This is awesome. Seriously, this is really good. When I was 14 I was reading Dirt Rider and this article was talking about why are you crashing offroad so much. The article (this was the mid 80's) had a drawn out picture and a rider at different points, they said that your eyes should be ahead, looking at points and aiming for those. Not aiming over the tire. I started using this and crashes went way down... I grew up constantly cross-country skiing from 3 years old, and for some dumb reason I never clicked this over to motorcycles. I had coaches from early on, don't look at your feet, don't look at the tips of your skis, focus down the trail, of course it clicked in, not as though I was ignoring them but ya. In aviation, where you're looking is where you end up too, target fixation is what I was taught it was called. In WW2 pilots would slam into ships they were bombing cause they got so focused on the target they'd forget to pull up, or too late.
Hallo, ... I'm Ricardo from Switzerland. Thank you very much for your important and professional advice. One question: Kontext - Mountain ( slow turns) - Uphill - BMW S1000RR Is Trail breaking possibile oder necessary? Thank you very much for your support. All the best Ricardo
2 related questions. If you don't know the corner is it safer to post apex the corner? And there is a common rule of thumb that you should be able to stop on the road you can see (staying on your own side of the road) - post apexing gives you further stopping distance, compared to the tighter apex you're recommending?
Seeing how much brake pressure i could carry at lean was a revelation. Obviously you don't want to go crazy but you'd be surprised. Mistake most riders make is being too abrupt
I've watched the entire thing on Sayian's channel. So much for anyone to learn from that footage, super great coaching Greg, makes me wish I lived in the US so I could come and learn from you. 👍
Adding in the Champ School footage really brought it into perspective-funny because the algo is now feeding me champ school videos. I was just watching their “Radius = MPH” video…brilliant work.
Is using footage of long blind corners at the start really a good idea? You can't even do your "point # 1", as you can't see the apex from tip in. Trail brake -- sure. Acceleration is going to be late, because you can't see your exit yet. Nice video - beautiful for the track just not for blind corners. See some of the comments asking how to do this in the mountains. Probably would be good to emphasise the correct context for all this, as the comments suggest it is not obvious to everyone.
It's kinda like a wave thing with your right hand, brake roll off, trail fingers releasing crack little with your palm, on again. Hard to explain, but it becomes muscle memory. Or a snake. Same same. It becomes fluid, and you can always mix it up if something is going on in the middle as long as there is not upsetting the geometry violently. Like a sine curve between brake and throttle, but they both are always in tension and not just freespooling.
By the principle of risk offset, you’re right. However, roads are unpredictable, having a wider variety of skills allows you to feel more comfortable with more techniques in more situations which improves your risk offset.
You really don't need to. And Greg does state this: it's simply another tool to have in a riders box of skills. You don't necessarily have to use it every time. When you need to be more cautious on a new road, or in adverse conditions, is a great time to use it.
Greg, you won't believe it, but I've been dealing with this turning issue lately--and then I tune in to your video! Thanks. Keep well, and keep safe, Merry X-mas! Semper Fi, brother!
Great video as usual. IMO riding involves a high degree of discipline on the part of the rider. Failure to approach cornering without a plan and a high degree of skill/knowledge leads to a lack of enjoyment/satisfaction with your riding. I appreciate reminders of what is involved in being an effective rider.
Thanks motojitsu for these valuable advise, but i have noticed that its about which gear we are in, as soon we are off fhe throttle to place the finger on the brake, the bike is already slowing down and most of the time it is slowing to much where no brake is needed, then have to down shift mid corner or before mid corner to re accelerate which destabilise the bike, any advice on gear for corners.
no, DO NOT accelerate if you can't see the exit. it's a bad recipe for getting into an accident. and not really accelerate when seeing the exit, more accurate way to put it is accelerate when your bike has direction. (when you can take a way lean angle/bike pointed toward the corner exit)
Yep same here. But that’s the risky part, the only way to get confidence going faster in is going faster in, and one mistake is disaster. And it’s the kind of thing you can’t learn in a parking lot. The force it takes to counter steer at higher speeds is surprisingly high, and not knowing that beforehand will cause you to go wide not pushing enough and fixate too. I wish I had a track nearby
Exactly me. I've only been riding 5 months around now, but it's hard to balance. I don't know if I'm doing good with where I'm at, but I don't know if I should push it. . . And I don't know how much to push it because I don't know if I'm pushing enough!!! It's frustrating, especially because one mistake means disaster. @@amisfitpuivk
I think that applies mainly for street riding and blind corners where you don't know what is around the corner. You can still have some brakes applied through the corner because you probably won't be at max lean anyway on the street. This is also for riding more efficiently and fast at the same time. You can ride slow and most of what Greg is talking about won't apply because you won't need trail braking.
@redm3red He said "most riders" right ? I don't think this is applicable to "most riders" as most riders do not ride track or ride the public road like it's a track. I am quite a fast rider myself, but I will always apex late on public roads, especially when it's unknown to me.
@@gr8rider473 I get what you're saying. Viewers have to be discerning whether the information shared applies to their riding style. That goes for all videos, whether Motojitsu or other content creators. I track my bike as well as street ride so I look for content that applies to both disciplines.
@@redm3redSorry, but I don't agree. When I take lessons, I am supposed to take what is taught and not discern what suits me, because as a student, I am not qualified to make these judgements, wouldn't you agree ?
I noticed the rider on track came completely off the break mid turn at full lean. I thought this was dangerous without standing the bike up first. I was under the impression you need to keep 5% brake. Until the bike is upright and accelerating???
Highly recommend taking CA Superbike School Levels 1 & 2 and Champ School MotoJitsu.com/courses
4th reason dont know road, not worth risk
This is awesome. Seriously, this is really good.
When I was 14 I was reading Dirt Rider and this article was talking about why are you crashing offroad so much. The article (this was the mid 80's) had a drawn out picture and a rider at different points, they said that your eyes should be ahead, looking at points and aiming for those. Not aiming over the tire. I started using this and crashes went way down...
I grew up constantly cross-country skiing from 3 years old, and for some dumb reason I never clicked this over to motorcycles. I had coaches from early on, don't look at your feet, don't look at the tips of your skis, focus down the trail, of course it clicked in, not as though I was ignoring them but ya. In aviation, where you're looking is where you end up too, target fixation is what I was taught it was called. In WW2 pilots would slam into ships they were bombing cause they got so focused on the target they'd forget to pull up, or too late.
They also slammed into ships because of meth
Hallo,
... I'm Ricardo from Switzerland.
Thank you very much for your important and professional advice.
One question:
Kontext
- Mountain ( slow turns)
- Uphill
- BMW S1000RR
Is Trail breaking possibile oder necessary?
Thank you very much for your support.
All the best
Ricardo
2 related questions. If you don't know the corner is it safer to post apex the corner? And there is a common rule of thumb that you should be able to stop on the road you can see (staying on your own side of the road) - post apexing gives you further stopping distance, compared to the tighter apex you're recommending?
Seeing how much brake pressure i could carry at lean was a revelation. Obviously you don't want to go crazy but you'd be surprised. Mistake most riders make is being too abrupt
and this is why i love motorcycling; it is truly a full body and mind....sport? hobby? thing?
got it coach! ^_^
I've watched the entire thing on Sayian's channel. So much for anyone to learn from that footage, super great coaching Greg, makes me wish I lived in the US so I could come and learn from you. 👍
Grate sound affects.
Adding in the Champ School footage really brought it into perspective-funny because the algo is now feeding me champ school videos. I was just watching their “Radius = MPH” video…brilliant work.
Story of my ride: Oh crap, i over slowed... Great video.
Is using footage of long blind corners at the start really a good idea? You can't even do your "point # 1", as you can't see the apex from tip in. Trail brake -- sure. Acceleration is going to be late, because you can't see your exit yet. Nice video - beautiful for the track just not for blind corners. See some of the comments asking how to do this in the mountains. Probably would be good to emphasise the correct context for all this, as the comments suggest it is not obvious to everyone.
It's kinda like a wave thing with your right hand, brake roll off, trail fingers releasing crack little with your palm, on again. Hard to explain, but it becomes muscle memory. Or a snake. Same same. It becomes fluid, and you can always mix it up if something is going on in the middle as long as there is not upsetting the geometry violently. Like a sine curve between brake and throttle, but they both are always in tension and not just freespooling.
I feel most of the time you don't need to trail brake unless you're really pushing it and probably speeding.
Today for example if i warent trail breaking i would go over gravel in the middle of the corner, i wouldnt be able to swerve. Ride safe! 🤜🤛
By the principle of risk offset, you’re right. However, roads are unpredictable, having a wider variety of skills allows you to feel more comfortable with more techniques in more situations which improves your risk offset.
You really don't need to. And Greg does state this: it's simply another tool to have in a riders box of skills. You don't necessarily have to use it every time. When you need to be more cautious on a new road, or in adverse conditions, is a great time to use it.
Better to be over qualified in situations you dont need to be than underqualified in situations you need to be
👍👌Good job Greg!
Just took champ u online and I realized it’s all about trail braking into the turn. Eyes body brakes. It took me five years to get it.
Greg, you won't believe it, but I've been dealing with this turning issue lately--and then I tune in to your video! Thanks. Keep well, and keep safe, Merry X-mas! Semper Fi, brother!
I'm always looking for corner exit with quick scans back to pick the apex and read the road surface. A lot happens in a short period of time.
Thanks Greg ❤
Great video as usual. IMO riding involves a high degree of discipline on the part of the rider. Failure to approach cornering without a plan and a high degree of skill/knowledge leads to a lack of enjoyment/satisfaction with your riding. I appreciate reminders of what is involved in being an effective rider.
can you get Josh Herrin hook up and ride canyon / or track day ride just you and him >?? be great for channel.. call him..
Thanks motojitsu for these valuable advise, but i have noticed that its about which gear we are in, as soon we are off fhe throttle to place the finger on the brake, the bike is already slowing down and most of the time it is slowing to much where no brake is needed, then have to down shift mid corner or before mid corner to re accelerate which destabilise the bike, any advice on gear for corners.
My trail breaking is different....it's accelerate hard brake hard before corner... because I can't see if there are police around the next corner.
When we are releasing the front brake and leaning do we start to accelerate? Or is it when we see the exit we accelerate?
no, DO NOT accelerate if you can't see the exit. it's a bad recipe for getting into an accident.
and not really accelerate when seeing the exit, more accurate way to put it is accelerate when your bike has direction. (when you can take a way lean angle/bike pointed toward the corner exit)
Trolling? I can’t understand how this is being asked. He explained everything in the video.
#1 know your route by heart
My problem was too much engine breaking. Downshifting too much before the corner to have full power at the exit.
Yep same here. But that’s the risky part, the only way to get confidence going faster in is going faster in, and one mistake is disaster. And it’s the kind of thing you can’t learn in a parking lot. The force it takes to counter steer at higher speeds is surprisingly high, and not knowing that beforehand will cause you to go wide not pushing enough and fixate too. I wish I had a track nearby
Exactly me. I've only been riding 5 months around now, but it's hard to balance. I don't know if I'm doing good with where I'm at, but I don't know if I should push it. . . And I don't know how much to push it because I don't know if I'm pushing enough!!! It's frustrating, especially because one mistake means disaster. @@amisfitpuivk
Outstanding video.
Im founding much more easily trail breaking on tight cornors but its probably because im not doing "extreme speeds" to use it on big open ones.
Wow. Very helpful. But what happened to "keep the brakelight on until you see the exit", as you taught before ?
I think that applies mainly for street riding and blind corners where you don't know what is around the corner. You can still have some brakes applied through the corner because you probably won't be at max lean anyway on the street. This is also for riding more efficiently and fast at the same time. You can ride slow and most of what Greg is talking about won't apply because you won't need trail braking.
@redm3red He said "most riders" right ? I don't think this is applicable to "most riders" as most riders do not ride track or ride the public road like it's a track. I am quite a fast rider myself, but I will always apex late on public roads, especially when it's unknown to me.
@@gr8rider473 I get what you're saying. Viewers have to be discerning whether the information shared applies to their riding style. That goes for all videos, whether Motojitsu or other content creators. I track my bike as well as street ride so I look for content that applies to both disciplines.
Micro analysing corners …is a safety aid at any speed .
Daydreaming into corners , is not condusive to riding safe.
Great video
@@redm3redSorry, but I don't agree. When I take lessons, I am supposed to take what is taught and not discern what suits me, because as a student, I am not qualified to make these judgements, wouldn't you agree ?
I noticed the rider on track came completely off the break mid turn at full lean. I thought this was dangerous without standing the bike up first. I was under the impression you need to keep 5% brake. Until the bike is upright and accelerating???
It would seem that riding a couple of laps riding passenger with an instructor driving would really help..
Nice! TKS
can you go ride with Yammie Noob at the track meet up / or Canyons ...ect,, ?? be a great video content for ALL !! cheers
Yammie Noob? Ew gross.
In what world do you think you’re in? Lol
nice pic. with cat
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