Thank you for doing videos on cloisonné! There aren’t enough out there. I just love seeing pieces. There are tons of extremely long videos, by not very interesting people talking about it all, but I just want to see collections, not know every single thing. I’m a new collector, don’t Care the age of the piece, I just think it’s beautiful. I have done so many searches just trying to see people’s collections, but it seems those videos, or blog posts don’t exist. Anyway, you give just enough information for me to learn something about a thing I love, so I appreciate that.
I'll be honest, it's a hard thing to learn about! Hahaha, all sorts of techniques and ages and styles specific to regions of the world. I think you're doing it right in just appreciating the pieces you enjoy. Haha, I'm going to redo some videos of my pieces now that I know how cameras and editing work. Haha
Regarding 8:08, for those who are unfamiliar with the techniques, twisted wire can be quickly & easily made by use of a spinning spindle on a strand or multiple stands of wire. Then selected lengths can be snipped off as needed. Similarly rope making machines also use spinning spindles. To make vase or bowl shapes, lathes are used in a technique known as spinning in which sheet metal is the starting material which is used to form various shapes.
2:42 this is exactly the kind of info I was looking for - honestly given the thrift shop I found my piece in, I'm happy my piece is of Japanese origins. Any advise on how to narrow down a a time period?
Thank you, buddy! I'm not nearly as obsessive about Chinese cloisonné (except old pieces, that are extremely valuable) as I am with the Japanese. That being said, while these pieces don't hold much value, they are still hand made art and I respect that immensely. Not bad looking learning tools to have laying around either! Hahaha
Re: there is a fair amount of 20th century Chinese cloisonne, from the Deco era onward, that does not feature a background diaper, whether clouds or t-frets or spirals or whatever. The Chinese designs tend to rely upon evenly-space design elements - such as flowers, leaves, blossoms to function the way a wired background would - i.e., to prevent the enamel from "curdling" and cracking.
You are absolutely right, Chris! I genuinely appreciate your input here. I do my videos without a script, so I almost always forget or miss something. You know, if you had a UA-cam I'd be a guaranteed subscriber!
I'm afraid I couldn't tell you. Jingtailan (景泰蓝, Jǐngtàilán) appears to be the Chinese name for cloisonné. But I'm not sure how to describe the subset in Chinese.
@@besticanaffordantiques2565 Thank you for your reply. I know the name Jingtailan for the cloisonné but I was not referring to cloisonné in general but to the specific type ''open work".
I have a Chinese cloisonné dragon bowl that we believe was brought back from Japan in 1894 by an ancestor. It has a red square on the back marked with Chinese. I can not find anything to help me value for insurance. Can you help?
Just that I'm ALWAYS looking for cloisonné! Haha, I typically collect Japanese cloisonné. All of these Chinese pieces I have found locally. It is much more common than the Japanese cloisonné, which I have only found one, tiny piece of locally.
If we're not Facebook friends, come find me. Same name as on here. I'll eventually be selling all these items. The one you like isn't even a very expensive thing, so if it's melting you, I know a guy. 😉
You did perfect! Haha, The little black one? If you mean the little black one with gold flakes, unfortunately, I collect the Japanese cloisonné pieces for myself. I've had the opportunity to sell most of them, but...then I wouldn't have them! Hahaha, if you're on Facebook, so am I! I am BestICanAfford Antiques there as well. Always happy to have a new buddy. 🙂
Hey it's Joe again. I have followed you on fb, but i can't send a photo of the vases, till you friend me. I thought you could send pics to anyone. Shows how much, i know. 😊
Did you do the one with no spaces?! BestICanAfford Antiques? I don't see a message request or anything! Maybe if you send me a friend request or follow me I can see it? I'm not sure.
I'd sell my Chinese cloisonné. I don't sell the Japanese. That's what I collect for myself. The Chinese I gathered so I could make videos about it. If you'd like to buy something, you just have to message me on Facebook. Same name there.
Typically value will increase with artist or age. Mostly, with Chinese pieces, anything older than 1900 will start gaining value rapidly. Qinlong period and earlier, all the way back to the Ming dynasty. The older, the more valuable.
@@besticanaffordantiques2565 what he meant was ..they are all new..any artwork in Chinese art is called fake if it is new and is copied from the original piece.. or modified to make it look old and antique
@@atul5039 I agree that they are all new, or at least 20th century, with most of them being later 20th century. The argument that I would make is semantic.
@@besticanaffordantiques2565 I guess you are upset about the blunt and a profanity-filled rant made about your collection..but the fact is the value of actual imperial Chinese antiques have skyrocketed and ppl are not interested in knowing about the new ones as they are very clumsy( hurting the eyes)and mass produced.
@@atul5039 I'm not sure why you think I'm upset, or what profanity you're talking about. I state several times in the video that these are all modern Chinese pieces. I do think it's odd for you to assume that no one would be interested in learning about pieces like these, but that's an entirely different conversation.
Thank you for doing videos on cloisonné! There aren’t enough out there. I just love seeing pieces. There are tons of extremely long videos, by not very interesting people talking about it all, but I just want to see collections, not know every single thing. I’m a new collector, don’t Care the age of the piece, I just think it’s beautiful. I have done so many searches just trying to see people’s collections, but it seems those videos, or blog posts don’t exist.
Anyway, you give just enough information for me to learn something about a thing I love, so I appreciate that.
I'll be honest, it's a hard thing to learn about! Hahaha, all sorts of techniques and ages and styles specific to regions of the world. I think you're doing it right in just appreciating the pieces you enjoy. Haha, I'm going to redo some videos of my pieces now that I know how cameras and editing work. Haha
Regarding 8:08, for those who are unfamiliar with the techniques, twisted wire can be quickly & easily made by use of a spinning spindle on a strand or multiple stands of wire. Then selected lengths can be snipped off as needed. Similarly rope making machines also use spinning spindles. To make vase or bowl shapes, lathes are used in a technique known as spinning in which sheet metal is the starting material which is used to form various shapes.
thanks for the help, friend! 🙂
Thanks Austin for the video.
2:42 this is exactly the kind of info I was looking for - honestly given the thrift shop I found my piece in, I'm happy my piece is of Japanese origins.
Any advise on how to narrow down a a time period?
Happy to have helped, friend. 🙂
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
You are very welcome! Thank you for watching, and your comment! 🙂
Great vid...love the items
Thank you, buddy! I'm not nearly as obsessive about Chinese cloisonné (except old pieces, that are extremely valuable) as I am with the Japanese. That being said, while these pieces don't hold much value, they are still hand made art and I respect that immensely. Not bad looking learning tools to have laying around either! Hahaha
Great. Many Thanks. Informative.
My sincere thanks for watching, Ray!
@@besticanaffordantiques2565 I always enjoy your presentations. And they are becoming very professional, with a little humour for fun. Thank you.
@@raysmith2452 I try to get at least a little better at something every day! Thanks for noticing, ray!
Re: there is a fair amount of 20th century Chinese cloisonne, from the Deco era onward, that does not feature a background diaper, whether clouds or t-frets or spirals or whatever. The Chinese designs tend to rely upon evenly-space design elements - such as flowers, leaves, blossoms to function the way a wired background would - i.e., to prevent the enamel from "curdling" and cracking.
You are absolutely right, Chris! I genuinely appreciate your input here. I do my videos without a script, so I almost always forget or miss something. You know, if you had a UA-cam I'd be a guaranteed subscriber!
Nice video, thank you very much!!
Thank you very much! Pleased to meet you!
Some very nice pieces there. 1960's and earlier are some of the best quality. IMHO
Totally agree! I wish I had some older examples of Chinese work.
Hello, please can you tell me which is the traditional chinese name or some other name used in Europe for the ''open-work'' cloisonné? Thank you.
I'm afraid I couldn't tell you. Jingtailan (景泰蓝, Jǐngtàilán) appears to be the Chinese name for cloisonné. But I'm not sure how to describe the subset in Chinese.
@@besticanaffordantiques2565 Thank you for your reply. I know the name Jingtailan for the cloisonné but I was not referring to cloisonné in general but to the specific type ''open work".
I have a Chinese cloisonné dragon bowl that we believe was brought back from Japan in 1894 by an ancestor. It has a red square on the back marked with Chinese. I can not find anything to help me value for insurance. Can you help?
Add me as a friend on Facebook and send me pictures. Same name on there. 🙂
Oh my Lord, that vase is spectacular. 💕💕💕 I've never seen such a thing. Is there a story behind finding it?
Just that I'm ALWAYS looking for cloisonné! Haha, I typically collect Japanese cloisonné. All of these Chinese pieces I have found locally. It is much more common than the Japanese cloisonné, which I have only found one, tiny piece of locally.
I found this at a garage sale with the cloisonné eggs in the video! 🙂
If we're not Facebook friends, come find me. Same name as on here. I'll eventually be selling all these items. The one you like isn't even a very expensive thing, so if it's melting you, I know a guy. 😉
Hi Austin (hope I got that right)
Do you sell on ebay or another platform? I would purchase the small vase with the dragon
You did perfect! Haha, The little black one? If you mean the little black one with gold flakes, unfortunately, I collect the Japanese cloisonné pieces for myself. I've had the opportunity to sell most of them, but...then I wouldn't have them! Hahaha, if you're on Facebook, so am I! I am BestICanAfford Antiques there as well. Always happy to have a new buddy. 🙂
great
Thank you, friend! I enjoyed your video too!
Hey it's Joe again. I have followed you on fb, but i can't send a photo of the vases, till you friend me. I thought you could send pics to anyone. Shows how much, i know. 😊
Did you do the one with no spaces?! BestICanAfford Antiques? I don't see a message request or anything! Maybe if you send me a friend request or follow me I can see it? I'm not sure.
@besticanaffordantiques2565 OK I'll try that mate.Thanks.
do you sell any of your cloisonne? If so, do you have a website you sell?
I'd sell my Chinese cloisonné. I don't sell the Japanese. That's what I collect for myself. The Chinese I gathered so I could make videos about it. If you'd like to buy something, you just have to message me on Facebook. Same name there.
@@besticanaffordantiques2565 awesome ty! I will take a look
@@acevang7574 I have many things. Hahaha, looking through my photos will be a bit daunting.
You didnt cover value?? Y r some similar pieces 50 bucks vs 1000 bucks??
Typically value will increase with artist or age. Mostly, with Chinese pieces, anything older than 1900 will start gaining value rapidly. Qinlong period and earlier, all the way back to the Ming dynasty. The older, the more valuable.
I have some more pieces of Chinese cloisonné that we'll be talking about soon. Unfortunately, still not early pieces.
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ALL FAKE。
I dont think you have enough gifts on collection。
Im sorry, I don't think I quite know what you mean. Are you saying this is all fake cloisonné? Because I can assure you it is actual cloisonné....🧐
@@besticanaffordantiques2565 what he meant was ..they are all new..any artwork in Chinese art is called fake if it is new and is copied from the original piece.. or modified to make it look old and antique
@@atul5039 I agree that they are all new, or at least 20th century, with most of them being later 20th century. The argument that I would make is semantic.
@@besticanaffordantiques2565 I guess you are upset about the blunt and a profanity-filled rant made about your collection..but the fact is the value of actual imperial Chinese antiques have skyrocketed and ppl are not interested in knowing about the new ones as they are very clumsy( hurting the eyes)and mass produced.
@@atul5039 I'm not sure why you think I'm upset, or what profanity you're talking about. I state several times in the video that these are all modern Chinese pieces. I do think it's odd for you to assume that no one would be interested in learning about pieces like these, but that's an entirely different conversation.