Linux Code of Conduct Board Blocks File System Changes

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  • A code change for new bcachefs features is being blocked not for technical reasons... but a CoC dispute. Seriously.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 690

  • @mrsentinel4911
    @mrsentinel4911 11 годин тому +420

    CoC-Block

  • @rhone733
    @rhone733 10 годин тому +290

    Why does software need a CoC? What a joke.

    • @sciencedaemon
      @sciencedaemon 10 годин тому +2

      It is the only way commies can take control and ruin freedom.

    • @tf5pZ9H5vcAdBp
      @tf5pZ9H5vcAdBp 10 годин тому +133

      Because two generations of youths have been trained as activists instead of developers and the only way they can stay valuable is by creating these problems and then by being the solution.

    • @kenabi
      @kenabi 10 годин тому +54

      welcome to open source communism, and all forks of it. same old playbook.

    • @kill95
      @kill95 9 годин тому +12

      ​@@tf5pZ9H5vcAdBp 30 years of boomers acting like children too

    • @jannevellamo
      @jannevellamo 9 годин тому

      Because it's needed for a CIA takeover of Linux. Every other OS already has a bunch of CIA backdoors built in, only Linux remains.

  • @justicegaming1412
    @justicegaming1412 10 годин тому +218

    This is why a "code of conduct board" shouldn't exist. Either he should be able to submit patches to the kernel or he shouldn't. This limbo status is ridiculous. Abolish the CoC, abolish the CoC board, and get actual work done.
    I read through the thread a bit earlier today. It reminds me of when I recently went back and read the thread in the old BSD days with Theo de Raadt which eventually lead to OpenBSD forking off and becoming the actual best BSD distribution. The foot-dragging and politics being played is very similar to how that went down.

    • @atticusherodes6648
      @atticusherodes6648 9 годин тому +5

      remember when terms of service was good nough, i had an incident with one of the linuxes who soesnt have a COC< i lubuntu at thetime, i was dscussing an issue, i upedated my lubunto to thelatest stable version and suddeny my computer would lock up refuse to upddate, and pretty much killed my Python IDE, so as i was discussing the issues, half way through, smome guy butted inoff topic, said well you two are being polite, but i see that wee need a COC in here, and that wasnt even the place to talk about it, s i have to learnanew programing language, andd switch to BSD i guess? or React OS lol

    • @liukang85
      @liukang85 8 годин тому +5

      imagine FreeLinux and how that would make Linux look 😂

    • @cmbaz1140
      @cmbaz1140 7 годин тому +3

      HOA all over again
      ...

    • @rh906
      @rh906 4 години тому +5

      Abolish the Linux Foundation.

    • @jort93z
      @jort93z 3 години тому

      "Either he should be able to submit patches to the kernel or he shouldn't", well, suppose he isn't now until he adheres to the CoC, its not really a limbo.

  • @davidgood840
    @davidgood840 10 годин тому +126

    The situation is not best described as "nuts" , rather "no nuts" seems to capture it best .

    • @fdsphone6854
      @fdsphone6854 10 годин тому +3

      -never considered that- seems pretty obvious the blue dye is toxic. it has seeped into their brains

    • @lateralrook
      @lateralrook 9 годин тому +1

      Man, that's NUTS!

    • @katzenwerfer
      @katzenwerfer 8 годин тому +4

      Oh, rest assured, they have nuts

    • @man_at_the_end_of_time
      @man_at_the_end_of_time 7 годин тому +5

      ​@@katzenwerfer They have soy beans.

    • @tomorrow6
      @tomorrow6 6 годин тому

      Did they remove their nuts?

  • @TheTransporter007
    @TheTransporter007 9 годин тому +57

    "Shame if you weren't around anymore" is a direct threat to someone's "status of being alive."

    • @cleanpixelno
      @cleanpixelno 8 годин тому

      Communism is always a direct threat to anyone and anything alive.

    • @colinjohnson5515
      @colinjohnson5515 6 годин тому +2

      Not in this context yo. Dude was implying he’d be remove from kernel devs.

    • @korana6308
      @korana6308 6 годин тому +3

      Yep. By the very definition that's terrorism. Instigating fear for just merely existing, is terrorism.

    • @TheTransporter007
      @TheTransporter007 6 годин тому +5

      @@colinjohnson5515 *I* know what the dude meant, but still, courts in the US will gleefully disagree with you.

    • @akam9919
      @akam9919 5 годин тому +1

      @@TheTransporter007 Depends on the judge, but, honestly, I don't see it applying here. It could just as easily be interpreted as extortion or threatening his position/standing in the community, not his life.

  • @ironickeyboard5092
    @ironickeyboard5092 11 годин тому +138

    Leading to the question, how do we get rid of the CoC Board?

    • @EstraNiato
      @EstraNiato 11 годин тому +35

      We fund their transition ?

    • @skipperbentdk
      @skipperbentdk 10 годин тому

      Stop the sales of hormones and the problem will fix itself

    • @termitori
      @termitori 10 годин тому +10

      fork

    • @manitoba-op4jx
      @manitoba-op4jx 10 годин тому +6

      scissors

    • @EstraNiato
      @EstraNiato 10 годин тому +6

      @@manitoba-op4jx CoC paper scissors

  • @muhdiversity7409
    @muhdiversity7409 10 годин тому +60

    I'm surprised Kent wasn't given a piece of chalk to write out how naughty he has been on the white board a thousand times.

  • @20x20
    @20x20 9 годин тому +48

    isn't it crazy what happens when one starts "noticing patterns"?

    • @cleanpixelno
      @cleanpixelno 8 годин тому +1

      Oooooh yeah!!!

    • @pajeetsingh
      @pajeetsingh 6 годин тому +4

      Shut it down

    • @Mark-sd4hv
      @Mark-sd4hv 5 годин тому +9

      HUMANS DIDN'T EVOLVE TO RECOGNIZE PATTERNS BIGOT

    • @lemonheins2720
      @lemonheins2720 5 годин тому

      if you could be more explicit in what patterns and their subjects you're referring to that would be great.

    • @TheNoirKamui
      @TheNoirKamui 3 години тому +7

      Noticers are disliked

  • @sciencedaemon
    @sciencedaemon 9 годин тому +59

    ReiserFS was in the kernel long before that murder occurred. Now I suspect it can still be used as a module compiled separately, through DKMS. I don't see how code that is useful should be removed due to the character of the person who wrote it. It's not a living being.

    • @miao_renfeng
      @miao_renfeng 8 годин тому +5

      this

    • @hd-bild1513
      @hd-bild1513 7 годин тому +5

      Well yeah, but the video doesnt argue that. It uses it to point out how the linux foundation clearly doesnt hold image that dearly and is willing to use code from people who would damage their image if it is beneficial

    • @LTPottenger
      @LTPottenger 6 годин тому +3

      ReiserFS actually worked and didn't do weird stuff, though the bad man did do some bad things to contributors.

    • @No-mq5lw
      @No-mq5lw 5 годин тому

      The code might be open source, but the underlying logic and understanding behind them isn't.

    • @someguy782
      @someguy782 5 годин тому

      @@No-mq5lw are they going to spiritually contaminate the linux kernel?

  • @AllanSavolainen
    @AllanSavolainen 10 годин тому +33

    Hmm, you don't really need to include things that the law or government requires in the CoC. It is automatically assumed that the laws supersede any rules between private parties.
    The issue in this case for me is that they changed the rules and are applying them to a event that happened in the past, that is very bad precedent.

    • @atticusherodes6648
      @atticusherodes6648 9 годин тому +7

      thats technial being proscecuted for a crime that wasnt considered a crime, kind of like publishing some one for prohibition violations before 1920 before it was illegal

  • @CRCinAU
    @CRCinAU 5 годин тому +6

    tl;dr: Developer doesn't play well with others, screws up norms again, and again, and again, and again - then acts shocked when his stuff starts getting rejected after multiple warnings...

  • @armatura12441
    @armatura12441 7 годин тому +35

    It seems that today there is no point to conribute to Linux if you're not getting paid for. Because its not about open source anymore. Corpos want you to work for free.

    • @redactado266
      @redactado266 7 годин тому +1

      Like if you ever or will ever contribute to the kernel.

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому +3

      That is why Linux must be forked! Russians and Chinese need to work together and fork this entire Linux kernel away from existing base. You can see nearly half of the contributions have Chinese names. Imagine they fork away and never contribute to existing Linux while billions upon billions pour in by Chinese and Russians....the new Linux will be great. As for backdoor....hahaha...it is not like existing Linux not lacking any for CIA.

    • @rosomak8244
      @rosomak8244 Годину тому

      This is already the case since over 20 years.

  • @calebshingledecker3610
    @calebshingledecker3610 10 годин тому +137

    I have been somewhat following the bcachefs drama for a bit and an not surprised that a commit got blocked, but going after Kent for CoC is ridiculous. The fact that they are currently discriminating against anyone who happened to be born in Russia makes it even more ridiculous.

    • @KertaDrake
      @KertaDrake 8 годин тому +11

      The whole Russia block thing is unfortunately a legal issue, unless everyone involved wants slammed for circumventing sanctions.

    • @mineinmonkey9787
      @mineinmonkey9787 8 годин тому +8

      It's not ridiculous, they HAVE to block Russian devs. It's a legal thing.

    • @_PatrickO
      @_PatrickO 7 годин тому

      Born? I would expect them to block people working from inside russia since the entire free world is sanctioning russia.

    • @eng3d
      @eng3d 7 годин тому +8

      ​@@KertaDrakerussian but not Chinese.
      i.e a circumvent circus 🤡

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 6 годин тому +24

      @@KertaDrake There exists no legal basis. The EO literally only applies to government. It is ZERO bearing on the linux kernel. None. Zero.

  • @Mr.Riojas
    @Mr.Riojas 10 годин тому +48

    Oh. my. freaking. bleh. What is a Code of Conduct board existing for the linux kernel that has nothing to do with actual coding and being a tongue in check name?! And how is a Code of Conduct member not kicked out for breaking the most basic of codes of conduct: treating others with respect? Actually, by that standard, most CoC board members would be kicked out. I wonder how long before they kick Torvalds out for CoC rule breaks.

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 10 годин тому +1

      I would just ignore that board.

    • @kenabi
      @kenabi 10 годин тому +13

      such bodies rarely adhere to the rules they require others to. and are rarely held to account for it.

    • @Mr.Riojas
      @Mr.Riojas 9 годин тому +5

      @@amigalemming Hard to ignore when they block updates.

    • @pikachulovesketchup666
      @pikachulovesketchup666 4 години тому +1

      Because it's storage for corporate shills. If you need some feature pushed into the project, the pais shills will make sure it's put there.

    • @tornadot2025
      @tornadot2025 2 години тому +2

      Kicking Linus out of his own project is probably the ultimate plan.

  • @sergrojGrayFace
    @sergrojGrayFace 9 годин тому +68

    You're ignoring the history of interactions between Linus and Bcachefs guy where Linus warned him Bcachefs could be removed from the kernel because he didn't test it on some unusual machines and it crashed on them. Naturally, Linus also violated CoC in that conversation AFAIR.

    • @WorldsBestCommunist
      @WorldsBestCommunist 9 годин тому +38

      This video basically ignores everything and takes Kent's claims at face value.

    • @TehVulpes
      @TehVulpes 5 годин тому

      CoCs were never intended to be applied uniformly. They’re just a cynical tool of power, something to point to for people who are otherwise too spineless to just admit they’re banning you because they don’t like you.

    • @No-mq5lw
      @No-mq5lw 5 годин тому +6

      Linus violating CoC when he's very explicitly stated he's completely done with the bcachefs guy's conduct, and the guy further continues to antagonize Linus?

    • @BrianThorne
      @BrianThorne 4 години тому

      Yeah so crazy. Can we up vote this

    • @defeqel6537
      @defeqel6537 3 години тому +4

      wasn't it failing on all Big Endian machines, or do I remember incorrectly?

  • @pepelemoko9130
    @pepelemoko9130 7 годин тому +46

    That executive order to ban Russians from GPL projects is such a joke, each time I see a new development for the kernel or a new AI project, all the developers have Chinese names and most the time the email addresses are also from mainland China ... So much for US national security ! 😅😅😅

    • @eng3d
      @eng3d 7 годин тому

      woke agenda first
      rust nonsense drama.
      ban Russian because of politics
      Linus is boycotting Linux

    • @DudeSoWin
      @DudeSoWin 6 годин тому +1

      Ban France if anything. Holy f** crypto fraud batman.

    • @CRCinAU
      @CRCinAU 4 години тому +5

      You think the kernel is an American development? How cute.

    • @rh906
      @rh906 4 години тому +6

      @@CRCinAU *whoosh*

    • @rh906
      @rh906 4 години тому

      Because it has nothing to do with ethics and morals. All the sanctions on China are for show at most since they just watch them bypass them and shrug when not politically convenient. As for the national security element, 5 Eyes and all the alliances tied them them. Everyone else's national security is American national security as well.

  • @tschak909
    @tschak909 10 годин тому +25

    You must understand that all of this is the result of business and investment compliance.
    It only explains what and why it's happening. It does not make any of this right.

  • @StarOnCheek
    @StarOnCheek 9 годин тому +31

    Tbh, i agree that a change of climate in the Linux development community would probably turn away less potential contributors, but banning talented people for being who they are hurts users the most in the end

    • @DudeSoWin
      @DudeSoWin 7 годин тому +1

      My experience communicating with open source projects is that I'm constantly getting gaslighted by roleplaying moderators. They flag you and stalk you and if you demonstrate any IQ above room temperature they perform some retarded ass take down maneuver like a Redditor janny. I hope this comment posts.

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому +1

      Just do hard fork and let existing Linux turn into Apache software! Linux is quite stagnant for years now. I want more eastern side geniuses working on it with Rubles and RMB. We need competition. If Chinese can produce Huawei new trifold .... I am sure they can do wonders with Linux fork.

  • @wozhardy
    @wozhardy 9 годин тому +38

    It looks as if we may have to fork the entire open source community..
    Maybe..

    • @DudeSoWin
      @DudeSoWin 6 годин тому +3

      Its a Motherboard, because the power of a free people is born of a mother not a community.

    • @Flavor_Flav
      @Flavor_Flav 5 годин тому

      I'm just using Windows again.

    • @magicalnoodles
      @magicalnoodles Годину тому

      Anyone affiliated with Russia in any capacity was already booted out from the kernel maintainer list. Now, they are pushing out other trusted contributors for no legit reason.
      There is only one thing that can realistically happen down the line.
      The Linux Foundation and the CoC have basically sold themselves to companies at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if they even eventually close source the kernel and only sell the final product to companies.
      So yeah, you're right, there is a strong need to reorganize the open source community. Best case scenario is where we'll have multiple forks being developed independently by different parties, with some parties cooperating on certain major features.

  • @dkosmari
    @dkosmari 9 годин тому +38

    Remember how quickly X11 imploded?
    Remember how quickly OpenOffice imploded?
    Remember how quickly MySQL imploded?
    We're seeing this again.
    Who else is excited for GNU HURD?

    • @SpookyAlien-2001
      @SpookyAlien-2001 7 годин тому +1

      Watch out for Redox

    • @phoneywheeze
      @phoneywheeze 6 годин тому +1

      what happened with MySQL?

    • @dkosmari
      @dkosmari 6 годин тому

      @@phoneywheeze Sun bought MySQL AB. Then Oracle bought Sun, and started rejecting all community contributions. So the community forked it into MariaDB, and Oracle's MySQL was pretty much abandoned by everyone.

    • @TyrHeimdal
      @TyrHeimdal 6 годин тому

      @@phoneywheeze Oracle took over and did what Oracle does, so it was forked to MariaDB.

    • @Mark-sd4hv
      @Mark-sd4hv 5 годин тому

      Wait what happened with MySQL??

  • @johncavanaugh6481
    @johncavanaugh6481 10 годин тому +96

    Lets submit some CoC violations against Linus... This is the beginning of the end, just when we had the opportunity to vastly move forward.

    • @angrydachshund
      @angrydachshund 8 годин тому

      Look at the German opposition to nuclear. Turns out it was funded by Russia. Whenever you see behavior like this erupt, check your competition...

    • @shadowmuted-d4h
      @shadowmuted-d4h 6 годин тому +4

      We'll make him submit to our CoC.

    • @stolenlaptop
      @stolenlaptop 3 години тому +3

      ​@@shadowmuted-d4h make him eat CoC

    • @sqlexp
      @sqlexp 3 години тому +3

      Linus is the one pushing this block. He is woke.

    • @RedPillRachel
      @RedPillRachel Годину тому

      @@sqlexp omg rip penguin folks

  • @Necropheliac
    @Necropheliac 2 години тому +7

    The anti-bullying people always turn out to be the biggest bullies. Ultimately I think this policy of having politeness police will make the Linux kernel worse and not better. Programmers are often abrasive and can be known to conduct themselves poorly with others. It’s never a problem until the non-technical types get their hands all over a project. Linux won’t be better because of the politeness committee.

    • @Spudz76
      @Spudz76 Годину тому

      New Code of Conduct:
      - Try to be as nice as possible given the circumstances
      - Have a thick skin
      - Don't be a pussy
      Then write that in Rust and submit it as a patch.

  • @BrianCroweAcolyte
    @BrianCroweAcolyte 8 годин тому +10

    When rules aren't enforced evenly and by the letter, they're not rules they're weapons.

  • @SandcastleDreams
    @SandcastleDreams 7 годин тому +16

    Sounds like certain induviduals got paid off to destroy Linux! IMO!
    Perhaps those still faithful to the original vision needs to pick up and start a competing software development group!

    • @xExekut3x
      @xExekut3x 7 годин тому

      kinda ... not destroy, just subvert and take over. it's been the judeo-commie decades, now.

  • @bass69player
    @bass69player 10 годин тому +26

    So we're going to FreeBSD now? Windows --> Linux --> BSD???

    • @cccpkingu
      @cccpkingu 10 годин тому +5

      NoHugsBSD had a CoC early.

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 10 годин тому +13

      We need something more modular such that we do not need a central leader to decide what goes in and what not. This way, we could assemble our system from the best components availabe.

    • @nephatrine
      @nephatrine 9 годин тому +5

      @@amigalemming You can already do that. It's trivial to build the kernel nowadays and you can pull in whatever code you want. It's open source so you can assembly things from whatever components you want lol.

    • @bass69player
      @bass69player 8 годин тому

      How about Minix???

    • @cleanpixelno
      @cleanpixelno 8 годин тому +2

      Absolutely. After using Linux since 98 I started testing BSD a bit a couple of years ago, anticipating this commie trainwreck...

  • @uiopuiop3472
    @uiopuiop3472 8 годин тому +12

    The "entity" responsible for making the CoC madness is Coraline Ada Ehmke, like you know the fusion of Coraline from the Children's horror series and Ada Lovelace from programming history. Really creative naming there too

    • @cleanpixelno
      @cleanpixelno 8 годин тому +6

      Agents have fancy names, yeah...

    • @pajeetsingh
      @pajeetsingh 6 годин тому +2

      CIA

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому +1

      ​@@pajeetsinghMaybe Mossad? These days they are everywhere?

  • @kilosierraalpha
    @kilosierraalpha 10 годин тому +35

    Somebody PLEASE fork Linux already!!! I don't care which corporation/country/organization does it... just please do it and remove all the nonsense. I just want Linux to be the best it can be without all the drama and politics.

    • @shadowflash705
      @shadowflash705 10 годин тому +8

      It's forking time! 🍴 But yeah, for real. There's a need for no-BS open source. Where people can just develop the software, leaving forced artificial political BS outside.

    • @web
      @web 9 годин тому

      Just fork it yourself, nothing stops you.
      Why nobodies always call for other to do the work and then just want to freeload on the work of others. Such commies

    • @pavel9652
      @pavel9652 9 годин тому

      How about adults behave like adults and have a civilised conversations on the mailing list while speaking about your favourite software. Do you have an issue with that? Also, if you don't care who forks it, would you use EvilCorp fork?

    • @kilosierraalpha
      @kilosierraalpha 9 годин тому +11

      @@pavel9652 These individuals are not behaving like adults but rather like emotional teenagers.

    • @pavel9652
      @pavel9652 9 годин тому

      @@kilosierraalpha So is your emotional and immature comment.

  • @GalvayraPHX
    @GalvayraPHX 10 годин тому +17

    Ah yes, safety...security..Won't someone think of the children...that are in the kernel mailing list...Do I need to make a backup of the kernel code before public access is cut off - you know, for safety?

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому +2

      Linus might do that. We need to backup and hard fork!

  • @Wolkebuch99
    @Wolkebuch99 10 годин тому +7

    Calling it a CoC issue is so they don't upset the rustaceans again, the real reason the dev touched too many internals for the "patch"

  • @EstraNiato
    @EstraNiato 11 годин тому +35

    CoC board sounds painful

    • @sciencedaemon
      @sciencedaemon 10 годин тому +12

      communism is painful.

    • @manitoba-op4jx
      @manitoba-op4jx 10 годин тому +4

      @@sciencedaemon equal distribution of misery

    • @atticusherodes6648
      @atticusherodes6648 9 годин тому

      i thin k someof us hwere rasing conscents at least 2011 i think it became noticale in 2014

    • @DudeSoWin
      @DudeSoWin 6 годин тому +1

      I would love to slave it to my power supply and give it the juice to crashing and beyond.

    • @Mahaveez
      @Mahaveez 2 години тому

      May as well be the CBT board.

  • @emmanuelgoldstein3682
    @emmanuelgoldstein3682 7 годин тому +27

    definitely a purple-haired "woman". those types are a bane on the entire dev community

  • @epithos
    @epithos 9 годин тому +10

    Windows 11 is so bad Linux had to find new ways to maintain minority market share.

  • @bhushanharripersad5716
    @bhushanharripersad5716 10 годин тому +62

    This is making Linus less of an alternative to Windows 11.

    • @Rai2M
      @Rai2M 10 годин тому +9

      Or actually more, considering Windows 365 Link.

    • @fetch2385
      @fetch2385 10 годин тому +8

      Not even a little bit.

    • @atticusherodes6648
      @atticusherodes6648 9 годин тому +7

      this close ot going BSD or React OS right now, and you know the reasons but then again I am a writer so i only need a suppoerted Woed processing system that supports or is comaptoibnle with windows and gogles docs, and i am a retro gamer and supports oldd doss amd wwin programs, and is small enough to fit in my agign system.

    • @Mark-wq7wd
      @Mark-wq7wd 9 годин тому +9

      Open BSD IS Looking better and better.

    • @root_dnb
      @root_dnb 9 годин тому +3

      BSDs are cool but you are super limited with them and cant get any serious work done...

  • @kevalan1042
    @kevalan1042 9 годин тому +18

    I think the real issue was about the stability of Bcachefs, and how Linus thought the dev was behaving unprofessionally by pushing large and unthoroughly tested changes

    • @ThisIsSparta-k2m
      @ThisIsSparta-k2m 3 години тому +4

      It is. But this 30 minute slag completely ignored this.

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому

      Constructive criticism. Linus these days sound more and more like old Stalin. If you dont agree....gulag you go or erase from mailing list. Why we promote commie ideal?

  • @JPs-q1o
    @JPs-q1o 10 годин тому +9

    We told you so all the way back in 2017!

  • @RoshiGaming
    @RoshiGaming 11 годин тому +80

    Honestly, I think Linus is the worst thing happening to Linux in the past few years.

    • @sciencedaemon
      @sciencedaemon 10 годин тому +35

      He has gone commie.

    • @FrankZen
      @FrankZen 10 годин тому +18

      ​@@sciencedaemon ironic considering his stance on Russian developers

    • @Rubafix989
      @Rubafix989 9 годин тому +6

      @@sciencedaemon I'm not sure commie means what you think it means. He went woke for sure though which is a US ideology, where it was born and where it thrives

    • @timothywcrane
      @timothywcrane 9 годин тому

      @@sciencedaemon Corporate Coc sucker is more apt!

    • @sciencedaemon
      @sciencedaemon 9 годин тому

      @@Rubafix989 then you fail to follow where all these ideas are rooted. Who wants to take away free speech? Who benefits from wokies in the US? You are just looking at the surface.

  • @taurniloronar1516
    @taurniloronar1516 9 годин тому +6

    So much for Inclusiveness.

    • @cleanpixelno
      @cleanpixelno 8 годин тому +2

      Their fake, shitty words will ALWAYS have the total opposite meaning in the real world, of course!

  • @josephvanbrunning2960
    @josephvanbrunning2960 10 годин тому +41

    Its a Linus problem. He is always the problem. Remember just the other day he unecessarily told everybody who questions him to fk off for no reason.

    • @georgeokello8620
      @georgeokello8620 9 годин тому +15

      Wrong. That board has much more power over Linus or pretty much other contributors. Even Linus was checked by the board when they were newly introduced to the Linux foundation to increase the Linux foundation’s social justice initiative image/branding

    • @liukang85
      @liukang85 8 годин тому +10

      ​@georgeokello8620 Linus being checked in the beginning sounds like a PR stunt.

    • @phoneywheeze
      @phoneywheeze 6 годин тому +1

      ​@@liukang85he was checked a few years ago

  • @edwardcullen1739
    @edwardcullen1739 9 годин тому +17

    Pure, Maoist nonsense.
    "Participate in our struggle session or we will prevent you from contributing YOUR OWN TIME WHICH YOU GIVE FOR FREE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE WORLD."
    This "Shuah Khan" character sounds like the problem, not the solution.

    • @korana6308
      @korana6308 6 годин тому

      Not Maoism. Communism.

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому

      Linus is more commie....Soviet centralized planning. Maoist is more on land ownership and cultural things.

  • @S3NTRY
    @S3NTRY 9 годин тому +10

    Code of Coercion

  • @danix30001
    @danix30001 10 годин тому +19

    In the Woke New World even developers are being CoC blocked.

  • @FrankZen
    @FrankZen 10 годин тому +15

    They should fork now before it gets even crazier! I'm ready for LinuxCash!

    • @dhc2
      @dhc2 9 годин тому +5

      just use a bsd, linux is doomed

  • @CharlesSchaum
    @CharlesSchaum 8 годин тому +9

    Embrace, extend, extinguish.

  • @AR45H
    @AR45H 9 годин тому +14

    Calling it now, Linux is done.
    A Fork is needed and an exodus is imminent.

  • @floppa9415
    @floppa9415 Годину тому +1

    This feels more and more like we are seeing the grand embrace, extent, extinguish plan unfold.

  • @WR3ND
    @WR3ND 7 годин тому +11

    Looking forward to the Russian fork at this rate...😅

    • @korana6308
      @korana6308 6 годин тому

      That's the only saviour at this point. Having an liberal sovereign entity controlling the liberal - free world, which Russia has become. No one else. If the entity is not sovereign, is gonna be able to fork it with no repercussions. Only Russia.

  • @LeviathanWebWorks
    @LeviathanWebWorks Годину тому +2

    I think the conduct being looked into is the repeat lack of testing that results in wasted time after a merge when nothing compiles because someone didn't do the bare minimum testing.

  • @feekes
    @feekes 9 годин тому +1

    I commend you for the commitment to wearing the same shirts with such consistency as your referenced news stories. It's impressive!

  • @SterileNeutrino
    @SterileNeutrino 11 годин тому +14

    I will be back after watching my daily "The Duran" political infodump

    • @george-stathopoulos
      @george-stathopoulos 10 годин тому +3

      What do u think about duran? I will go watch some. I had forgot somwhow about them

    • @arseniy_viktorovich
      @arseniy_viktorovich 10 годин тому

      @@george-stathopoulos Guys are legit

    • @javaman4584
      @javaman4584 4 години тому

      I watch them every day but Alexander is becoming unwatchable.

    • @arseniy_viktorovich
      @arseniy_viktorovich 3 години тому +1

      @@javaman4584 Mmm... hmmm.... ahmm.... mmmhhhmmm (c)

    • @MathUDX
      @MathUDX 3 години тому

      I wish the Duran would cover these American anti-software sanctions. I know it's somewhat outside of their typical expertise, but this is definitely the kind thing they talk about regularly. Maybe get Lunduke on as a guest actually :)

  • @frankbauerful
    @frankbauerful 10 годин тому +50

    It's pure Maoism, struggle sessions and all.

    • @kenabi
      @kenabi 10 годин тому +6

      partly, but partly traditional communism. between the capture of academia over the years since ww2, and the importing of certain known ccp members into academia, them having people in key places to influence people (students for a democratic society, anyone?) its amazing we're only seeing it this late in the game.

    • @frankbauerful
      @frankbauerful 8 годин тому +5

      @kenabi A lot of people have been seeing it for years and pointed it out. But they were ignored or cast out, because "only a bad person would oppose the establishment of a CoC."

    • @cleanpixelno
      @cleanpixelno 8 годин тому +1

      Yep! And thus equally deadly if everyone lets it slide...

    • @DudeSoWin
      @DudeSoWin 6 годин тому +1

      @@frankbauerful Interoperability of Conduct, would be a more accurate parody of this error to keep the CoC as a trophy under quarantine, separate but equal lols. The whole "but can it do this" argument of Linux is that with greater awareness of code it can do barrel rolls around proprietary posers.

    • @korana6308
      @korana6308 6 годин тому

      Not Maoism. THAT'S COMMUNISM in of itself. They have only one way - communist way, everyone else deserves to be purged by their logic. And every action is justified for anyone who is not a communist. That's communism 101. They became communists.
      By the way, Trump is only slightly better than the d. state. The d. state is like 95% communist. And Trump is like 50% communist. (Communism opposes liberalism, and is for 100% governmental control).

  • @Netist_
    @Netist_ 6 годин тому +5

    So if you say anything the CoC doesn't like, you have to take part in a public humiliation ritual. How does this contribute to functional and stable software?

  • @msoltyspl
    @msoltyspl 9 годин тому +4

    Also, remember good times when the linux kernel had "code of conflict" - common sense and to the point ?

  • @termitori
    @termitori 10 годин тому +14

    How to control linux , control contributor , how to control contributor, control speech, how to control speech, make rules of speech.
    This is a politic war on open software

    • @pajeetsingh
      @pajeetsingh 6 годин тому

      I wonder what was hidden in Solomon temple.

  • @Drazil100
    @Drazil100 6 годин тому +1

    Been following the bcachefs drama and it’s about time he got blocked. He conducts himself with a “the rules don’t matter because my needs are important” attitude and he doesn’t seem to care how many other projects he breaks or how much extra work he creates for Linus as long as users of his single project get fixes faster. If he can’t comprehend how important the rules are for managing a project at the scale of the Linux Kernel then he shouldn’t be involved.

  • @Mavendow
    @Mavendow 7 годин тому +10

    This is so sad, I'm watching Linux wither on the vine.

  • @draoi99
    @draoi99 8 годин тому +10

    This is how you get Lysenkoism. It's fascinating to watch in real time.

  • @Jeppelelle
    @Jeppelelle 5 годин тому +4

    This CoC board seems to behave exactly like all the shitty HOA i constantly hear people complain about, what a mess. Why do people always become insufferable as soon as they get the tiniest sliver of power?

  • @trionghost
    @trionghost 9 годин тому +6

    Linux Foundation became *hithall. We need a really free and open fork with anonymous maintainers based on meritocracy based rules.

    • @liukang85
      @liukang85 8 годин тому +1

      meritocracy ugh ... nice idea impossible to actually implement fairly. Assholes will start engineering their contributions to please merit metrics and stupidly look at those. Plus it discourages teamwork

  • @zap117
    @zap117 3 години тому +2

    kent has missmanaged this, if the kernel had to adjust itself to everyone else it would be chaos

  • @von_nobody
    @von_nobody 10 годин тому +10

    I think this have noting with CoC, this is only pretext, problem was that this contributor push large changes when main branch was in stabilizing stage.
    Instead of following expected workflow he try impose his own. You can find many videos reporting his previous clash with Linus.

    • @tyrgoossens
      @tyrgoossens 8 годин тому

      Even if true, it's still a problem that they use the CoC as a cudgel instead of confronting the real issue. Even worse it strengthens abuse of the CoC to keep people in line instead of promoting honest discussion.

  • @esra_erimez
    @esra_erimez 8 годин тому +5

    To be fair, Kent was being a jerk

    • @redactado266
      @redactado266 7 годин тому +2

      Acting like a lone cowboy on a community driven proyect and then pikachu faceing when nobody wants you or your work.

    • @dutchdykefinger
      @dutchdykefinger 6 годин тому

      Oh no
      Mean tweets

  • @glenhumphrey8822
    @glenhumphrey8822 8 годин тому +4

    Executive orders are not law.

  • @claireodendron
    @claireodendron Годину тому

    They go from "seeking" a public apology to "requiring" a public apology two seconds later.

  • @tikabass
    @tikabass 2 години тому +1

    All of this smells like a corporate takeover. That's quite a security risk to private Linux users.

  • @chaos.corner
    @chaos.corner 9 годин тому +28

    Linus going to end up ousted within 12 months.

    • @LedoCool1
      @LedoCool1 5 годин тому +2

      He's bending to them pretty well, so probably a bit further in time. Probably when his name finally has no credibility.

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому

      Unkikely. It is better to just fork Linux and let him be his small kingdom emperor. We move on with better innovation thru hard fork!

  • @devnom9143
    @devnom9143 2 години тому +5

    This is unsurprising to anyone who has paid an attention to recent news around Linux File Systems, the guy behind bcacheFS has repeatedly not adhered to proper commit windows, he tried to merge features in a fix only window commit window, & has even merged in broken code; It got to the point where Linus said he was considering dropping bcacheFS from the mainline kernel; This is not merely 'Code of Conduct' violations & it is *highly misleading & false to claim that it is merely 'Code of Conduct' that is blocking bcacheFS*

    • @handfuloffrogs
      @handfuloffrogs 2 години тому +1

      the truth about why that happened doesn't make for a good ragebait. saying THE WOKE COC is to blame, does.

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому +1

      This is why we need hardfork. BcacheFS is good...quite good but it hurt Linus ego for someone that can outshine him. We need to hardfork it out....let some Chinese scientists or Russians one take credit as the next Linus. Linus is already very DEI these days.

  • @man_at_the_end_of_time
    @man_at_the_end_of_time 7 годин тому +7

    It seems the whole of Linux needs to be forked from Linux. Would that even be possible? Maybe make common cause with Russian coders? Or conservatives coders? Is there commercial Unix code that is abandoned and not under corporate control? Perhaps FreeBSD could adapt these improvements?

    • @stevet7522
      @stevet7522 6 годин тому

      A fork with every developer welcome and none this CoC bull would be welcome.

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому

      Linux must be forked. This BS CoC wont resolve itself. You want they gone or tone down? You show them competition. If their CoC is so good for Linux, they will flourish and proves us wrong. Otherwise thru competition, CoC will be like that vestigial limbs...irrelevant and insignificant.

  • @Spartan322
    @Spartan322 7 хвилин тому

    Every good software project should have a CoC that says "anyone who suggests an implementation of a CoC is completely banned from the project without question no matter their rank"

  • @niclash
    @niclash 9 годин тому +5

    The modern Salem Witch Trials

    • @dkosmari
      @dkosmari 8 годин тому +3

      Struggle Sessions. Linux is undergoing a Cultural Revolution, there will be nothing left.

    • @Gigachad-mc5qz
      @Gigachad-mc5qz 2 години тому

      Victim mindset

  • @reinhardscherer2860
    @reinhardscherer2860 7 годин тому +3

    Do CoC-Board members wear uniform ?

    • @korana6308
      @korana6308 6 годин тому +1

      And that uniform probably contains a Buddhist symbol...🤔🤔

  • @piman13_71
    @piman13_71 9 годин тому +1

    saw the title and went "this is totally that 'new' 'better' filesystem that's maintainer is to cocky" and laughed when I read the TLDR lol.
    dude was given so many (maybe too many) chances to not mess this up

  • @LysergicKids
    @LysergicKids 2 години тому +1

    CoC was always completely antithetical to the core principles of FOSS and the justification for it's existence was always BS.

  • @xiabolikka
    @xiabolikka 8 годин тому +14

    So basically linux is fucked

  • @sirrippovmaple
    @sirrippovmaple 11 годин тому +35

    To be fair, the bcachefs guy has a history of not following the technical guidelines and has gotten into a flame war with Linus over it. Linus threatened removing bcachefs from the kernel and it looks like this is what is going to happen.

    • @SterileNeutrino
      @SterileNeutrino 11 годин тому +3

      Man the drama is crazy

    • @skipperbentdk
      @skipperbentdk 10 годин тому +1

      Maybe he once spoke with a Russian troll or failed to memorize the 177 genders

    • @ahettinger525
      @ahettinger525 10 годин тому +13

      THIS. The BCFS dev keeps submitting these ridiculous patches that are just unauditable, even during RC freezes. His changes should have been denied and removed from the kernel for that alone.

    • @flintfrommother3gaming
      @flintfrommother3gaming 10 годин тому +6

      But no, it's the woke people, it has to be!!!1!1

    • @MadsterV
      @MadsterV 10 годин тому +14

      @@flintfrommother3gaming deferring to the CoC board (seriously, that's the name?) is a really bad idea though. Should have been just denied with comments on why and that should be the end of it.

  • @MagikGimp
    @MagikGimp 9 годин тому +4

    So it's not about supporting... those types but rather it's all for corporate?! Oh my! xD

  • @gondorianslayer4250
    @gondorianslayer4250 10 годин тому +4

    im worried for my safety.

  • @benjy288
    @benjy288 8 годин тому +2

    There's absolutely issues in the Linux world with this whole code of conduct political nonsense

  • @CrucialFlowResearch
    @CrucialFlowResearch 8 годин тому +2

    I've been banned from the Julia language for years now, even though my Julia packages have over 1000 stars combined

  • @hassanawodi5888
    @hassanawodi5888 8 годин тому +3

    I think at this point, Linux may see the end of days

  • @RealWaffles
    @RealWaffles 8 годин тому +2

    eh i don't think the russian thing is a good example. your code of conduct can say whatever it wants, but you still have to obey the law.

    • @jameschalkwig787
      @jameschalkwig787 Годину тому

      You know most NATO break international laws. We nitpick on Russians using our own laws? At least laws have jury. CoC gives you that? And their own explaination has no clear rationale let along using laws...which country laws? France? USA?

  • @nikjs
    @nikjs 5 годин тому

    it was quite important to clarify that the title didn't mean the person was stable.

  • @fontenbleau
    @fontenbleau 6 годин тому

    Thanks for keeping us informed. Certain people occupied Linux project as their own. Many corporations financing it, that's the other problem.

  • @Your_Degenerate
    @Your_Degenerate 2 години тому

    With all the beeping going on it gives the impression that Linux kernel development is a congested intersection while a car is being towed out of the way.

  • @maverick9708
    @maverick9708 4 години тому +2

    2:37
    STABLE kernel maintainer 😭
    reads like the English version of "small potato farmer"
    is the potato small? is the farmer small? is the scale small? 🤣

  • @srobart
    @srobart 7 годин тому +5

    Rules for thee, not for me! The rallying cry of bullies.

  • @mrpocock
    @mrpocock Годину тому +1

    The bcacefs guy refuses to do the minimum to play nice with the Linux development process. Consistently. I'm surprised he hasn't had consequences for actions before now.

  • @cid3384
    @cid3384 2 години тому

    Code of Conduct in a linux kernel development circle is insane. It's like placing a Home Owners Association in a homeless camp site at a local park.

  • @jmssun
    @jmssun 10 годин тому +1

    11:53 Coc: “I Don’t Like What You Did Last Summer”

  • @DerykRobosson
    @DerykRobosson 3 години тому

    They talk about "trust" yet require permission to commit code which is something showing lack of trust.

  • @tngaskell
    @tngaskell 3 години тому +1

    Wait, if they're threatening to ban Overstreet over the Code of Conduct, does that mean he's cleaned up his act enough that they can't ban him for not following the patching process?

  • @Sypaka
    @Sypaka 4 години тому

    "You violated Code of Conduct"
    "Here is $50.000"
    "I didn't say anything."

  • @MaxPowerBSD
    @MaxPowerBSD 31 хвилина тому

    To make their CoC more Orwellian they could add this rule:"All contributors are equals, but some are more equals then others"

  • @motalasuger
    @motalasuger Годину тому +1

    So the conduct is the real problem not his behaviors with the code itself which caused the conduct? The videos by Brodie gave a quite different impression of the guy.
    Not every person is suited to working with others or big projects, I for one know I’m not suited.

  • @harveybc
    @harveybc 5 годин тому +1

    It is amazing that politics and personal feelings have so much influence on something that should be cut and dried ideas based purely on technical issues. I've always said the Linux community is it own worse enemy for taking over the desktop world. I'd never considered this problem in that. Total insanity.

  • @BrianThorne
    @BrianThorne 4 години тому +1

    I've seen when Linus did this Agnes it was for a good reason. The dev didn't want to communicate

  • @TheNoirKamui
    @TheNoirKamui 3 години тому +1

    Yeah, just disband the CoC board. It was never necessary in the past and is not necessary now. It is probably a psyop from bit tech anyway

  • @nickbernstein
    @nickbernstein 10 годин тому +7

    They're going to say that "get your head examined" is disparaging mental illness / disabilities. The problem with this stuff is they stretch it so anything can fit.

    • @WorldsBestCommunist
      @WorldsBestCommunist 9 годин тому +2

      They could, which would be a stretch. Or they could say it's a personal insult and completely unnecessary, which it is.

    • @JodyBruchon
      @JodyBruchon 9 годин тому +1

      They need to get their heads examined.

  • @CRYPTiCEXiLE
    @CRYPTiCEXiLE 9 годин тому +3

    l,inux was booming in the early 2000 i remember it being cool, fun to use and I love it like c razy, I still use linux after 25 + years , but the last 5 yeasr I see it just getting boring and a lot of things are not improving like the desktop are getting more dumb and buggy wayland should be stable and its not, xorg should be out of the linux desktop and idk everything seems like its now slow and not much going on with it.... I say the biggest change in Linux is what Valve is doing.. thank god we have Valve.

  • @crapmalls
    @crapmalls 8 годин тому +1

    Linus must apologise or no code. This will be fun

  • @akam9919
    @akam9919 4 години тому +1

    Can we just point out the moral/ethical/logical insanity of blocking code merges over mere CoC violations/suspicions of violations? Don't get me wrong. I can understand if it is related to having once pushed malicious code, violating formatting rules, spamming, threatening people, etc...but this is ridiculous. It's just code your pushing in, not their belief system.