Beginner’s guide to jungling - Onmyoji Arena S14
Вставка
- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Whether you are an entirely new player or not, if you are that person who types “I can’t jg” in draft, picks the second mage/support when your team needs a jungler, goes 0-10 Inugami to demonstrate that you really cannot jungle, - I have made this guide for YOU. I give you all the basic macro knowledge here, explain my complete thought process and show you in practice how to jungle with a very easy shiki EVERYONE gets for free. A support main myself, I struggled for a long time with awful junglers in my ranked and cas games. When I learnt to jungle myself and began filling in this role when necessary, my seasonal winrate in diamond ranked games raised from 50-55% to 70%+.
I cannot guarantee that the strategy I give you here will be as viable in high elo, but watching this video will definitely improve your understanding of the role, and the tips I give here work very well in low-to-mid elo ranked and casual games.
By the way, if you are a jungle main and can give more tips, please, do so in the comments. Also, consider creating an advanced guide to jungling or an alternative guide to jungling - we need a lot of educational content on this game if we want the newcomers to stay here and improve. We can increase the game population and improve the gameplay quality for everyone only if we share knowledge and help new (and old) players to improve.
#onmyojiarena #jungle #guide
Jungler Iba is not the best at mob clearing, but he is among the best in terms of PVP-focused jungler. Aggressively engaging in PVP early and gaining some kills is the best way to utilize him. Especially since the enemy jungler is a ninja, you can target her whenever possible, since samurai possess an advantage over ninja in 1v1 head-on fight. The end result of such confrontation usually ends in the samurai's victory. Be more proactive at first so that you can gauge your enemy's ability early on. A jungler's job begins even before the game begins after all.
4:40 that itsu was prob only there to farm mobs. the over-focused-on-farming type.
5:06 You should have gotten away from the Kraken while the wave is ongoing since you're not at full hp.
5:31 This use of the Kraken flag is NG. The Kraken flag can last for around 2 - 3 minutes, so carrying it around to wait for the best chance is better IMO.
6:22 True lol. I often get underleveled since I get too focused on running around doing "errands". Getting gold from kills tho, can nullify the disadvantage to a certain extent and hasten your farming process.
6:33 As someone that had been helped by sougenbi's buff, I disagree. Killing sougenbi not only gives you access to its mask, but it also gives your teammates a hp regen buff that increases the lower the current hp of the shikigami is.
7:02 The distance of attack is too far.
7:29 Waiting in the bush for a bit longer won't hurt. That was too rushed
9:39 That itsu can rush you in 1 combo if the user is a bit more confident. Don't be overconfident.
9:58 Why not? Iba can solo push just fine. So long as they didn't misstep, having them in the mid lane can serve as both a distraction and an attack if the chance arrives. Solo pushing in this situation will put your enemy in a difficult situation since they both need to hold the pressure in the mid lane AND send someone that can hold of Iba.
10:06 This is a bad time to push since your teammates are retreating.
10:57 True. That hp level you have all the time is too low for comfort. You can't respond properly to an emergency with that much hp (not without dying that is, 11:10).
11:35 Hardly. Tesso had been in bot lane since 10:06 and only finish the tower at 11:20. It would've taken around 10-15 secs to get from bot lane if he go in a straight line (which is risky since Shiro mujou's position is unknown from their perspective). And even if they do go for the Orochi, they would need around 30 secs to secure it, assuming the mage and ADC are both damaging it to the best of their ability. That's enough time for Yuki douji to arrive on Orochi based on your vid (11:52). From there, it's whoever has the best mechanic. They DO have the chance to get Orochi, but the time is not enough to do so reliably.
12:52 This is the best time to start doing Orochi. Had your ADC survive...
13:07 It is, but you force it too much. Too much so that you are out of sync with your teammates. Your teammates do have a problem, but that is also strength if used properly. Rather than going for Orochi, clearing the top lane is also a viable option.
14:45 Memeji lmao
16:34 This is hard to judge. Yuki douji wants to strike the ADC while you want to secure the Orochi. Both are the way to win with their own advantages and disadvantages. There is a chance that by joining the fight, you can kill tesso, thus making the enemy left with only Shuten and Hotaru, which can be bullied from afar by your Shiro mujou and youko. From there can either push or go to Orochi (in this match case, pushing is more in line with your teammates' code of action)
17:33 Welcome to the daily suffering of a jungler
17:58 If you use kyuumei Neko, inugami, yoto hime, or even chin as a jungler, you can solo Orochi with the right item, relieving you from the need to rely on teammates for jungling.
18:16 That's still cute. I've seen and even do worse.
18:25 Drama incoming. Where's my popcorn?
19:28 Agreed. Her target is youko tho, not nen.
19:59 Be more patience.
21:48 You need to change your jungler then. Iba is incompatible with your playstyle.
21:55 I use the term "Flow Control" since what I do as a jungler is closer to "controlling" the "flow" of the battlefield. This relates with the ability "Flow reading", which is to "read" the "flow" to [predict] the near future.
Overall, thanks for the video. As a tutorial video into jungling, this has my passing mark.
Oh my gosh, thank you for reviewing this tutorial thoroughly! I am pinning your comment so that everyone can learn more from it! Are you a pro jungler player? Your analysis is really detailed. As you can say from my channel, I’m a support main player who learnt the basics of jungling on my own and shared whatever little knowledge I have bc so many players have none. Could you please recommend me more junglers that would fit my style? I am not strong microwise; I usually play Ibaraki, Shishio, Kyonshi Imoto jungle - simple and tanky ones, also mobile.
I'm just a veteran that like to do research 😊.
I play Yoto jungler main, almost 700 matches experience iirc, though I play mostly on casual. Always solo queue. Win rate is not that great, just 67%. I can do other role quite well, so I consider myself an all-rounder as well. I'm in Asia server, Indonesia branch.
Regarding a jungler that would fit your style, let me watch your recent videos first.
@@Houkashorai I haven’t played OA for a month already after getting to Challenger as a support main. Tried playing some cas with other roles but felt like need a break from the game for now. Will definitely play again after the season restarts.
@@Houkashorai Yoto is such a well-designed shiki btw! 700 matches - much respect to you! People must be scared to come across your Yoto hehe
@@Kyokka If I play her right, yes. But personally I like to be as low key as possible. Doing your job as a jungler is easier if the enemy underestimate or do not know about you, after all.
Just wow! I watched the entire video and learnt quite a few things that probably even Master-tier players don't know! Also, I looked at your build and saw you built that team magic resistance robe as your last item xDDDDD Kyokka, you really are a support main first of all xDD But it's not necessarily a bad thing xD
Thank you for your kind words, Snow 🦊
About the mres team buff - I needed some magic resistance for myself, and normally I would opt for Sanzu River Lantern of course. But since we had a troll support without any team buffs in their build, I decided that I will stay a true team player till the end and bought this robe instead so that I can help my carries more.
@@Kyokka That's quite creative :0 Good job!
16:32 when the entire enemy team is chasing your top laner bot side we take orochi
Everything was spot on Kyokka. Thank you
Well, jungle priorities are jg priorities xD Thanks :)
Impressive guide very indepth and you went very basic with the tips and tutorial on how to handle the jungle along with other combat to laning which was easy to understand and simple in a way newbies like me do not get overwhelmed with the cluster of ingame acronyms and slangs that are hard to understand, thankss I'll try to apply it!
Thank you for your kind words and I’m glad to help you. But pls also look for newer jungle guides on YT, as this was recorded almost 3 seasons ago. Jungle has been reworked recently, and some of this info is outdated. I’m in hiatus now and cannot make a newer guide yet.
nice jungling. i like how details every explanations are. thanks for the guide definitely trying this with yoto
Thank you! However, pls mind that the map here is outdated, and you should also check the new jungling guide by Stan (look up “Stan jungling guide Onmyoji Arena) to understand the new objectives and their priority. Also, pls check LF.Cold’s YT channel - though everything is in Chinese there, it’s definitely worth finding a Yoto Hime jungling video by him there to check how he does it as he is the best jungler and Yoto player in the world. Also, I recommend finding Yoto Hime jungle gameplay by JumpstarOA - he is a Challenger player from Asia who mains top and jungle, he can also answer your questions about Yoto specifically in English.
hii. im here now 😆.
few questions:
1. what does overextending mean?
2. what do you mean by “daruma grants vision”?. what do we not see before taking daruma?
3. what is a gank?
1. Overextending means going too deep into the enemies’ territory (it’s kinda marked by turrets standing, they grant vision). If you overextend, you are risking your life and forgetting of your goals like clearing the waves and farming.
2. Did you notice the mini-map in the upper left corner of your match interface? You should always keep an eye on it when playing. Sometimes you can notice enemies appearing there when you still cannot see them on your screen. That happens if you have vision in that area. Vision is provided by your turrets, your minions and darumas if your team kills them. The area around darumas is small. But if for example you are playing mid and your jungler takes the daruma topside from mid, you don’t need to check the topside bushes to know if the enemy jungler or top is ganking you. If they pass the daruma area, you will notice them on the mini-map, so you can get prepared and recall or move under your turret/closer to bot side in that case.
3. Ganking is one of basic mechanics in all moba games. A gank is when an enemy hides somewhere to suddenly attack you. Ganking is junglers’ work first of all, but midlaner should also gank side lanes to help them (especially bot). Basically, the ganker wants to kill the enemies in a 2v1 or 3v2 situation or even 1v1 if they feel stronger or have some abilities to control you. You should prevent ganks by watching the mini-map - this is support’s job first of all. You should ping the mini-map if you notice the enemy jungler/midlaner heading to your laners to inform them about the danger. I definitely should make a video about communication with your teammates.
Thank you for this! I’m really bad at jg so I’m trying to learn more about it, as I usually play support, mid/adc. Hopefully I’ll get better at jg with practice. Thank you again!!
I hope this can help you, but you have probably noticed while watching that there are different-looking monsters now. I made this guide 3 seasons ago, but the jungle has been changed since then. The basic principles I described here remain the same, but there are some significant changes now. I recommend you watching Stan’s jungle guide (also on UA-cam) after mine to see the differences. For example, the jg route really prioritizes darumas now because they grant more money.
@@Kyokka yup! I saw Stan’s video right before yours, and I’ve learned that the River darumas take priority. Still, it’s quite helpful. Also I first started playing in season 14, so I remember how the jg was like before. Thank you for the quick reply and tips! Also if I may, can I add you on OA?
@@kazezeze Glad to help you! You can add me if you are on one of World servers - EU, NA, SA. Otherwise, my account won’t be found - they have a separate database for Asia.
There some of this I know already but there are alot of tips that I need to take in mind. Thank you for the informative content. TBH, where have you been kyokka?
Thank you for the feedback! I’m glad I could be helpful.
I couldn’t play all summer bc of constant disconnects caused by metal constructions put on my house walls: the walls were just being repainted, but municipal workers in my city are very laid-back and not very professional, so repainting one 4-storey building took them 3 months 🙈😭 So I just couldn’t play. And right now, I’m a bit busy in real life (my dad is in the hospital, so I need to help my mother more). Also, not getting enough matches in the end of the season on my low-populated server to create more content. I really really hope to be much more active when the season resets. Thanks for caring ☺️
@@Kyokka No worries this is so useful for people who would explore jungling. Since in the higher rank, Role adjusting is one of the things that may affect the match. It is really a disadvantage if you only knew one role.
i started Jungling with Yamakaze and Itsumade.
I still get left behind in Leveling which is what makes me confused
I’m sorry, mate. This guide is outdated. They changed the jungle last season, when I wasn’t playing. I’m still trying to catch up on the role myself since then. You should try Stan’s jungling guide (look it up here on YT). It has all the updated information. But I myself cannot jungle by the rules in his guide somehow. I feel as lost as a newbie for now. I promise to re-create the guide once I figure it out myself.
Nice content learned a lot I have questions tho trying to go up in ranked low tier players do this a lot and disrupts jungling. Example 2 enemy mages mid harassing mid lane or enemy jungler never leaving top lane assisting in top or bottom lane with support, adc and jungle. And allies spamming you to assist and you’re freakin lvl 3!!! What should I do in such scenarios?
Since your farm in lane gets reduced due to Subdue, you cannot spend too much time assisting in lane. If the enemies have no jungler at all or have a troll/nub jungler, try to assist in lanes a little, but also keep an eye on objective timers and farm your jungle near the lanes as much as possible. Ignore secondary objectives, but try to do at least 2 Krakens. Also, if one of your lanes is winning, help them take down the turret and ask them to assist other lanes too so that you can have time to farm jungle. However, if the enemies seem to have a proper jungler, even if one of your lanes is constantly 1v2, prioritize your jg farm and jg goals. If any lane has 2 players on one side and none of them has dice (the initial support item to share exp with your lane partner), they will be robbing each other very soon and will both go underfarmed, or at least one of them will start feeding and might even tilt and go afk. So, 2 mages against your one mage is a temporary disaster and eventually will turn to your advantage.
@@Kyokka awesome tx for the pointer much appreciated hope to see more on your content! Tc and tx
@@Saren.7 hope this helps you! ☺️
Вот у меня вопрос, как они сделали так, что бы было без штуки управления, ну короче как в доте
Хотела бы понять твой вопрос, но не понимаю - в Доту не играла. Попробуй переформулировать :)
can u do another on the new jungling? theres been a lot of changes n i cant get used to it sadly.
I need to return to playing this game for that first. I don’t think I’ll be able to recreate the guide any time soon, sadly. Maybe in a few months.
@@Kyokka its alright! no rush no need!
What is juggling and what are the effects pls answer
Wow🙀
Hi?
can you make an item guide plss?
Hi Jhon, I’ve been thinking about it for quite a long time. It’s a bit hard to make one just on phone. I am buying a pc in September, maybe after that. Also, I will explain the changes to supp items after I start playing OA again, currently on hiatus.
@@Kyokka thanks so much ive been in the game for like 2 months and i don't understand how item works the top players are the one helping me with builds
@@jhonmailaguillon6861 Use the top players’ builds for now. To understand how they work, start with reading their descriptions carefully. Is this your first moba or you can compare this game to some other? There are usually some typical items, that are similar in many mobile mobas.
@@Kyokka i played other moba like lol, ml, aov etc
@@jhonmailaguillon6861 if you don’t understand some specific items, I can try explaining them to you. Also, people on subreddit are usually very helpful with this.
Damn I'm set on playing sucky Kidomaru just because hes cool but even jungling doesnt go well, should I still keep to my role in jungling anyways or just try to assist my team anywhere I can see, although that's just me sending out my demons. The other skills I'll save for jungling since I'll die trying to use them on players.
I strongly suggest that you find another shiki you can both play well and enjoy aesthetically. I find Kido difficult to use, plus he is much better as an adc than a jungler (also, if you play him in lane, you’ll probably learn his micro sooner than in jungle). If you like jungling, please start with a more helpful shiki, whose kit allows you to gank well and with whom you won’t be feeding.
@@Kyokka oh wait what's an adc? But thanks for the advice, I didnt realize hed be better elsewhere, and as I'm trying out new shiki I'll see which ones I'll use more.
ADC is attack damage carry, in other words, a marksman because they deal more damage with basic attacks than with their abilities. Marksmen are squishy characters who need to position carefully taking in account their own range and the enemies’ ranges so that they deal damage and don’t die. The most popular adc in this game, in higher tiers, are Youko, Futakuchi, Nekomata, Tesso, Enma, Suzuka, Miketsu. The easiest marksmen for a new player to learn are Chin, Hakuro, Kanko, Youko. Try playing all of them and find out whether you are naturally good with this class or not. The preferable position for a marksman shiki is botlane, where you go together with a Support shiki and fight there 2v2. If you are new to mobas, the role might be not very easy to you. Probably the easiest roles for a new player are mid and top. But you should play mages for mid and Samurais or tanks for top, not adc.
@@Kyokka thanks so much man!!!
@@absoluteballs you are welcome! Ask me anything, I’ll try to help
This Video is useless to a beginner I still have no idea about anything other than kill monsters. Ur captions are going way too fast and ur not explaining anything at all... a beginner has no clue what u are even saying bruh
Sad about your experience. This jg guide is partially outdated now, as the map and monsters changed since then. You should check Stan’s jg guide (Stan Gaming Channel).
@@Kyokka I slowed the video down in the settings lol. I’m learning this game for my daughter. Your tips helped a lot 👍🏾
@@tanishahmitcheal30 ty for your feedback! Feel free to ask any questions, I’ll do my best to find the answers ❤️ It is so sweet that parents and children play together ☺️