This reminds me of a time when I was a young Aikido student. We had a small class and I was one of the largest and strongest students. I had gotten by for months just muscling people around and thinking my Aikido was good. One night a guy walked in off the street who was bigger and stronger than me and he resisted everything I tried to do. I couldn't even get him in a simple ikkyo. I got frustrated and said, "Man. Aikido doesn't work." My teacher tapped me on the shoulder, smiled, and said, "No. Aikido works. Your Aikido doesn't work." He then spent about 5 minutes correcting me and suddenly I was effortlessly manhandling this big guy. I learned a lot of valuable lessons that night. I would say it was my first real introduction to martial arts.
Absolutely Technical and easy to understand, plus exactly what is needed for the doubters and those who have been doing it wrong. As a retired LEO from NYC with vast experience in using Joint locks while in duty with resisting “Bad Guys” I can Attest to the veracity and accuracy of your Statements
Excellent episode as usual. After having been involved in a few incidents where the mentally disturbed inmates are resisting the value of good locking and cuffing technique is crucial. I can't tell you enough how effective the act of stepping into the person's center of gravity what Master Chen taught at a seminar once. It works every time when working to gain control without putting them on the ground
Totally agree, well said and explained. I remember how long it took me to understand the basics of application; it just wouldn't work in the beginning. I have a feeling that many karateka are to "tough" to learn again, or to just ask a qualified teacher. Instead, they try to look like a pro from the start and recreate techniques the've seen in books or the internet. Thanks for the episode, Michael Sensei.
Joint locks most definitely work. Back in the 90s, my wife had a physically abusive aunt that always assaulted people. Once she tried to stab me in the stomach with a kitchen knife using the mid section thrust that white belts start training against, and I put her in a joint lock. The hardest part was making sure I didn’t break her wrist. That’s actually more difficult than the lock itself. What was weird is that not one of her relatives asked me about it. I was expecting angry family members, but not one person said a word.
25:08 Sherm was my first Isshin Ryu sensei for about 6 months when I started Isshin Ryu in 1993. I resumed training at the Carson dojo in 2016 & have been a student there since. Can confirm, they hurt.
first, Im a student of AJ. Advincula since 1995. Been studying IR since 82. I also worked in a Federal Prison in Canada for 29 years. I've been on the receiving end of Wally Jays " Dance of pain". ( all joint locks). I have also been on the receiving end of Reme Presus's Joint locks with an escrima stick…. all this over the last 42 years of training and practical applications and scenarios. Joint locks work. Also worked as hand to hand man in an ERT team. I was the guy who did the cuffing. Joint locks work. He's right, those who say they dont work.. dont know how to use them properly or at the very least were not willing to hurt their opponent.
It's situational. Of course they work in certain situations and not in others. You wrist lock a guy's left hand in a street fight and he pulls a knife with the right going to get really ugly unless you back off real quick.
Nor will a broken leg or a punch or a kick stop him if he's on drugs.. That has been myexperience. But a bully or a drunk will respond to a wrist lock and drop to his knees if "its done properly". you need to train more. @@stevenmiller6725
I really enjoyed this podcast. Can you do a podcast on the difference between how Chin-na and Aikido applies joint locks? I’m a Kung Fu stylist and Chin-na in my opinion moves differently. I know certain Kung Fu like White Crane, Tiger Claw, Eagle Claw, Baguazhang, Taijiquan, ect. focus on different aspects on Chin-na but the basic principles are similar.
Weather joint 🔒 s work depends on what is happening, If I'm in a fight, I would not plan a joint 🔒, I train in pak hok pai, and I would go with something more direct, like an arrow fist 🤜 and follow up with a hook 👊 but if the opportunity 4 a 🔒 or take down 👇 is there then go for it, you have 2 empty your cup 🥤.....
I'm a purple belt in bjj with mma experience and I wouldn't rely on bjj joint locks, which seem more controlling and effective than aikidos wrist locks. I never trained aikido but a forward roll seems like an easy way to escape. But let's say you could break the wrist, I don't believe that would stop a truly dangerous person in a street fight. Maybe a bigger joint like the shoulder or knee would be better, but why take the chance that an enraged/drugged opponent will surrender due to pain, when chokes are so easy and there's no questions
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I think anyone who thinks they don't work hasn't done much grappling. I learned early on as a kid wrestling in school that they work, to say nothing of my martial experience.
A Quora noob just told me there are only 77 submissions total in Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I laughed at him and told him I knew over 200 Japanese and Okinawan Jiu Jitsu submissions, and that there are actually around 800 total pressure points and joint locks on the human body. Another Quora noob swears up and down that you and I both are liars about joint locks, and even called me "Walter Mitty" (i.e. insane) for claiming that Joint locks work. How are we supposed to correct these people?
This reminds me of a time when I was a young Aikido student. We had a small class and I was one of the largest and strongest students. I had gotten by for months just muscling people around and thinking my Aikido was good. One night a guy walked in off the street who was bigger and stronger than me and he resisted everything I tried to do. I couldn't even get him in a simple ikkyo. I got frustrated and said, "Man. Aikido doesn't work." My teacher tapped me on the shoulder, smiled, and said, "No. Aikido works. Your Aikido doesn't work." He then spent about 5 minutes correcting me and suddenly I was effortlessly manhandling this big guy. I learned a lot of valuable lessons that night. I would say it was my first real introduction to martial arts.
Absolutely Technical and easy to understand, plus exactly what is needed for the doubters and those who have been doing it wrong. As a retired LEO from NYC with vast experience in using Joint locks while in duty with resisting “Bad Guys” I can Attest to the veracity and accuracy of your Statements
Using the minimum amount of force to affect an apprehension. I was a Master at Arms in the Navy for 12 of my 14 years of service. Great info!
Excellent episode as usual. After having been involved in a few incidents where the mentally disturbed inmates are resisting the value of good locking and cuffing technique is crucial. I can't tell you enough how effective the act of stepping into the person's center of gravity what Master Chen taught at a seminar once. It works every time when working to gain control without putting them on the ground
Totally agree, well said and explained. I remember how long it took me to understand the basics of application; it just wouldn't work in the beginning. I have a feeling that many karateka are to "tough" to learn again, or to just ask a qualified teacher. Instead, they try to look like a pro from the start and recreate techniques the've seen in books or the internet.
Thanks for the episode, Michael Sensei.
great podcast
could you do more on practical method please.
I'd like to know what M. Chen means by: 'a rotation', 'a stretch' and 'a split'
Joint locks most definitely work. Back in the 90s, my wife had a physically abusive aunt that always assaulted people. Once she tried to stab me in the stomach with a kitchen knife using the mid section thrust that white belts start training against, and I put her in a joint lock. The hardest part was making sure I didn’t break her wrist. That’s actually more difficult than the lock itself.
What was weird is that not one of her relatives asked me about it. I was expecting angry family members, but not one person said a word.
25:08 Sherm was my first Isshin Ryu sensei for about 6 months when I started Isshin Ryu in 1993. I resumed training at the Carson dojo in 2016 & have been a student there since.
Can confirm, they hurt.
Excellent Explanation - this is a wonderful video. ❤🎉
first, Im a student of AJ. Advincula since 1995. Been studying IR since 82. I also worked in a Federal Prison in Canada for 29 years. I've been on the receiving end of Wally Jays " Dance of pain". ( all joint locks). I have also been on the receiving end of Reme Presus's Joint locks with an escrima stick…. all this over the last 42 years of training and practical applications and scenarios. Joint locks work. Also worked as hand to hand man in an ERT team. I was the guy who did the cuffing. Joint locks work. He's right, those who say they dont work.. dont know how to use them properly or at the very least were not willing to hurt their opponent.
It's situational. Of course they work in certain situations and not in others. You wrist lock a guy's left hand in a street fight and he pulls a knife with the right going to get really ugly unless you back off real quick.
@@stevenmiller6725 then you did not do the wrist lock properly. Done correctly a joint lock is crippling
@@chinto50 guy on drugs can take multiple bullets and keep coming but a Wrist lock will stop him? Won't even phase him if you break it.
Nor will a broken leg or a punch or a kick stop him if he's on drugs.. That has been myexperience. But a bully or a drunk will respond to a wrist lock and drop to his knees if "its done properly". you need to train more.
@@stevenmiller6725
❤ thank you 🙏🏼
I really enjoyed this podcast. Can you do a podcast on the difference between how Chin-na and Aikido applies joint locks? I’m a Kung Fu stylist and Chin-na in my opinion moves differently. I know certain Kung Fu like White Crane, Tiger Claw, Eagle Claw, Baguazhang, Taijiquan, ect. focus on different aspects on Chin-na but the basic principles are similar.
How do you feel about Kuzushi? I was taught that using Kuzushi to get them off balance makes the joint locks more effective.
Weather joint 🔒 s work depends on what is happening, If I'm in a fight, I would not plan a joint 🔒, I train in pak hok pai, and I would go with something more direct, like an arrow fist 🤜 and follow up with a hook 👊 but if the opportunity 4 a 🔒 or take down 👇 is there then go for it, you have 2 empty your cup 🥤.....
I'm a purple belt in bjj with mma experience and I wouldn't rely on bjj joint locks, which seem more controlling and effective than aikidos wrist locks. I never trained aikido but a forward roll seems like an easy way to escape. But let's say you could break the wrist, I don't believe that would stop a truly dangerous person in a street fight. Maybe a bigger joint like the shoulder or knee would be better, but why take the chance that an enraged/drugged opponent will surrender due to pain, when chokes are so easy and there's no questions
Are you all there mate? Did you get hit in the head too much? engage brain first and then speak.
Hey Im making a podcast library for me and my community. I really enjoyed this podcast, is it fine if I put your podcast on there it would be good popularity
Please do!
I totally agree that you need a fully non compliant civilian to find out what works.
I found locks work better after a strike first.
I think anyone who thinks they don't work hasn't done much grappling. I learned early on as a kid wrestling in school that they work, to say nothing of my martial experience.
Wait in modern wrestling there joint locks I thought bjj,sambo,pankration etc only had subs
A Quora noob just told me there are only 77 submissions total in Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
I laughed at him and told him I knew over 200 Japanese and Okinawan Jiu Jitsu submissions, and that there are actually around 800 total pressure points and joint locks on the human body.
Another Quora noob swears up and down that you and I both are liars about joint locks, and even called me "Walter Mitty" (i.e. insane) for claiming that Joint locks work.
How are we supposed to correct these people?
@@WadeSmith-oe5xd don’t waste your time. Some people still believe the world is flat.