes since 23u, battery, video capabilities,better photos especially shutter speed, colours etc?

  • @TailySplash
    @TailySplash 16 годин тому +3

    S26 ultra video please? There's already rumors about that.

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  16 годин тому +3

      About the chip? Way too soon

    • @TailySplash
      @TailySplash 16 годин тому +2

      @TechTalkTV no I meant the Snapdragon 8 Elite 2 for galaxy S26 ultra.

    • @sherrimoquin5553
      @sherrimoquin5553 5 годин тому

      @TailySplashdon’t go ahead of yourself and the s26 is not out yet

  • @TornadoesGaming234YTB
    @TornadoesGaming234YTB 3 години тому +1

    The one thing about S25 Slim is it still going to have the 100X Zoom like S25 Ultra or is it going to be 50X like they did with Note 20 Ultra

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  3 години тому

      If I were to guess, it could be somewhere around 50X

  • @supernotnatural
    @supernotnatural 15 годин тому +2

    Samsung is like Tesla. Very useful, but value depreciation is so big that it's never makes sense to buy it.

    • @Zb07
      @Zb07 10 годин тому

      Go buy gold,not phone

  • @legendary896
    @legendary896 10 годин тому +4

    Am I color blind or what?
    Not even close to blue it is out of the blue blue😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @BretMuckdogs
    @BretMuckdogs 15 годин тому

    Thank you for this video.

  • @CaptainBearPants
    @CaptainBearPants 7 годин тому +1

    I love the green

  • @txturbo930
    @txturbo930 15 годин тому +8

    Don't like the colors offered. Going black or raw Ti. No wireless charging......Booo! Ultra is not ultra unless it has all the best features. Why does Samsung continue to do this. Oh We honestly know planned obsolescence! Thanks for the update Sal, Keep up the good work in 2025!

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому +2

      Appreciate the support, and I feel you on the color choices and wireless charging-it’s definitely frustrating when 'Ultra' doesn’t deliver all the top-tier features. Thanks for watching!

    • @physics77guy
      @physics77guy 12 годин тому +1

      Just go for Samsung special colors like I do

  • @weekendwarrior8179
    @weekendwarrior8179 15 годин тому +1

    That blue looks like my blue s24u.... It's nice though.

  • @robertobernardez3923
    @robertobernardez3923 4 години тому

    The spigen case leak looks awesome!😎
    It aint blue.😄

  • @pixelgaming7261
    @pixelgaming7261 14 годин тому +1

    The S25 Slim will make the iPhone 17 Air look like a toy - I mean, one camera, one speaker (the earpiece), tiny battery? Like c'mon, Apple is more stagnant than Samsung.

  • @carlosovni7100
    @carlosovni7100 15 годин тому +2

    If you want a better idea of the S25 Ultra Blue, look the images of the Galaxy S7 Edge in blue...obviously

  • @Templar2300
    @Templar2300 6 годин тому +1

    Samsung must have used a terrible monitor if they think that's blue.

  • @sportyhuntley8914
    @sportyhuntley8914 5 годин тому +1

    I MISS AURORA COLORS!

  • @mrmrsmiyao6688
    @mrmrsmiyao6688 5 годин тому

    but if we use a case like that. s pen doesn't function properly. i am facing it

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  3 години тому

      Exactly, but if Samsung is releasing a case like this themselves, they’ve likely taken steps to address that issue.

  • @SimplestUsername
    @SimplestUsername 7 годин тому

    I use a magsafe case from Casehas with my s22 Ultra. Best case I've ever owned.
    Who cares about built-in magnets when you have a great case.

  • @maheshjanaranjana9200
    @maheshjanaranjana9200 16 годин тому +1

    Hi Sal,
    Thanks for the lattest updates about the S25 Ultra. I'm always excited to watch your video. In my opinion S25 Ultra didn't have that much of update. Because not worthy upgrades for the average human. So, i would like to hear any updates regarding S26 Ultra?
    Thanks for the always deliver good content 🙌👏
    Cheers! 👏🙌🔥

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому +1

      Thanks for watching! Let's see what S26 has in store for us.

  • @wall57805
    @wall57805 15 годин тому +3

    I like the color. It represent the death of flagships phones year of year

  • @michigantoga
    @michigantoga 15 годин тому +1

    Black it even black on the S24 Ultra, it's more of a gunmetal

  • @mohd.azeemuddin1095
    @mohd.azeemuddin1095 14 годин тому

    Can anybody explain why samsung is not going for magnets for wireless charging magsafe like accessories ?

    • @Oystein87
      @Oystein87 14 годин тому

      For me it's a bonus since I would not want magnets. There are cases and magnetic sticker rings for those who absolutely want that stuff.
      And since litteraly the ONLY "new" (actually very old) thing QI 2 offer is the magnets so yeah.. What a sad "upgrade"😂 Even my 2016 Galaxy Gear S3 Frontier has a magnetic wireless charger. It's OLD "tech" ising magnets on wireless charging etc but people makes it sound new because of Qi 2 and Apple🙈

    • @BREEZ3_shorts
      @BREEZ3_shorts 13 годин тому

      It will affect the spen

    • @Oystein87
      @Oystein87 12 годин тому

      @BREEZ3_shorts ?

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  3 години тому

      The S Pen operates using electromagnetic induction, which doesn’t pair well with magnets due to potential interference.

  • @HulkSmash315
    @HulkSmash315 12 годин тому +1

    All those ugly cameras look like some ugly bug eyes.Just messed up.What happened to the smooth designs of old?

  • @MML66
    @MML66 13 годин тому

    I hope you get a dark black color on the S series, with shiny titanium edges, and not like the black on the A series. It would be amazing.
    ‏‪0:21‬‏ There is something wrong with my eyes or my phone screen, it is not blue in any way

  • @martintik8565
    @martintik8565 11 годин тому +1

    You all do realize if Samsung did everything that everyone wanted they would go broke

  • @ImTheHenster
    @ImTheHenster 14 годин тому

    I just got the fold six and I kind of miss my s series lol

  • @12SideMac
    @12SideMac 14 годин тому +1

    That colour scheme isn't even blue that's more like a grey colour
    The 25 lineup (especially the ultra) should have at least 70w charging cause chinese brands have had 120w for a while so anything under 70w charging is disappointing
    The camera specs are insane as usual
    As for the lineups I'm interested to see the difference between the slim & the ultra
    How the s25 ultra turns out will determine what phone i get next since I'm due for an upgrade

    • @BREEZ3_shorts
      @BREEZ3_shorts 13 годин тому +1

      That's why chinese phones battery longevity is bad

  • @pritishpatil7659
    @pritishpatil7659 4 години тому

    6500 mah battery? 100W charging?

  • @GH13577
    @GH13577 12 годин тому

    On color picker it has more green value than blue and more blue than red... so this is green? Or more likely just SUPER GRAY blue

  • @MOON-Hkr
    @MOON-Hkr 13 годин тому

    Bro will never talk about others great flagship available in the market other than Samsung. Really Samsung centric tech talk . 😅

  • @flicka25
    @flicka25 5 годин тому

    I think Samsung are colourblind lol. BUT I am really hyped for the S25 Slim.

  • @stephencooper3583
    @stephencooper3583 6 годин тому

    Before watching... I'm gonna guess slightly faster chip, slightly better camera, etc. Incremental improvements, but nothing groundbreaking. Nothing against Samsung... it's just where the phone industry is headed these days. Phones have matured... there is only so much more you can cram into them.

  • @Liam_Kelly08
    @Liam_Kelly08 3 години тому

    Get rid of the spen, keep the thickness of the phone and give us a bigger battery

  • @Sp06
    @Sp06 13 годин тому

    It's blue like something you'd see in a funeral suit

  • @Dilstar22
    @Dilstar22 14 годин тому +1

    Wireless is so overrated. Cable is always fast and much more efficient to use.

    • @RedAmazing
      @RedAmazing 9 годин тому

      I need wireless charging so I can use a phone cooler with Qi2 wireless charging. It provides more efficient and comfortable gaming.

    • @Dilstar22
      @Dilstar22 9 годин тому

      @RedAmazing but people hype wireless charging for general purpose which is wrong. Your requirements is fine and legit 👍🏽 but the norm totally overrated

  • @YuckLitoris
    @YuckLitoris 16 годин тому

    TechTalk, if you're to guess, will the slim be more or less expensive than the ultra?

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому

      Since they’re only producing 3 million units, it’ll take cost them more to manufacture. Still, I’m expecting the price to be slightly less than the Ultra, around $1,100 or $1,200.

  • @JimboJones99
    @JimboJones99 2 години тому

    They don’t do “real” colours anymore because it costs too much to produce. That’s why it’s always ‘muted’ colours these days with both Samsung and Apple.

  • @Christian1674
    @Christian1674 15 годин тому

    Wow 😲

  • @giojo01
    @giojo01 16 годин тому +2

    Hi Sal!

  • @Ian-ty6zh
    @Ian-ty6zh 8 годин тому

    Gray = Blue 🤝

  • @anmolsharma4049
    @anmolsharma4049 2 години тому

    No latest battery tech
    No latest display tech
    No latest wireless tech
    That ain't a flagship

  • @mrmiralg
    @mrmiralg 10 годин тому

    Who are the ppl asking for a slim version of an already slim phone? I feel like most ppl are asking for a THICKER device with a bigger battery. My s23 ultra is already slim, I wouldn't want it slimmer lol .I would however, like a bigger battery or expandable storage.

  • @eckofame
    @eckofame 15 годин тому +1

    Samsung doesn't love the customer's

  • @mrkring1526
    @mrkring1526 10 годин тому

    The reliable leaker you mentioned for the slim was one that was debunked for qi2 charging 😂

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  3 години тому

      No, I wasn’t talking about that person. He mentioned Meritz Securities, and I was referring to them.

  • @franciscoayon9470
    @franciscoayon9470 15 годин тому

    Yeah yeah,the best update would be samsung doing better woth optimization with games and apps

  • @luislandino9247
    @luislandino9247 Годину тому

    I have 2 jobs and go to school I don't have time to use my phone yet alone buy a new phone to use lol

  • @krisfortnite
    @krisfortnite 16 годин тому +3

    There are some pictures of s25 ultra colors on Reddit and the blue there is dark, I dont know if they are real though.

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому +1

      They are just fan made. Not true at all

    • @krisfortnite
      @krisfortnite 15 годин тому +1

      @@TechTalkTV oh man I wanted a dark blue phone, I guess I will get the black one then

  • @shreerajkhare3352
    @shreerajkhare3352 4 години тому

    Downgrades after downgrades..
    Keep on making lighter and slimmer when you don’t have anything left on the phone…

  • @Revon-Feuer
    @Revon-Feuer 8 годин тому

    They might as well not even release these...

  • @cenation7mjc
    @cenation7mjc 12 годин тому

    Why is the slim having a better 3rd camera than the ultra

  • @OffTom5783
    @OffTom5783 8 годин тому

    My S23 Ultra is blue. I don't really like the color but it was cheaper to buy, so...

  • @Nyonibjr
    @Nyonibjr 15 годин тому

    Is it me or the s25 slim is getting too good. I bet it'll start at 1.3K

  • @DesertRunner602
    @DesertRunner602 9 годин тому +1

    Just about every Samsung Ultra phone color is boring. They have poor color choices.

  • @romariojohnson2129
    @romariojohnson2129 16 годин тому

    Hi sal, Trey here

  • @MrBOXA01
    @MrBOXA01 12 годин тому

    I honestly don't give a damn about colours because I ALWAYS put a cover on so it's so biggie for me. What I am actually interested in is the camera specs. It looks like the S25 ultra is getting very minimal upgrades with only the ultra wide and the rest is exactly the same. I'm. quite disappointed.
    Also the same 5000ma battery
    Same 12mp selfie
    Same charging speed 45w
    Same M13 panel
    What is Samsung doing?

  • @NEILANIL1
    @NEILANIL1 5 годин тому

    Fail. The blue of z fold 6 was awesome. I'm sticking with z fold 6 for now.

  • @macrochipped
    @macrochipped 11 годин тому

    I thought it was silverblue anyway.

  • @thetruesimplegrid
    @thetruesimplegrid 16 годин тому +5

    So it’s like the iPhone 15 blue 💀. I like it but it’s better to call it white at this point 😭.

  • @Flyinpeacock13
    @Flyinpeacock13 8 годин тому

    If there is no red no orange or at least a nice blue I'm out done with black grey and white

  • @virattripathi14
    @virattripathi14 6 годин тому

    can i have an ultra but smaller, please 🙏

  • @mariokartfan8784
    @mariokartfan8784 15 годин тому +1

    Hi Sal 👋
    Have a Great Weekend :)

    • @TechTalkTV
      @TechTalkTV  15 годин тому

      Hope you have a good one!

  • @timothy4131
    @timothy4131 13 годин тому

    Samsung is starting to imitate or has been imitating Apple they keep putting out new phone after new phone with only slight adjustments nothing groundbreaking

  • @bankaimaster999
    @bankaimaster999 14 годин тому +1

    Proper MagSafe >>>>>>>> instead of S25 Slim ....
    I think a majority of people would have preferred Samsung to invest more money and time into a proper MagSafe built into the phone rather than a thinner phone. The S25 slim is just an unnecessary grift to try and one-up Apple before they release their Air version. Samsung yet again copies from Apple instead of innovating like they used to, and no, the S25 Slim isn't anything innovative by general consumer standards.

  • @aliasgharkalhoro
    @aliasgharkalhoro 16 годин тому

    Marhabba

  • @smartphonefan5226
    @smartphonefan5226 15 годин тому +2

    If the slim is done correctly, I could see it replacing the plus model in the future.

    • @tullo5564
      @tullo5564 15 годин тому +3

      Majority of the users want a bigger battery, meaning increased battery capacity.

    • @smartphonefan5226
      @smartphonefan5226 7 годин тому

      ​@@tullo5564That is true.

    • @smartphonefan5226
      @smartphonefan5226 5 годин тому

      ​@@tullo5564That is true.

  • @prashathhs5845
    @prashathhs5845 10 годин тому

    No major Updates since s23 ultra

  • @wethepeoplegh
    @wethepeoplegh 14 годин тому

    That is not blue!

  • @racer082
    @racer082 7 годин тому

    After the s21 pink/green vertical line debacle, really need to think 10x before throwing few thousand dollars on sams phones. Soo much money for a phone that doesnt last longer than a year. And probems that sams wont admit its their fault.

  • @shadowwarrior7338
    @shadowwarrior7338 11 хвилин тому

    It's a another S24 U

  • @fouziachoudhary-dp7dz
    @fouziachoudhary-dp7dz 12 годин тому

    Wowwww… am excited (not) bruh I am not switching until there is a phone better than the lg wing

  • @Sportloveralways
    @Sportloveralways 15 годин тому

    Vivo x200 pro killing s25 ultra in camera department😂😂 meanwhile samsung is busy with iphone 🤣🤣😅

  • @royakash96
    @royakash96 12 годин тому

    Really want silicon battery 6000mh
    50mp 3x
    1inch main sensor.
    But nothing will happen within few years
    Still i will buy Samsung s25u.
    Because im used with Samsung from last 10years.
    But honestly its become boring year by year.
    Same spec
    Same design