Pumping Iron's MIA - The Bodybuilders Who Never Made The Cut
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- This Pumping Iron analysis investigates possible reasons why some bodybuilders weren't included in the film along with some hypothetical choices that would have been great to see.
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Big Tony Nowak, the guy laughing, has an interesting story. He passed away a decade or so ago while on vacation in Italy of a heart attack. Arnold mentioned him in his autobiography several times. Basically any jacket that you see Arnold wearing to events and in movies, was designed by Tony. He grew up in Poland and moved to Austria as a young boy, crossing paths with Arnold along the way. I always figured in Pumping Iron, Tony was a very minor person around the gym. Truth is, Arnold and him were very close friends. Went on to become a very successful businessman.
Great story overcome! Thanks so much for sharing it on the page for everyone. I remember reading that he had passed recently. I wonder how Arnold feels seeing his contemporaries slip away one by one. It's a shame that life is so fleeting and that we're all only young for such a short time. Carpe diem brothers.
Tony comes out in the Franco 1981 bodybuilding documentary- he trains with Franco at the world gym in some clips
Oh nice do you have a title for that documentary , Javier?
Wondered what happened to him TY.
Padilla was also screwed by the Weiders in 1974 when Ben promised Mike Katz a spot on the Mr.Universe team that year
As iconic as Pumping Iron was, the missed opportunity of all these legends being left out is an epic travesty!
While I guess they couldn't include everyone, it does make an interesting hypothetical if some of the guys featured at least got a look in for sure.
Danny Padilla was an amazing bodybuilder 💯
Yes I feel he could have got the nod for the ,81 Olympia.
And great ambassador for the sport!
'81 Olympia was as bad as '80!
If you add up the shenanigans of the 1975 and 1981 Mr. Olympia Danny wins the title “most screwed by the IFBB”.
He had one of the most complete physiques of that time. He should have won a lot more than he did.
Danny Padilla had Arnold's body on a 5 foot 2 frame. If you cover Danny's face in any photo it looks like Arnold 1974.
Solid and perfect.
Aesthetically, all of these guys look better than any of the modern day men's open Olympia competitors. Long live the golden era!
Totally agree Boneri. Thanks for commenting
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Mike Mentzer has grown to be a favorite of mine. Another great video.
One of my fave bodybuilders too. Thanks for watching - glad you enjoyed it :-)
Arnold the nazi did him dirty!
Mentzer had a great physique but his posing was strangely bad. Too mechanical, robotic.
@@xavierghazi4939 yea Mike was always an insecure snake!
He had some great poses (the cross, the vacuum) but the difference to the others was not big enough. For everyone who shouts "betrayal" after the 80 just remind: Mike was 5th, not second. So Frank, Boyer and Chris betrayed him, too. Not only Arnold. When he means that he had won, why he wasnt second? I met Mike a few times and reminds him as a quiet and nice man. But that was in 83 and 91, maybe his kind was different in late 70s by roids.@@xavierghazi4939
Mike Mentzer should have definitely been featured in the film. He did so much for the sport and had an amazing build.
Mike was great but the film was a bit before his peak
@@carvedouttastone Indeed! Also I never that so many athletes were sidelined for this documentary.
I think he's actually in the movie. When Arnold enters Gold gym and signs up for membership at the desk, you can see Mike in the background drinking from a soda can. With his moustach.
Yes mentioned that in the vid.
@arasmed He was probably smoking as well. 😅
Pumping Arnold! Frank Zane said that's what the movie should have been called! That is so funny!
Another GREAT video. LOVED it. Yeah my two biggest misses are Frank Zane and Serge Nubret. I really wish they would of agreed to the contracts and done the movie. Would of added a lot. And agreed, it would of been great had Draper been a part of Pumping Iron too
Hey Jordan, glad you liked it. Yeah I actually had to cut this video down because there were some more names I added, but I thought "shit, this could potentially go on forever" so I just left it at that. Just think - Arnold still has all that Zane, Nubret and Danny footage withering away in his vault, begging to see the light of day along with the millions of eyes of curious fans...thanks for watching again!
@@carvedouttastone Shawn, you should of gone longer. I’m ready for part 2
Haha you'll like the video I'm working on next then :-)
@@carvedouttastone You got me then. Just subbed.
Thank you Tempest - I really appreciate the comment and sub
Dude, you make great videos. After you finish covering this era, maybe you could just jump to the next decade of classic bodybuilders through the 80s and 90s..I think a lot of us younger guys know a lot more of the modern era, but love learning more of those who came before. Either way, keep it up man
Thanks Guy, that means a lot and appreciate the kind words. Yes, I plan to do exactly that, but hopefully come at things from a different angle each time instead of the same old boring cut and paste - apply some heroic instrumental music clip and get 1 million views, that so many uploaders do. Im glad to hear the vids are both entertaining and educative. Please subscribe and share to help the channel out if you find some value. Thanks again mate.
I know I am subbing now!
Great video and thanks for posting. It would have been nice to have seen more Frank Zane, who by his own admission, was off peak form in 1975. One point of clarification; Boyer Coe is from Louisiana and not Alabama.
It’s crazy just how much monopoly the Weiders had over bodybuilding and they carried Arnold to where he is today. Sad we never got to see real bodybuilders that would’ve easily defeated Arnold at his prime.
For real. The political wrangling of banning/suspending people for competing in rival federations was such a limiting blow to the sport. These guys were making nothing from bodybuilding, so to gouge them with petty, ridiculous rules was such a detriment to the progression of the sport. Everything is and continues to be about money - but at least the bodybuilders are not so beholden to the federations as much anymore. Thanks for your comment Mugisha
They went with what made the most money. The NFL does the same thing. Movie studios do the same thing. ANY FUCKING BUSINESS THATS SUCCESSFUL DOES THE SAME FUCKING THING!!!! Having said that. Welcome to reality. Everyone else figures this out by 6th grade.
If I'm not mistaken it was Weider that tried to sue Charles Atlas, as well, claiming his physique could only have been built through weight training.
@@edwardwright2989 Such an angry man Eddie, have you had a heart attack yet?
Defeated Arnold, maybe, easily not .
As a bodybuilder, even the most modestly sized MP pretty boy, you are forced to give up the grind and downsize if you are interested in a serious modeling or acting career. This is true *especially* for "handsome guy with muscles who takes his shirt off" roles. I chose to give up my own (very modest) acting "career" about 40 pounds ago (they were mostly teen versions of such roles anyway, since I'm so short lol), but I'm still fascinated over this choice that other MP guys have to make.
I had always assumed that it had started with Arnold, since before him bodybuilders were mostly cast in "bodybuilder" superhumanly-big-monster roles and were doing it at much more modest mass. Now that I've looked into it, I was shocked to be wrong. Not only was Arnold told to downsize to play a *bodybuilder* (!); but as early as 1949 Steve Reeves of all people was told by Cecil B. DeMille to lose lots of that ugly muscle to play *Samson* ! I was shocked!
All this is probably out of the wheelhouse of fitness media (though it probably shouldn't be, since it's been a major part of the historical and practical professional reality of many athletes in our community from the highest level to the masses), but the overall phenomenon of deliberately downsizing in the offseason is fascinating in and of itself. I think in the era of redlined pharmacology it's actually become *less* common, since things have become so competitive. Kevin Levrone is the only modern figure I can think of who ever did so though I may be wrong; what a genetic freak he was! The very idea of doing so seems crazy for someone trying to bring their best body to the stage next season and edge out their competitors. I think the offseason downsizing thing is worth someone's attention as a topic.
Yes, it's amazing how the golden era off-season actually meant "off" - off drugs, off training, off bulking. Bodybuilding was a seasonal activity to these guys. Explains their great health, their fresh looks, full heads of hair (Mike Katz not withstanding). Maybe we're all misguided with this mindset of perpetual dedication to redlining everything like you said. Thanks for commenting
Excellent thoughts! Yes, you can find off-season shots of Arnold between Olympia contests in the 70s where he looked pretty much like a normal guy (albeit with huge biceps and calves!). He knew that the only time it mattered that he looked his best was on the Olympia stage.
Dave Draper or "The blonde bomber" was a great bodybuilder. Had an absolutely incredible back!
Serge nubret was working out towards competing in the Olympia. He looked phenomenal. Weeks before he was informed he was out so he ended the intense workouts. Only to be told weeks later he can compete. It is believed the powers of the IFBB were worried about him actually beating Arnold at the 75 Olympia so intentionally sunk his chances.
Yes they said to Serge he can have the 1976 Olympia if he let Arnold have 75. The IFBB is basically the Mafia of bodybuilding
He wouldn’t have beat Arnold unless the Weider’s let him beat Arnold. There was no worry.
Danny Padilla and Robby Robinson definitely deserved more screen time, Rick Wayne and Roger Callard should've appeared in Pumping Iron as well
Roger Callard appeared in the scene when he , Robby and Ken Waller were throwing around a football.
Robby is in the beginning of the film and in a few scenes in Golds when he poses in front of the mirror and the other big guys, and then you see that he had the best upper body that time, best black BB in 75 no doubt (yes, Oliva had mor mass and Nubret too but Oliva hadnt the perfection and Nubret not the good Back and V shape). Robby was betrayed later at the Mr. O.@@odessafile75
Dave Draper was ,of course, the face of Weider before Arnold, though he disliked competing . I was always a Casey Viator fan as well.
Casey was amazing. Prob will do a video on him at some point. Some funny stories about him
Draper was good, yes, but he was a Face/Boy/BB from "past times", 60s. More Steve Reeves that Arnold. And: Whats going on here, everyone talks about Draper, Zane, Tinnerino, Coe blabla...you all forget the first real modern Bodybuilder with a Body for the eternity? The man ho push BB from the 50s (Reeves, Park) to the 70s (Arnold, Mentzer)? Whats about Larry Scott?
@@drhkleinert8241 Good point, but wasn't he basically retired after his Olympia wins?
Awesome video man! Knowing the history behind a lot of these politics really paints a picture you don't get from most bodybuilding historians.
Hey Classic physique, thanks for that nice feedback mate. I love sharing some of the things I've learned and passing the stories forward. Glad you're finding some value and really thank you for taking the time to comment.
Zane was right, it should have been titled Pumping Arnold. I prefer Pumping Iron to any Hollywood movie Arnold was in. Arnold's personality, ambition, and manipulation of his peers comes through.
Definitely Sergio Olivia. A clash between him and Arnold would have been absolutely epic. That is one guy who had the potential to beat Arnold in a fair contest.
Sergio was so outspoken and ostentatious in literally every way, he might have stolen the show from Arnold, lol. Thanks for the great comment John
@@carvedouttastone Yes, the Weiders blocking Sergio is a major crime. Sergio may have had the best bodybuilding genetics of all time.
Oliva
Sergio beat Arnold in '69 Olympia. Arnold won the '80 Olympia, coming out of retirement. Mentzer quit competing after this contest. Arguably, several of the contestants, including Mike, who was shredded with size, said the contest was not fair. Arnold was not near his prior competition weight and his legs didn't match his upper body development.
@@jacksaller9385 Arnold did not compete with his prior himself, but with other bodybuilders present that day. A 1974 Arnold would have made the whole line up run home crying to their moms...
Wow! Seeing all these guys who rival or even beat Arnold’s physique really opened my eyes to how the media just wanted Arnold to be the star. Still doesn’t take away his efforts offcourse but I’m really glad to have learnt all this. Thank you for the info
Edit: as an aside too: I’ve love to see you tackle some older generation bodybuilders too, such as Larry Scott and Vince Gironda
Hey Carpe. Yes I will dip back into the silver era sometime, particularly Vince. Check out Marc Martinez's new doco reviewed in my Dream Big video if you want to see some good coverage of that era also. Thanks for commenting mate
I heard an earlier Olympia contest with Sergio vs Arnold and Sergio was going to win. Joe Weider thought he would sell more magazines with Arnold on the cover and changed the winner to Arnold
Yes, Joe stated that "black guys on covers don't sell magazines". Arnold was his Aryan, great white hope
In fact Sergio was a giant, yes, but he had weak definition, bad calves, no cuts and a normal posing. Arnold was more perfect.
Bodybuilder Mike mentzer one of the most under-appreciated! First bodybuilder to ever have a perfect score!
Agreed - Mike Mentzer was one of my favourite bodybuilders of all time too. Thanks for commenting Frank!
I loved Mentzers physique and was lucky enough to see him in the early 80s at a seminar. Biggest forearms I've ever seen. But he didn’t deserve a perfect score.
Damn this was really informative! Loved the movie, but I always wonder why Frank Zane was not it you could see Zane in the background. Ric DrasiN wrestler/actor/bodybuilder wasn't even in a cameo at gold's Venice.
Sometimes I try to figure out in my mind how the movie would have changed if certain bodybuilders had more narrative attached to their characters. The movie is pretty perfect, so it's hard to add to perfection, but the possibilities are likewise infinite. Thanks for a great comment Gary
Frank Zane just didn't have enough beef.
Maybe, but he did have a level of mass with class. What I respect about Frank is he ran his own race, played his own game and didn't bow to the pressure of needing to upsize the look he felt represented his own version of the art of Bodybuilding. It may not have been to everyone's taste, but he maintained his own distinct look without bowing to industry trends
Robby Robinson!
Wow! Thank you for sharing the video and bringing light to all those great champions that were left in the shadows, it got me reminiscing about the 70s. I lived in a small town in Central California then, where no one knew about bodybuilding. On Saturdays driving to Santa Monica to work out side-by-side with several Those great champions. When Joe owned Thee only Gold’s Gym. Good times
Hey Allen. Thanks for such a great comment and sharing your story about your experiences from that era. Reading people's comments of the time really paints a picture in my mind and gives me a buzz that someone saw history unfolding from a different angle.
It's a shame Arnold lost that weight for Stay Hungry, it would have been great to see him on stage looking like his 74 version or even better. Meanwhile Nubret was too much of a threat, was therefore disqualified only to be reinstated after he'd visibly lost some weight and some of his conditioning. As for Padilla, well he then went on to become the uncrowned 1981 Mr Olympia!
Amen about Padilla.
What amazes me is that Arnold still recovered the weight along with condition in time to still look pretty damn good. But yeah, a 1974 Arnold in the movie would have looked great - but also maybe a little too intimidating for audiences of the time. 75 struck that perfect mainstream look that garnered the requisite public acceptance
@@carvedouttastone If you watch Stay Hungry, you can see him growing as the film progresses which culminated with the BB show. So although he slimmed down to 210lbs for the start of filming, by the end of the movie he does look heavier. It was his legs in both 75 + 80 which were slow to respond to the return to competition training.
@@twds01 very good points mate. Agreed!
That weight loss story is a crock. Nubret with his high lats from the front, asymmetrical waste from the front (hence the ubiquitous side profile photos), thighs too weak for his upper body (even by 70's standards) and calves to weak for his thighs. He wasn't a serious threat.
The more I learn if the IFBB the more I realize it was ran by a den of rats.
Like Dennis Tinerino said - bodybuilding federations are "worse than the underworld!".
Seriously though, how many careers were broken and destroyed by the IFBB?
How much money has money has been made off the men and women who have sacrificed and sometimes died for the IFBB, only to be rewarded a pittance in return.
The athletes needed to unionise years ago; the problem with bodybuilders is their largely individualistic, zero sum mentality. Thanks for the comment Up2me.
And undoubtedly still is
Outstanding work , thank you !
The Matt Ferrigno story is worth a look … “ Arnold … I wouldn’t turn my back on you in 500yards “ … he saw through him a mile away ;)
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Haha exactly! Check out my short with Matty Ferrigno's gamechanging advices to Lou. Matty had that cop's intuition about Arnold, but according to Lou, Matty had a kind of man-crush on Arnold also; enamoured with him to the point that Lui felt his dad would rather Arnold as his son than him. Thanks so much for the sub. Hope you continue to enjoy the content I put out
@@carvedouttastone Absolutely spot on !!
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Lou’s father never really trained him. That stuff was made for the movie. I believe Matt Ferrigno sued Gains and Butler for the “dinner table” scene since they never got a release from Lou ‘s mom.
In 1975 Lou was miles away from being as good as Arnold. He places 3rd in the heavier class. Last place. When you look at Lou in 1992, Arnold wouldn't have stood a chance.
I think Arnold,,was the poster boy for all Bodybuilding in that era,,,he was on television,in movies... ultimately the Promotion of Bodybuilding as a legit Sport,,and really he has that mantle,it cannot be denied he is the Grandfather...to what is present today.
Danny Padilla my be the best proportioned bodybuilder in this video. Beast.
Goal physique indeed.
There are over 100 hours of outtakes from PUMPING IRON. Some of these have been released but if you strung them all together they run maybe 20 minutes. That leaves a lot of classic footage from legendary bodybuilders in the actual Golden Era. It blows my mind what might actually be on there. I believe ARNOLD owns the rights I wish he would just release it all. Do you have any thoughts on this matter?
I mentioned it briefly in the Truth video, and I was talking about that in some of the threads on previous videos. But yes, it pains me that he won't release that footage.
He's had all the "bad bits" taken out and burned a few years ago - scenes that were incriminating to his image were removed by his legal team- so I really don't see what his problem is, considering that:
1) millions of gym rats and iron historians would LOVE to see the other bodybuilder plot lines and footage - all that footage of Serge, Zane and Padilla locked away and rotting
2) there's so much training footage in those reels
3) it would rehabilitate his dying legacy because a Pumping Iron resurgence would wash away the stains of his recent image problem among his fan base.
I'll talk about this more in the next vid, but man, I'd love to see that footage.
@@carvedouttastone 100% AGREED. A perfect summarization of the situation. I have searched the ends of the bodybuilding internet universe for those lost treasures. My journey has brought me here to your channel where I find more information. Another piece of the puzzle. Thank you 🙏
Fun fact: There are hundreds of hours not used material but while filming the producers nearly goes bankrupt bec the budget was out...The actor from Harold and Maude was filmed but whe he heard that his scenes wont use he said "OK, you dont have to pay me, so use my salary for to film on".
Robby and Padilla should have been substituted for Katz and Waller. The 1st 2 physiques were ight years ahead of the latter 2.
Esp Waller is so overrated.
Waller and Katz were both overrated. Katz especially, was very out of proportion.
@David-lx4yb
I was watching some footage of the '81 Olympia today, and was asking myself how Waller ever got a pro card. He had not a single good bodypart.
Looks like Padilla was competition for Franco...but isn't that the whole idea? a competition?...The weilders have made a hell of a lot of money over drug soaked competitions..yes its drug soaked otherwise they wouldn't have testing would they...and so many people have also died because it's not been a natural show since the 1950,s at least,.....steroids and performance enhancers weren't illegal then. Great video though, thanks.
Agreed with those sentiments Dawn. Competition was a vehicle for the weiders to market their stars. The stars were the vehicle to market their products. The magazines were a catalogue to promote both. It was one big circle aimed at exploitation of the athletes and the public and has never stopped including today's era
When Bodybuilders looked like Bodybuilders...not like waterfilled balloons with big bellys, tongue out while posing and looking like stars from a freak show. Pro BB died with Yates.
Yates looks downright aesthetic in his early Olympia wins, but the decline aligned with the judging and fan demands for hypermusuclar physiques - ie freaks. It's been a downward spiral since
Pumping Iron was a movie full of phoniness considering the Arnold versus Lou Ferrigno story line. Enter Serge Nubret who takes 2nd place and Lou 3rd not 1st or 2nd as the story had hoped.
I think someone forgot to tell you that you needed to diet to compete in a Bodybuilding contest. As Arnold said to them at the breakfast table that morning "he isn't even in shape yet they should have it in a month for him" 😂
This was awesome!! Lots of little details we never knew before! Very well done 👏
Appreciate the comment, thanks for watching :-)
Wow never knew Padilla got screwed over like that! Great content!
It gets worse in the case of Danny which I'll cover in an upcoming vid. That's for watching and commenting Herbinator
@@carvedouttastone I'm looking forward to your follow-up video. Padilla is the uncrowned 1981 Mr. O in my book.... he blew away "Franco the bat." "He can fly, man. " 😂
Great piece Brother!
Loved hearing some little known facts about all the other competitors!
So tired of hearing the same things in EVERY video about ALL bodybuilders. It is so old hearing about the sets, reps, meals, and drugs.
Well done!
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So appreciative of that comment 007. Trying to put a different spin on things while being entertaining and informative at the same time. Glad you found some value and really happy for that kind feedback. Thanks again!
@@carvedouttastone Cheers brother! Subscribed!
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For those who blames that Arnold is the big one in this film (blabla Politics bla, thisone or thatone isbetterbla): Arnold was the Titan between 69 and 75, with many Mr Universe and Mr Olympia titles. Arnold was the top Star in the original book Pumping Iron (72) for the Mr O and Corney for the Universe (and Katz). Arnold was in 75 the most known BB in the US and nearly a household name, he was in many TV shows, Newspapers outside BB Mags and had a few cameos in TV and Movies. So when you want to make a Docu about BB in 75 for people outside the barbell world you take the BB with the name most people knows. Arnold was EVER looking for the limelight and Press, and in fact: In 75 or 79 EVERYBODY knows the Name Arnold Schwarzenegger (Hes the Muscleman, right?) but nobody outside the BB Mags knowed Sergio, Frank Zane or somebody else.
Al Beckles should have maybe had a bigger part also
Hey John. Yeah, I was almost gonna cover Beckles because he even beat Zane and had an interesting backstory and outstanding career. Thanks for commenting 😊
@@carvedouttastone great video, great work sir
I had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing Serge just before his death.
He mentioned that the pay he was offered for Pumping Iron had been an insult as he was already a TV star in France. He said he would have done it for free if they hadn't Insulted him with such a low offer. As a result he withdrew his permission for the footage they filmed.
Shame as it would have been very interesting to have seen him featured in it.
That's a great story to add Maximimum. Thanks for sharing. Do you have a copy of the interview anywhere to read or watch?
@Carved Outta Stone it was in a copy of bodyfitness back in 2008. I may have a copy somewhere in the loft. Sadly I didn't video it.
He ended up in hospital and passed away not long after. There were rumours that there had been foul play but that could have been unfair and unfounded speculation.
Serge Nubret wanted the European distribution rights to the movie which Butler wasn't going to give him.
I've read that somewhere else. Thanks for reminding me. He was my favourite physique of all time. Those deltoid, lats and pec shape were sheer aesthetics.
The more I hear about wieder and swartzinniger I more I dislike them.
Psychopaths of a feather, definitely flock together it seems. Thanks for commenting Stefano
Bodybuilding has been corrupt since it’s beginning it’s no more than a pageant. The money men run it and whoever serves them more will place. Good video put together well.
Padilla was late for the bus . Nubret was doing porn . Draper was on the white tenierro was pimpin'. And Zane was busy keeping Christine away from the other BB''S . Edit- none of what I just wrote is founded and only rumors. Lol
Arnold was overinflated by weider. This guy was all about money. There where other bodybuilders far more genetically gifted than Arnold. They weren't as marketable I guess. Arnold was their golden ticket to commercialized and bring this way of life out of the comic book pages.
Danny Padilla is from my hometown.....Great personality, friendly, and would talk to any of us in the gym here. To say he was robbed is an understatement! The ugly politics of bodybuilding where money talks and real champions walk!
In 81 or 82 he had to win.
@@drhkleinert8241definitely. And probably more.
I remember Boyer Coe from the magazines. He was a beast.
He kept it going - I love the lifer guys who maintain the love for many decades. The iron's in their veins and soul
Arnold was pretty damn good in 73-74. But Sergio Oliva was overall the best bodybuilder of the 60-70 era.
Danny Padilla was the best bodybuilder of that era . Most complete . They feared and avoided him . His short statue kept him from winning. Politics.
Yup, politics BIG TIME ! Zane was right, should have been called "Pumping Arnold" !
Weirder wanted no one to outshine Arnold. There where many bodybuilders of that era who’s physique was a good as Arnold’s and better than his.
Arnold was indeed the Weider cash cow. Joe knew which side his bread was buttered.
Many who were better , who ?
Oliva was the only serious rival, and of course they kept him out
No one ever better than Arnold Schwarzenegger 1974.
The front double biceps of Boyer Coe @ 9:52 is simply amazing!
Boyer Coe is NOT from Alabama. He is from Rayne, Louisiana.
Correct. His first teen contest was in Alabama with the LARGER point of the video being, that he would have moved in the same circles as Charles Gaines who hailed from the same region.
I forgot how phenomenal Boyer Coe was....
Great bodybuilder, and a really great guy. Was a bit underrated and underappreciated in my opinion
I find it odd that people refer to various BB's as an "uncrowned" Mr. Olympia, i.e., Coe, Platz, Padilla, Mentzer, etc. In reality, there's no such thing as an "uncrowned" champion. You're either Mr. Olympia or you're not. Period.
You're taking it too literal. "Uncrowned" refers to the public or popular sentiment that the rightful winning physique missed their due thanks to politics,.bad judging or any combination of both. The history of Bodybuilding is littered with examples
This was a very interesting and informative video. I actually had thought that the reason Arnold was smaller between 1974 and 1975 was because of the filming for “Stay Hungry” where the director didn’t want him to be so huge.
Yes that's correct. I mentioned it in the previous vid in the series
Thanks, very interesting. Some sports ... bodybuilding, gymnastics, figure skating, because they include subjective "measures" involving esthetics, lend themselves to corruption. It's very disheartening to learn what happened to Oliva, Nubret, Padilla, Zane, and Robinson, anyone of whom could have won.
The Problem isT Every fan pushes his fav and oversee his weak points. And 99,99 % of all fans never saw their idols in competition on stage, only on film and pics. An example: You see Nubret or Robby, or Roy Callender and scream wow he must be the winner! But in fact you see the calves of Roy, Sergio or Robby for judge with Mike Mentzers or other and you see the difference. Or see the difference between Padillas Chest and Franco (in his prime). See the dream posing of Corney and the bad posing of Ferrigno (that time) and you see that Lou's BIG Mass cant beat Ed's movements. But yes, sometimes its open to see betrayal and politics, 81 and 82 not the best one won, and Arnold got Mr.O without any other comeptitor that day. In a real and good field of competitors you have a few nearly same good guys and the the difference is by minimalistic things.
Robby shoulda got more screen time
Another guy that TOTALLY got screwed in his career. Working in Weider's warehouse while the other guys got the perks. Thanks for commenting Moise.
Even Waller admitted the "only guy i'm afraid of is Robby" when they were throwing that football around. Mike Katz was too unproportional.
@@martinblack781Excellent point
It's all Goofball Politics... but they had the Sardinian sidekick who carried bags....
And lifted cars
I'm muscular, I'm symmetrical, I'm tan, I drink protein milkshakes on the beach, and yet throngs of women don't gather around me.
Well, maybe if you flexed your personality a little more, the ladies would come flocking 😂
Only in the magazines my friend...Only in the magazines
They prolly think youre gay? You get much attention from the guys?
Mike Mentzer should have beaten Armold
I like the story about Lou ferrigno,, called King of the beach at Venice Beach 🏖️🦾📰 The incredible hulk episode 🧡
Hey swami I've never seen that one. I'll check it out - thanks for letting me know 😃
Serge Nubret was disqualified because he performed in a porn movie.
Danny Padilla sometimes claimed to be
Puertorican, sometimes Spaniard, sometimes Portugese .
He wasn't in a porn movie. Where is the footage of this so called porn movie. Ben Weider made it up so that he could kick Nubret out of the contest as well as his seat of power at the IFBB table as vice president
No, Padilla clearly stated his mother was Puerto Rican and father was from Spain. He never claimed Portuguese descent but as he was screwed out of competing for USA and Portugal didn't have an entrant for the short class the funny rationalization that Padilla presented to Oscar State was that his father would have had to pass through Portugal from Spain to reach the U.S.
Hilarious story from Danny right? 😂
To much lying and cheating, in this sport, besides most of these guys were sleeping with the judges any ways to win.
It's definitely been a game of deception since day one sadly. Follow the smell of money . Thanks for commenting
Bodybuilding is a dirty, dirty “sport”!
To jave put all these amazing bodybuilders in pumping iron and to give them the same.attention as lou, Arnold and Katz, would of meant that the movie would jave run foe another 100 minutes. I personally would have loved this but they needed to sell this to the general public so having a 2 and a half 3 hour movie about bodybuilders may have scared away many potential viewers.
Agreed and I made that exact point at the beginning; it's more of a hypothetical, what if analysis, including some backstory of people who were definitely shut out of the production despite having hours of filming behind them. I personally think the Katz Waller sidestory a little weak - and could have been replaced with many other alternative character arcs or narratives
man they treated Danny like crap =( i never knew all that
It gets worse. His whole career with the ifbb was practically one big fk over. Thanks for commenting Robert 😊
Wow, how could Nubret turn down 200 bucks. BIG money...........................
I know right...such a flattering offer to the then ifbb vice president and french movie star compared to the then, Arnold the nobody. Serge was within rights to tell them to get Fked.
Arnold is cabal so of course he wins
I loved Dave Draper. Great Guy.
Great insight...thank you.
I've read in a few places that the whole Lou and his dad scenes are completely contrived. That his dad had a pretty distant relationship Lou. He never trained/mentored him and Lou didn't train in some small, insignificant gym in NY. It was all made up as a counterpoint to Arnold's confident persona and California lifestyle.
This appears to be not a documentary but rather a film/drama with the Olympia as merely a backdrop.
This is not taking anything away from Arnold as a bodybuilder who is the GOAT for me
I've mentioned the father relationship with lou's backstory in my daddy issues vid
@@carvedouttastone I'll check it out 👍
Why would a director want a Downsized bodybuilder?
A bit too intimidating for the "thin is in" moving going normies of the 70s if a 1974 brick shithouse Arnold appeared on stage in all his muscular veiny glory
My dad used to tell me They cut him out pumping iron because he made arnie look small and less shredded. I believed him for years until I realised he’d have been about 10 years old at the time .
lol
Bill Grant, Danny Padilla, Sergio, and Arnold workout partner Ric Drasin.
Shame about Ric. He made his own video about why he didn't want to participate, so I left his inclusion out since he can tell it better in his own, now immortalised words. RIP
Yeah they asked him to be in the film but only to play his guitar which Ric was also a accomplished guitar player. They didnt want to pay him so Ric declined. Ric was geting paid wrestling at the time and would rather do that instead of competing for only a trophy. @@carvedouttastone
Tenerino on the shot was better than Arnold and even the classic physique guys nowadays, damn.
Definitely a beast to be reckoned with. Wish he had more clashes with Arnold back in the day
@@carvedouttastone Nubret for me was better in 1975 and imagine he doesn't get denied beforehand to the event
Damn I would have loved to see Dave Draper in Pumping Iron.
Dave was interesting enough to have his own movie/documentary. I think he hated the spotlight though. Kinda shy and introspective soul.
@@carvedouttastone It's a shame, there is hardly any Draper footage of any kind on UA-cam. He's probably my favorite bodybuilder, and he had such a thoughtful introverted mind that would have made for great interviews.
I still have hopes someone will dig up some kind of video or audio interview. In the mean time I'll still enjoy reading his articles.
@@Keranu have you checked out the seminar he did with Bill Pearl? gmvbodybuilding.com/bodybuilding-videos/male-bodybuilders/male-bodybuilding-dvd/bill-pearl-dave-draper-seminar-dvd/?v=6cc98ba2045f
@@carvedouttastone You know I thought I had, but now that I'm looking it up on UA-cam, I've only seen a three minute clip of it before.
I've thought about buying the DVD in the past, now I'm definitely gonna have to pick it up. Thanks for reminding me. I think that's about as many words we'll hear from Dave's mouth on camera lol.
If you recall any interviews from other people talking about Dave I'd be much interested. I once heard Tom Platz briefly poke fun at Dave's shyness.
@@Keranu I'll see what I can dig up 👍💪
I read the title as Pumpkin Iron cause it's orange.
Pumpkin Iron - the Halloween special 🎃👻
The black ones .Except Sergi.
Would have loved to have seen more bill grant, Robby, and Albert Beckles
Robby Robinson, don’t know if he was mentioned
I would've liked to have seen more Robby. I had a arm training session with him back in 2013. Wish I filmed it now or at least took some pics :+/
Larry Scott, Bill Pearl, Steve Reeves, Bertil Fox also missing
I had scott, pearl and Reeves in my extended analysis. Maybe a bit before Bertil's time tho. Loved Foxy - would like to see an interview now he's out of prison too.
Too late for the first three, too early for the Fox .
Pumping Iron was all about Arnold. Others were just extras. The 1975 Mr. Olympia was decided in 1974 before filming had even begun.
Bill Grant should have been in the film.
He pooped up here and there but more Grant would've been cool for sure.
Robbie Robinson
Dave draper
Surge nubret looked awesome
Undeniably so
Your channel continues to impress. Thank you!
I really thank you for returning and giving my content a chance. Truly appreciate the feedback too Max.
The movie was made on a soestring budget, so THAT'S aconsideration. Bodybuilding was considered a freakish sideshow at the time. All tht being said, Serge Nubret and Frank Zane were superior to Arnold at the time....
The "Little Guy" that Arnold gives posing advice to and his friend had an interesting story that @NicksStrengthandPower covers.
There's an even better in depth interview from the Little Guy himself if you search for Tom Purvis' UA-cam channel. Thanks for commenting Rang123
@@carvedouttastone Awesome Thanks! I'll check it out.
No worries. You'll love it, it's a great interview
@@carvedouttastone Wow! that was a great interview. Thanks again for the suggestion.
You're welcome mate. :-)
I pray for 100 years of life with proper security of mine as well as my father's and mother's property with continuation of job till sixty years of age. My future is destroyed here by evil witchcraft. So I pray God for a bright future.
Just say "Joe" that say sum up who/what/where & WHY the choices were made. Brother Ben? How much more obvious can it be? And was 'Joe' really a straight shooter in private?
Frank Zane just looks like a regular guy
Gotta keep it between 1:45 & 2:00 without sacrificing continuity, so someone has to pick the winners and losers. To please everyone, I guess they could’ve featured everyone like in a weekly soap opera creating 12 volumes.
I agree that Dave Draper should have been in Pumping Iron
The late Dave Draper was rather shy and introverted. In addition he stopped training at Gold's in the early 70s I believe. By 1975, he no longer was part of the Gold's Gym scene.
Long ago I read that the film crew came to his house, but he was too drunk to meet with them
Oliva and Zane would have been great additions, but would have exposed Arnold and deflated his pump.
I read that Arnold and Joe weider came up with the idea for the sandow trophy.
I guess it goes to show, don't believe everything you read!!
Great video, thank you. Arnold is sitting on 100 hours of bodybuilding gold. After learning he worked hard to distance himself from the cartoon character image of bodybuilders he believes Joe Weider was marketing Arnold wont want his image tampered with so that footage may well not exist anymore.
Hey SirGregg thanks for watching and leaving a comment. Some of the footage shows up in Arnold's new Netflix documentary in the first and second episodes. Was an absolute treat to see and wish he would release more.
All because of bodybuilding mafia-boss Weider pulling the strings..
Kal Skalak looked way better than Arny. But Weirder felt he could make more moolah with Uncle Arny
Another good one. Quantity not impacting quality
Thanks for that feedback Aryeh. I'll keep trying to maintain the quality with every vid, even though I feel my skills still need a lot of improvement in the production/technical area.